OT: Coronavirus
Wow....
I’ve flown in and out of Denver Airport roughly 50 times. I’ve never seen it empty like this.
Yeah, DIA is never that empty. My goodness, this thing has really gotten ahold of people. But I suspect that it's going to make a far bigger dent in the global economy than the global population.
What changes have you made? Personally, I have tickets to fly to San Francisco with my kids to see my brother in a couple of weeks. And, so far anyway, I plan to go. But I have to say I'm a little nervous about it, especially with my kids. Not as much about the virus as how people are panicking about it. A flight yesterday was rerouted to Denver because someone, um...sneezed. And I am narrowing in on some ridiculously priced tickets to Cancun in May. Am I crazy?
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@"purplefaithful" said:1@"mblack" said:@"BigAl99" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"BigAl99" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"A1Janitor" said:@"MaroonBells" said:Yes, I agree with this.@"purplefaithful" said:Yep, some did better than others. But there isn't a single leader in the country (or the world) that doesn't wish they had acted sooner. Whether they admit it or not is another story.@"MaroonBells" said:It's looking like CA and maybe Washington State are the best in class examples so far...I say that with trepidation with my kid in LA.@"A1Janitor" said:Is that a revelation? I mean, isn't it obvious that deaths could have been avoided if every mayor in every city and every governor in every state acted sooner?@"minny65" said:I heard today that many NYC deaths could have been avoided if the mayor and governor acted sooner.@"A1Janitor" said: https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/city-hall/story/2020/04/07/javits-center-and-usns-comfort-have-a-combined-110-patients-1273409So the Stay at home orders have really made an impact in curbing the virus. I would prefer my governor over prepare and then not need the resources. I am sure if the virus hits another State hard then NY will be sending their resources. States like Washington, Oregon sent some extra supplies/vents to NY in a show of unity and now those resources can be sourced where needed most. It is wonderful to see the "United States" of American work together as one.NEW YORK — The military-run hospitals at the Javits Center and onboard the USNS Comfort remain mostly empty — so far treating only 110 patients between them, Pentagon officials said Tuesday. Both facilities were established in New York after Gov. Andrew Cuomo and Mayor Bill de Blasio begged for federal support last month to manage the spiraling outbreak of the coronavirus, but they have been hampered by logistical and communication constraints, officials said. Javits, the sprawling convention center on the West Side of Manhattan, has a capacity for 2,500 people but so far has 66 patients. The Comfort, the Navy hospital ship docked in the Hudson River, has 44 patients out of a capacity for 500.Javits Center and USNS Comfort have a combined 110 patientsBy ERIN DURKIN 04/07/2020 04:46 PM EDTI also think WHO and China hold blame for at a minimum not being honest earlier - sending mixed signals - which the federal, state, and local leaders relied on.
What we don’t need is the blame game, especially for political advantage.
All leaders should study the mistakes and safeguard us in the future.
The WHO is what pisses me off the most in this deal. they are supposed to be a non political entity that puts the health of all people ahead of everything else...politics be damned, consequences be damned, and for them to withhold the truth from the rest of the world... that is inexcusable IMO. I am all for killing their funding unless that organization can show some serious changes internally in both people and practice.I never for a second thought that China should be trusted in their reportings... I mean hello, we grew up in the heart of the cold war and read all the bull shit that the communist party run news agencies spewed.
I thought that also, but as we step out of leadership roles the vacuum be will filled. The current WHO president, an elected official was not the candidate we supported, we supported a British candidate. It's not a nationalist organization.
I was not aware of this.... i cant tell you how many times I have read stuff on this virus and my resulting reaction is a heavy sigh and a head shake.I just listened to an explanation of what went down with the WHO parroting the early Chinese position that it was not transmitted person to person in December. That was statement put out by the Leadership not vetted, more a statement that we are not gonna look into it till we are asked.
This whole blame the Chinese or WHO is just passing the buck. Yes they lied or told half truths. How come other countries were able to adjust and react to it better than the US even though the US had a late start?
Damage control, deflection game on by the Potus...That said, the WHO and Chinese need to be investigated. There needs to be understanding of events similar to what we did after 911. Both of ourselves and external world partners too.
I totally agree at the bold even though this is not the time or place when people are dying in unprecedented numbers. Our leaders are supposed to protect us not "entirely" rely on someone else. That's why we have structures and processes in place (or should I sad had structures and processes) and that is why we are America... at least that is what we were made to believe. The fact that 3 months into this, we can't come up with a plan/unified approach as a country is simply unacceptable. This has nothing to do with China or anybody else. Other countries that got hit by this adjusted with clear leadership and direction and are in a better place now. Our curve is still rising with no formal plan besides the blame game and clasping at conspiracies or unscientific methods at best. How did we get to a point where 700+ people dying in a day is OK or "not bad"? These people did not deserve to die and we failed them, we failed their families and it is unacceptable.
We can sit here and blame others or try to prove we did "all we could do" but deep down, we know that is a lie. Our leaders simply could not rise up to the challenge like they made us believe and we in turn expected. The worst part is, they are still failing and lying to us as the death toll keeps growing.
LOL You aren’t paying attention. The curve flattened. More deaths today are from the cases two weeks ago. There is a lag in deaths. In two or three weeks the deaths should go down. Per Fauci.
@"A1Janitor" said: LOL You aren’t paying attention. The curve flattened. More deaths today are from the cases two weeks ago. There is a lag in deaths. In two or three weeks the deaths should go down. Per Fauci.You somehow think saying gibberish, propaganda and showing how brainwashed you are is paying attention. Anyway, I digress. The curve has not flattened. And since you like to practice selective reading... I asked how we got to a point where 700+ people dying was ok. Care to explain that? How grossly unprepared we were. Your response ofcourse is what I expected. Rationalizing the deaths. Please tell us how that is acceptable. Since we are at it help me "wise one" explain why 3 plus months into this our testing efforts are grossly lagging behind? Let me guess it's someone else's fault.
Lying low during coronavirus pandemic, Bud Grant sees history repeating itselfStricken with polio at age 10, former Vikings head coach Bud Grant today sees similar "highly stressful times" with the unknowns surrounding COVID-19.When Bud Grant was stricken with polio as a kid, iron lungs were used to treat the disease. Precursors to modern breathing machines, iron lungs didn’t completely cure polio victims but they did save lives.
Yet as is the case today with ventilators needed to treat people seriously ill with coronavirus, iron lungs were in short supply. Also, they were expensive, about $1,500 in 1938, when Grant contracted polio at age 10. That was the average cost of a house at the time.
“There were fund drives to try to raise money for iron lungs,” the retired Vikings coach said.
Grant was speaking the other day from his Bloomington home, lying low like most everyone else. In more normal times, he might tune in a televised ballgame. Otherwise, except for news programs, he’s never been much of a TV watcher.
So until he can chase wild turkeys when seasons for those birds open in coming weeks, he hangs out with his partner, Pat Smith, decides with her which game bird or venison cut they’ll extract from their freezer for dinner, reads long nonfiction tomes (“Seven Pillars of Wisdom”; “The Allies”), and watches history repeat itself from the perspective of a 92-year-old.
Polio epidemics, he said, struck somewhere in the U.S. virtually every summer during the first half of the last century. No one knew where they came from or who would catch the debilitating disease next.
When Grant started limping, neither he nor his parents knew what was happening.
“I was taken to a local doctor, and though the accepted therapy at the time for polio was rest, he told us just the opposite,” Grant said. “He said, ‘Get the boy a baseball glove and get him playing ball. Don’t let him turn into a turnip.’ Which is what we did, and I started playing more and more sports. But we couldn’t afford a new glove. So dad gave me his.”
Scariest about polio was that no one knew anything about it, except that it was caused by a virus and moved unseen from house to house, community to community.
Homes that were stricken had signs posted on their doors and were ostracized.
For Grant and his family, the sickness struck when the United States was in the throes of the Depression, when millions of workers had lost their jobs and hundreds of thousands of Americans went hungry, and in the years leading up to World War II.
Both, Grant said, were cataclysmic for the American psyche.
“Like today, with the threat from coronavirus, those were highly stressful times for everyone,” he said. “The Depression was catastrophic, and during World War II we weren’t sure if the Japanese would bomb the West Coast or the Russians would come at us over the North Pole. We lost more than 400,000 soldiers, sailors and Marines in the war. But we survived these major crises, and did well afterward, which gives people my age perspective and confidence we’ll survive this one.”
Yet a major difference exists between people’s reaction to the coronavirus menace today and their forbears’ responses to previous national calamities, Grant said.
“You can be scared because you don’t know anything about a threat, which was the case with polio, and you fear that unknown,” he said. “Or you can be scared because you know too much, as is the case today due to all of the media coverage of coronavirus. Not everyone is able to decipher what’s important and what’s not. Instead they believe everything, and that can be scary.”
Typically at this time of year, Grant would be at his cabin in northwest Wisconsin. Songbirds have completed their migrations north, deer can be spotted rummaging in fallow fields and wood ducks are setting up camp in man-made boxes hanging from trees and standing on posts.
But Smith, who Grant says has a tape measure permanently deployed to 6 feet should unexpected guests show up at their doorstep, has put her foot down on travels.
Cracks in her armor seem to be appearing, however.
“Maybe if we get the TV hooked up at the cabin,” she said.
Until such a translocation occurs, Grant thinks not very often about football or other sports, except to say they will eventually return.
Instead he focuses on the coming autumn, when with Smith he hopes to hunt ducks and geese in North Dakota, Manitoba and Saskatchewan, and with some luck draw down on a good buck at a friend’s place in Roseau County.
He and Smith both felled 8-pointers there last fall — hers was bigger — and now, during the coronavirus lockdown, he recalls that field memory and many others, among them the day last November when he sat alongside his 15-year-old grandson while the youngster killed his first buck.
“I’m thinking about that and thinking also quite a bit about the type of hunting I do now compared to how I hunted when I was younger,” Grant said. “I can’t hunt grouse or pheasants anymore because I’m not mobile enough. Instead I hunt turkeys, ducks, geese and deer — game that comes to me.
“But is that ‘hunting,’ waiting for animals to come to me? Or should I call it something else?”
Grant affords himself such musings because he’s confident the sun will rise tomorrow.
One of his legs is shorter than the other and one foot is smaller, due to the polio.
But his doctor’s worst fears were never realized: He didn’t turn into a turnip.
“We’ll survive,” he said.
https://www.startribune.com/lying-low-during-coronavirus-pandemic-bud-grant-sees-history-repeating-itself/569520562/
The deaths will end up being less than the flu from last year.
Meanwhile, heart attacks, pneumonia, and flu deaths are down.
Of course deaths suck. The original scary numbers were wrong.
Cuomo said the curve flattened in NYS. Fauci said the curve flattened in the US.
Did you support the president when he banned travel from China? Or did you call him xenophobic?
Did you support the president when he banned travel from Europe? Or did you support Pelosi, Schumer, de Blasio et al when they said Trump was overreacting?
Can we all agree a border in the South is a good idea? Or should we let future pandemics flow through unchecked? Should we bring manufacturing back home - especially critical necessities like drugs and medical equipment?
Now please respect Jimmy’s wishes and stop the political bullshit. And stop attacking people. I am sorry people disagree with you.
The models fwiw said 100 to 200k deaths assuming social distancing. 1.2 million if there was no social distancing. The models have dropped to 60k! So it becomes like the flu in terms of death.
Japan did no social distancing ... 85 deaths.
My friend has been pushing the iron lung concept to me ... he is building his own.
He maintains buildings like the carrier dome has higher oxygen based on pressure ... and would require less ventilators. He explained it to me ... I half understood.
haha on twitter:
@cnnpolitics US intelligence agencies started tracking coronavirus outbreak in China as early as November
Office of DNI response:
@ODBIgov As we told CNN earlier today, this story contains inaccurate information.
@"A1Janitor" said: The deaths will end up being less than the flu from last year.Meanwhile, heart attacks, pneumonia, and flu deaths are down.
Of course deaths suck. The original scary numbers were wrong.
Cuomo said the curve flattened in NYS. Fauci said the curve flattened in the US.
Did you support the president when he banned travel from China? Or did you call him xenophobic?
Did you support the president when he banned travel from Europe? Or did you support Pelosi, Schumer, de Blasio et al when they said Trump was overreacting?
Can we all agree a border in the South is a good idea? Or should we let future pandemics flow through unchecked? Should we bring manufacturing back home - especially critical necessities like drugs and medical equipment?
Now please respect Jimmy’s wishes and stop the political bullshit. And stop attacking people. I am sorry people disagree with you.
Just as expected...you'll blame everyone else. You made it political. I said you post gibberish and spread propaganda and cherry picking statements. None of which are an insult even though they are true.
You just demonstrated that.
There is a reason you can't have a decent discourse with anyone without it deteriorating...what's that saying again? It goes something like "the apple does not fall far from..."
By the way, the curve flattening in NY is not US. Also I questioned, how does a curve flatten when testing is not happening? What are they using to measure that? But I guess that's too much for you to understand so you resort to more of the rubbish you are fond of regurgitating. I am starting to believe you have this nonsense saved as a template that you copy and paste.
Please note that I'll never bring myself to the level of insulting you. That will be a waste of valuable insults. I'll save those for those that are privileged.
Lastly, you have a rare talent of making someone feel like they lost valuable brain cells trying to have a discussion with you. In this day and age I guess that's a trait to be proud of so keep on while I continue my inner battle to ignore you.
Over 2 millions tests have been done according to the press conference. That is why they are adjusting the models way down. They are improving the denominator.
Fewer deaths are win/win/win for us all, regardless of politics.
It would have been an even shittier shit/show if we didnt social distance. The economic damage is catastrophic unfortunately.
When we re-open, we have to be very smart about it. Make sure there is more testing capability than to-date.
I have to verify this as real or not, but I heard about .8% of the us population has actually been tested to-date.
@"purplefaithful" said: Fewer deaths are win/win/win for us all, regardless of politics.It would have been an even shittier shit/show if we didnt social distance. The economic damage is catastrophic unfortunately.
When we re-open, we have to be very smart about it. Make sure there is more testing capability than to-date.
I have to verify this as real or not, but I heard about .8% of the us population has actually been tested to-date.
Lines up with the over 2 million tests per the conference tonight based on total population.
Comparing US and Germany:
GermanyPopulation: 83.02 millionFirst case: January 27Cases: 118,235Recovered: 52,407Tests: 1,317,887Tests/Million: 15,730
USAPopulation: 327.2 millionFirst case: January 20Cases: 468,566Recovered: 25,316Tests: 2,353,096Tests/Million: 7,109
Germany, a country with 1/4 the population of US sandwiched with countries all around is able to test half the people the US has done yet some think we should be proud with 2 million tests till date. Look at the tests per million people Isn't that just pathetic?
@"mblack" said: Comparing US and Germany:GermanyPopulation: 83.02 millionFirst case: January 27Cases: 118,235Recovered: 52,407Tests: 1,317,887Tests / Million: 15,730 USAPopulation: 327.2 millionFirst case: January 20Cases: 468,566Recovered: 25,316Tests: 2,353,096Tests/Million: 7,109Germany, a country with 1/4 the population of US sandwiched with countries all around is able to test double the people than US yet some think we should be proud about 2 million tests till date. Isn't that just pathetic?
I dont think anyone is proud of it...Well, maybe Pence is.
Its poor as an absolute % and poor when looked at in tests/million pop too.
Germany got ahead of it big time with testing and its paying off. I believe they were some of the best in Europe and not far behind SK, Singapore and a few others.
@"purplefaithful" said:@"mblack" said: Comparing US and Germany:GermanyPopulation: 83.02 millionFirst case: January 27Cases: 118,235Recovered: 52,407Tests: 1,317,887Tests / Million: 15,730 USAPopulation: 327.2 millionFirst case: January 20Cases: 468,566Recovered: 25,316Tests: 2,353,096Tests/Million: 7,109Germany, a country with 1/4 the population of US sandwiched with countries all around is able to test double the people than US yet some think we should be proud about 2 million tests till date. Isn't that just pathetic?
I dont think anyone is proud of it...Well, maybe Pence is.Its poor as an absolute % and poor when looked at in tests/million pop too.
Germany got ahead of it big time with testing and its paying off. I believe they were some of the best in Europe and not far behind SK, Singapore and a few others.
Not just Pence.
At the bold.. but you will never hear that listening to our officials. We chose to blame everyone else. Also, their recovery rate is double what ours is. Rational people would know, that is a direct correlation with testing. Early detection would lead to early treatment (assuming we have that available - which is a different matter altogether)
I guess it only politics if it is pro Trump.
- Claim: Germany is testing at one of the highest per capita rates in the world, and is also testing individuals with light or no symptoms
- Claim: Germany's death rate is so low due to advanced planning and an excellent healthcare system
- Claim: One reason Germany's mortality rate is low is because Germans immediately stuck to the rules about social distancing
Every single freaking politician, both state and federal, both democratic and republican are more interested in persuading people to distrust the other party than they are in serving the best interests of the American people. EVERY SINGLE FREAKING ONE!
THAT is why this country is lagging behind other countries in this battle.
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