OT: Coronavirus

OMG this Marine GETS IT.

Wear a mask.

"It's called a dress code, KEVIN!" 😂😂😂

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— Holly Figueroa O'Reilly (@AynRandPaulRyan) July 21, 2020

^ I love that guy and his TED talk.  <3

@"BigAl99" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"BigAl99" said: Lock down and stop the spread, once things are controlled, then proceed with opening up as biology allows.  That's the name of the game, that's why every other country is ahead of us on this thing, we didn't do that.  School is a building an education is totally different thing, what so hard about that concept, it's not complex.  I'm not an educator, but I will listen to what they have to say.  You act like sending them to school then, after a few weeks change things up is going to be better than other alternatives.  Teaching pod's where students are isolated and the teachers go to them is one solution.  You think in a binary box, where do you get me advocating doing nothing,  lock downs, where breakouts were occurring, would have gotten things in running sooner than the status quo.  Another big change I would advocate is getting people concerned about the public welfare vs showing up fully armed grandstanding about oppression when they are asked to  do the right thing.  Love how all the 2nd amendment folk are keeping their thumbs warm while the Fed secret police are oppressing 1 st amendment, totally ignorant to the fact they will be next.    

I listened to educators call into a radio talk show talking for hours a few weeks ago about all the reasons teaching pods wont work,  just doesnt sound viable according to the professionals that took the opportunity to share their views.

The rest of your response really has nothing to do with getting kids educations and will only cause this thread to derail or turn political so another time maybe.

Radio call in experts now that's a real source of autority, but suppose if that's the best you got.  Best of luck, you got this, "it's gonna get worse before it get better", have that from a real expert, an expert like no one has ever seen before.

What is your point, by the way, educate kids or get parents back to work?

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"BigAl99" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"BigAl99" said: Lock down and stop the spread, once things are controlled, then proceed with opening up as biology allows.  That's the name of the game, that's why every other country is ahead of us on this thing, we didn't do that.  School is a building an education is totally different thing, what so hard about that concept, it's not complex.  I'm not an educator, but I will listen to what they have to say.  You act like sending them to school then, after a few weeks change things up is going to be better than other alternatives.  Teaching pod's where students are isolated and the teachers go to them is one solution.  You think in a binary box, where do you get me advocating doing nothing,  lock downs, where breakouts were occurring, would have gotten things in running sooner than the status quo.  Another big change I would advocate is getting people concerned about the public welfare vs showing up fully armed grandstanding about oppression when they are asked to  do the right thing.  Love how all the 2nd amendment folk are keeping their thumbs warm while the Fed secret police are oppressing 1 st amendment, totally ignorant to the fact they will be next.    

I listened to educators call into a radio talk show talking for hours a few weeks ago about all the reasons teaching pods wont work,  just doesnt sound viable according to the professionals that took the opportunity to share their views.

The rest of your response really has nothing to do with getting kids educations and will only cause this thread to derail or turn political so another time maybe.

Radio call in experts now that's a real source of autority, but suppose if that's the best you got.  Best of luck, you got this, "it's gonna get worse before it get better", have that from a real expert, an expert like no one has ever seen before.

What is your point, by the way, educate kids or get parents back to work?

Why cant it be both,  bet kids back in a learning environment and the parents back to work,  they kind of go hand in hand for a lot of families?   And what difference does it make that these teachers called in to a radio show in their opinions validity?  Does there education and profession not make them qualified to talk on the merits and pitfalls of the various education possibilities?

@"Akvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"RS Express" said:

More news of stupid from the Governor of Missouri: https://twitter.com/stltoday/status/1285199041417158663

sounds pretty much spot on.   kids will get it and for the vast majority they will go home and in a short time be over it without ever needing hospitalization.  i would say its stating the obvious if you look at the numbers.

except for the fact they might infect parents grandparents etc who won't possibly get just the sniffles---other than that all good.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Akvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"RS Express" said:

More news of stupid from the Governor of Missouri: https://twitter.com/stltoday/status/1285199041417158663

sounds pretty much spot on.   kids will get it and for the vast majority they will go home and in a short time be over it without ever needing hospitalization.  i would say its stating the obvious if you look at the numbers.

except for the fact they might infect parents grandparents etc who won't possibly get just the sniffles---other than that all good.

They might,  or they might not.  Perhaps those high risk situations should be mitigated if possible and or be prepared for in advance.  If families want to huddle in fear,  allow them to distance learn,  most states allow for home schooling of their children.  ( typically mocked by a segment of our society that is now pretty vocally in favor of its use)

And no not all good,  but neither is what was tried this spring,  if it didn't spread like wildfire through Walmart's and Menards I am sure we can come up with solutions to get our kids educated in an environment conducive to better learning than their kitchen table or bedroom without blowing up the covid numbers.

mblack----that's the point it is spreading like wildfire because leadership wouldn't make the really hard calls early on and now wants to claim having a handle on it while downplaying and discrediting their own health experts

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"BigAl99" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"BigAl99" said: Lock down and stop the spread, once things are controlled, then proceed with opening up as biology allows.  That's the name of the game, that's why every other country is ahead of us on this thing, we didn't do that.  School is a building an education is totally different thing, what so hard about that concept, it's not complex.  I'm not an educator, but I will listen to what they have to say.  You act like sending them to school then, after a few weeks change things up is going to be better than other alternatives.  Teaching pod's where students are isolated and the teachers go to them is one solution.  You think in a binary box, where do you get me advocating doing nothing,  lock downs, where breakouts were occurring, would have gotten things in running sooner than the status quo.  Another big change I would advocate is getting people concerned about the public welfare vs showing up fully armed grandstanding about oppression when they are asked to  do the right thing.  Love how all the 2nd amendment folk are keeping their thumbs warm while the Fed secret police are oppressing 1 st amendment, totally ignorant to the fact they will be next.    

I listened to educators call into a radio talk show talking for hours a few weeks ago about all the reasons teaching pods wont work,  just doesnt sound viable according to the professionals that took the opportunity to share their views.

The rest of your response really has nothing to do with getting kids educations and will only cause this thread to derail or turn political so another time maybe.

Radio call in experts now that's a real source of autority, but suppose if that's the best you got.  Best of luck, you got this, "it's gonna get worse before it get better", have that from a real expert, an expert like no one has ever seen before.

What is your point, by the way, educate kids or get parents back to work?

Why cant it be both,  bet kids back in a learning environment and the parents back to work,  they kind of go hand in hand for a lot of families?   And what difference does it make that these teachers called in to a radio show in their opinions validity?  Does there education and profession not make them qualified to talk on the merits and pitfalls of the various education possibilities?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-s-largest-teachers-union-files-suit-against-state-over-n1234382

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"BigAl99" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"BigAl99" said: Lock down and stop the spread, once things are controlled, then proceed with opening up as biology allows.  That's the name of the game, that's why every other country is ahead of us on this thing, we didn't do that.  School is a building an education is totally different thing, what so hard about that concept, it's not complex.  I'm not an educator, but I will listen to what they have to say.  You act like sending them to school then, after a few weeks change things up is going to be better than other alternatives.  Teaching pod's where students are isolated and the teachers go to them is one solution.  You think in a binary box, where do you get me advocating doing nothing,  lock downs, where breakouts were occurring, would have gotten things in running sooner than the status quo.  Another big change I would advocate is getting people concerned about the public welfare vs showing up fully armed grandstanding about oppression when they are asked to  do the right thing.  Love how all the 2nd amendment folk are keeping their thumbs warm while the Fed secret police are oppressing 1 st amendment, totally ignorant to the fact they will be next.    

I listened to educators call into a radio talk show talking for hours a few weeks ago about all the reasons teaching pods wont work,  just doesnt sound viable according to the professionals that took the opportunity to share their views.

The rest of your response really has nothing to do with getting kids educations and will only cause this thread to derail or turn political so another time maybe.

Radio call in experts now that's a real source of autority, but suppose if that's the best you got.  Best of luck, you got this, "it's gonna get worse before it get better", have that from a real expert, an expert like no one has ever seen before.

What is your point, by the way, educate kids or get parents back to work?

Why cant it be both,  bet kids back in a learning environment and the parents back to work,  they kind of go hand in hand for a lot of families?   And what difference does it make that these teachers called in to a radio show in their opinions validity?  Does there education and profession not make them qualified to talk on the merits and pitfalls of the various education possibilities?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-s-largest-teachers-union-files-suit-against-state-over-n1234382

not surprising considering the location and the situation,  but my comments were about the Missouri governors comments and their specific situation ( and other states like theirs)  currently there are about 15 states that are not showing any sort of increase in new cases, deaths, hospitalizations,  etc.. those states should be looking to get their kids back into a safe/modified learning environment,  and be getting people back to work where its possible to do so without creating obvious crowding issues.

just like I advocated last winter,  not every state/region will need to take the same measures to control the spread,  not every state/region needs to take the same approach to setting a new norm,  which is why I put more of emphasis on calling for local responses to outbreaks than waiting for the feds to act.  

@"mblack" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Akvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"RS Express" said:

More news of stupid from the Governor of Missouri: https://twitter.com/stltoday/status/1285199041417158663

sounds pretty much spot on.   kids will get it and for the vast majority they will go home and in a short time be over it without ever needing hospitalization.  i would say its stating the obvious if you look at the numbers.

except for the fact they might infect parents grandparents etc who won't possibly get just the sniffles---other than that all good.

They might,  or they might not.  Perhaps those high risk situations should be mitigated if possible and or be prepared for in advance.  If families want to huddle in fear,  allow them to distance learn,  most states allow for home schooling of their children.  ( typically mocked by a segment of our society that is now pretty vocally in favor of its use)

And no not all good,  but neither is what was tried this spring,  if it didn't spread like wildfire through Walmart's and Menards I am sure we can come up with solutions to get our kids educated in an environment conducive to better learning than their kitchen table or bedroom without blowing up the covid numbers.

You said: They might,  or they might not. 
My reply: 

1. Are you really serious?  The mere fact that you use the word might is mind boggling to say the least  

You said: Perhaps those high risk situations should be mitigated if possible and or be prepared for in advance.  If families want to huddle in fear,  allow them to distance learn,  most states allow for home schooling of their children.  ( typically mocked by a segment of our society that is now pretty vocally in favor of its use)
My reply:

1. At the red. When would we have prepared in advance? Aren't you one of the same folks that questioned anything and every thing others presented as preventive measures? Its very noble now to sit hear and say we should be prepared in advance? The question is when and how? Also you missed the actual point again.
2. We are NOT prepared so this point of yours is useless and we can't base anything on it. As simple as that.
3. We are not prepared and based on what we know now we cant advocate for opening schools. 

You Said: And no not all good,  but neither is what was tried this spring,  if it didn't spread like wildfire through Walmart's and Menards I am sure we can come up with solutions to get our kids educated in an environment conducive to better learning than their kitchen table or bedroom without blowing up the covid numbers.

My Reply:

1. It did spread like wildfire when people gathered. Do you want Wal-mart numbers before you accept? What part of large gatherings are a breathing ground for the virus don't you understand?
2. When you say "neither is what we tried this spring" I beg to differ.
   Some of you were busy tearing down the efforts during the spring. If we were all onboard it may have worked so please dont pretend like we were all onboard with the options advanced by the experts. We decided to trust politicians because of what they had ... "gut feel".
3. When you say you are sure we can come up with solutions who is we? I am hoping its not the same people who have been making suggestions and others have been bashing those suggestions. Again, if we dont have any suggestions we cant be for school re-opening. Until those solutions are in place no right thinking person would advocate for schools or businesses to open unless they have a hidden agenda as it more often is with a few on this board.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"mblack" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Akvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"RS Express" said:

More news of stupid from the Governor of Missouri: https://twitter.com/stltoday/status/1285199041417158663

sounds pretty much spot on.   kids will get it and for the vast majority they will go home and in a short time be over it without ever needing hospitalization.  i would say its stating the obvious if you look at the numbers.

except for the fact they might infect parents grandparents etc who won't possibly get just the sniffles---other than that all good.

They might,  or they might not.  Perhaps those high risk situations should be mitigated if possible and or be prepared for in advance.  If families want to huddle in fear,  allow them to distance learn,  most states allow for home schooling of their children.  ( typically mocked by a segment of our society that is now pretty vocally in favor of its use)

And no not all good,  but neither is what was tried this spring,  if it didn't spread like wildfire through Walmart's and Menards I am sure we can come up with solutions to get our kids educated in an environment conducive to better learning than their kitchen table or bedroom without blowing up the covid numbers.

You said: They might,  or they might not. 
My reply: 

1. Are you really serious?  The mere fact that you use the word might is mind boggling to say the least  

You said: Perhaps those high risk situations should be mitigated if possible and or be prepared for in advance.  If families want to huddle in fear,  allow them to distance learn,  most states allow for home schooling of their children.  ( typically mocked by a segment of our society that is now pretty vocally in favor of its use)
My reply:

1. At the red. When would we have prepared in advance? Aren't you one of the same folks that questioned anything and every thing others presented as preventive measures? Its very noble now to sit hear and say we should be prepared in advance? The question is when and how? Also you missed the actual point again.
2. We are NOT prepared so this point of yours is useless and we can't base anything on it. As simple as that.
3. We are not prepared and based on what we know now we cant advocate for opening schools. 

You Said: And no not all good,  but neither is what was tried this spring,  if it didn't spread like wildfire through Walmart's and Menards I am sure we can come up with solutions to get our kids educated in an environment conducive to better learning than their kitchen table or bedroom without blowing up the covid numbers.

My Reply:

1. It did spread like wildfire when people gathered. Do you want Wal-mart numbers before you accept? What part of large gatherings are a breathing ground for the virus don't you understand?
2. When you say "neither is what we tried this spring" I beg to differ.
   Some of you were busy tearing down the efforts during the spring. If we were all onboard it may have worked so please dont pretend like we were all onboard with the options advanced by the experts. We decided to trust politicians because of what they had ... "gut feel".
3. When you say you are sure we can come up with solutions who is we? I am hoping its not the same people who have been making suggestions and others have been bashing those suggestions. Again, if we dont have any suggestions we cant be for school re-opening. Until those solutions are in place no right thinking person would advocate for schools or businesses to open unless they have a hidden agenda as it more often is with a few on this board.

I was one of the few back in Jan/ Feb. telling people to take this serious,  on this board and others, when people were being cavalier I was raising alarms,  so dont try and box me in with what you think you remember.  I have been trying to keep people from jumping the shark on both sides of this issue.  Its not just those that are under reacting to the situation that need their facts checked,  those that are constantly sending up false smoke are doing just as much damage to controlling this issue because there are some many that are tired of hearing wolf cried and looking around and only seeing a poodle.

I am not going to get into every single talking point on every single thing,  but for Christs sake,  there is no reason that schools in areas that arent showing upswings and such cant be looking to get back to some sort of new norm operations.  whats  good in your back yard may not work in mine, and Missouri isnt having near the issue that is being blasted about on the national news so if their gov and health dept say they are ready to look to get back into classrooms,  then so be it.  We cant live in constant fear.  

Also,  for those getting pissy with me on this,  how many of you have 100% stuck to social distancing guidelines in your own lives?  you havent attended any grad parties in the last months,  church or other social gatherings?  I know I have taken fair precautions, but I have still taken chances that werent necessary... but we still have to live our lives or we will go fuckin nuts and that can potentially be just as deadly as this virus.

@"BigAl99" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"mblack" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Akvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"RS Express" said:

More news of stupid from the Governor of Missouri: https://twitter.com/stltoday/status/1285199041417158663

sounds pretty much spot on.   kids will get it and for the vast majority they will go home and in a short time be over it without ever needing hospitalization.  i would say its stating the obvious if you look at the numbers.

except for the fact they might infect parents grandparents etc who won't possibly get just the sniffles---other than that all good.

They might,  or they might not.  Perhaps those high risk situations should be mitigated if possible and or be prepared for in advance.  If families want to huddle in fear,  allow them to distance learn,  most states allow for home schooling of their children.  ( typically mocked by a segment of our society that is now pretty vocally in favor of its use)

And no not all good,  but neither is what was tried this spring,  if it didn't spread like wildfire through Walmart's and Menards I am sure we can come up with solutions to get our kids educated in an environment conducive to better learning than their kitchen table or bedroom without blowing up the covid numbers.

You said: They might,  or they might not. 
My reply: 

1. Are you really serious?  The mere fact that you use the word might is mind boggling to say the least  

You said: Perhaps those high risk situations should be mitigated if possible and or be prepared for in advance.  If families want to huddle in fear,  allow them to distance learn,  most states allow for home schooling of their children.  ( typically mocked by a segment of our society that is now pretty vocally in favor of its use)
My reply:

1. At the red. When would we have prepared in advance? Aren't you one of the same folks that questioned anything and every thing others presented as preventive measures? Its very noble now to sit hear and say we should be prepared in advance? The question is when and how? Also you missed the actual point again.
2. We are NOT prepared so this point of yours is useless and we can't base anything on it. As simple as that.
3. We are not prepared and based on what we know now we cant advocate for opening schools. 

You Said: And no not all good,  but neither is what was tried this spring,  if it didn't spread like wildfire through Walmart's and Menards I am sure we can come up with solutions to get our kids educated in an environment conducive to better learning than their kitchen table or bedroom without blowing up the covid numbers.

My Reply:

1. It did spread like wildfire when people gathered. Do you want Wal-mart numbers before you accept? What part of large gatherings are a breathing ground for the virus don't you understand?
2. When you say "neither is what we tried this spring" I beg to differ.
   Some of you were busy tearing down the efforts during the spring. If we were all onboard it may have worked so please dont pretend like we were all onboard with the options advanced by the experts. We decided to trust politicians because of what they had ... "gut feel".
3. When you say you are sure we can come up with solutions who is we? I am hoping its not the same people who have been making suggestions and others have been bashing those suggestions. Again, if we dont have any suggestions we cant be for school re-opening. Until those solutions are in place no right thinking person would advocate for schools or businesses to open unless they have a hidden agenda as it more often is with a few on this board.

I was one of the few back in Jan/ Feb. telling people to take this serious,  on this board and others, when people were being cavalier I was raising alarms,  so dont try and box me in with what you think you remember.  I have been trying to keep people from jumping the shark on both sides of this issue.  Its not just those that are under reacting to the situation that need their facts checked,  those that are constantly sending up false smoke are doing just as much damage to controlling this issue because there are some many that are tired of hearing wolf cried and looking around and only seeing a poodle.

I am not going to get into every single talking point on every single thing,  but for Christs sake,  there is no reason that schools in areas that arent showing upswings and such cant be looking to get back to some sort of new norm operations.  whats  good in your back yard may not work in mine, and Missouri isnt having near the issue that is being blasted about on the national news so if their gov and health dept say they are ready to look to get back into classrooms,  then so be it.  We cant live in constant fear.  

Also,  for those getting pissy with me on this,  how many of you have 100% stuck to social distancing guidelines in your own lives?  you havent attended any grad parties in the last months,  church or other social gatherings?  I know I have taken fair precautions, but I have still taken chances that werent necessary... but we still have to live our lives or we will go fuckin nuts and that can potentially be just as deadly as this virus.

I don't think the discussion ever was about closing schools where it was safe, the discussion was forcing everyone to open schools when it isn't safe.  Perhaps your positions about herd immunity,  false data causing over counting and masks not being effective camouflaged your progressive stance on the topic.

By the way you never answered my question about how your profession deals with HMD, Hoof and Mouth disease another airborne transmitted virus, that's why I have a disconnect with your previous stands on the topic.

just heard that Minny is going all masks outside of private residences starting saturday.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"BigAl99" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"mblack" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Akvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: sounds pretty much spot on.   kids will get it and for the vast majority they will go home and in a short time be over it without ever needing hospitalization.  i would say its stating the obvious if you look at the numbers.

except for the fact they might infect parents grandparents etc who won't possibly get just the sniffles---other than that all good.

I was one of the few back in Jan/ Feb. telling people to take this serious,  on this board and others, when people were being cavalier I was raising alarms,  so dont try and box me in with what you think you remember.  I have been trying to keep people from jumping the shark on both sides of this issue.  Its not just those that are under reacting to the situation that need their facts checked,  those that are constantly sending up false smoke are doing just as much damage to controlling this issue because there are some many that are tired of hearing wolf cried and looking around and only seeing a poodle.

I am not going to get into every single talking point on every single thing,  but for Christs sake,  there is no reason that schools in areas that arent showing upswings and such cant be looking to get back to some sort of new norm operations.  whats  good in your back yard may not work in mine, and Missouri isnt having near the issue that is being blasted about on the national news so if their gov and health dept say they are ready to look to get back into classrooms,  then so be it.  We cant live in constant fear.  

Also,  for those getting pissy with me on this,  how many of you have 100% stuck to social distancing guidelines in your own lives?  you havent attended any grad parties in the last months,  church or other social gatherings?  I know I have taken fair precautions, but I have still taken chances that werent necessary... but we still have to live our lives or we will go fuckin nuts and that can potentially be just as deadly as this virus.

I don't think the discussion ever was about closing schools where it was safe, the discussion was forcing everyone to open schools when it isn't safe.  Perhaps your positions about herd immunity,  false data causing over counting and masks not being effective camouflaged your progressive stance on the topic.

By the way you never answered my question about how your profession deals with HMD, Hoof and Mouth disease another airborne transmitted virus, that's why I have a disconnect with your previous stands on the topic.

the discussion was about missouri,  where there is not currently an upward trend in covid and their governors remarks about reopening schools.   his remarks wouldnt mean shit for areas outside of his control so not sure why areas that are currently flaring would even be a talking  point.

as far as the measures being taken,  I question the notion of a lot of it being overly effective in preventing the spread of the virus,  a position that has been echoed by many well renowned medical sources. 

I work in the water industry,  we dont actively see much for hoof and mouth.  however,  in the livestock industry,  the typical way to handle a hoof and mouth outbreak would be to kill all the animals in the vicinity and then sterilize the area before introducing a few new animals to test for remaining viral activity.  you arent suggesting that we follow such an approach with covid are you?  I dont think I could support that approach.

@"BigAl99" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"BigAl99" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"mblack" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Akvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: sounds pretty much spot on.   kids will get it and for the vast majority they will go home and in a short time be over it without ever needing hospitalization.  i would say its stating the obvious if you look at the numbers.

except for the fact they might infect parents grandparents etc who won't possibly get just the sniffles---other than that all good.

I was one of the few back in Jan/ Feb. telling people to take this serious,  on this board and others, when people were being cavalier I was raising alarms,  so dont try and box me in with what you think you remember.  I have been trying to keep people from jumping the shark on both sides of this issue.  Its not just those that are under reacting to the situation that need their facts checked,  those that are constantly sending up false smoke are doing just as much damage to controlling this issue because there are some many that are tired of hearing wolf cried and looking around and only seeing a poodle.

I am not going to get into every single talking point on every single thing,  but for Christs sake,  there is no reason that schools in areas that arent showing upswings and such cant be looking to get back to some sort of new norm operations.  whats  good in your back yard may not work in mine, and Missouri isnt having near the issue that is being blasted about on the national news so if their gov and health dept say they are ready to look to get back into classrooms,  then so be it.  We cant live in constant fear.  

Also,  for those getting pissy with me on this,  how many of you have 100% stuck to social distancing guidelines in your own lives?  you havent attended any grad parties in the last months,  church or other social gatherings?  I know I have taken fair precautions, but I have still taken chances that werent necessary... but we still have to live our lives or we will go fuckin nuts and that can potentially be just as deadly as this virus.

I don't think the discussion ever was about closing schools where it was safe, the discussion was forcing everyone to open schools when it isn't safe.  Perhaps your positions about herd immunity,  false data causing over counting and masks not being effective camouflaged your progressive stance on the topic.

By the way you never answered my question about how your profession deals with HMD, Hoof and Mouth disease another airborne transmitted virus, that's why I have a disconnect with your previous stands on the topic.

the discussion was about missouri,  where there is not currently an upward trend in covid and their governors remarks about reopening schools.   his remarks wouldnt mean shit for areas outside of his control so not sure why areas that are currently flaring would even be a talking  point.

as far as the measures being taken,  I question the notion of a lot of it being overly effective in preventing the spread of the virus,  a position that has been echoed by many well renowned medical sources. 

I work in the water industry,  we dont actively see much for hoof and mouth.  however,  in the livestock industry,  the typical way to handle a hoof and mouth outbreak would be to kill all the animals in the vicinity and then sterilize the area before introducing a few new animals to test for remaining viral activity.  you arent suggesting that we follow such an approach with covid are you?  I dont think I could support that approach.

First off Missouri is not trending down in cases, it the lowest in the midwest but I have it at a 16% increase over the last seven days. 

https://www.uscovidtrends.com/midwest.html#missouri
No not suggesting we intentionally kill people off, but history may Judge, that is exactly what we have done in an attempt to keep the US economy going.  Sin of omission rather than commission, for what I have done and also left undone.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"BigAl99" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"BigAl99" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"mblack" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Akvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: sounds pretty much spot on.   kids will get it and for the vast majority they will go home and in a short time be over it without ever needing hospitalization.  i would say its stating the obvious if you look at the numbers.

except for the fact they might infect parents grandparents etc who won't possibly get just the sniffles---other than that all good.

I was one of the few back in Jan/ Feb. telling people to take this serious,  on this board and others, when people were being cavalier I was raising alarms,  so dont try and box me in with what you think you remember.  I have been trying to keep people from jumping the shark on both sides of this issue.  Its not just those that are under reacting to the situation that need their facts checked,  those that are constantly sending up false smoke are doing just as much damage to controlling this issue because there are some many that are tired of hearing wolf cried and looking around and only seeing a poodle.

I am not going to get into every single talking point on every single thing,  but for Christs sake,  there is no reason that schools in areas that arent showing upswings and such cant be looking to get back to some sort of new norm operations.  whats  good in your back yard may not work in mine, and Missouri isnt having near the issue that is being blasted about on the national news so if their gov and health dept say they are ready to look to get back into classrooms,  then so be it.  We cant live in constant fear.  

Also,  for those getting pissy with me on this,  how many of you have 100% stuck to social distancing guidelines in your own lives?  you havent attended any grad parties in the last months,  church or other social gatherings?  I know I have taken fair precautions, but I have still taken chances that werent necessary... but we still have to live our lives or we will go fuckin nuts and that can potentially be just as deadly as this virus.

I don't think the discussion ever was about closing schools where it was safe, the discussion was forcing everyone to open schools when it isn't safe.  Perhaps your positions about herd immunity,  false data causing over counting and masks not being effective camouflaged your progressive stance on the topic.

By the way you never answered my question about how your profession deals with HMD, Hoof and Mouth disease another airborne transmitted virus, that's why I have a disconnect with your previous stands on the topic.

the discussion was about missouri,  where there is not currently an upward trend in covid and their governors remarks about reopening schools.   his remarks wouldnt mean shit for areas outside of his control so not sure why areas that are currently flaring would even be a talking  point.

as far as the measures being taken,  I question the notion of a lot of it being overly effective in preventing the spread of the virus,  a position that has been echoed by many well renowned medical sources. 

I work in the water industry,  we dont actively see much for hoof and mouth.  however,  in the livestock industry,  the typical way to handle a hoof and mouth outbreak would be to kill all the animals in the vicinity and then sterilize the area before introducing a few new animals to test for remaining viral activity.  you arent suggesting that we follow such an approach with covid are you?  I dont think I could support that approach.

First off Missouri is not trending down in cases, it the lowest in the midwest but I have it at a 16% increase over the last seven days. 

https://www.uscovidtrends.com/midwest.html#missouri
No not suggesting we intentionally kill people off, but history may Judge, that is exactly what we have done in an attempt to keep the US economy going.  Sin of omission rather than commission, for what I have done and also left undone.

sorry for the incorrect data,  I last looked on Monday when CBS reported Missouri as one of 14 states that had a 2 week downward trend in all statistical reporting categories (cases, hospitalizations, and deaths)

we killed the economy when we took the measures we did in march/april.  its trying to restart,  but the damage has been done in many cases.  I think it was Sticky that said back then that we wont know the real damage to economy until all the false money from the govt floats through and settles,  once its back to businesses having to survive on customers and customers having to live on their own income,  not unemployment that payed more than their regular jobs.   I agree,  I dont think we have seen the real economic stranglehold that this virus has caused yet.

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@"JimmyinSD" said: just heard that Minny is going all masks outside of private residences starting saturday.

WI considering it too. 

I suspect we're all in agreement there was no way this country could stay on lock-down mode forever...

Question was when /where/how to re-open and compliance from the population on how to live safely during a pandemic.  

I always looked @ CA as Best in Class when it came to managing this - at least early on. Now they are looking at locking down again and are openly admitting they opened-up too much/too soon. 

We (the US) had a set of at least 5 metrics that needed to be trending down before re-opening. I wonder how many states that opened (to the degree they did) actually would have met that criteria? Not many I'm guessing.

Then layer on top of that the stupid behavior we see in packing bars, beaches, barbeques etc...And you get what we got in the US today...In the past 2 weeks new COVID-19 cases were at least 915,00 - more than the entire mos of June. This very much traceable to Memorial Day weekend sins. 

I'm looking at the hospitalization trends by state and they are skyrocketing in many areas too - especially bible belt and SW US.