OT: Coronavirus

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@"Sir Viking Bob VWO" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: Something tells me when all of the true story comes out of China, we're going to be shaking our heads in amazement, despair, disbelief and anger. 

And Trump holds them responsible for their actions, because he is a real president!!  Wipes out our debt with them and goes down as the greatest president in American History and completely wiping out Obuma's legacy!!!   I Love It !!!!

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"mblack" said:

@"BigAl99" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"BigAl99" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"A1Janitor" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"A1Janitor" said:

@"minny65" said:

@"A1Janitor" said: https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/city-hall/story/2020/04/07/javits-center-and-usns-comfort-have-a-combined-110-patients-1273409

Javits Center and USNS Comfort have a combined 110 patientsBy ERIN DURKIN  04/07/2020 04:46 PM EDT

NEW YORK — The military-run hospitals at the Javits Center and onboard the USNS Comfort remain mostly empty — so far treating only 110 patients between them, Pentagon officials said Tuesday. Both facilities were established in New York after Gov. Andrew Cuomo and Mayor Bill de Blasio begged for federal support last month to manage the spiraling outbreak of the coronavirus, but they have been hampered by logistical and communication constraints, officials said. Javits, the sprawling convention center on the West Side of Manhattan, has a capacity for 2,500 people but so far has 66 patients. The Comfort, the Navy hospital ship docked in the Hudson River, has 44 patients out of a capacity for 500.

So the Stay at home orders have really made an impact in curbing the virus.  I would prefer my governor over prepare and then not need the resources.  I am sure if the virus hits another State hard then NY will be sending their resources.  States like Washington, Oregon sent some extra supplies/vents to NY in a show of unity and now those resources can be sourced where needed most.  It is wonderful to see the "United States" of American work together as one.  

I heard today that many NYC deaths could have been avoided if the mayor and governor acted sooner.  

Is that a revelation? I mean, isn't it obvious that deaths could have been avoided if every mayor in every city and every governor in every state acted sooner? 

It's looking like CA and maybe Washington State are the best in class examples so far...I say that with trepidation with my kid in LA. 

Yep, some did better than others. But there isn't a single leader in the country (or the world) that doesn't wish they had acted sooner. Whether they admit it or not is another story. 

Yes, I agree with this.

I also think WHO and China hold blame for at a minimum not being honest earlier - sending mixed signals - which the federal, state, and local leaders relied on.

What we don’t need is the blame game, especially for political advantage.

All leaders should study the mistakes and safeguard us in the future. 

The WHO is what pisses me off the most in this deal.   they are supposed to be a non political entity that puts the health of all people ahead of everything else...politics be damned,  consequences be damned,  and for them to withhold the truth from the rest of the world... that  is inexcusable IMO.   I am all for killing their funding unless that organization can show some serious changes internally in both people and practice.

I never for a second thought that China should be trusted in their reportings... I mean hello, we grew up in the heart of the cold war and read all the bull shit that the communist party run news agencies spewed.

I thought that also, but as we step out of leadership roles the vacuum be will filled.  The current WHO president, an elected official was not the candidate we supported, we supported a British candidate.  It's not a nationalist organization.

I was not aware of this.... i cant tell you how many times I have read stuff on this virus and my resulting reaction is a heavy sigh and a head shake.

I just listened to an explanation of what went down with the WHO parroting the early Chinese position that it was not transmitted person to person in December.  That was statement put out by the Leadership not vetted, more a statement that we are not gonna look into it till we are asked.     

This whole  blame the Chinese or WHO is just passing the buck. Yes they lied or told half truths. How come other countries were able to adjust and react to it better than the US even though the US had a late start? 

Damage control, deflection game on by the Potus...

That said, the WHO and Chinese need to be investigated. There needs to be understanding of events similar to what we did after 911. Both of ourselves and external world partners too. 

I think this thread on the main page has run its course when nobody is trying to adhere to the board rules.   when some of the primary thread contributors have devolved to political bickering it appears that is where they want to take this thread?   I read that as an overwhelming vote to just move it to the ST board so you all can continue the shit fest in there?

The massive army field hospital that hundreds of troops built inside a Seattle convention center last week will be dismantled before treating a single patient.
Instead, it will be redeployed to a state facing a more difficult battle against the coronavirus outbreak, Washington Gov. Jay Inslee said Wednesday.
Nearly 300 soldiers from Fort Carson, Colo., and Joint Base Lewis-McChord (JBLM) near Tacoma, Wash., built the makeshift facility inside CenturyLink Field Event Center, normally home to the NFL’s Seattle Seahawks and the Seattle Sounders of the MLS, for patients who do not have COVID-19.

@"mblack" said:

@"A1Janitor" said: LOL You aren’t paying attention.  The curve flattened.  More deaths today are from the cases two weeks ago. There is a lag in deaths.  In two or three weeks the deaths should go down.  Per Fauci. 

You somehow think saying gibberish, propaganda and showing how brainwashed you are is paying attention. Anyway, I digress. The curve has not flattened. And since you like to practice selective reading... I asked how we got to a point where 700+ people dying was ok. Care to explain that? How grossly unprepared we were. Your response ofcourse is what I expected. Rationalizing the deaths. Please tell us how that is acceptable. Since we are at it help me "wise one" explain why 3 plus months into this our testing efforts are grossly lagging behind? Let me guess it's someone else's fault.

@"JimmyinSD" said: I think this thread on the main page has run its course when nobody is trying to adhere to the board rules.   when some of the primary thread contributors have devolved to political bickering it appears that is where they want to take this thread?   I read that as an overwhelming vote to just move it to the ST board so you all can continue the shit fest in there?

I'll be better lol!

gotta be the holy weekend coming out...We celebrate Easter and Passover this week. 

At least the solutions should be affordable... so this is promising.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/healthcare/potential-coronavirus-drugs-may-cost-as-little-as-dollar1-study-says/ar-BB12qTKf?li=BBnbfcN

@"BarrNone55" said:

Yup, that definitely boardline. Should I tally your posts that are completely political?

@"BarrNone55" said: Yup, that definitely boardline. Should I tally your posts that are completely political?

I am pointing out that you are calling for the removal of some while you do it too.

But let’s not confuse me posting news with politics.  

I’m still laughing 😂 pic.twitter.com/LylQLdXfZg

— Tommy Kramer (@Kramer9Tommy) April 10, 2020

Went grocery shopping yesterday. Aisles have become one way only. 

@"BarrNone55" said: https://twitter.com/i/status/1248313303270596610

At the grocery. Wearing my mask. Lady behind me, snarky & loud enough to make sure I heard, “don’t guess she realizes that stupid mask won’t do any good.” Me: “Honey, I’m an off duty nurse, I’m wearing it to protect YOU. But, I can take it off if you’d like.” She practically ran.

— Emily Annette (@EmilyAnnette6) April 9, 2020

#CalEXIT

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: Why, exactly, is toilet paper in short supply?

By DEE-ANN DURBIN Associated PressApril 9, 2020 — 11:53am

What does toilet paper have to do with a global pandemic?

Nothing.
Yet millions of people have been panicking about their household supply. Store shelves have been emptied. Amazon is often out of stock. And social media is bursting with jokes and pleas for a roll or two.
The good news: Things are calming down, at least in the U.S., after a buying spree in mid-March. But it’s not yet clear when — if ever — buying habits will get back to normal.
Here's all you ever wanted to know about toilet paper during a pandemic:
WHY IS TOILET PAPER IN SHORT SUPPLY?
One reason is because people are hoarding. Some were stockpiling last month in advance of city and state lockdown orders. It’s a common reaction in times of a crisis, when consumers feel a need for control and security, says David Garfield, global leader of the consumer products practice at AlixPartners, a consulting firm.
NCSolutions, a data and consulting firm, said online and in-store U.S. toilet paper sales rose 51% between Feb. 24 and March 10, as buyers started getting uneasy about the growing number of virus cases. But sales rocketed a whopping 845% on March 11 and 12 as states announced lockdowns.
WHAT ARE SOME OTHER REASONS FOR THE SHORTAGES?
Toilet paper flows from paper mills to retail stores through a tight, efficient supply chain. Toilet paper is bulky and not very profitable, so retailers don’t keep a lot of inventory on hand; they just get frequent shipments and restock their shelves.
“You never noticed because it’s so well-managed,” said Jim Luke, an economics professor at Lansing Community College in Michigan, who used to be a strategist for a toilet paper distribution company.
The amount of toilet paper the average American uses hasn't changed; it's still around 141 rolls per year (compared to 134 rolls in Germany and just 49 rolls in China, AlixParters says). But even small changes in buying habits can throw everything into disarray.
With a regional disruption like a hurricane, stores can redirect some inventory to the affected area. But a global pandemic doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room.
CAN'T COMPANIES JUST MAKE MORE TOILET PAPER?
The big three U.S. toilet paper companies — Georgia-Pacific LLC, Proctor & Gamble Co. and Kimberly-Clark Corp. — were already running their toilet paper plants 24 hours a day before the new coronavirus hit. That’s the only way they can make a profit on such a low-margin product.
The companies are trying to increase output by making fewer varieties of toilet paper. They’re also trying to get the product to stores more quickly. Atlanta-based Georgia-Pacific is working with packaging suppliers to get more materials and maximizing the number of deliveries it can ship from its facilities.
CAN SUPPLIES BE REDIRECTED TO HOUSEHOLDS INSTEAD OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE NOW CLOSED?
No. Commercial toilet paper uses a different kind of pulp and is produced on different machines. Many institutional rolls are intentionally larger, so cleaning staff don’t have to refill them as often and people don’t steal them, Luke said. Plusher toilet paper for home use also has different packaging requirements, Garfield said.
Prior to the coronavirus crisis, about half of U.S. toilet paper sales were commercial, while the other half were for homes, Garfield said. That’s changing; AlixPartners estimates U.S. household demand is up 40% as offices and schools close.
But Georgia-Pacific said commercial demand hasn’t yet fallen. It has seen a surge of orders from hospitals and other essential businesses that are still operating.
ARE SUPPLIES IN GROCERIES AND OTHER RETAILERS IMPROVING?
Demand has softened a bit since mid-March, so that should make it easier to find toilet paper. NCSolutions said sales are down 62% right now compared to the “extreme buying period” of March 11-24. But they’re still 6% higher than they were before the new coronavirus hit the U.S.
Kroger, the nation’s biggest grocery chain, said most of its stores are now getting truckloads of paper products every day or every other day. Kroger and other retailers have also established limits on the amount of toilet paper people can buy at one time.
WHEN WILL THINGS GET BACK TO NORMAL?
Nobody knows. For one thing, the new coronavirus could permanently increase the demand for household toilet paper.
“Will the workforce go back to work like they did before? If people work from home, this could be much more prolonged,” says NCSolutions CEO Linda Dupree.
Raising prices on toilet paper — as was done in 1973 during the oil embargo — might curb hoarding, Garfield said. But it would make it harder for some consumers to afford.
ARE THERE WAYS TO CUT DOWN ON TOILET PAPER USE?
U.S. searches for “bidet” reached an all-time high in March, according to Google Trends. Tushy, which makes a $100 bidet attachment for toilets, said its sales spiked in mid-March, hitting $1 million in a single day. Sales are still running 10 times ahead of projections, Tushy said.

The last three times I went shopping, there was plenty to be found. Try the natural foods stores--whole foods, sprouts, etc. People who shop there tend to be a little more educated...and less "hoardy."