OT: Coronavirus
Wow....
I’ve flown in and out of Denver Airport roughly 50 times. I’ve never seen it empty like this.
Yeah, DIA is never that empty. My goodness, this thing has really gotten ahold of people. But I suspect that it's going to make a far bigger dent in the global economy than the global population.
What changes have you made? Personally, I have tickets to fly to San Francisco with my kids to see my brother in a couple of weeks. And, so far anyway, I plan to go. But I have to say I'm a little nervous about it, especially with my kids. Not as much about the virus as how people are panicking about it. A flight yesterday was rerouted to Denver because someone, um...sneezed. And I am narrowing in on some ridiculously priced tickets to Cancun in May. Am I crazy?
“A gentleman is someone who can play the accordion, but doesn't." - Tom Waits
Even the alien community is reaching out to help....
https://apple.news/AlFJfdO-ISZiGS0cPY9DEiA
New York hospitals discharge more coronavirus patients than they bring in for four straight days
Hospitals in the state of New York discharged more COVID-19 patients than they admitted for the fourth day in a row Saturday, a sign that the state hit hardest by the novel coronavirus from China may be moving in the right direction, The Epoch Times reported.
On Saturday, state data shows that New York hospitals admitted 574 COVID-19 patients while discharging 1,704. New York Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo called the trend "good news" during his Sunday news conference.
New German data show that 15 percent of people in one region have already been infected with CV (remember - more infections is good news, it means the virus is less dangerous) and the fatality rate is 0.37%.
https://www.bccourier.com/these-are-the-first-lessons-of-the-heinsberg-study/
- More than 431,000 people in the US have been infected, and more than 14,700 have died
- A record 1,858 deaths were reported in just one day Tuesday, according to Johns Hopkins.
- On Wednesday there were 1,922 more
- New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo told reporters Wednesday that there were 779 coronavirus-related deaths across the state Tuesday. It was the highest number of deaths reported in one day by New York officials.
- Researchers say the peak has yet to come. The US will reach its highest daily number of deaths on or around Sunday, according to modeling by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington in Seattle.
Don't know if anyone posted this here and not going to read 38 pages to find out but I think this info is of some value and gives some hope. It was a video chat from a few weeks ago. The doctor is at ground zero and has some useful thoughts on transmission and protection, etc. This is a condensed version of the longer original which has q/a and other stuff.
long version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcKTzefEJFM
@"comet52" said: Don't know if anyone posted this here and not going to read 38 pages to find out but I think this info is of some value and gives some hope. It was a video chat from a few weeks ago. The doctor is at ground zero and has some useful thoughts on transmission and protection, etc. This is a condensed version of the longer original which has q/a and other stuff.
Yup, my buddy works for Medtronic and sent to me a week or so ago. Really good advice from an expert on the front lines.
Key is to keep your hands out of your eyes, mouth and nose!!
Why, exactly, is toilet paper in short supply?
Nothing.
Yet millions of people have been panicking about their household supply. Store shelves have been emptied. Amazon is often out of stock. And social media is bursting with jokes and pleas for a roll or two.
The good news: Things are calming down, at least in the U.S., after a buying spree in mid-March. But it’s not yet clear when — if ever — buying habits will get back to normal.
Here's all you ever wanted to know about toilet paper during a pandemic:
WHY IS TOILET PAPER IN SHORT SUPPLY?
One reason is because people are hoarding. Some were stockpiling last month in advance of city and state lockdown orders. It’s a common reaction in times of a crisis, when consumers feel a need for control and security, says David Garfield, global leader of the consumer products practice at AlixPartners, a consulting firm.
NCSolutions, a data and consulting firm, said online and in-store U.S. toilet paper sales rose 51% between Feb. 24 and March 10, as buyers started getting uneasy about the growing number of virus cases. But sales rocketed a whopping 845% on March 11 and 12 as states announced lockdowns.
WHAT ARE SOME OTHER REASONS FOR THE SHORTAGES?
Toilet paper flows from paper mills to retail stores through a tight, efficient supply chain. Toilet paper is bulky and not very profitable, so retailers don’t keep a lot of inventory on hand; they just get frequent shipments and restock their shelves.
“You never noticed because it’s so well-managed,” said Jim Luke, an economics professor at Lansing Community College in Michigan, who used to be a strategist for a toilet paper distribution company.
The amount of toilet paper the average American uses hasn't changed; it's still around 141 rolls per year (compared to 134 rolls in Germany and just 49 rolls in China, AlixParters says). But even small changes in buying habits can throw everything into disarray.
With a regional disruption like a hurricane, stores can redirect some inventory to the affected area. But a global pandemic doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room.
CAN'T COMPANIES JUST MAKE MORE TOILET PAPER?
The big three U.S. toilet paper companies — Georgia-Pacific LLC, Proctor & Gamble Co. and Kimberly-Clark Corp. — were already running their toilet paper plants 24 hours a day before the new coronavirus hit. That’s the only way they can make a profit on such a low-margin product.
The companies are trying to increase output by making fewer varieties of toilet paper. They’re also trying to get the product to stores more quickly. Atlanta-based Georgia-Pacific is working with packaging suppliers to get more materials and maximizing the number of deliveries it can ship from its facilities.
CAN SUPPLIES BE REDIRECTED TO HOUSEHOLDS INSTEAD OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE NOW CLOSED?
No. Commercial toilet paper uses a different kind of pulp and is produced on different machines. Many institutional rolls are intentionally larger, so cleaning staff don’t have to refill them as often and people don’t steal them, Luke said. Plusher toilet paper for home use also has different packaging requirements, Garfield said.
Prior to the coronavirus crisis, about half of U.S. toilet paper sales were commercial, while the other half were for homes, Garfield said. That’s changing; AlixPartners estimates U.S. household demand is up 40% as offices and schools close.
But Georgia-Pacific said commercial demand hasn’t yet fallen. It has seen a surge of orders from hospitals and other essential businesses that are still operating.
ARE SUPPLIES IN GROCERIES AND OTHER RETAILERS IMPROVING?
Demand has softened a bit since mid-March, so that should make it easier to find toilet paper. NCSolutions said sales are down 62% right now compared to the “extreme buying period” of March 11-24. But they’re still 6% higher than they were before the new coronavirus hit the U.S.
Kroger, the nation’s biggest grocery chain, said most of its stores are now getting truckloads of paper products every day or every other day. Kroger and other retailers have also established limits on the amount of toilet paper people can buy at one time.
WHEN WILL THINGS GET BACK TO NORMAL?
Nobody knows. For one thing, the new coronavirus could permanently increase the demand for household toilet paper.
“Will the workforce go back to work like they did before? If people work from home, this could be much more prolonged,” says NCSolutions CEO Linda Dupree.
Raising prices on toilet paper — as was done in 1973 during the oil embargo — might curb hoarding, Garfield said. But it would make it harder for some consumers to afford.
ARE THERE WAYS TO CUT DOWN ON TOILET PAPER USE?
U.S. searches for “bidet” reached an all-time high in March, according to Google Trends. Tushy, which makes a $100 bidet attachment for toilets, said its sales spiked in mid-March, hitting $1 million in a single day. Sales are still running 10 times ahead of projections, Tushy said.
@"purplefaithful" said: Why, exactly, is toilet paper in short supply?By DEE-ANN DURBIN Associated PressApril 9, 2020 — 11:53amWhat does toilet paper have to do with a global pandemic?Nothing.
Yet millions of people have been panicking about their household supply. Store shelves have been emptied. Amazon is often out of stock. And social media is bursting with jokes and pleas for a roll or two.
The good news: Things are calming down, at least in the U.S., after a buying spree in mid-March. But it’s not yet clear when — if ever — buying habits will get back to normal.
Here's all you ever wanted to know about toilet paper during a pandemic:
WHY IS TOILET PAPER IN SHORT SUPPLY?
One reason is because people are hoarding. Some were stockpiling last month in advance of city and state lockdown orders. It’s a common reaction in times of a crisis, when consumers feel a need for control and security, says David Garfield, global leader of the consumer products practice at AlixPartners, a consulting firm.
NCSolutions, a data and consulting firm, said online and in-store U.S. toilet paper sales rose 51% between Feb. 24 and March 10, as buyers started getting uneasy about the growing number of virus cases. But sales rocketed a whopping 845% on March 11 and 12 as states announced lockdowns.
WHAT ARE SOME OTHER REASONS FOR THE SHORTAGES?
Toilet paper flows from paper mills to retail stores through a tight, efficient supply chain. Toilet paper is bulky and not very profitable, so retailers don’t keep a lot of inventory on hand; they just get frequent shipments and restock their shelves.
“You never noticed because it’s so well-managed,” said Jim Luke, an economics professor at Lansing Community College in Michigan, who used to be a strategist for a toilet paper distribution company.
The amount of toilet paper the average American uses hasn't changed; it's still around 141 rolls per year (compared to 134 rolls in Germany and just 49 rolls in China, AlixParters says). But even small changes in buying habits can throw everything into disarray.
With a regional disruption like a hurricane, stores can redirect some inventory to the affected area. But a global pandemic doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room.
CAN'T COMPANIES JUST MAKE MORE TOILET PAPER?
The big three U.S. toilet paper companies — Georgia-Pacific LLC, Proctor & Gamble Co. and Kimberly-Clark Corp. — were already running their toilet paper plants 24 hours a day before the new coronavirus hit. That’s the only way they can make a profit on such a low-margin product.
The companies are trying to increase output by making fewer varieties of toilet paper. They’re also trying to get the product to stores more quickly. Atlanta-based Georgia-Pacific is working with packaging suppliers to get more materials and maximizing the number of deliveries it can ship from its facilities.
CAN SUPPLIES BE REDIRECTED TO HOUSEHOLDS INSTEAD OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE NOW CLOSED?
No. Commercial toilet paper uses a different kind of pulp and is produced on different machines. Many institutional rolls are intentionally larger, so cleaning staff don’t have to refill them as often and people don’t steal them, Luke said. Plusher toilet paper for home use also has different packaging requirements, Garfield said.
Prior to the coronavirus crisis, about half of U.S. toilet paper sales were commercial, while the other half were for homes, Garfield said. That’s changing; AlixPartners estimates U.S. household demand is up 40% as offices and schools close.
But Georgia-Pacific said commercial demand hasn’t yet fallen. It has seen a surge of orders from hospitals and other essential businesses that are still operating.
ARE SUPPLIES IN GROCERIES AND OTHER RETAILERS IMPROVING?
Demand has softened a bit since mid-March, so that should make it easier to find toilet paper. NCSolutions said sales are down 62% right now compared to the “extreme buying period” of March 11-24. But they’re still 6% higher than they were before the new coronavirus hit the U.S.
Kroger, the nation’s biggest grocery chain, said most of its stores are now getting truckloads of paper products every day or every other day. Kroger and other retailers have also established limits on the amount of toilet paper people can buy at one time.
WHEN WILL THINGS GET BACK TO NORMAL?
Nobody knows. For one thing, the new coronavirus could permanently increase the demand for household toilet paper.
“Will the workforce go back to work like they did before? If people work from home, this could be much more prolonged,” says NCSolutions CEO Linda Dupree.
Raising prices on toilet paper — as was done in 1973 during the oil embargo — might curb hoarding, Garfield said. But it would make it harder for some consumers to afford.
ARE THERE WAYS TO CUT DOWN ON TOILET PAPER USE?
U.S. searches for “bidet” reached an all-time high in March, according to Google Trends. Tushy, which makes a $100 bidet attachment for toilets, said its sales spiked in mid-March, hitting $1 million in a single day. Sales are still running 10 times ahead of projections, Tushy said.
The last three times I went shopping, there was plenty to be found. Try the natural foods stores--whole foods, sprouts, etc. People who shop there tend to be a little more educated...and less "hoardy."
@"A1Janitor" said: After @CBSNews was called out for airing footage of a hospital in Italy and saying it was New York, they apologized and said it was an error.Less than a week later, they aired the same footage, this time when talking about Pennsylvania.
I work in media and this sort of thing happens all the time. Like every single day. 99.9% of the time no one notices or cares because they're not trying to force a political agenda onto everything they see.
My daughter, who lives elsewhere, pointed out this could be a cultural thing. They have bidets over there, along with tp, people are not really hoarding in her part of the world. Bet Amazon may have some interesting reviews.
https://advancemyhouse.com/do-you-use-toilet-paper-with-a-bidet-breaking-the-mystery/
I may never shake hands with a person from China again.....
@"A1Janitor" said: https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/city-hall/story/2020/04/07/javits-center-and-usns-comfort-have-a-combined-110-patients-1273409So the Stay at home orders have really made an impact in curbing the virus. I would prefer my governor over prepare and then not need the resources. I am sure if the virus hits another State hard then NY will be sending their resources. States like Washington, Oregon sent some extra supplies/vents to NY in a show of unity and now those resources can be sourced where needed most. It is wonderful to see the "United States" of American work together as one.NEW YORK — The military-run hospitals at the Javits Center and onboard the USNS Comfort remain mostly empty — so far treating only 110 patients between them, Pentagon officials said Tuesday. Both facilities were established in New York after Gov. Andrew Cuomo and Mayor Bill de Blasio begged for federal support last month to manage the spiraling outbreak of the coronavirus, but they have been hampered by logistical and communication constraints, officials said. Javits, the sprawling convention center on the West Side of Manhattan, has a capacity for 2,500 people but so far has 66 patients. The Comfort, the Navy hospital ship docked in the Hudson River, has 44 patients out of a capacity for 500.Javits Center and USNS Comfort have a combined 110 patientsBy ERIN DURKIN 04/07/2020 04:46 PM EDT
@"minny65" said:I heard today that many NYC deaths could have been avoided if the mayor and governor acted sooner.@"A1Janitor" said: https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/city-hall/story/2020/04/07/javits-center-and-usns-comfort-have-a-combined-110-patients-1273409So the Stay at home orders have really made an impact in curbing the virus. I would prefer my governor over prepare and then not need the resources. I am sure if the virus hits another State hard then NY will be sending their resources. States like Washington, Oregon sent some extra supplies/vents to NY in a show of unity and now those resources can be sourced where needed most. It is wonderful to see the "United States" of American work together as one.NEW YORK — The military-run hospitals at the Javits Center and onboard the USNS Comfort remain mostly empty — so far treating only 110 patients between them, Pentagon officials said Tuesday. Both facilities were established in New York after Gov. Andrew Cuomo and Mayor Bill de Blasio begged for federal support last month to manage the spiraling outbreak of the coronavirus, but they have been hampered by logistical and communication constraints, officials said. Javits, the sprawling convention center on the West Side of Manhattan, has a capacity for 2,500 people but so far has 66 patients. The Comfort, the Navy hospital ship docked in the Hudson River, has 44 patients out of a capacity for 500.Javits Center and USNS Comfort have a combined 110 patientsBy ERIN DURKIN 04/07/2020 04:46 PM EDT
@"A1Janitor" said:Is that a revelation? I mean, isn't it obvious that deaths could have been avoided if every mayor in every city and every governor in every state acted sooner?@"minny65" said:I heard today that many NYC deaths could have been avoided if the mayor and governor acted sooner.@"A1Janitor" said: https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/city-hall/story/2020/04/07/javits-center-and-usns-comfort-have-a-combined-110-patients-1273409So the Stay at home orders have really made an impact in curbing the virus. I would prefer my governor over prepare and then not need the resources. I am sure if the virus hits another State hard then NY will be sending their resources. States like Washington, Oregon sent some extra supplies/vents to NY in a show of unity and now those resources can be sourced where needed most. It is wonderful to see the "United States" of American work together as one.NEW YORK — The military-run hospitals at the Javits Center and onboard the USNS Comfort remain mostly empty — so far treating only 110 patients between them, Pentagon officials said Tuesday. Both facilities were established in New York after Gov. Andrew Cuomo and Mayor Bill de Blasio begged for federal support last month to manage the spiraling outbreak of the coronavirus, but they have been hampered by logistical and communication constraints, officials said. Javits, the sprawling convention center on the West Side of Manhattan, has a capacity for 2,500 people but so far has 66 patients. The Comfort, the Navy hospital ship docked in the Hudson River, has 44 patients out of a capacity for 500.Javits Center and USNS Comfort have a combined 110 patientsBy ERIN DURKIN 04/07/2020 04:46 PM EDT
@"MaroonBells" said:It's looking like CA and maybe Washington State are the best in class examples so far...I say that with trepidation with my kid in LA.@"A1Janitor" said:Is that a revelation? I mean, isn't it obvious that deaths could have been avoided if every mayor in every city and every governor in every state acted sooner?@"minny65" said:I heard today that many NYC deaths could have been avoided if the mayor and governor acted sooner.@"A1Janitor" said: https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/city-hall/story/2020/04/07/javits-center-and-usns-comfort-have-a-combined-110-patients-1273409So the Stay at home orders have really made an impact in curbing the virus. I would prefer my governor over prepare and then not need the resources. I am sure if the virus hits another State hard then NY will be sending their resources. States like Washington, Oregon sent some extra supplies/vents to NY in a show of unity and now those resources can be sourced where needed most. It is wonderful to see the "United States" of American work together as one.NEW YORK — The military-run hospitals at the Javits Center and onboard the USNS Comfort remain mostly empty — so far treating only 110 patients between them, Pentagon officials said Tuesday. Both facilities were established in New York after Gov. Andrew Cuomo and Mayor Bill de Blasio begged for federal support last month to manage the spiraling outbreak of the coronavirus, but they have been hampered by logistical and communication constraints, officials said. Javits, the sprawling convention center on the West Side of Manhattan, has a capacity for 2,500 people but so far has 66 patients. The Comfort, the Navy hospital ship docked in the Hudson River, has 44 patients out of a capacity for 500.Javits Center and USNS Comfort have a combined 110 patientsBy ERIN DURKIN 04/07/2020 04:46 PM EDT
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