Quote: @medaille said:
First of all, Ivermectin is a human drug that is also used
for animals. Many drugs used for humans are
also used for animals, because often times they work for both because we’re
similar. I would assume that human
versions of drugs are more tightly regulated than the animal versions, and you
shouldn’t be guessing dosages. If you
want Ivermectin, you should be going to a doctor to ensure you’re getting
proper dosages and human grade product.
Maroonbells attempt to slur Ivermectin, by pretending it’s purely for
animals is ignorant, disingenuous, and counterproductive.
Regarding vaccines vs anti-viral medications: I think it’s pretty dumb thinking to be setting
this up as a this medicine vs that medicine because you don’t have to pick just
one. Especially in this situation where
vaccines are only really useful before someone gets Covid19, and other drugs are
being suggested as having benefits both in preventing people from getting Covid19
and after they’ve already got Covid19.
In this time period, people should be being offered multiple things they
can do to reduce their risk of Covid. We
should be exercising, improving our diet, losing weight, ensuring that we have
sufficient Vitamin D and probably other vitamins, avoiding crowded indoor
locations, etc. as preventative measures.
We should be exploring vaccines as a preventative measure. We should be exploring other drugs to help
squash Covid19 after you get it. I don’t
think it makes any logical sense that our nation is hyper-focused on vaccines,
masks, and isolation as the only things to pay attention to. We need a comprehensive approach. The plan shouldn’t be take the vaccine and if
you get it, well your SOL. If you’re not
hearing constant stories about your government trying to find non-vaccine drugs
to help people once they get Covid, you should question how hard they’re
trying.
Regarding the safety of these vaccines vs Ivermectin for
Covid. Both are experimental usage and
not FDA-approved for Covid. Ivermectin
is FDA approved for other uses in humans and has a long history of being safe
at approved dosages. No mRNA vaccines are
FDA approved and have a short history of widespread usage. The VAERs data which isn’t great but is the
only really comprehensive place for adverse reactions to vaccines shows that these
vaccines are being reported as having harmful effects much more often than previous vaccines. That said, it’s still a low risk, they’re
just not as safe as the vaccines you’re used to.
I'm not a doctor. I just read stuff ... sometimes.
And you seem to be quite well-informed.....
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ Bullazin said:
joyfully waiting…
Not sure there is a person on this board less qualified to use the "own" phrase than you. Livin rent free in your head.
Hey conservatives, just a word of advice: "Livin rent free in your head" has long ago run its course. It's just a more recent version of "word to your mama" or "cowabunga" or "as if" or "eat my shorts." Just thought I'd offer some assistance.
Does anybody really give a fuck what you think? Being ill-informed and arguing via Gif's ran its course a long time ago as well. It doesn't stop you from acting like an idiot day in day out while acting like you're a Covid expert because you got the vaccine. lol
Quote: @Waterboy said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ Bullazin said:
joyfully waiting…
Not sure there is a person on this board less qualified to use the "own" phrase than you. Livin rent free in your head.
Hey conservatives, just a word of advice: "Livin rent free in your head" has long ago run its course. It's just a more recent version of "word to your mama" or "cowabunga" or "as if" or "eat my shorts." Just thought I'd offer some assistance.
Does anybody really give a fuck what you think? Being ill-informed and arguing via Gif's ran its course a long time ago as well. It doesn't stop you from acting like an idiot day in day out while acting like you're a Covid expert because you got the vaccine. lol
dont take it so personal boy. Greed gonna bee greed.
you just said in another thread to keep the gifs and memes coming, which is it?
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ Bullazin said:
joyfully waiting…
Not sure there is a person on this board less qualified to use the "own" phrase than you. Livin rent free in your head.
Hey conservatives, just a word of advice: "Livin rent free in your head" has long ago run its course. It's just a more recent version of "word to your mama" or "cowabunga" or "as if" or "eat my shorts." Just thought I'd offer some assistance.
Given your liberal knowledge, I will take this "advice" under not so considerable advisement. Cuz here is another one, if the shoe fits, wear it. Lolol, defending a guy that said 'owned'
Quote: @medaille said:
First of all, Ivermectin is a human drug that is also used
for animals. Many drugs used for humans are
also used for animals, because often times they work for both because we’re
similar. I would assume that human
versions of drugs are more tightly regulated than the animal versions, and you
shouldn’t be guessing dosages. If you
want Ivermectin, you should be going to a doctor to ensure you’re getting
proper dosages and human grade product.
Maroonbells attempt to slur Ivermectin, by pretending it’s purely for
animals is ignorant, disingenuous, and counterproductive.
Regarding vaccines vs anti-viral medications: I think it’s pretty dumb thinking to be setting
this up as a this medicine vs that medicine because you don’t have to pick just
one. Especially in this situation where
vaccines are only really useful before someone gets Covid19, and other drugs are
being suggested as having benefits both in preventing people from getting Covid19
and after they’ve already got Covid19.
In this time period, people should be being offered multiple things they
can do to reduce their risk of Covid. We
should be exercising, improving our diet, losing weight, ensuring that we have
sufficient Vitamin D and probably other vitamins, avoiding crowded indoor
locations, etc. as preventative measures.
We should be exploring vaccines as a preventative measure. We should be exploring other drugs to help
squash Covid19 after you get it. I don’t
think it makes any logical sense that our nation is hyper-focused on vaccines,
masks, and isolation as the only things to pay attention to. We need a comprehensive approach. The plan shouldn’t be take the vaccine and if
you get it, well your SOL. If you’re not
hearing constant stories about your government trying to find non-vaccine drugs
to help people once they get Covid, you should question how hard they’re
trying.
Regarding the safety of these vaccines vs Ivermectin for
Covid. Both are experimental usage and
not FDA-approved for Covid. Ivermectin
is FDA approved for other uses in humans and has a long history of being safe
at approved dosages. No mRNA vaccines are
FDA approved and have a short history of widespread usage. The VAERs data which isn’t great but is the
only really comprehensive place for adverse reactions to vaccines shows that these
vaccines are being reported as having harmful effects much more often than previous vaccines. That said, it’s still a low risk, they’re
just not as safe as the vaccines you’re used to.
I'm not a doctor. I just read stuff ... sometimes.
Well stated. Kinda seems like they don't really care about saving lives as much as they care about posturing. The big difference between ivermectin as a treatment and the mRNA shot is weighed in dollars.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ Bullazin said:
joyfully waiting…
Not sure there is a person on this board less qualified to use the "own" phrase than you. Livin rent free in your head.
Hey conservatives, just a word of advice: "Livin rent free in your head" has long ago run its course. It's just a more recent version of "word to your mama" or "cowabunga" or "as if" or "eat my shorts." Just thought I'd offer some assistance.
Given your liberal knowledge, I will take this "advice" under not so considerable advisement. Cuz here is another one, if the shoe fits, wear it. Lolol, defending a guy that said 'owned'
Yep, owned, again! 
Quote: @Waterboy said:
@ Nichelle said:
Ugh, what a mess.
https://twitter.com/therecount/status/14...48516?s=20
And this guy responds to him:
https://twitter.com/celinegounder/status...07009?s=20
Her responses to the videos are great.
https://twitter.com/celinegounder/status...70882?s=20
https://twitter.com/celinegounder/status...55938?s=20
https://twitter.com/celinegounder/status...22050?s=20
https://twitter.com/celinegounder/status...50658?s=20
https://twitter.com/celinegounder/status...47809?s=20
So you repeatedly cite the same source over and over to validate your position? How about looking at the fact that the federal govt is now telling Facebook what they can and cannot have posted on their site. That the govt. is now fact checking and taking doctors that disagree with their marching orders for the message completely off of social media. I'm sure that means nothing to you. There are certainly studies that back up the vaccine. You will NEVER hear me deny that. But there are also studies that are much more difficult to find nowadays that say Ivermectin, Hydrochloroquine and other therapeutics have shown great promise and are effective as treatments without the side effects. There are many studies showing people with very strong Vitamin D levels are NOT catching Covid and are not experiencing hospital stays. There's a reason you're not seeing those studies, and it's in line with the collusion between the social media giants, main stream media, and the govt in place at this time. When you line up the list of sexual perverts on CNN and MSNBC that have been caught either lying or omitting news repeatedly just over the last two years, and use them for your info, I'm going to laugh at you. If you want to tell me that Twitter, Facebook, and Google are impartial, I'm going to laugh at you. They cannot possibly be trusted, yet Libs think we should blindly follow their marching orders. Go ahead, I'm not going to.
Then you have people that have no brains spouting off the most crazy things said by the other side, and acting like that's their stance. Everything I have said has been true and backed up upon request., and more factually than the crowd that's simply parroting each other and slapping themselves on the ass over how funny they are. lol I have shown a moderate position and even admitted that were I in a more at risk category, I would consider the vaccine. Nothing crazy and it's not crazy for professional athletes to feel that way either. Yet we have the tough guy patrol calling others dumb fucks and trying to act more intelligent than others. I'd love a few of them to call the players they're labeling as dumb fucks that to their face. Of course, message board anonymity is one great safety net. lol
Since you responded directly to me, I'll do the same.
- First, the source isn't Twitter. Laugh all you want. I don't mind. But think about it for a minute first.
- The source is an epidemiologist. (Specifically Medicine / Infectious Disease / Epidemiology / NYU prof / @BellevueHosp doc / Journalism / Speaking / Host @AmericanDxFm & @EpidemicPodcast)
- The videos were from a town hall held by the Republican governor of Arkansas. He is looking to reverse the ban on masks mandates that he signed into law. He's since changed his mind due to the results and what they are seeing in the hospitals.
- It does not matter that the videos were aired on MSNBC. I actually didn't use MSNBC or CNN or anything else for "info". There were no questions or answers in the videos by any member of the media. Perhaps you didn't watch. Fine. But the Doctor was responding to the questions that were posed by those who were there. in the room, in protest. If you were standing in the room yourself you would have heard the same. Questions such as "What's in the vaccine?" and comments such as "If Doctors were allowed to tell the truth" were brought up. She responded with facts as well as her perspective which is based on education and years of hard earned experience. I guess she and so many other infectious disease specialists are having a hard time finding the studies.
- I don't believe I've read anyone here say that people shouldn't take preventative steps for our own health. Most do it. I take Vitamin D every day. I have some melanin which means it's not absorbed as easily naturally. So, I bolster that with Vit D pills. I'm also vaccinated. There are far too many people who are no longer with us who regretted the choice. When it comes to an effective option for our society as a whole, I absolutely support the vaccine.
You might notice that I generally don't sink into the "people have no brains" comments when referring to posters here. So, on that note, I'll leave you be.
All these shit talkers on this site about anti vaxxers and how everyone is an idiot that doesn't think like them. Suck my balls lol
Quote: @Bullazin said:
@ medaille said:
First of all, Ivermectin is a human drug that is also used
for animals. Many drugs used for humans are
also used for animals, because often times they work for both because we’re
similar. I would assume that human
versions of drugs are more tightly regulated than the animal versions, and you
shouldn’t be guessing dosages. If you
want Ivermectin, you should be going to a doctor to ensure you’re getting
proper dosages and human grade product.
Maroonbells attempt to slur Ivermectin, by pretending it’s purely for
animals is ignorant, disingenuous, and counterproductive.
Regarding vaccines vs anti-viral medications: I think it’s pretty dumb thinking to be setting
this up as a this medicine vs that medicine because you don’t have to pick just
one. Especially in this situation where
vaccines are only really useful before someone gets Covid19, and other drugs are
being suggested as having benefits both in preventing people from getting Covid19
and after they’ve already got Covid19.
In this time period, people should be being offered multiple things they
can do to reduce their risk of Covid. We
should be exercising, improving our diet, losing weight, ensuring that we have
sufficient Vitamin D and probably other vitamins, avoiding crowded indoor
locations, etc. as preventative measures.
We should be exploring vaccines as a preventative measure. We should be exploring other drugs to help
squash Covid19 after you get it. I don’t
think it makes any logical sense that our nation is hyper-focused on vaccines,
masks, and isolation as the only things to pay attention to. We need a comprehensive approach. The plan shouldn’t be take the vaccine and if
you get it, well your SOL. If you’re not
hearing constant stories about your government trying to find non-vaccine drugs
to help people once they get Covid, you should question how hard they’re
trying.
Regarding the safety of these vaccines vs Ivermectin for
Covid. Both are experimental usage and
not FDA-approved for Covid. Ivermectin
is FDA approved for other uses in humans and has a long history of being safe
at approved dosages. No mRNA vaccines are
FDA approved and have a short history of widespread usage. The VAERs data which isn’t great but is the
only really comprehensive place for adverse reactions to vaccines shows that these
vaccines are being reported as having harmful effects much more often than previous vaccines. That said, it’s still a low risk, they’re
just not as safe as the vaccines you’re used to.
I'm not a doctor. I just read stuff ... sometimes.
i get what you are saying, but you really believe there are major risks issues in the proven effective vaccine and CDC guidelines while alternate therapies are developed?
Citing ignorance for those that do accept this seems really misguided I never said that I believe there are major risk issues with vaccines. I said a factually correct statement that it's not FDA approved. I also said another factually correct statement that there is much higher reporting of adverse reactions to these vaccines than previous vaccines according to the VAERS, but it's still low risk. There's a lot of people with horrible stories after getting the vaccine, but if you divide a lot of people by hundreds of millions of vaccines given that rate isn't going to blow you away. People that are against the vaccine, would probably say the same thing about Covid, that sure the numbers look not great, but when you divide by a ton of people the rate doesn't look so bad. I would say it's disingenuous to say that these vaccines are as safe as previous vaccines, but obviously tons of people have gotten them and are fine.
Quote: @Nichelle said:
@ Waterboy said:
@ Nichelle said:
Ugh, what a mess.
https://twitter.com/therecount/status/14...48516?s=20
And this guy responds to him:
https://twitter.com/celinegounder/status...07009?s=20
Her responses to the videos are great.
https://twitter.com/celinegounder/status...70882?s=20
https://twitter.com/celinegounder/status...55938?s=20
https://twitter.com/celinegounder/status...22050?s=20
https://twitter.com/celinegounder/status...50658?s=20
https://twitter.com/celinegounder/status...47809?s=20
So you repeatedly cite the same source over and over to validate your position? How about looking at the fact that the federal govt is now telling Facebook what they can and cannot have posted on their site. That the govt. is now fact checking and taking doctors that disagree with their marching orders for the message completely off of social media. I'm sure that means nothing to you. There are certainly studies that back up the vaccine. You will NEVER hear me deny that. But there are also studies that are much more difficult to find nowadays that say Ivermectin, Hydrochloroquine and other therapeutics have shown great promise and are effective as treatments without the side effects. There are many studies showing people with very strong Vitamin D levels are NOT catching Covid and are not experiencing hospital stays. There's a reason you're not seeing those studies, and it's in line with the collusion between the social media giants, main stream media, and the govt in place at this time. When you line up the list of sexual perverts on CNN and MSNBC that have been caught either lying or omitting news repeatedly just over the last two years, and use them for your info, I'm going to laugh at you. If you want to tell me that Twitter, Facebook, and Google are impartial, I'm going to laugh at you. They cannot possibly be trusted, yet Libs think we should blindly follow their marching orders. Go ahead, I'm not going to.
Then you have people that have no brains spouting off the most crazy things said by the other side, and acting like that's their stance. Everything I have said has been true and backed up upon request., and more factually than the crowd that's simply parroting each other and slapping themselves on the ass over how funny they are. lol I have shown a moderate position and even admitted that were I in a more at risk category, I would consider the vaccine. Nothing crazy and it's not crazy for professional athletes to feel that way either. Yet we have the tough guy patrol calling others dumb fucks and trying to act more intelligent than others. I'd love a few of them to call the players they're labeling as dumb fucks that to their face. Of course, message board anonymity is one great safety net. lol
Since you responded directly to me, I'll do the same.
- First, the source isn't Twitter. Laugh all you want. I don't mind. But think about it for a minute first.
- The source is an epidemiologist. (Specifically Medicine / Infectious Disease / Epidemiology / NYU prof / @BellevueHosp doc / Journalism / Speaking / Host @AmericanDxFm & @EpidemicPodcast)
- The videos were from a town hall held by the Republican governor of Arkansas. He is looking to reverse the ban on masks mandates that he signed into law. He's since changed his mind due to the results and what they are seeing in the hospitals.
- It does not matter that the videos were aired on MSNBC. I actually didn't use MSNBC or CNN or anything else for "info". There were no questions or answers in the videos by any member of the media. Perhaps you didn't watch. Fine. But the Doctor was responding to the questions that were posed by those who were there. in the room, in protest. If you were standing in the room yourself you would have heard the same. Questions such as "What's in the vaccine?" and comments such as "If Doctors were allowed to tell the truth" were brought up. She responded with facts as well as her perspective which is based on education and years of hard earned experience. I guess she and so many other infectious disease specialists are having a hard time finding the studies.
- I don't believe I've read anyone here say that people shouldn't take preventative steps for our own health. Most do it. I take Vitamin D every day. I have some melanin which means it's not absorbed as easily naturally. So, I bolster that with Vit D pills. I'm also vaccinated. There are far too many people who are no longer with us who regretted the choice. When it comes to an effective option for our society as a whole, I absolutely support the vaccine.
You might notice that I generally don't sink into the "people have no brains" comments when referring to posters here. So, on that note, I'll leave you be.
I disagree with a few of your conclusions, but overall I can respect your viewpoint. I do think there are major issues with what many posters view as “science”. When the media is blatantly and incessantly only airing stupid commentary from one side, when they’re only citing experts that agree with their narrative, there’s a problem. I respect that you took the time to answer coherently and without self-righteousness. If that happened across the spectrum, we’d be in a much better place.. There have been major issues with people taking the vaccines. That is not being faithfully reported, and that’s nearly undeniable. But, since it takes more than a simple google to get to the studies and experts showing that, and since they get banned when they do, it kinda leads to distrust and then some.
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