HOOOOOLLLLD up... Mond wasn't vaccinated either?!?

@"Waterboy" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"greediron" said:

o don@"Wetlander" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"Bullazin" said:

@"Waterboy" said:

All that any of you has shown is the ability to regurgitate facts that aren't facts.  It's clear you've done little to no research on the virus, but act like experts. You fail to comprehend the admission from Jen Psaki that the government is cracking down via the social media sites to make sure that vaccines are front and center as the only alternatives to dealing with the virus.  Holistic medicines, promising treatments such as Regeneron and Ivermectin, and Diet (Vitamin D, Vitamin C, Iron, Melatonin, and Zinc) are being censored.  MD's who are broadly heard and not toeing the govt message are being removed from Google searches, Facebook, and Twitter.  There has been a concerted effort to make sure only one message is heard, and it flies right on by the dopes on this board trying to act like they somehow "get it".  lol  You can see that once challenged, you all either make up facts or change the subject. 

All of your conspiracy theories notwithstanding, its simple science water.   Im a believer in alternative treatments, but vitamin C doesnt stop polio or your ability to transmit it to someone else.  

Yeah people are pissed that unreasonable people jeopardize the team (society) success

its your choice man, but we all depend on each other if we are goong to have a functional society 

I will repeat what WB said, " You can see that once challenged, you all either make up facts or change the subject. "  

 Gaslighting, straw man, whatever you want to call it, but you just stepped right into that one.

Do you believe in ivermectin?  It has scientific studies showing it works.

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19

Again, if covid is this dangerous, then we should use what we can to save lives.

Agree. If only there were a vaccine meant for humans that has been proven much safer and more effective than the horse drug. 

Please show where it has been proven more safe....  Please show just one study saying that.  And the effective part seems to dwindle every day due to how this virus was built to be more resistant.  But once again, who cares about the facts.  Let's just show some fucking outrage people!   Fucking silence the opposition.  Then we can watch more football.  lol

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"greediron" said:

o don@"Wetlander" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"Bullazin" said:

@"Waterboy" said:

All that any of you has shown is the ability to regurgitate facts that aren't facts.  It's clear you've done little to no research on the virus, but act like experts. You fail to comprehend the admission from Jen Psaki that the government is cracking down via the social media sites to make sure that vaccines are front and center as the only alternatives to dealing with the virus.  Holistic medicines, promising treatments such as Regeneron and Ivermectin, and Diet (Vitamin D, Vitamin C, Iron, Melatonin, and Zinc) are being censored.  MD's who are broadly heard and not toeing the govt message are being removed from Google searches, Facebook, and Twitter.  There has been a concerted effort to make sure only one message is heard, and it flies right on by the dopes on this board trying to act like they somehow "get it".  lol  You can see that once challenged, you all either make up facts or change the subject. 

All of your conspiracy theories notwithstanding, its simple science water.   Im a believer in alternative treatments, but vitamin C doesnt stop polio or your ability to transmit it to someone else.  

Yeah people are pissed that unreasonable people jeopardize the team (society) success

its your choice man, but we all depend on each other if we are goong to have a functional society 

I will repeat what WB said, " You can see that once challenged, you all either make up facts or change the subject. "  

 Gaslighting, straw man, whatever you want to call it, but you just stepped right into that one.

Do you believe in ivermectin?  It has scientific studies showing it works.

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19

Again, if covid is this dangerous, then we should use what we can to save lives.

Agree. If only there were a vaccine meant for humans that has been proven much safer and more effective than the horse drug. 

Ugh, what a mess.

Gov. Asa Hutchinson (R-AR) says he regrets signing law banning local mask mandates, as COVID cases quickly rise in his state.

“In hindsight, I wish that had not become law,” said Hutchinson, who has asked lawmakers to allow school districts to adopt mask mandates. pic.twitter.com/sj1Q8ukLCA

— The Recount (@therecount) August 4, 2021

And this guy responds to him:

1/ PROFOUNDLY DISTURBING clips from a town hall with Arkansas @AsaHutchinson.

Q: What's in the vaccine?

A: Here are full ingredient lists:
Pfizer: https://t.co/ZgpaqcIlzg
Moderna: https://t.co/j5uf4uErLB
J&J: https://t.co/qsjEO8s4gg pic.twitter.com/OR9sSANR7x

— Céline Gounder, MD, ScM, FIDSA 🇺🇦 (@celinegounder) August 4, 2021

Her responses to the videos are great.

2/
Q: "If Mr. Doctor gives me a vial and says 'trust me,' I'll give you a vial, & you trust me."

A: I'm Ms. Doctor.
We study & train for YEARS—to earn that trust & to earn that privilege (a MINIMUM of 11 years after high school). pic.twitter.com/i1tqZBK2LN

— Céline Gounder, MD, ScM, FIDSA 🇺🇦 (@celinegounder) August 4, 2021

@"Waterboy" said:

@"Bullazin" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"Bullazin" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"Bullazin" said:

@"Waterboy" said:

All that any of you has shown is the ability to regurgitate facts that aren't facts.  It's clear you've done little to no research on the virus, but act like experts. You fail to comprehend the admission from Jen Psaki that the government is cracking down via the social media sites to make sure that vaccines are front and center as the only alternatives to dealing with the virus.  Holistic medicines, promising treatments such as Regeneron and Ivermectin, and Diet (Vitamin D, Vitamin C, Iron, Melatonin, and Zinc) are being censored.  MD's who are broadly heard and not toeing the govt message are being removed from Google searches, Facebook, and Twitter.  There has been a concerted effort to make sure only one message is heard, and it flies right on by the dopes on this board trying to act like they somehow "get it".  lol  You can see that once challenged, you all either make up facts or change the subject. 

All of your conspiracy theories notwithstanding, its simple science water.   Im a believer in alternative treatments, but vitamin C doesnt stop polio or your ability to transmit it to someone else.  

Yeah people are pissed that unreasonable people jeopardize the team (society) success

its your choice man, but we all depend on each other if we are goong to have a functional society 

I will repeat what WB said, " You can see that once challenged, you all either make up facts or change the subject. "  

 Gaslighting, straw man, whatever you want to call it, but you just stepped right into that one.

Do you believe in ivermectin?  It has scientific studies showing it works.

Another fantasy Greed. Vitamin C does not stop Polio. If you believe it does, there will be no convincing you. 

Ive never tried to gaslight anyone. Its sad you ignore science and promote nutty conspiracy theories and serial liars.

I cant see how you all cant see this is ripping our countries heart out 

Gaslighting.  Who said anything about polio?

Lol, ok so invermectin?  Never heard of it.  When the FDA/CDC my doctor tells me to take it I will look closely and lean hard to their oponion and the SCIENCE  

 Anti government carpetbagger conspiracy theorist tells me to take it? Doubtful.  

All this really seems to be just anti government propoganda. Without government and a reasonably collective mindset, its every man/ woman for themselves. Can we really keep our deeply flawed but great nation that way? 

Since I can't understand one thing you're saying, I find it hard to argue with your logic, or lack thereof.

@"Waterboy" said:

@"Bullazin" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"Bullazin" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"Bullazin" said:

@"Waterboy" said:

All that any of you has shown is the ability to regurgitate facts that aren't facts.  It's clear you've done little to no research on the virus, but act like experts. You fail to comprehend the admission from Jen Psaki that the government is cracking down via the social media sites to make sure that vaccines are front and center as the only alternatives to dealing with the virus.  Holistic medicines, promising treatments such as Regeneron and Ivermectin, and Diet (Vitamin D, Vitamin C, Iron, Melatonin, and Zinc) are being censored.  MD's who are broadly heard and not toeing the govt message are being removed from Google searches, Facebook, and Twitter.  There has been a concerted effort to make sure only one message is heard, and it flies right on by the dopes on this board trying to act like they somehow "get it".  lol  You can see that once challenged, you all either make up facts or change the subject. 

All of your conspiracy theories notwithstanding, its simple science water.   Im a believer in alternative treatments, but vitamin C doesnt stop polio or your ability to transmit it to someone else.  

Yeah people are pissed that unreasonable people jeopardize the team (society) success

its your choice man, but we all depend on each other if we are goong to have a functional society 

I will repeat what WB said, " You can see that once challenged, you all either make up facts or change the subject. "  

 Gaslighting, straw man, whatever you want to call it, but you just stepped right into that one.

Do you believe in ivermectin?  It has scientific studies showing it works.

Another fantasy Greed. Vitamin C does not stop Polio. If you believe it does, there will be no convincing you. 

Ive never tried to gaslight anyone. Its sad you ignore science and promote nutty conspiracy theories and serial liars.

I cant see how you all cant see this is ripping our countries heart out 

Gaslighting.  Who said anything about polio?

Lol, ok so invermectin?  Never heard of it.  When the FDA/CDC my doctor tells me to take it I will look closely and lean hard to their oponion and the SCIENCE  

 Anti government carpetbagger conspiracy theorist tells me to take it? Doubtful.  

All this really seems to be just anti government propoganda. Without government and a reasonably collective mindset, its every man/ woman for themselves. Can we really keep our deeply flawed but great nation that way? 

Since I can't understand one thing you're saying, I find it hard to argue with your logic, or lack thereof.

@"greediron" said:

@"Waterboy" said:

@"Bullazin" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"Bullazin" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"Bullazin" said:

@"Waterboy" said:

All that any of you has shown is the ability to regurgitate facts that aren't facts.  It's clear you've done little to no research on the virus, but act like experts. You fail to comprehend the admission from Jen Psaki that the government is cracking down via the social media sites to make sure that vaccines are front and center as the only alternatives to dealing with the virus.  Holistic medicines, promising treatments such as Regeneron and Ivermectin, and Diet (Vitamin D, Vitamin C, Iron, Melatonin, and Zinc) are being censored.  MD's who are broadly heard and not toeing the govt message are being removed from Google searches, Facebook, and Twitter.  There has been a concerted effort to make sure only one message is heard, and it flies right on by the dopes on this board trying to act like they somehow "get it".  lol  You can see that once challenged, you all either make up facts or change the subject. 

All of your conspiracy theories notwithstanding, its simple science water.   Im a believer in alternative treatments, but vitamin C doesnt stop polio or your ability to transmit it to someone else.  

Yeah people are pissed that unreasonable people jeopardize the team (society) success

its your choice man, but we all depend on each other if we are goong to have a functional society 

I will repeat what WB said, " You can see that once challenged, you all either make up facts or change the subject. "  

 Gaslighting, straw man, whatever you want to call it, but you just stepped right into that one.

Do you believe in ivermectin?  It has scientific studies showing it works.

Another fantasy Greed. Vitamin C does not stop Polio. If you believe it does, there will be no convincing you. 

Ive never tried to gaslight anyone. Its sad you ignore science and promote nutty conspiracy theories and serial liars.

I cant see how you all cant see this is ripping our countries heart out 

Gaslighting.  Who said anything about polio?

Lol, ok so invermectin?  Never heard of it.  When the FDA/CDC my doctor tells me to take it I will look closely and lean hard to their oponion and the SCIENCE  

 Anti government carpetbagger conspiracy theorist tells me to take it? Doubtful.  

All this really seems to be just anti government propoganda. Without government and a reasonably collective mindset, its every man/ woman for themselves. Can we really keep our deeply flawed but great nation that way? 

Since I can't understand one thing you're saying, I find it hard to argue with your logic, or lack thereof.

he is just a fantasy, no reality, a landslide of garbage posting.

@"Bullazin" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"Waterboy" said:

@"Bullazin" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"Bullazin" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"Bullazin" said:

@"Waterboy" said:

All that any of you has shown is the ability to regurgitate facts that aren't facts.  It's clear you've done little to no research on the virus, but act like experts. You fail to comprehend the admission from Jen Psaki that the government is cracking down via the social media sites to make sure that vaccines are front and center as the only alternatives to dealing with the virus.  Holistic medicines, promising treatments such as Regeneron and Ivermectin, and Diet (Vitamin D, Vitamin C, Iron, Melatonin, and Zinc) are being censored.  MD's who are broadly heard and not toeing the govt message are being removed from Google searches, Facebook, and Twitter.  There has been a concerted effort to make sure only one message is heard, and it flies right on by the dopes on this board trying to act like they somehow "get it".  lol  You can see that once challenged, you all either make up facts or change the subject. 

All of your conspiracy theories notwithstanding, its simple science water.   Im a believer in alternative treatments, but vitamin C doesnt stop polio or your ability to transmit it to someone else.  

Yeah people are pissed that unreasonable people jeopardize the team (society) success

its your choice man, but we all depend on each other if we are goong to have a functional society 

I will repeat what WB said, " You can see that once challenged, you all either make up facts or change the subject. "  

 Gaslighting, straw man, whatever you want to call it, but you just stepped right into that one.

Do you believe in ivermectin?  It has scientific studies showing it works.

Another fantasy Greed. Vitamin C does not stop Polio. If you believe it does, there will be no convincing you. 

Ive never tried to gaslight anyone. Its sad you ignore science and promote nutty conspiracy theories and serial liars.

I cant see how you all cant see this is ripping our countries heart out 

Gaslighting.  Who said anything about polio?

Lol, ok so invermectin?  Never heard of it.  When the FDA/CDC my doctor tells me to take it I will look closely and lean hard to their oponion and the SCIENCE  

 Anti government carpetbagger conspiracy theorist tells me to take it? Doubtful.  

All this really seems to be just anti government propoganda. Without government and a reasonably collective mindset, its every man/ woman for themselves. Can we really keep our deeply flawed but great nation that way? 

Since I can't understand one thing you're saying, I find it hard to argue with your logic, or lack thereof.

he is just a fantasy, no reality, a landslide of garbage posting.

i’ve out debated you on every topic so far over the years, not a terribly heavy lift. What really irks you though is being owned on facts, science,  ethics and religion. Quite the Quadrecta. 

Again your biggest problem is you believe you are above it all, but your thinly veiled narcissism and condescension are not lost on the people that have been here. 

Finally, you cant even engage on a societal or comminity impact. We get it Greed, it always has been and always woll be about you…

ill be waiting to own you on your next topic. btw keep me posted on your heartworm pill regimen. im sure it cures all manner of ills 

@"Nichelle" said: Ugh, what a mess.

It's not a huge surprise that folks are skeptical of information. A healthy skepticism of all information is a good thing.

But what blows my mind is that while they're skeptical of information provided by infectious disease specialists or epidemiologists with mountains of data behind it, they seem so incredibly NOT skeptical of information that comes from strip mall doctor/pastors who believe that STDs are caused by spirit spouses and that government is being run by space aliens.

@"Bullazin" said: ill be waiting to own you on your next topic. btw keep me posted on your heartworm pill regimen. im sure it cures all manner of ills 

Speaking of fantasies.  Keep waiting.  But hey, that cool retort got you a like from Barr and Al.  Well done.  Did you get a sticker for it?

joyfully waiting…

@"Nichelle" said: Ugh, what a mess.

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1422892095648448516?s=20

And this guy responds to him:

https://twitter.com/celinegounder/status/1423002451460907009?s=20

Her responses to the videos are great.

https://twitter.com/celinegounder/status/1423003681717370882?s=20
https://twitter.com/celinegounder/status/1423004820953255938?s=20
https://twitter.com/celinegounder/status/1423005290149122050?s=20
https://twitter.com/celinegounder/status/1423005732484550658?s=20
https://twitter.com/celinegounder/status/1423006368185847809?s=20

So you repeatedly cite the same source over and over to validate your position?  How about looking at the fact that the federal govt is now telling Facebook what they can and cannot have posted on their site.  That the govt. is now fact checking and taking doctors that disagree with their marching orders for the message completely off of social media.  I'm sure that means nothing to you.   There are certainly studies that back up the vaccine.  You will NEVER hear me deny that.  But there are also studies that are much more difficult to find nowadays that say Ivermectin, Hydrochloroquine and other therapeutics have shown great promise and are effective as treatments without the side effects.  There are many studies showing people with very strong Vitamin D levels are NOT catching Covid and are not experiencing hospital stays.  There's a reason you're not seeing those studies, and it's in line with the collusion between the social media giants, main stream media, and the govt in place at this time.   When you line up the list of sexual perverts on CNN and MSNBC that have been caught either lying or omitting news repeatedly just over the last two years, and use them for your info, I'm going to laugh at you.  If you want to tell me that Twitter, Facebook, and Google are impartial, I'm going to laugh at you.  They cannot possibly be trusted, yet Libs think we should blindly follow their marching orders.  Go ahead, I'm not going to.

Then you have people that have no brains spouting off the most crazy things said by the other side, and acting like that's their stance.  Everything I have said has been true and backed up upon request., and more factually than the crowd that's simply parroting each other and slapping themselves on the ass over how funny they are.  lol   I have shown a moderate position and even admitted that were I in a more at risk category, I would consider the vaccine.  Nothing crazy and it's not crazy for professional athletes to feel that way either.  Yet we have the tough guy patrol calling others dumb fucks and trying to act more intelligent than others.   I'd love a few of them to call the players they're labeling as dumb fucks that to their face.  Of course, message board anonymity is one great safety net.  lol

@"Bullazin" said: joyfully waiting…

Not sure there is a person on this board less qualified to use the "own" phrase than you.  Livin rent free in your head.

u wish, waiting….

@"greediron" said:

@"Bullazin" said: joyfully waiting…

Not sure there is a person on this board less qualified to use the "own" phrase than you.  Livin rent free in your head.

First of all, Ivermectin is a human drug that is also used
for animals.  Many drugs used for humans are
also used for animals, because often times they work for both because we’re
similar.  I would assume that human
versions of drugs are more tightly regulated than the animal versions, and you
shouldn’t be guessing dosages.  If you
want Ivermectin, you should be going to a doctor to ensure you’re getting
proper dosages and human grade product. 
Maroonbells attempt to slur Ivermectin, by pretending it’s purely for
animals is ignorant, disingenuous, and counterproductive.

Regarding vaccines vs anti-viral medications:  I think it’s pretty dumb thinking to be setting
this up as a this medicine vs that medicine because you don’t have to pick just
one.  Especially in this situation where
vaccines are only really useful before someone gets Covid19, and other drugs are
being suggested as having benefits both in preventing people from getting Covid19
and after they’ve already got Covid19. 
In this time period, people should be being offered multiple things they
can do to reduce their risk of Covid.  We
should be exercising, improving our diet, losing weight, ensuring that we have
sufficient Vitamin D and probably other vitamins, avoiding crowded indoor
locations, etc. as preventative measures. 
We should be exploring vaccines as a preventative measure.  We should be exploring other drugs to help
squash Covid19 after you get it.  I don’t
think it makes any logical sense that our nation is hyper-focused on vaccines,
masks, and isolation as the only things to pay attention to.  We need a comprehensive approach.  The plan shouldn’t be take the vaccine and if
you get it, well your SOL.  If you’re not
hearing constant stories about your government trying to find non-vaccine drugs
to help people once they get Covid, you should question how hard they’re
trying.

Regarding the safety of these vaccines vs Ivermectin for
Covid.  Both are experimental usage and
not FDA-approved for Covid.  Ivermectin
is FDA approved for other uses in humans and has a long history of being safe
at approved dosages.  No mRNA vaccines are
FDA approved and have a short history of widespread usage.  The VAERs data which isn’t great but is the
only really comprehensive place for adverse reactions to vaccines shows that these
vaccines are being reported as having harmful effects much more often than previous vaccines.  That said, it’s still a low risk, they’re
just not as safe as the vaccines you’re used to.    
I'm not a doctor.  I just read stuff ... sometimes.

@"medaille" said: First of all, Ivermectin is a human drug that is also used for animals.  Many drugs used for humans are also used for animals, because often times they work for both because we’re similar.  I would assume that human versions of drugs are more tightly regulated than the animal versions, and you shouldn’t be guessing dosages.  If you want Ivermectin, you should be going to a doctor to ensure you’re getting proper dosages and human grade product.  Maroonbells attempt to slur Ivermectin, by pretending it’s purely for animals is ignorant, disingenuous, and counterproductive.

Regarding vaccines vs anti-viral medications:  I think it’s pretty dumb thinking to be setting
this up as a this medicine vs that medicine because you don’t have to pick just
one.  Especially in this situation where
vaccines are only really useful before someone gets Covid19, and other drugs are
being suggested as having benefits both in preventing people from getting Covid19
and after they’ve already got Covid19. 
In this time period, people should be being offered multiple things they
can do to reduce their risk of Covid.  We
should be exercising, improving our diet, losing weight, ensuring that we have
sufficient Vitamin D and probably other vitamins, avoiding crowded indoor
locations, etc. as preventative measures. 
We should be exploring vaccines as a preventative measure.  We should be exploring other drugs to help
squash Covid19 after you get it.  I don’t
think it makes any logical sense that our nation is hyper-focused on vaccines,
masks, and isolation as the only things to pay attention to.  We need a comprehensive approach.  The plan shouldn’t be take the vaccine and if
you get it, well your SOL.  If you’re not
hearing constant stories about your government trying to find non-vaccine drugs
to help people once they get Covid, you should question how hard they’re
trying.

Regarding the safety of these vaccines vs Ivermectin for
Covid.  Both are experimental usage and
not FDA-approved for Covid.  Ivermectin
is FDA approved for other uses in humans and has a long history of being safe
at approved dosages.  No mRNA vaccines are
FDA approved and have a short history of widespread usage.  The VAERs data which isn’t great but is the
only really comprehensive place for adverse reactions to vaccines shows that these
vaccines are being reported as having harmful effects much more often than previous vaccines.  That said, it’s still a low risk, they’re
just not as safe as the vaccines you’re used to.    
I'm not a doctor.  I just read stuff ... sometimes.

i get what you are saying, but you really believe there are major risks issues in the proven effective vaccine and CDC guidelines while alternate therapies are developed?  

Citing ignorance for those that do accept this seems really misguided

@"medaille" said: First of all, Ivermectin is a human drug that is also used for animals.  Many drugs used for humans are also used for animals, because often times they work for both because we’re similar.  I would assume that human versions of drugs are more tightly regulated than the animal versions, and you shouldn’t be guessing dosages.  If you want Ivermectin, you should be going to a doctor to ensure you’re getting proper dosages and human grade product.  Maroonbells attempt to slur Ivermectin, by pretending it’s purely for animals is ignorant, disingenuous, and counterproductive.

Regarding vaccines vs anti-viral medications:  I think it’s pretty dumb thinking to be setting
this up as a this medicine vs that medicine because you don’t have to pick just
one.  Especially in this situation where
vaccines are only really useful before someone gets Covid19, and other drugs are
being suggested as having benefits both in preventing people from getting Covid19
and after they’ve already got Covid19. 
In this time period, people should be being offered multiple things they
can do to reduce their risk of Covid.  We
should be exercising, improving our diet, losing weight, ensuring that we have
sufficient Vitamin D and probably other vitamins, avoiding crowded indoor
locations, etc. as preventative measures. 
We should be exploring vaccines as a preventative measure.  We should be exploring other drugs to help
squash Covid19 after you get it.  I don’t
think it makes any logical sense that our nation is hyper-focused on vaccines,
masks, and isolation as the only things to pay attention to.  We need a comprehensive approach.  The plan shouldn’t be take the vaccine and if
you get it, well your SOL.  If you’re not
hearing constant stories about your government trying to find non-vaccine drugs
to help people once they get Covid, you should question how hard they’re
trying.

Regarding the safety of these vaccines vs Ivermectin for
Covid.  Both are experimental usage and
not FDA-approved for Covid.  Ivermectin
is FDA approved for other uses in humans and has a long history of being safe
at approved dosages.  No mRNA vaccines are
FDA approved and have a short history of widespread usage.  The VAERs data which isn’t great but is the
only really comprehensive place for adverse reactions to vaccines shows that these
vaccines are being reported as having harmful effects much more often than previous vaccines.  That said, it’s still a low risk, they’re
just not as safe as the vaccines you’re used to.    
I'm not a doctor.  I just read stuff ... sometimes.

And you seem to be quite well-informed.....