OT: Coronavirus
Wow....
I’ve flown in and out of Denver Airport roughly 50 times. I’ve never seen it empty like this.
Yeah, DIA is never that empty. My goodness, this thing has really gotten ahold of people. But I suspect that it's going to make a far bigger dent in the global economy than the global population.
What changes have you made? Personally, I have tickets to fly to San Francisco with my kids to see my brother in a couple of weeks. And, so far anyway, I plan to go. But I have to say I'm a little nervous about it, especially with my kids. Not as much about the virus as how people are panicking about it. A flight yesterday was rerouted to Denver because someone, um...sneezed. And I am narrowing in on some ridiculously priced tickets to Cancun in May. Am I crazy?
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@"JimmyinSD" said:@"BigAl99" said:@"JimmyinSD" said: https://jbhandleyblog.com/home/2020/6/28/secondwaveThis is a very informative read with a positive outlook, filled with facts and charts to support their conclusions. Put together by some very well educated medical professionals. Long but well worth the read.
You realize J.B. Handley is an long time antivaccine activist, right? If you care for more information
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/j-b-handleys-unthinking-persons-guide-to-the-covid-19-pandemic/
Does that make his math and the rest of the information or line of thinking wrong for certain? I dont agree with the anti vaccer movement, but it doesnt mean they are wrong about everything they say does it?
Being anti-vax should make you incredibly skeptical of anything the guy produces opinion wise. And yeah, it might very well mean he's wrong about anything he says. It sure as hell shouldn't make you give the benefit of the doubt so readily at the very least. Its like taking scientific advice from a guy who believes the earth is flat, same logic. Do a dive on the guy and he's pretty controversial and on the fringe, flawed at the minimum. You suffer from selection bias, but that is very prevalent today. I respect your opinion on it, but disagree.
@"BigAl99" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"BigAl99" said:@"JimmyinSD" said: https://jbhandleyblog.com/home/2020/6/28/secondwaveThis is a very informative read with a positive outlook, filled with facts and charts to support their conclusions. Put together by some very well educated medical professionals. Long but well worth the read.
You realize J.B. Handley is an long time antivaccine activist, right? If you care for more information
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/j-b-handleys-unthinking-persons-guide-to-the-covid-19-pandemic/
Does that make his math and the rest of the information or line of thinking wrong for certain? I dont agree with the anti vaccer movement, but it doesnt mean they are wrong about everything they say does it?Pretty much, just opinion and non-peer reviewed theory, you need to just wait and see, I guess.
I can agree with that, pretty much what everything has been with this thing, but some gained more traction than others regardless of eventual truthfulness.Im just sharing what I find regardless of what conclusions it supports.
@"savannahskol" said: Back to the hydroxychloroquine "debate",Can you please clarify which "debate"? The last time we discussed this it went nowhere.This "debate", has morphed into a weird anti=vaxxer debate....of which...I'm no part of.
"Our analysis shows that using hydroxychloroquine helped saves lives,” said neurosurgeon Dr. Steven Kalkanis, CEO, Henry Ford Medical Group and Senior Vice President and Chief Academic Officer of Henry Ford Health System. “As doctors and scientists, we look to the data for insight. And the data here is clear that there was benefit to using the drug as a treatment for sick, hospitalized patients.”
https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study
There are two issues:
- Can HCQ prevent COVID-19? Based on the U of M study... NO. However, some have been advocating that people should take it as a preventative
- Can HCQ cure COVID-19? Maybe/possibly but needs further research. Your post above supports this. But this was never under dispute (see link above)
@"mblack" said:@"savannahskol" said: Back to the hydroxychloroquine "debate",This "debate", has morphed into a weird anti=vaxxer debate....of which...I'm no part of.
"Our analysis shows that using hydroxychloroquine helped saves lives,” said neurosurgeon Dr. Steven Kalkanis, CEO, Henry Ford Medical Group and Senior Vice President and Chief Academic Officer of Henry Ford Health System. “As doctors and scientists, we look to the data for insight. And the data here is clear that there was benefit to using the drug as a treatment for sick, hospitalized patients.”
https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study
Can you please clarify which "debate"? The last time we discussed this it went nowhere.
There are two issues:Based on the above statements there wasn't any debate. Someone was boasting that HCQ could prevent COVID-19 and was taking the drug and bragging about it. That was the issue under discussion.
- Can HCQ prevent COVID-19? Based on the U of M study... NO. However, some have been advocating that people should take it as a preventative
- Can HCQ cure COVID-19? Maybe/possibly but needs further research. Your post above supports this. But this was never under dispute (see link above)
theres been plenty of discussion and debate on the merit of its use for both measures as well as others (combined with Zpak as a treatment vs its stand alone use as a treatment) regardless this is a political bent in a thread where politics will no longer be permitted so if you 2 choose to continue down this path stick to the science and the topic and leave the whos and whys out of it.
https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN24837S?__twitter_impression=true
Anybody find it extremely disturbing while reporting new cases there is no substance to the report ie with symptoms in or needed hospitalization. If we treated any other disease the way this one is being treated I know the numbers would be extremely different. Yes there is a definite line with the vulnerable but in reality are we not suppressing the majority in favor of the minority?
@"mjollnir_k" said: Anybody find it extremely disturbing while reporting new cases there is no substance to the report ie with symptoms in or needed hospitalization. If we treated any other disease the way this one is being treated I know the numbers would be extremely different. Yes there is a definite line with the vulnerable but in reality are we not suppressing the majority in favor of the minority?
Think of it this way, there were 2,974 victims of 9/11, that was hardly a majority, 19 attackers, look how we reacted to that. Most western countries are going to have their economies in full gear by October or November, how do you think ours will be doing?
@"JimmyinSD" said:LMAO. Honestly, I definitely am drinking more alcohol during this crisis. My wife too. Same with friends. Hitting it harder than usual.
@"mjollnir_k" said: Anybody find it extremely disturbing while reporting new cases there is no substance to the report ie with symptoms in or needed hospitalization. If we treated any other disease the way this one is being treated I know the numbers would be extremely different. Yes there is a definite line with the vulnerable but in reality are we not suppressing the majority in favor of the minority?
I guess we should just put our head in the sand and wait for the medical community to completely collapse---
@"Akvike" said:@"mjollnir_k" said: Anybody find it extremely disturbing while reporting new cases there is no substance to the report ie with symptoms in or needed hospitalization. If we treated any other disease the way this one is being treated I know the numbers would be extremely different. Yes there is a definite line with the vulnerable but in reality are we not suppressing the majority in favor of the minority?
I guess we should just put our head in the sand and wait for the medical community to completely collapse---
Actually the shut down had the exact opposite effect, Many lost their jobs and the medical community did not get slammed as expected. Yes some were stress and had to transfer patients but neither Mercy or Comfort were even used. And the emergency centers collected dust more then anything.
@"mjollnir_k" said:@"Akvike" said:@"mjollnir_k" said: Anybody find it extremely disturbing while reporting new cases there is no substance to the report ie with symptoms in or needed hospitalization. If we treated any other disease the way this one is being treated I know the numbers would be extremely different. Yes there is a definite line with the vulnerable but in reality are we not suppressing the majority in favor of the minority?
I guess we should just put our head in the sand and wait for the medical community to completely collapse---
Actually the shut down had the exact opposite effect, Many lost their jobs and the medical community did not get slammed as expected. Yes some were stress and had to transfer patients but neither Mercy or Comfort were even used. And the emergency centers collected dust more then anything.Yes it had that effect, of course it would, but the question is how long will it last. And your assertion that the medical system did not get slammed, is a matter of opinion. As far as employment that's all the talk about a U or V shaped recovery, and we are managing to avert both. The stock market is doing okay, but the majority of folk affected by job loss are not reflected in those numbers, the investor class is okay. In other economies social health and welfare are integral, ours is pure profit and wealth accumulation. You know the old cliche, " the rich get richer and the poor get poorer".
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— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) July 10, 2020
@"Vikergirl" said:I think that last line would be applicable to a lot of our countries perceived wrongs.
@"Vikergirl" said:This woman would not agree. Can anyone explain this anti-mask thing to me? The "slave" comment is a whole other topic, but anyone here so anti-mask they would get on public transportation without one?
Just got told to be “a good little slave.” As I was getting on the bus because I put my mask on. #KarenOfTheDay then claims she Mexican. Seriously whAt the fuck. pic.twitter.com/LjtELjUICj
— This.Is.Meg (@ThisIsMeg2) July 9, 2020
Insanity. Do people understand the difference between inconvenience and oppression? Its a @#$%ing mask for christ's sake. Its a very, very EASY thing to do (wearing one). We live in an idiocracy.
I wish I lived in a world where this would surprise me...
Then again, why should it be surprising? Hell, we still had a sizable % of Americans still preaching isolationism post Pearl Harbor. We're just different - or right and wrong :p
Very small % of Britains are wearing masks right now and that country got slammed with Covid. Where as if you look at the mask data in Spain and Italy ? The #'s are in stark contrast. Part of the problem in Britain is lack of a cohesive message, rules and Boris and other public officials didnt start wearing a mask publicly till very recent.
Sound familiar???
@"purplefaithful" said: I wish I lived in a world where this would surprise me...Then again, why should it be surprising? Hell, we still had a sizable % of Americans still preaching isolationism post Pearl Harbor. We're just different - or right and wrong :p
Very small % of Britains are wearing masks right now and that country got slammed with Covid. Where as if you look at the mask data in Spain and Italy ? The #'s are in stark contrast. Part of the problem in Britain is lack of a cohesive message, rules and Boris and other public officials didnt start wearing a mask publicly till very recent.
Sound familiar???
Italy got slammed so hard to begin with makes it very likely that they just dont have as many people left to contract the virus and again, are they testing everybody or just those showing symptoms? I've heard as many as 60 to 80% of all covid positive cases dont show any symptoms and would go undetected in places that dont blanket test like the US is doing. Previous rates of of infection along with testing policies can paint some really twisted statistical graphs.
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