OT: Coronavirus

I know we all have different perspectives on CNN and MSM. That aside, there's a lesson here...
We're someday going to be on the other side of the slope peak. The policies put into place then will determine how well we do or don't control additional outbreaks. I think we're going to see policies in place for the entire calendar year. 
We're going to need to have enough test, tracing and isolating capability in place to address everyone - even the asymmetricals. :)
I dont mean that to sound dire, but I do think it will be our reality - and the worlds reality
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Hong Kong (CNN)   Only a week ago, Hong Kong seemed like a model for how to contain the novel coronavirus, with a relatively small number of cases despite months of being on the front lines of the outbreak. 
That was in large part thanks to action taken early on, while cases were spreading across mainland China, to implement measures that are now familiar throughout the world: virus mapping, social distancing, intensive hand-washing, and wearing masks and other protective clothing. 

Hong Kong was proof that these measures worked, with the city of 7.5 million only reporting some 150 cases at the start of March, even as the number of infections spiked in other East Asian territories like South Korea and Japan, and spread rapidly across Europe and North America. 

Now, however, Hong Kong is providing a very different object lesson -- what happens when you let your guard down too soon. The number of confirmed cases has almost doubled in the past week, with many imported from overseas, as Hong Kong residents who had left -- either to work or study abroad, or to seek safety when the city seemed destined for a major outbreak earlier this year -- return, bringing the virus back with them. 

Yeah, Trump is hinting he wants to possibly relax measures in the not too distant future. Big mistake.

@"purplefaithful" said:

I know we all have different perspectives on CNN and MSM. That aside, there's a lesson here... We're someday going to be on the other side of the slope peak. The policies put into place then will determine how well we do or don't control additional outbreaks. I think we're going to see policies in place for the entire calendar year.  We're going to need to have enough test, tracing and isolating capability in place to address everyone - even the asymmetricals. :) I dont mean that to sound dire, but I do think it will be our reality - and the worlds reality ===================== Hong Kong (CNN)   Only a week ago, Hong Kong seemed like a model for how to contain the novel coronavirus, with a relatively small number of cases despite months of being on the front lines of the outbreak.  That was in large part thanks to action taken early on, while cases were spreading across mainland China, to implement measures that are now familiar throughout the world: virus mapping, social distancing, intensive hand-washing, and wearing masks and other protective clothing. 

Hong Kong was proof that these measures worked, with the city of 7.5 million only reporting some 150 cases at the start of March, even as the number of infections spiked in other East Asian territories like South Korea and Japan, and spread rapidly across Europe and North America. 

Now, however, Hong Kong is providing a very different object lesson -- what happens when you let your guard down too soon. The number of confirmed cases has almost doubled in the past week, with many imported from overseas, as Hong Kong residents who had left -- either to work or study abroad, or to seek safety when the city seemed destined for a major outbreak earlier this year -- return, bringing the virus back with them. 

On Monday, Hong Kong Chief Executive Carrie Lam announced that all non-residents would be barred from the territory as of Wednesday, the latest addition to a raft of new measures. 

This is a pattern playing out across parts of Asia -- mainland China, Singapore, Taiwan -- that were among the first to tackle the outbreak. All are now introducing new restrictions as a sudden wave of renewed cases begins to crest. 

Compared to major cities in the West, like London or New York, residents in Hong Kong can sometimes feel as if they're living in the future. Many of the measures enacted in the Asian metropolis back in February are now being rolled out in European and American cities. 

But this latest lesson may be a bitter pill to swallow, as it indicates that quarantines and social distancing must continue well beyond the initial wave of cases, if another round of infections is to be avoided. 

For those just going into lockdown, that could mean they're in for the long haul.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/asia/hong-kong-coronavirus-quarantine-intl-hnk/index.html

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

I know we all have different perspectives on CNN and MSM. That aside, there's a lesson here... We're someday going to be on the other side of the slope peak. The policies put into place then will determine how well we do or don't control additional outbreaks. I think we're going to see policies in place for the entire calendar year.  We're going to need to have enough test, tracing and isolating capability in place to address everyone - even the asymmetricals. :) I dont mean that to sound dire, but I do think it will be our reality - and the worlds reality ===================== Hong Kong (CNN)   Only a week ago, Hong Kong seemed like a model for how to contain the novel coronavirus, with a relatively small number of cases despite months of being on the front lines of the outbreak.  That was in large part thanks to action taken early on, while cases were spreading across mainland China, to implement measures that are now familiar throughout the world: virus mapping, social distancing, intensive hand-washing, and wearing masks and other protective clothing. 

Hong Kong was proof that these measures worked, with the city of 7.5 million only reporting some 150 cases at the start of March, even as the number of infections spiked in other East Asian territories like South Korea and Japan, and spread rapidly across Europe and North America. 

Now, however, Hong Kong is providing a very different object lesson -- what happens when you let your guard down too soon. The number of confirmed cases has almost doubled in the past week, with many imported from overseas, as Hong Kong residents who had left -- either to work or study abroad, or to seek safety when the city seemed destined for a major outbreak earlier this year -- return, bringing the virus back with them. 

On Monday, Hong Kong Chief Executive Carrie Lam announced that all non-residents would be barred from the territory as of Wednesday, the latest addition to a raft of new measures. 

This is a pattern playing out across parts of Asia -- mainland China, Singapore, Taiwan -- that were among the first to tackle the outbreak. All are now introducing new restrictions as a sudden wave of renewed cases begins to crest. 

Compared to major cities in the West, like London or New York, residents in Hong Kong can sometimes feel as if they're living in the future. Many of the measures enacted in the Asian metropolis back in February are now being rolled out in European and American cities. 

But this latest lesson may be a bitter pill to swallow, as it indicates that quarantines and social distancing must continue well beyond the initial wave of cases, if another round of infections is to be avoided. 

For those just going into lockdown, that could mean they're in for the long haul.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/asia/hong-kong-coronavirus-quarantine-intl-hnk/index.html

this is what I have been telling my family,  until there is a immunization we wont really be through this thing as there wont be any offseason from the way it looks.

Take a gander at eBay.  Check out all the toilet paper auctions.

These are the people who are lower than whale poop.  Retailers, in time of emergency like what we're seeing, need to limit purchases from the start.

I am hearing from my MN customers that they are expecting MN to get locked down today after governors news conference at 2pm.  So I guess that means the SD bars just inside our boarders will have a record week since our governor is to insecure to just shut shit down preemptively.... especially non essential shit like bars.

We want to be clear, Senator Paul left the Senate IMMEDIATELY upon learning of his diagnosis. He had zero contact with anyone & went into quarantine. Insinuations such as those below that he went to the gym after learning of his results are just completely false & irresponsible! https://t.co/yqfxydsXBG

— Rand Paul (@RandPaul) March 22, 2020

@"purplefaithful" said: https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1241820090804379654

@purplefaithful I know we all have different perspectives on CNN and MSM. That aside, there's a lesson here...We're someday going to be on the other side of the slope peak. The policies put into place then will determine how well we do or don't control additional outbreaks. I think we're going to see policies in place for the entire calendar year. 
We're going to need to have enough test, tracing and isolating capability in place to address everyone - even the asymmetricals. 
I dont mean that to sound dire, but I do think it will be our reality - and the worlds reality


Just to play devil's advocate, I have to wonder if we won't get to a point where living (and, yes, dying) with corona is just the new normal. We’ll adjust, take precautions, and we’ll ACCEPT the fact that most of us are going to be infected. But 96% to 98% of us will survive, recover and then be immune. 
When we hit that realization--that new normal (a shitty normal to be sure, especially for the elderly)--restaurants will open, borders will open, businesses will open. Infections will increase again, because we won't be over the virus by a long shot, but because of the amount of those immune, and the knowledge of prevention we will then have, the curve will be seen as tolerable, especially considering where we once WERE, and what it will have done to the world's economy by then. 
I don't know if this is 6 weeks from now or 6 months, but at some point, we either have to get back to business or we'll be facing a Depression that will make the 30s look like a bad day on Wall Street. I know this might sound crass and uncaring, but I do believe that economic devastation with the job losses that come with it, the destruction of families and futures, suicides, etc. has the potential to do as much or more damage than a virus that will kill 3% of us could ever do. I don't know...just something I'm thinking. 

@"MaroonBells" said: @purplefaithful I know we all have different perspectives on CNN and MSM. That aside, there's a lesson here...We're someday going to be on the other side of the slope peak. The policies put into place then will determine how well we do or don't control additional outbreaks. I think we're going to see policies in place for the entire calendar year.  We're going to need to have enough test, tracing and isolating capability in place to address everyone - even the asymmetricals.  I dont mean that to sound dire, but I do think it will be our reality - and the worlds reality Just to play devil's advocate, I have to wonder if we won't get to a point where living (and, yes, dying) with corona is just the new normal. We’ll adjust, take precautions, and we’ll ACCEPT the fact that most of us are going to be infected. But 96% to 98% of us will survive, recover and then be immune.  When we hit that realization--that new normal (a shitty normal to be sure, especially for the elderly)--restaurants will open, borders will open, businesses will open. Infections will increase again, because we won't be over the virus by a long shot, but because of the amount of those immune, and the knowledge of prevention we will then have, the curve will be seen as tolerable, especially considering where we once WERE, and what it will have done to the world's economy by then.  I don't know if this is 6 weeks from now or 6 months, but at some point, we either have to get back to business or we'll be facing a Depression that will make the 30s look like a bad day on Wall Street. I know this might sound crass and uncaring, but I do believe that economic devastation with the job losses that come with it, the destruction of families and futures, suicides, etc. has the potential to do as much or more damage than a virus that will kill 3% of us could ever do. I don't know...just something I'm thinking. 

@"Ralphie" said: Take a gander at eBay.  Check out all the toilet paper auctions.

For example, a 12 roll pack of Charmin with 43 bids = $70.00.

These are the people who are lower than whale poop.  Retailers, in time of emergency like what we're seeing, need to limit purchases from the start.

Who is bidding up to $70 for a 12 pack of toilet paper? I cannot fathom a "regular person" paying that kind of money. I'm kind of wondering who is susceptible to this type of price gouging...

Some kind of organization? $70 is getting into "I have the money and I don't care, I need that now" territory. It looks kinda like the store/shelf toy collector market... expect for something that get's flushed away. 

@"BlackMagic7" said:

@"Ralphie" said: Take a gander at eBay.  Check out all the toilet paper auctions.

For example, a 12 roll pack of Charmin with 43 bids = $70.00.

These are the people who are lower than whale poop.  Retailers, in time of emergency like what we're seeing, need to limit purchases from the start.

Who is bidding up to $70 for a 12 pack of toilet paper? I cannot fathom a "regular person" paying that kind of money. I'm kind of wondering who is susceptible to this type of price gouging...

Some kind of organization? $70 is getting into "I have the money and I don't care, I need that now" territory. It looks kinda like the store/shelf toy collector market... expect for something that get's flushed away. 

@"BlackMagic7" said:

@"Ralphie" said: Take a gander at eBay.  Check out all the toilet paper auctions.

For example, a 12 roll pack of Charmin with 43 bids = $70.00.

These are the people who are lower than whale poop.  Retailers, in time of emergency like what we're seeing, need to limit purchases from the start.

Who is bidding up to $70 for a 12 pack of toilet paper? I cannot fathom a "regular person" paying that kind of money. I'm kind of wondering who is susceptible to this type of price gouging...

Some kind of organization? $70 is getting into "I have the money and I don't care, I need that now" territory. It looks kinda like the store/shelf toy collector market... expect for something that get's flushed away. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: @purplefaithful I know we all have different perspectives on CNN and MSM. That aside, there's a lesson here...We're someday going to be on the other side of the slope peak. The policies put into place then will determine how well we do or don't control additional outbreaks. I think we're going to see policies in place for the entire calendar year.  We're going to need to have enough test, tracing and isolating capability in place to address everyone - even the asymmetricals.  I dont mean that to sound dire, but I do think it will be our reality - and the worlds reality Just to play devil's advocate, I have to wonder if we won't get to a point where living (and, yes, dying) with corona is just the new normal. We’ll adjust, take precautions, and we’ll ACCEPT the fact that most of us are going to be infected. But 96% to 98% of us will survive, recover and then be immune.  When we hit that realization--that new normal (a shitty normal to be sure, especially for the elderly)--restaurants will open, borders will open, businesses will open. Infections will increase again, because we won't be over the virus by a long shot, but because of the amount of those immune, and the knowledge of prevention we will then have, the curve will be seen as tolerable, especially considering where we once WERE, and what it will have done to the world's economy by then.  I don't know if this is 6 weeks from now or 6 months, but at some point, we either have to get back to business or we'll be facing a Depression that will make the 30s look like a bad day on Wall Street. I know this might sound crass and uncaring, but I do believe that economic devastation with the job losses that come with it, the destruction of families and futures, suicides, etc. has the potential to do as much or more damage than a virus that will kill 3% of us could ever do. I don't know...just something I'm thinking. 

I have seen mention of immunity by several posters.  I havent actually seen any documented medical data that suggests that they body develops a long term immunity,  this isnt like the chicken pox where if you get it once you wont get it again from what I've read.  Some doctors are also suggesting that this will likely develop traits like the flu where it will run its course and then mutate into a similar but different strain that can reinfect. 

I am reading that Rand Paul got tested as a precautionary measure as he has some lung issue from a previous thing that makes him cautious and that he wasnt feeling ill prior to getting tested for the virus.  He also pointed out that by normal testing protocol that he still wouldnt have been tested and would still be at work potentially exposing many more people.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/paul-defends-actions-before-coronavirus-diagnosis-the-broader-the-testing-and-the-less-finger-pointing-we-have-the-better/ar-BB11AxZp?li=BBnbcA1

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1241820090804379654

true,  but if he was using the pool and fitness center after being tested (before he got the results)  it is still a horribly selfish decision.   I will say though, was he tested as a precaution,  or was he feeling ill in some way?  if they are testing congress regularly then I can understand him not breaking routine,  but if he wasnt feeling the best and worked out anyway... 

MN's version of Boca...It's too close for comfort on wildly popular Minneapolis park paths"There are so many people out on them that people aren't self social-distancing," a spokeswoman said.
So many people are rushing into Minneapolis’ most popular parks during the coronavirus pandemic that it’s hard for them to give everyone their recommended six-foot separation.
The Minneapolis Park and Recreation Board is now urging people to visit smaller neighborhood parks instead, and will potentially take other measures to keep people spread apart.
The activity on some parks in recent days was reminiscent of what is seen during a busy weekend in July, parks spokeswoman Dawn Sommers said Monday. Many crowded the city’s well-known destinations, she said, including the Chain of Lakes and Minnehaha Regional Park.
“Apparently they’re packed with people on the trails,” she said. “There are so many people out on them that people aren’t self social distancing.”
http://www.startribune.com/it-s-too-close-for-comfort-on-wildly-popular-minneapolis-park-paths/569032772/

Here in Illinois, businesses that have been shut down are donating cleaning supplies, hand sanitizer, facemasks etc. to businesses that have to stay open.
I'm a window clerk in a small post office. All of our necessary cleaning supplies are on back order. I just got a supply of facemasks but can't get disinfecting wipes or latex gloves. A customer just brought me a bottle of hand sanitizer. People don't realize how many people each mail carrier interacts with. My mail carrier touches 405 mail boxes every day that someone else has touched recently. I have elderly customers coming in daily to just hand me a letter because it has to go out today. 
If you've got any latex gloves or extra hand sanitizer laying around, consider donating it to your local post office