2024 QB Watch

Drafting around 18-22 I believe that JJ and Penix could be there.  If neither is there (with the guys ahead all off the board), I am going BPA (preferred EDGE/DT):

Jared Verse (DE)
Chop Robinson (OLB/DE)
Michael Hall (DT)Ruke Orhorohoro (DE/DT)

AND dealing our 4th for Trey Lance.  I think he's worth the flyer, wish we did it this year then we would know what we have with him at this point.  Cousins-Lance-Hall gives you a QB for 2024, a capable backup, and two potential candidates for QBOTF.

@"pattersaur" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said: So the 'experts' consensus is there are 4 first round QBs: Williams, Maye, Daniels and McCarthy. Agree or disagree? 

I'd have five...

Top 10
Drake Maye
Jayden Daniels
Caleb Williams

11-32
Bo Nix
JJ McCarthy

Some more than others, but I’d be excited about any of these 5.

I’d also take a shot on Fields if the Bears would send him our way and we can bolster the DL in the first (and second?). More than likely Fields will go to a team like Atlanta or Tennessee though. Maybe Las Vegas. I think he’s shown enough to at least be an average starter for a good team, and he's only 24. The problem with him and what might depress his market a bit is say you pick up his fifth year option. That gives a team only two years to decide if he’s worth a massive contract, and at least one of those years will be him learning a new system on a new team. For a 2024 fourth I’d pull the trigger but the opportunity cost of missing out on one of those rookies is not nothing. 

EDIT- And no one asked but I’m out on Penix I think unless it’s a middle round pick. Maybe it’s the ghost of Teddy talking but his knee injuries terrify me. 

@"pattersaur" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said: So the 'experts' consensus is there are 4 first round QBs: Williams, Maye, Daniels and McCarthy. Agree or disagree? 

I'd have five...

Top 10
Drake Maye
Jayden Daniels
Caleb Williams

11-32
Bo Nix
JJ McCarthy

Some more than others, but I’d be excited about any of these 5.

I’d also take a shot on Fields if the Bears would send him our way and we can bolster the DL in the first (and second?). More than likely Fields will go to a team like Atlanta or Tennessee though. Maybe Las Vegas. I think he’s shown enough to at least be an average starter for a good team, and he's only 24. The problem with him and what might depress his market a bit is say you pick up his fifth year option. That gives a team only two years to decide if he’s worth a massive contract, and at least one of those years will be him learning a new system on a new team. For a 2024 fourth I’d pull the trigger but the opportunity cost of missing out on one of those rookies is not nothing. 

EDIT- And no one asked but I’m out on Penix I think unless it’s a middle round pick. Maybe it’s the ghost of Teddy talking but his knee injuries terrify me. 

BUMP Regarding Justin Fields... The passing yardage still isn't there but he's playing pretty solid right now. His asking price if CHI moves on is rising. I'll reiterate that if Chicago is amenable, I think the Vikings should seriously consider him for the reasons I said above a few weeks back. Plus, we've lost some more since then.
If we're in range of Daniels or maybe Mccarthy then I'd stick with that plan in the first, but Fields for a third +DT/EDGE in the first is intriguing. With Fields you're also moving on from Kirk and his contracrt, which has pros and cons.

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Knucklehead" said:

@"StickyBun" said: I'd love this, but I think he'll be long gone by the time the Vikings pick:

The #Vikings have done “a lot of work” on Michigan QB JJ McCarthy, @DWolfsonKSTP mentioned on @SKORNorth.

Kwesi Adofo-Mensah attended Michigan’s game against the Gophers, and was there early to watch pregame warmups. He also has a good relationship with Jim Harbaugh, who is the… pic.twitter.com/UDjM0LNg2U

— VikingzFanPage (@vikingzfanpage) November 29, 2023

If they're convinced that JJ is their guy then do what it takes to trade up for him. Even if it means trading multiple first round picks.

Agree. If it's time (and I think it is) and if he's the guy, then do what it takes. Chiefs moved from 27 to 10 to draft Mahomes by giving up a 3rd and the following year's 1st. 

Yup....And they'd do it again all day to Sunday too. 

IF they think someone is that future? Go and get him, dont look back. 

This is the most important off-season since 2017. 

@"mblack" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Knucklehead" said:

@"StickyBun" said: I'd love this, but I think he'll be long gone by the time the Vikings pick:

The #Vikings have done “a lot of work” on Michigan QB JJ McCarthy, @DWolfsonKSTP mentioned on @SKORNorth.

Kwesi Adofo-Mensah attended Michigan’s game against the Gophers, and was there early to watch pregame warmups. He also has a good relationship with Jim Harbaugh, who is the… pic.twitter.com/UDjM0LNg2U

— VikingzFanPage (@vikingzfanpage) November 29, 2023

If they're convinced that JJ is their guy then do what it takes to trade up for him. Even if it means trading multiple first round picks.

Agree. If it's time (and I think it is) and if he's the guy, then do what it takes. Chiefs moved from 27 to 10 to draft Mahomes by giving up a 3rd and the following year's 1st. 

Yup....And they'd do it again all day to Sunday too. 

IF they think someone is that future? Go and get him, dont look back. 

This is the most important off-season since 2017. 

Trade JJ to Chiefs. Now you can do whatever you want in the deaft this year and the next plus you’d have the cap space. 
Running for cover after saying the above

I just find it so interesting that some fans don't want to pay star players. Isn't that what you are attempting to do as a team every Draft? Cousins wants too much money and JJ and Hunter, etc. Trade 'em! Cap space! Draft picks!

@"pattersaur" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said: So the 'experts' consensus is there are 4 first round QBs: Williams, Maye, Daniels and McCarthy. Agree or disagree? 

I'd have five...

Top 10
Drake Maye
Jayden Daniels
Caleb Williams

11-32
Bo Nix
JJ McCarthy

Some more than others, but I’d be excited about any of these 5.

I’d also take a shot on Fields if the Bears would send him our way and we can bolster the DL in the first (and second?). More than likely Fields will go to a team like Atlanta or Tennessee though. Maybe Las Vegas. I think he’s shown enough to at least be an average starter for a good team, and he's only 24. The problem with him and what might depress his market a bit is say you pick up his fifth year option. That gives a team only two years to decide if he’s worth a massive contract, and at least one of those years will be him learning a new system on a new team. For a 2024 fourth I’d pull the trigger but the opportunity cost of missing out on one of those rookies is not nothing. 

EDIT- And no one asked but I’m out on Penix I think unless it’s a middle round pick. Maybe it’s the ghost of Teddy talking but his knee injuries terrify me. 

BUMP Regarding Justin Fields... The passing yardage still isn't there but he's playing pretty solid right now. His asking price if CHI moves on is rising. I'll reiterate that if Chicago is amenable, I think the Vikings should seriously consider him for the reasons I said above a few weeks back. Plus, we've lost some more since then.
If we're in range of Daniels or maybe Mccarthy then I'd stick with that plan in the first, but Fields for a third +DT/EDGE in the first is intriguing. With Fields you're also moving on from Kirk and his contracrt, which has pros and cons.

@"Knucklehead" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said: So the 'experts' consensus is there are 4 first round QBs: Williams, Maye, Daniels and McCarthy. Agree or disagree? 

I'd have five...

Top 10
Drake Maye
Jayden Daniels
Caleb Williams

11-32
Bo Nix
JJ McCarthy

Some more than others, but I’d be excited about any of these 5.

I’d also take a shot on Fields if the Bears would send him our way and we can bolster the DL in the first (and second?). More than likely Fields will go to a team like Atlanta or Tennessee though. Maybe Las Vegas. I think he’s shown enough to at least be an average starter for a good team, and he's only 24. The problem with him and what might depress his market a bit is say you pick up his fifth year option. That gives a team only two years to decide if he’s worth a massive contract, and at least one of those years will be him learning a new system on a new team. For a 2024 fourth I’d pull the trigger but the opportunity cost of missing out on one of those rookies is not nothing. 

EDIT- And no one asked but I’m out on Penix I think unless it’s a middle round pick. Maybe it’s the ghost of Teddy talking but his knee injuries terrify me. 

BUMP Regarding Justin Fields... The passing yardage still isn't there but he's playing pretty solid right now. His asking price if CHI moves on is rising. I'll reiterate that if Chicago is amenable, I think the Vikings should seriously consider him for the reasons I said above a few weeks back. Plus, we've lost some more since then.
If we're in range of Daniels or maybe Mccarthy then I'd stick with that plan in the first, but Fields for a third +DT/EDGE in the first is intriguing. With Fields you're also moving on from Kirk and his contracrt, which has pros and cons.

The biggest drawback to trading for Fields is that you lose the advantage of having a QB on a rookie contract & the cap savings that comes with it. Fields was drafted in 2021. If any team traded for him they would certainly pick up his 5th year option. You would have to do that after the 2024 season.

@"pattersaur" said:

@"mblack" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Knucklehead" said:

@"StickyBun" said: I'd love this, but I think he'll be long gone by the time the Vikings pick:

The #Vikings have done “a lot of work” on Michigan QB JJ McCarthy, @DWolfsonKSTP mentioned on @SKORNorth.

Kwesi Adofo-Mensah attended Michigan’s game against the Gophers, and was there early to watch pregame warmups. He also has a good relationship with Jim Harbaugh, who is the… pic.twitter.com/UDjM0LNg2U

— VikingzFanPage (@vikingzfanpage) November 29, 2023

If they're convinced that JJ is their guy then do what it takes to trade up for him. Even if it means trading multiple first round picks.

Agree. If it's time (and I think it is) and if he's the guy, then do what it takes. Chiefs moved from 27 to 10 to draft Mahomes by giving up a 3rd and the following year's 1st. 

Yup....And they'd do it again all day to Sunday too. 

IF they think someone is that future? Go and get him, dont look back. 

This is the most important off-season since 2017. 

Trade JJ to Chiefs. Now you can do whatever you want in the deaft this year and the next plus you’d have the cap space. 
Running for cover after saying the above

Insert “How about… no! gif”!!!

JJ almost single handedly beat Detroit for us the other day. Pay that man

@"mblack" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

@"mblack" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Knucklehead" said:

@"StickyBun" said: I'd love this, but I think he'll be long gone by the time the Vikings pick:

The #Vikings have done “a lot of work” on Michigan QB JJ McCarthy, @DWolfsonKSTP mentioned on @SKORNorth.

Kwesi Adofo-Mensah attended Michigan’s game against the Gophers, and was there early to watch pregame warmups. He also has a good relationship with Jim Harbaugh, who is the… pic.twitter.com/UDjM0LNg2U

— VikingzFanPage (@vikingzfanpage) November 29, 2023

If they're convinced that JJ is their guy then do what it takes to trade up for him. Even if it means trading multiple first round picks.

Agree. If it's time (and I think it is) and if he's the guy, then do what it takes. Chiefs moved from 27 to 10 to draft Mahomes by giving up a 3rd and the following year's 1st. 

Yup....And they'd do it again all day to Sunday too. 

IF they think someone is that future? Go and get him, dont look back. 

This is the most important off-season since 2017. 

Trade JJ to Chiefs. Now you can do whatever you want in the deaft this year and the next plus you’d have the cap space. 
Running for cover after saying the above

Insert “How about… no! gif”!!!

JJ almost single handedly beat Detroit for us the other day. Pay that man

How did you find me? Thought I ran for cover. I am just frustrated with the whole situation

@"pattersaur" said:

@"mblack" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

@"mblack" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Knucklehead" said:

@"StickyBun" said: I'd love this, but I think he'll be long gone by the time the Vikings pick:

The #Vikings have done “a lot of work” on Michigan QB JJ McCarthy, @DWolfsonKSTP mentioned on @SKORNorth.

Kwesi Adofo-Mensah attended Michigan’s game against the Gophers, and was there early to watch pregame warmups. He also has a good relationship with Jim Harbaugh, who is the… pic.twitter.com/UDjM0LNg2U

— VikingzFanPage (@vikingzfanpage) November 29, 2023

If they're convinced that JJ is their guy then do what it takes to trade up for him. Even if it means trading multiple first round picks.

Agree. If it's time (and I think it is) and if he's the guy, then do what it takes. Chiefs moved from 27 to 10 to draft Mahomes by giving up a 3rd and the following year's 1st. 

Yup....And they'd do it again all day to Sunday too. 

IF they think someone is that future? Go and get him, dont look back. 

This is the most important off-season since 2017. 

Trade JJ to Chiefs. Now you can do whatever you want in the deaft this year and the next plus you’d have the cap space. 
Running for cover after saying the above

Insert “How about… no! gif”!!!

JJ almost single handedly beat Detroit for us the other day. Pay that man

How did you find me? Thought I ran for cover. I am just frustrated with the whole situation

Haha I mean. I get it. If the team is convinced Caleb Williams or whoever is Burrow 2.0 then yeah having him in house with Hockenson and Addison might be enough firepower to get by without JJ moving forward. But a bird in the hand and whatnot... Not sure I could make that move.

The range at which the Vikings will make their 1st pick is huge. I don't think I've ever seen it this wide this late in the ear. Right now the Vikings sit at 15. Not sure if this is true or not, but I heard someone say they could pick as high as 5 if everything, and I mean everything, falls right. And of course 32 if they somehow make the playoffs and win the Super Bowl. 

In order to pick in the top 7, some pretty unlikely things have to happen. But picking between 8-10 doesn't require nearly as much help. 

Current Top 5-
Bears (Panthers)CardinalsFootball TeamPatriotsGiants
Even if the Bears and Cardinals both trade out, it seems safe to assume both of those picks will be QBs. Then you have QB-needy Washington, New England, and probably NYG. The Vikings are going to have to get really comfy with the 5th-ish QB taken in the draft, or make a colossal move into the top 3 if they want their choice after Williams/Maye.
Best case for us is Bears and Cards both move back, but do so within the top 5. So WAS and NE get their QBs, CHI+ARI pick, and QB3 "falls" to NYG at 5. Pick 6 is LAC, 7 is TEN, 8 is CHI again, and 9 is NYJ. So in this scenario, QB4 could be had in that 8-10 range hopefully. Maybe CHI and NYG surprise and don't take QBs. That would really have us sitting pretty but it seems far-fetched.

@"MaroonBells" said: The range at which the Vikings will make their 1st pick is huge. I don't think I've ever seen it this wide this late in the ear. Right now the Vikings sit at 15. Not sure if this is true or not, but I heard someone say they could pick as high as 5 if everything, and I mean everything, falls right. And of course 32 if they somehow make the playoffs and win the Super Bowl. 

In order to pick in the top 7, some pretty unlikely things have to happen. But picking between 8-10 doesn't require nearly as much help. 

Latest rankings: https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2024-nfl-draft-position-rankings-quarterbacks

If I had to choose now what I THINK will happen, it'll be Bo Nix. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: The range at which the Vikings will make their 1st pick is huge. I don't think I've ever seen it this wide this late in the ear. Right now the Vikings sit at 15. Not sure if this is true or not, but I heard someone say they could pick as high as 5 if everything, and I mean everything, falls right. And of course 32 if they somehow make the playoffs and win the Super Bowl. 

In order to pick in the top 7, some pretty unlikely things have to happen. But picking between 8-10 doesn't require nearly as much help. 

If JJ McCarthy lays an egg against Alabama on Monday, his draft stock is going to take a hit. I think there's already questions about him as far as not knowing exactly what you might be getting. I think he's going to be there at #15 for Minnesota either way IF they want him.....the thing is we don't know if the Vikings even like him. 

Latest rankings: https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2024-nfl-draft-position-rankings-quarterbacks

If I had to choose now what I THINK will happen, it'll be Bo Nix. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: The range at which the Vikings will make their 1st pick is huge. I don't think I've ever seen it this wide this late in the ear. Right now the Vikings sit at 15. Not sure if this is true or not, but I heard someone say they could pick as high as 5 if everything, and I mean everything, falls right. And of course 32 if they somehow make the playoffs and win the Super Bowl. 

In order to pick in the top 7, some pretty unlikely things have to happen. But picking between 8-10 doesn't require nearly as much help. 

If JJ McCarthy lays an egg against Alabama on Monday, his draft stock is going to take a hit. I think there's already questions about him as far as not knowing exactly what you might be getting. I think he's going to be there at #15 for Minnesota either way IF they want him.....the thing is we don't know if the Vikings even like him. 

Latest rankings: https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2024-nfl-draft-position-rankings-quarterbacks

If I had to choose now what I THINK will happen, it'll be Bo Nix. 

@"Knucklehead" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: The range at which the Vikings will make their 1st pick is huge. I don't think I've ever seen it this wide this late in the ear. Right now the Vikings sit at 15. Not sure if this is true or not, but I heard someone say they could pick as high as 5 if everything, and I mean everything, falls right. And of course 32 if they somehow make the playoffs and win the Super Bowl. 

In order to pick in the top 7, some pretty unlikely things have to happen. But picking between 8-10 doesn't require nearly as much help. 

If JJ McCarthy lays an egg against Alabama on Monday, his draft stock is going to take a hit. I think there's already questions about him as far as not knowing exactly what you might be getting. I think he's going to be there at #15 for Minnesota either way IF they want him.....the thing is we don't know if the Vikings even like him. 

Latest rankings: https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2024-nfl-draft-position-rankings-quarterbacks

If I had to choose now what I THINK will happen, it'll be Bo Nix. 

I'm not yet convinced that JJM will declare. A lot will depend on the results of the CFP & if Harbaugh jumps to the pros. With the NIL $ available to JJM, remaining in Michigan may be a palatable option. I guess that I'll believe it when I see it.

IIRC Parcells had a checklist for evaluating college QBs & the likelihood that they could successfully transition to the pro game. He said that college QBs should have a minimum of 30 starts & a 70% win rate. I have to think that both Nix & Penix meet this metric FWIW.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Knucklehead" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: The range at which the Vikings will make their 1st pick is huge. I don't think I've ever seen it this wide this late in the ear. Right now the Vikings sit at 15. Not sure if this is true or not, but I heard someone say they could pick as high as 5 if everything, and I mean everything, falls right. And of course 32 if they somehow make the playoffs and win the Super Bowl. 

In order to pick in the top 7, some pretty unlikely things have to happen. But picking between 8-10 doesn't require nearly as much help. 

If JJ McCarthy lays an egg against Alabama on Monday, his draft stock is going to take a hit. I think there's already questions about him as far as not knowing exactly what you might be getting. I think he's going to be there at #15 for Minnesota either way IF they want him.....the thing is we don't know if the Vikings even like him. 

Latest rankings: https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2024-nfl-draft-position-rankings-quarterbacks

If I had to choose now what I THINK will happen, it'll be Bo Nix. 

I'm not yet convinced that JJM will declare. A lot will depend on the results of the CFP & if Harbaugh jumps to the pros. With the NIL $ available to JJM, remaining in Michigan may be a palatable option. I guess that I'll believe it when I see it.

IIRC Parcells had a checklist for evaluating college QBs & the likelihood that they could successfully transition to the pro game. He said that college QBs should have a minimum of 30 starts & a 70% win rate. I have to think that both Nix & Penix meet this metric FWIW.

One that wasn't on Parcell's checklist was season-ending injuries, which has to be a concern about Penix. Love his poise in the pocket though. 

@"pattersaur" said:

Current Top 5- Bears (Panthers)CardinalsFootball TeamPatriotsGiants Even if the Bears and Cardinals both trade out, it seems safe to assume both of those picks will be QBs. Then you have QB-needy Washington, New England, and probably NYG. The Vikings are going to have to get really comfy with the 5th-ish QB taken in the draft, or make a colossal move into the top 3 if they want their choice after Williams/Maye. Best case for us is Bears and Cards both move back, but do so within the top 5. So WAS and NE get their QBs, CHI+ARI pick, and QB3 "falls" to NYG at 5. Pick 6 is LAC, 7 is TEN, 8 is CHI again, and 9 is NYJ. So in this scenario, QB4 could be had in that 8-10 range hopefully. Maybe CHI and NYG surprise and don't take QBs. That would really have us sitting pretty but it seems far-fetched.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

Current Top 5- Bears (Panthers)CardinalsFootball TeamPatriotsGiants Even if the Bears and Cardinals both trade out, it seems safe to assume both of those picks will be QBs. Then you have QB-needy Washington, New England, and probably NYG. The Vikings are going to have to get really comfy with the 5th-ish QB taken in the draft, or make a colossal move into the top 3 if they want their choice after Williams/Maye. Best case for us is Bears and Cards both move back, but do so within the top 5. So WAS and NE get their QBs, CHI+ARI pick, and QB3 "falls" to NYG at 5. Pick 6 is LAC, 7 is TEN, 8 is CHI again, and 9 is NYJ. So in this scenario, QB4 could be had in that 8-10 range hopefully. Maybe CHI and NYG surprise and don't take QBs. That would really have us sitting pretty but it seems far-fetched.

One of the either the Bears or Cards could be a home for Fields. And don't forget that QBs like Russell Wilson will be out there too, along with Tannehill and Mayfield. I think Cousins re-ups in Minnesota, but even he could be an option for one of those teams.