HOOOOOLLLLD up... Mond wasn't vaccinated either?!?
Saw this buried in the Day 5 thread and everybody apparently missed it:
Correction: Reported Saturday night that Kellen Mond was vaccinated. That is not true. Been told by multiple people he was following protocols for unvaccinated players before testing positive. It's why he was testing in the first place. Unvaxxed tested daily. Sorry to mislead.
— Andrew Krammer (@Andrew_Krammer) August 2, 2021
So 75% of the QB's (Cousins, Mond, Stanley) were unvaccinated. Vikings must have the dumbest QB room in the NFL SMDH. No wonder Zim is blowing fuses.
P.S.: There goes the anti-vaxxers' "But the vaccinated guy tested positive and we jumped on Kirk" argument. Turns out we just had one more idiot than we realized.
Hope the players keep standing up for their rights. The QBs have the Vikings and NFL in a bad spot, they need Cousins and Mond. Let Cousins miss a few games because of the NFL draconian health rules. He gets paid, the NFL suffers.
@"Hawkvike25" said:@"JR44" said:@"StickyBun" said:@"JR44" said: Krammer doesn't seem to be a great source on this and surprisingly there is no one else reporting it, but considering he is from Texas which is leading the way in Covid cases it wouldn't be a shock. I was high on Mond, but if this is true he is just another selfish player who doesn't have the leadership skills to be a QB.How about a 3 way trade with Houston and Denver, Watson to Denver, Cousins to the Texans (he would fit right in) and Teddy comes back to Minny.
I thought you wanted the Vikings to be good?
Here we go, I should have known better, here comes to the Sticky/Barr train! Lol! So for the past year I have had you both blast me about bashing Kirk and defending Teddy. How did you support for Kirk work out for you?! Based on that, I wouldn't be so cocky about your opinions of Teddy! Hilarious!
JR, I hate to say it, but did you watch Teddy last year? He was bad, like should not be a starter bad. Hating on Cousins is fine, but I cant see someone still wanting Teddy to be a starter on their team. He is not going to start for Denver for a reason, and that's not because Drew Lock is that good. I hope I'm wrong as Teddy is a class act, but I just dont see it.
Teddy was a tale of two seasons. First half he was good, even great. 2nd half he was awful. He can still be a starter in this league and likely will be in Denver. It's close though. I'll tell ya one thing, if we can't have Kirk, Teddy would be my next "reasonable" choice. Shame too. A Rodgers trade to Denver would've made it possible.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"Hawkvike25" said:@"JR44" said:@"StickyBun" said:@"JR44" said: Krammer doesn't seem to be a great source on this and surprisingly there is no one else reporting it, but considering he is from Texas which is leading the way in Covid cases it wouldn't be a shock. I was high on Mond, but if this is true he is just another selfish player who doesn't have the leadership skills to be a QB.How about a 3 way trade with Houston and Denver, Watson to Denver, Cousins to the Texans (he would fit right in) and Teddy comes back to Minny.
I thought you wanted the Vikings to be good?
Here we go, I should have known better, here comes to the Sticky/Barr train! Lol! So for the past year I have had you both blast me about bashing Kirk and defending Teddy. How did you support for Kirk work out for you?! Based on that, I wouldn't be so cocky about your opinions of Teddy! Hilarious!
JR, I hate to say it, but did you watch Teddy last year? He was bad, like should not be a starter bad. Hating on Cousins is fine, but I cant see someone still wanting Teddy to be a starter on their team. He is not going to start for Denver for a reason, and that's not because Drew Lock is that good. I hope I'm wrong as Teddy is a class act, but I just dont see it.
Teddy was a tale of two seasons. First half he was good, even great. 2nd half he was awful. He can still be a starter in this league and likely will be in Denver. It's close though. I'll tell ya one thing, if we can't have Kirk, Teddy would be my next "reasonable" choice. Shame too. A Rodgers trade to Denver would've made it possible.
I would tend to agree that the first half of the year he was better. The issue is the injury halted his progression and he is going to be a game manager for the rest of his career. There will be minimal games where he takes over and I cant see him leading a high powered offense. I've posted about my concerns with Mond but I'd rather see that potential over Teddy, but that's just me.
@"Hawkvike25" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"Hawkvike25" said:@"JR44" said:@"StickyBun" said:@"JR44" said: Krammer doesn't seem to be a great source on this and surprisingly there is no one else reporting it, but considering he is from Texas which is leading the way in Covid cases it wouldn't be a shock. I was high on Mond, but if this is true he is just another selfish player who doesn't have the leadership skills to be a QB.How about a 3 way trade with Houston and Denver, Watson to Denver, Cousins to the Texans (he would fit right in) and Teddy comes back to Minny.
I thought you wanted the Vikings to be good?
Here we go, I should have known better, here comes to the Sticky/Barr train! Lol! So for the past year I have had you both blast me about bashing Kirk and defending Teddy. How did you support for Kirk work out for you?! Based on that, I wouldn't be so cocky about your opinions of Teddy! Hilarious!
JR, I hate to say it, but did you watch Teddy last year? He was bad, like should not be a starter bad. Hating on Cousins is fine, but I cant see someone still wanting Teddy to be a starter on their team. He is not going to start for Denver for a reason, and that's not because Drew Lock is that good. I hope I'm wrong as Teddy is a class act, but I just dont see it.
Teddy was a tale of two seasons. First half he was good, even great. 2nd half he was awful. He can still be a starter in this league and likely will be in Denver. It's close though. I'll tell ya one thing, if we can't have Kirk, Teddy would be my next "reasonable" choice. Shame too. A Rodgers trade to Denver would've made it possible.
I would tend to agree that the first half of the year he was better. The issue is the injury halted his progression and he is going to be a game manager for the rest of his career. There will be minimal games where he takes over and I cant see him leading a high powered offense. I've posted about my concerns with Mond but I'd rather see that potential over Teddy, but that's just me.
Mond is nowhere near ready.
#Vikings cornerback Patrick Peterson: "I feel like I’m too important to this team not to get vaccinated, not miss an important game and now we possibly lose that game and that could be the game that we needed to get into the playoffs."
— Will Ragatz (@WillRagatz) August 3, 2021
Full comments from today's @ATCoveredPod: pic.twitter.com/zx3D6mxJV3
“I just don’t understand,” Zimmer told reporters on Monday. “I think we could put this thing to bed if we all . But it is what it is.”
So how will Zimmer feel if he loses Cousins before a key game?
“Probably won’t be happy we lost the game, first, and I probably won’t be happy we could’ve prevented this,” Zimmer said.
He has every reason to be upset, because there’s no good reason not to get vaccinated. There’s every reason for a professional football player to get vaccinated. Players line up out the door for Toradol shots in order to play on Sundays despite proven long-term health risks, but they won’t get a vaccine that keeps them available and that is far safer than Toradol.
Make no mistake about it. Plenty of players who aren’t vaccinated are going to end up being cut. For those who are untouchable, it may not happen this year. However, the moment their skills slip or the cap numbers outweigh their contributions, they’ll get no benefit of the doubt. They’ll get no favors. Because the opted not to do everything they should have done to advance the collective health of the franchise and to ensure maximum availability for the 2021 season.
Kellen Mond isn't vaccinated, despite a report that he is - ProFootballTalk (nbcsports.com)
@"MaroonBells" said:@"Hawkvike25" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"Hawkvike25" said:@"JR44" said:@"StickyBun" said:@"JR44" said: Krammer doesn't seem to be a great source on this and surprisingly there is no one else reporting it, but considering he is from Texas which is leading the way in Covid cases it wouldn't be a shock. I was high on Mond, but if this is true he is just another selfish player who doesn't have the leadership skills to be a QB.How about a 3 way trade with Houston and Denver, Watson to Denver, Cousins to the Texans (he would fit right in) and Teddy comes back to Minny.
I thought you wanted the Vikings to be good?
Here we go, I should have known better, here comes to the Sticky/Barr train! Lol! So for the past year I have had you both blast me about bashing Kirk and defending Teddy. How did you support for Kirk work out for you?! Based on that, I wouldn't be so cocky about your opinions of Teddy! Hilarious!
JR, I hate to say it, but did you watch Teddy last year? He was bad, like should not be a starter bad. Hating on Cousins is fine, but I cant see someone still wanting Teddy to be a starter on their team. He is not going to start for Denver for a reason, and that's not because Drew Lock is that good. I hope I'm wrong as Teddy is a class act, but I just dont see it.
Teddy was a tale of two seasons. First half he was good, even great. 2nd half he was awful. He can still be a starter in this league and likely will be in Denver. It's close though. I'll tell ya one thing, if we can't have Kirk, Teddy would be my next "reasonable" choice. Shame too. A Rodgers trade to Denver would've made it possible.
I would tend to agree that the first half of the year he was better. The issue is the injury halted his progression and he is going to be a game manager for the rest of his career. There will be minimal games where he takes over and I cant see him leading a high powered offense. I've posted about my concerns with Mond but I'd rather see that potential over Teddy, but that's just me.
Mond is nowhere near ready.
That's kind of my point...I dont have a lot of faith in Teddy in this stage of his career. I wish him the best though
@"jargomcfargo" said: Don't be surprised if he gets cut.They aren't cutting Mond, lol.
They should give the players an incentive to get vaccinated. Like maybe a balloon or a lollipop.
I wonder how the Washington Football Team did it. They went from 60% pre-camp to 84% a week later. We were just posting about Ron Rivera's frustration and an ex-NFL player who said that Ron should step away from the game instead of players getting vaccinated.
Maybe once players see that the league is at 90% overall, there will be more willingness to take care of this. Some may never change their stance, but maybe after seeing what happened during the first week of camp, others will.
@"Nichelle" said: I wonder how the Washington Football Team did it. They went from 60% pre-camp to 84% a week later. We were just posting about Ron Rivera's frustration and an ex-NFL player who said that Ron should step away from the game instead of players getting vaccinated.Maybe once players see that the league is at 90% overall, there will be more willingness to take care of this. Some may never change their stance, but maybe after seeing what happened during the first week of camp, others will.
Maybe Zim needs to call Ron. I think some of the WTF players were defending their guy a bit after those comments too. Something has to be done though.
Maybe without kooky Kirk in the players ears all day, some of these guys will realize there is extremely minimal risk in getting the vaccine and major benefits to being able to play football and practice with minimal restrictions.
"I'm not getting vaccinated just because the CDC tells me to - the CDC is part of the government! I'm waiting for full approval from the FDA!"
@"BarrNone55" said:My favorite maga moron talking point:"I'm not getting vaccinated just because the CDC tells me to - the CDC is part of the government! I'm waiting for full approval from the FDA!"
Yep. And a friend just told me about two weeks ago he 'doesn't like being told what to do' and that's why he's not vaccinated.
Riiiiight.
From @gmfb on the Washington Football Team reaching 84 percent vaccination rate, as @ByMikeJones first reported. pic.twitter.com/RFIvXBo91x
— Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) August 4, 2021
From the New York Times:
"Physicians working in Covid hot spots across the nation say that the patients in their hospitals are not like the patients they saw last year. Almost always unvaccinated, the new arrivals tend to be younger, many in their 20s or 30s. And they seem sicker than younger patients were last year, deteriorating more rapidly.
"Doctors have coined a new phrase to describe them: “younger, sicker, quicker.” Many physicians treating them suspect that the Delta variant of the coronavirus, which now accounts for more than 80 percent of new infections nationwide, is playing a role.
Studies done in a handful of other countries suggest that the variant may cause more severe disease, but there is no definitive data showing that the new variant is somehow worse for young adults.
"Some experts believe the shift in patient demographics is strictly a result of lower vaccination rates in this group."
The New York Times has a piece about how the economic implications of such a large percentage of the population that remains unvaccinated, framing the argument this way:
"Getting hospitalized with Covid-19 in the United States typically generates huge bills. Those submitted by Covid patients to the NPR-Kaiser Health News Bill of the Month project include a $17,000 bill for a brief hospital stay in Marietta, Ga. (reduced to about $4,000 for an uninsured patient under a charity-care policy); a $104,000 bill for a 14-day hospitalization in Miami for an uninsured person; possibly hundreds of thousands for a two-week hospital stay — some of it on a ventilator — for a foreign tourist in Hawaii whose travel health insurance contained a pandemic exclusion.
"Even though insurance companies negotiate lower prices and cover much of the cost of care, a more than $1,000 out-of-pocket bill for a deductible — plus more for copays and possibly some out-of-network care — should be a pretty scary incentive" for someone to get vaccinated and avoid such crushing bills."
Now, the piece says, insurers are beginning to cut back on coverage for unvaccinated people:
"In 2020, before there were Covid-19 vaccines, most major private insurers waived patient payments — from coinsurance to deductibles — for Covid treatment. But many, if not most, have allowed that policy to lapse. Aetna, for example, ended that policy on Feb. 28; UnitedHealthcare began rolling back its waivers late last year and discontinued them by the end of March.
"More than 97 percent of hospitalized patients last month were unvaccinated. Though the vaccines will not necessarily prevent you from catching the coronavirus, they are highly effective at ensuring you will have a milder case and are kept out of the hospital.
"For this reason, there’s logic behind insurers’ waiver rollback: Why should patients be kept financially unharmed from what is now a preventable hospitalization, thanks to a vaccine that the government paid for and made available for free?"
The piece goes on:
"The logic behind the policies is that the offenders’ behavior can hurt others and costs society a lot of money. If people decide not to get vaccinated and contract bad cases of Covid, they are not only exposing others in their workplace or neighborhoods; the tens or hundreds of thousands spent on their care could mean higher premiums for others as well in their insurance plans next year. What’s more, outbreaks in low-vaccination regions could help breed more vaccine-resistant variants that affect everyone."
@"BarrNone55" said:My favorite maga moron talking point:"I'm not getting vaccinated just because the CDC tells me to - the CDC is part of the government! I'm waiting for full approval from the FDA!"
Ha! Reminds me of this...
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