2024 QB Watch

Penix failed to finish all 4 seasons w/ Indiana, tore his right ACL twice, Kwazy probably loves him… ;) B)  

Season	Games			Passing								Rushing
	GP	GS	Record	Comp	Att	Pct	Yards	Avg	TD	Int	Rate	Att	Yards	Avg	TD
Indiana Hoosiers
2018	3	0	0–0	21	34	61.8	219	6.4	1	0	125.6	7	45	6.4	0
2019	6	6	5–1	110	160	68.8	1,394	8.7	10	4	157.6	22	119	5.4	2
2020	6	6	5–1	124	220	56.4	1,645	7.5	14	4	136.5	18	25	1.4	2
2021	5	5	2–3	87	162	53.7	939	5.8	4	7	101.9.	17	−24	−1.4	2
Washington Huskies
2022	13	13	11–2	362	554	65.3	4,641	8.4	31	8	151.3	35	92	2.6	4
2023	14	14	14–0	336	504	66.7	4,648	9.2	35	9	163.5	32	13	0.4	3
Career	47	44	37–7	1,040	1,634	63.6	13,486	8.3	95	32	148.2	131	270	2.1	13

IndianaAs a true freshman in 2018 at Indiana, Penix played in three games, suffered a torn ACL, and was redshirted. He completed 21 of 34 passes for 219 yards and a touchdown. Named the starter entering the 2019season, Penix, however, only played in six games due to injury, completing 110 of 160 passes for 1,394 yards, with ten touchdowns and four interceptions. Penix returned to Indiana as the starter in 2020. On November 30, he was ruled out for the season after suffering a torn ACL in a win against Maryland.

WashingtonOn December 22, 2021, Penix transferred to the University of Washington, and led the Huskies to an 11–2 record in 2022. Penix was the FBSleader in passing yards for the 2022 regular season, averaging 357 yards per game. He also became the Washington Huskies all-time single-season passing leader during the Alamo Bowl with 4,641 passing yards. He finished eighth in the 2022 Heisman Trophy voting and earned AP Comeback Player of the Year. On December 4, 2022, Penix announced on Twitter that he would return to the Huskies for the 2023 season. Penix would lead the 2023 Huskies to the 2024 College Football Playoff National Championship.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Penix_Jr.

Add another QB to the list. Ward is declaring when most thought he would stay. 6-3, 220. Could go day two. 

Cam Ward… league him pic.twitter.com/TeOmSlGyac

— Keylow (@TheyHoedMe) January 2, 2024

@"MaroonBells" said: Add another QB to the list. Ward is declaring when most thought he would stay. 6-3, 220. Could go day two. 

Cam Ward… league him pic.twitter.com/TeOmSlGyac

— Keylow (@TheyHoedMe) January 2, 2024

Is that Josh Dobbs?

@"Wetlander" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: Add another QB to the list. Ward is declaring when most thought he would stay. 6-3, 220. Could go day two. 

Cam Ward… league him pic.twitter.com/TeOmSlGyac

— Keylow (@TheyHoedMe) January 2, 2024

Is that Josh Dobbs?

@"Wetlander" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: Add another QB to the list. Ward is declaring when most thought he would stay. 6-3, 220. Could go day two. 

Cam Ward… league him pic.twitter.com/TeOmSlGyac

— Keylow (@TheyHoedMe) January 2, 2024

Is that Josh Dobbs?

@"Wetlander" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: Add another QB to the list. Ward is declaring when most thought he would stay. 6-3, 220. Could go day two. 

Cam Ward… league him pic.twitter.com/TeOmSlGyac

— Keylow (@TheyHoedMe) January 2, 2024

Is that Josh Dobbs?

The Quarterbacks: Michael Penix Jr., Washington, and J.J. McCarthy, MichiganThis is a potential showcase game for both quarterbacks, Penix and McCarthy. Both players could be first-round picks if they have impressive performances in the national title game; both players could fall as far as day two if they crumble underneath the pressure. It’ll be exciting to watch either way.
Penix is a big-armed lefty coming off the best game of his career in the Huskies’ semifinal win against Texas. He threw for more than 400 yards and two scores and had people raving about his accuracy on deep throws. He has thrown 11 more passes of 20-plus air yards than any quarterback in college football; more than 21 percent of his pass attempts were throws of longer than 20 yards. The deep ball is his bread and butter. He has more than enough arm strength to put the ball wherever he wants downfield, and his ability to perfectly place throws to striding receivers on vertical routes is uncanny. USC’s Caleb Williams and UNC’s Drake Maye, the two best quarterback prospects in the 2024 class, are more consistently accurate at all three levels of the field, but Penix throws the sexiest vertical lead ball on go routes and post routes in the class.

McCarthy isn’t as mistake-free. He takes more sacks and more often puts the ball in harm’s way. He also has about 900 fewer college dropbacks and is three years younger than Penix. There’s still a chance McCarthy won’t declare for the 2024 NFL draft because of that youth and inexperience, and it’s not hard to imagine how much more his pocket management and decision-making could improve with another season at the college level.
Where McCarthy already has the edge over Penix is his down-to-down accuracy. Penix has McCarthy beat with his bucket drops on vertical throws, but McCarthy is simply more consistent. His game film reveals fewer missed throws; he also tied for the third-highest adjusted completion percentage among starters in the FBS this season, per PFF.

Brett Kollman told Mina Kimes today that the Vikings tried to trade away “the farm” for Anthony Richardson last year but couldn’t get a deal done. Wow  :o

He went on to speculate he could see us going after Daniels this year, potentially by trading with LAC if he’s still on the board. 

“They’ll probably settle out at the top of the second tier,” an AFC general manager said of Penix and McCarthy. “Jayden Daniels — if he’s not in the first tier , he’s at the top of the second tier. But I think most will have a first-round grade , so he’s in that first tier.
"Penix and McCarthy, I can see having different opinions with play style preferences and the medical and some other factors. There’s some stuff, some things not to like about both players. … Penix is rolling right now, definitely, and McCarthy could get some momentum . What they do here, positive or negative, it’s the kind of moment that leaves an impression.”  - CBS Sports.com

@"pattersaur" said: Brett Kollman told Mina Kimes today that the Vikings tried to trade away “the farm” for Anthony Richardson last year but couldn’t get a deal done. Wow  :o

He went on to speculate he could see us going after Daniels this year, potentially by trading with LAC if he’s still on the board. 

Here is the full report fwiw:

Who plays quarterback for the Minnesota Vikings in 2024 is a giant question and so is the question of what the Vikings will do in the first round of the NFL Draft. 
With Kirk Cousins a free agent, the starting quarterback job for the Vikings is up in the air but@BrettKollmann"> Brett Kollman of The Film Room and The Bootleg Football Podcast believes the Vikings will try to trade up for his replacement in the 2024 NFL Draft.
"I don't think people realize how hard the Vikings tried to trade up for Anthony Richardson last year," Kollman said on The Mina Kimes Show Featuring Lenny. "The haul they put on the table was massive."
Kollman continued to insinuate that the Vikings were ready to make a move for Richardson, who was selected fourth overall by the Indianapolis Colts. 
Since the Carolina Panthers selected Bryce Young with the first overall pick and the Houston Texans selected C.J. Stroud with the second pick, Kollman's hunch possibly involved the Arizona Cardinals, who traded the No. 3 pick to the Texans before the Colts took Richardson.
"They were going to give away the entire farm, the cat...like all of it," Kollman said. "They were going to give everything, but it takes two to tango. Their trade partner thought they were going to be too good and so they went elsewhere because they didn't want low picks."
"I still feel like Minnesota's going to make a move," Kollman continued.
Because the Vikings were supposedly so aggressive in trying to land Richardson a year ago, Kollman believes the Vikings will do the same in this year's draft. While the Chicago Bears could select USC quarterback Caleb Williams with the first overall pick and UNC's Drake Maye is projected to be gone soon after, Kollman speculates that LSU's Jayden Daniels could make a perfect target for the Vikings in April.
"I just feel like he's a Kevin O'Connell type of quarterback to me," Kollman said before also mentioning Washington's Michael Penix Jr. as a target. "I really do think the added mobility and all the stuff that you can do with him in the run game is kind of a factor there and if they tried and failed to get last year for that exact reason, I have to imagine Daniels is on that list too. If they can go up and get him I think they will."
Daniels spent the first three years of his college career at Arizona State, throwing for 22 touchdowns and three interceptions in his first two seasons before throwing 10 touchdowns and 10 interceptions in 2021.
After transferring to LSU, Daniels threw for 2,913 yards, 17 touchdowns and three interceptions while completing 68.6 percent of his passes for the Tigers in 2022 and took off this past season, throwing for 3,812 yards, 40 touchdowns and four interceptions en route to winning the Heisman Trophy.
But the added element of Daniels's game is his running ability, which has accounted for 2,019 yards and 21 rushing touchdowns over the past two seasons.

Even if the Vikings are interested in Daniels, it could involve a hefty trade to bring him to Minnesota as NFL Mock Draft Database currently has Daniels as the fifth overall pick on its consensus mock draft board.
Kollman speculates that the Los Angeles Chargers, who already have Justin Herbert at quarterback and the sixth overall pick entering Sunday's games, could make for a potential trade partner if the Vikings are interested in a deal. Kollman, by the way, works with the Chargers. 
With Cousins's future in limbo, the Vikings could be in the market for a quarterback in the draft. But if Kollman's intel is true, they could be on the verge of a blockbuster deal that could shape the future of the franchise.

@"pattersaur" said: Brett Kollman told Mina Kimes today that the Vikings tried to trade away “the farm” for Anthony Richardson last year but couldn’t get a deal done. Wow  :o

He went on to speculate he could see us going after Daniels this year, potentially by trading with LAC if he’s still on the board. 

That doesn't make a lot of sense since KOC doesn't know what to do with a run first QB.  As stated in the other thread, these "insider" stories mostly sound like pure bullshit.

FWIW, NFLDraftBuzz.com takes the rankings from 10 leading draft sites and averages them. 

Caleb Williams is 1.9, highest is 1st, lowest is 4th. 
Drake Maye is 3.8, highest is 1st, lowest is 6th
Jayden Daniels is 21.3, highest is 8th, lowest is 71st
Michael Penix is 35.8, highest is 9th, lowest is 97th
Bo Nix is 36.5, highest is 7th, lowest is 66th
JJ McCarthy is 45.1, highest is 21st, lowest is 86th. 

Probably wise to throw out the highest and lowest ranking for each since they appear to be somewhat anomalous. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"mblack" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: Anyone here on the Penix train? Or JJMc?

Going to be fun watching both tonight. 

Penix. JJ missed too many throws today while Penix kept fitting the ball in tight windows. Just my igorant observation from today’s game. Not sire if being a leftie is bad or puts him at a disadvantage but I will wait to hear from more knowledgeable folks

I've been on the Penix wagon all season,   just have a few concerns, mostly his injury history.   But he's my favorite of the bunch in terms of being a leader and a passer.  The kid just has an IT factor to him.

At some point I hope to figure him out, but right now Penix is an enigma to me. I agree with all the positives. He's got some IT factor, terrific accuracy and enough athleticism to maneuver in the pocket, but rarely runs. His patience in the pocket at Washington is going to translate well to the NFL. 

But that release! Oh my. I can't believe no one's talking about this. At first I thought it was just that he's left handed, because I haven't seen a release like that since Tim Tebow. His footwork is even worse. Throws every ball as if he’s riding a horse. Legs apart, body out of alignment. It's nails on a chalkboard. 

That said, the proof is in the pudding, right? If he delivers the ball on time and accurately, and man does he ever, what difference does it make how he releases it? And could he be even better if you improve it? 

@"MaroonBells" said: FWIW, NFLDraftBuzz.com takes the rankings from 10 leading draft sites and averages them. 

Caleb Williams is 1.9, highest is 1st, lowest is 4th. 
Drake Maye is 3.8, highest is 1st, lowest is 6th
Jayden Daniels is 21.3, highest is 8th, lowest is 71st
Michael Penix is 35.8, highest is 9th, lowest is 97th
Bo Nix is 36.5, highest is 7th, lowest is 66th
JJ McCarthy is 45.1, highest is 21st, lowest is 86th. 

Probably wise to throw out the highest and lowest ranking for each since they appear to be somewhat anomalous. 

Makes you wonder how recently those draft rankings were updated.  If Daniels makes it to 8 let alone 21 I'll eat cottage cheese. 

@"RS Express" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: FWIW, NFLDraftBuzz.com takes the rankings from 10 leading draft sites and averages them. 

Caleb Williams is 1.9, highest is 1st, lowest is 4th. 
Drake Maye is 3.8, highest is 1st, lowest is 6th
Jayden Daniels is 21.3, highest is 8th, lowest is 71st
Michael Penix is 35.8, highest is 9th, lowest is 97th
Bo Nix is 36.5, highest is 7th, lowest is 66th
JJ McCarthy is 45.1, highest is 21st, lowest is 86th. 

Probably wise to throw out the highest and lowest ranking for each since they appear to be somewhat anomalous. 

Makes you wonder how recently those draft rankings were updated.  If Daniels makes it to 8 let alone 21 I'll eat cottage cheese. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"RS Express" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: FWIW, NFLDraftBuzz.com takes the rankings from 10 leading draft sites and averages them. 

Caleb Williams is 1.9, highest is 1st, lowest is 4th. 
Drake Maye is 3.8, highest is 1st, lowest is 6th
Jayden Daniels is 21.3, highest is 8th, lowest is 71st
Michael Penix is 35.8, highest is 9th, lowest is 97th
Bo Nix is 36.5, highest is 7th, lowest is 66th
JJ McCarthy is 45.1, highest is 21st, lowest is 86th. 

Probably wise to throw out the highest and lowest ranking for each since they appear to be somewhat anomalous. 

Makes you wonder how recently those draft rankings were updated.  If Daniels makes it to 8 let alone 21 I'll eat cottage cheese. 

Dude, I love cottage cheese. 

@"RS Express" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: FWIW, NFLDraftBuzz.com takes the rankings from 10 leading draft sites and averages them. 

Caleb Williams is 1.9, highest is 1st, lowest is 4th. 
Drake Maye is 3.8, highest is 1st, lowest is 6th
Jayden Daniels is 21.3, highest is 8th, lowest is 71st
Michael Penix is 35.8, highest is 9th, lowest is 97th
Bo Nix is 36.5, highest is 7th, lowest is 66th
JJ McCarthy is 45.1, highest is 21st, lowest is 86th. 

Probably wise to throw out the highest and lowest ranking for each since they appear to be somewhat anomalous. 

Makes you wonder how recently those draft rankings were updated.  If Daniels makes it to 8 let alone 21 I'll eat cottage cheese. 

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"mblack" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: Anyone here on the Penix train? Or JJMc?

Going to be fun watching both tonight. 

Penix. JJ missed too many throws today while Penix kept fitting the ball in tight windows. Just my igorant observation from today’s game. Not sire if being a leftie is bad or puts him at a disadvantage but I will wait to hear from more knowledgeable folks

I've been on the Penix wagon all season,   just have a few concerns, mostly his injury history.   But he's my favorite of the bunch in terms of being a leader and a passer.  The kid just has an IT factor to him.

At some point I hope to figure him out, but right now Penix is an enigma to me. I agree with all the positives. He's got some IT factor, terrific accuracy and enough athleticism to maneuver in the pocket, but rarely runs. His patience in the pocket at Washington is going to translate well to the NFL. 

But that release! Oh my. I can't believe no one's talking about this. At first I thought it was just that he's left handed, because I haven't seen a release like that since Tim Tebow. His footwork is even worse. Throws every ball as if he’s riding a horse. Legs apart, body out of alignment. It's nails on a chalkboard. 

That said, the proof is in the pudding, right? If he delivers the ball on time and accurately, and man does he ever, what difference does it make how he releases it? And could he be even better if you improve it? 

The latter portion of your post was a good foreshadowing for last night. The mechanics work when he is protected and allowed to simply point-guard the offense. Once pressured the lack of mechanics really breaks down his production and the ball ends up all over the place. 

https://gbnreport.com/2024-big-board/

GBN updated their Big Board. Penix at 11, Nix at 18, McCarthy at 26, and Quin Ewers at 30. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"mblack" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: Anyone here on the Penix train? Or JJMc?

Going to be fun watching both tonight. 

Penix. JJ missed too many throws today while Penix kept fitting the ball in tight windows. Just my igorant observation from today’s game. Not sire if being a leftie is bad or puts him at a disadvantage but I will wait to hear from more knowledgeable folks

I've been on the Penix wagon all season,   just have a few concerns, mostly his injury history.   But he's my favorite of the bunch in terms of being a leader and a passer.  The kid just has an IT factor to him.

At some point I hope to figure him out, but right now Penix is an enigma to me. I agree with all the positives. He's got some IT factor, terrific accuracy and enough athleticism to maneuver in the pocket, but rarely runs. His patience in the pocket at Washington is going to translate well to the NFL. 

But that release! Oh my. I can't believe no one's talking about this. At first I thought it was just that he's left handed, because I haven't seen a release like that since Tim Tebow. His footwork is even worse. Throws every ball as if he’s riding a horse. Legs apart, body out of alignment. It's nails on a chalkboard. 

That said, the proof is in the pudding, right? If he delivers the ball on time and accurately, and man does he ever, what difference does it make how he releases it? And could he be even better if you improve it? 

The latter portion of your post was a good foreshadowing for last night. The mechanics work when he is protected and allowed to simply point-guard the offense. Once pressured the lack of mechanics really breaks down his production and the ball ends up all over the place. 

Which is alarming, considering that the pressure he saw against Michigan was just typical, every Sunday pressure in the NFL.