You use the reservation as an example of entitlement and making a choice? Just wow, history is lost on some folk.
Quote: @pumpf said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ pumpf said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ pumpf said:
Yeah, gun control is doing wonders in Chicago.
That's one I never heard.
Roll eyes now.
Well, it's true. Chicago and DC are 2 of the most "gun-controlled" cities in the world... and yet they have the highest gun violence rates. Liberals keep pushing for gun control- but they never seem to be able to explain how new rules are going to save more lives.
Meanwhile, they're voting for "leaders" who are now openly advocating for infanticide. That hardly seems to align with their views about trying to "save the children".
By the way, I'll just leave this here for y'all:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/43930/hate-crime-hoax-trans-person-burned-down-own-home-ryan-saavedra
In related news, Ethiopia received more US aid than any other country in the world to combat famine and hunger. And yet hunger remains a problem there. Not that I would expect a conservative evangelical to know the first thing about the least among us.
Genuine question, Maroon: why do you so often resort to personal attacks when someone doesn't agree with you?
As for Ethiopia, that's a great talking point. But it really doesn't apply to the gun control debate. It might raise a question about whether or not "welfare" (i.e. "giving people stuff") is the best way to help those who are impoverished. I suppose one could make the case- using your stat- that welfare doesn't work.
Oh climb off your cross, Pumpf. No one is attacking you.
I'm not talking about policy here. I'm saying that you can't point to Chicago and DC as places where gun control has failed any more than you can point to Ethiopia as a place where aid does no good. Chicago and DC are places of violence. Ethiopia is a place of poverty and famine. Aid is sent there precisely because that is where it's needed. It would be like mocking mission work in shit-hole countries by pointing out all the suffering there. Not that it's your problem. Or that you care. Just pointing it out.
Quote: @BigAl99 said:
You use the reservation as an example of entitlement and making a choice? Just wow, history is lost on some folk.
who did? I certainly didnt.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ BigAl99 said:
You use the reservation as an example of entitlement and making a choice? Just wow, history is lost on some folk.
who did? I certainly didnt.
The straw man holding a red herring did.
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Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ pumpf said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ pumpf said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ pumpf said:
Yeah, gun control is doing wonders in Chicago.
That's one I never heard.
Roll eyes now.
Well, it's true. Chicago and DC are 2 of the most "gun-controlled" cities in the world... and yet they have the highest gun violence rates. Liberals keep pushing for gun control- but they never seem to be able to explain how new rules are going to save more lives.
Meanwhile, they're voting for "leaders" who are now openly advocating for infanticide. That hardly seems to align with their views about trying to "save the children".
By the way, I'll just leave this here for y'all:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/43930/hate-crime-hoax-trans-person-burned-down-own-home-ryan-saavedra
In related news, Ethiopia received more US aid than any other country in the world to combat famine and hunger. And yet hunger remains a problem there. Not that I would expect a conservative evangelical to know the first thing about the least among us.
Genuine question, Maroon: why do you so often resort to personal attacks when someone doesn't agree with you?
As for Ethiopia, that's a great talking point. But it really doesn't apply to the gun control debate. It might raise a question about whether or not "welfare" (i.e. "giving people stuff") is the best way to help those who are impoverished. I suppose one could make the case- using your stat- that welfare doesn't work.
Oh climb off your cross, Pumpf. No one is attacking you.
oh, but you did. And every other Christian
" Not that I would expect a conservative evangelical to know the first thing about the least among us. "
Quote: @greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ pumpf said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ pumpf said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ pumpf said:
Yeah, gun control is doing wonders in Chicago.
That's one I never heard.
Roll eyes now.
Well, it's true. Chicago and DC are 2 of the most "gun-controlled" cities in the world... and yet they have the highest gun violence rates. Liberals keep pushing for gun control- but they never seem to be able to explain how new rules are going to save more lives.
Meanwhile, they're voting for "leaders" who are now openly advocating for infanticide. That hardly seems to align with their views about trying to "save the children".
By the way, I'll just leave this here for y'all:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/43930/hate-crime-hoax-trans-person-burned-down-own-home-ryan-saavedra
In related news, Ethiopia received more US aid than any other country in the world to combat famine and hunger. And yet hunger remains a problem there. Not that I would expect a conservative evangelical to know the first thing about the least among us.
Genuine question, Maroon: why do you so often resort to personal attacks when someone doesn't agree with you?
As for Ethiopia, that's a great talking point. But it really doesn't apply to the gun control debate. It might raise a question about whether or not "welfare" (i.e. "giving people stuff") is the best way to help those who are impoverished. I suppose one could make the case- using your stat- that welfare doesn't work.
Oh climb off your cross, Pumpf. No one is attacking you.
oh, but you did. And every other Christian
" Not that I would expect a conservative evangelical to know the first thing about the least among us. "
Dude, I AM a Christian! But for the life of me I've never understood this modern American conservative evangelical brand of it. It's a uniquely American thing too. Doesn't really exist anywhere else in the world. And it's a relatively new phenomenon. But man, it's mean spirited, bigoted, it's like you completely ignore a big part of the Bible.
What happened to the sermon on the mount? What happened to "I was hungry and you gave me food. I was thirsty and you gave me drink. I was a stranger and you welcomed me?" "Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers." "Remember those in prison as if you were in prison, those who are being tortured as if you were being tortured." "The alien who resides in you shall be to you as the citizen among you. You shall love the alien as yourself. For you were aliens in the land of Egypt." "Cursed is anyone who withholds justice from the foreigner, the fatherless or the widow."
See, I don't have a problem with Christ. I have a problem with this ugly brand of modern, American, conservative, anti-science, greed-is-good, gun-totin', torture-lovin, immigrant hating Christianity that doesn't seem to want anything to do with Him.
I think of jackstands like Joel Osteen who drive to church in their $500,000 Italian sports cars and utterly despicable human beings like Donald Trump and his fake university and his racist birther hoax, and an entire roster of televangelists stealing money from the sick and the poor on a weekly basis...
...and I contrast that with a guy like Jimmy Carter, living in his $167,000 home, flying coach, building houses for the poor....
Yeah, you guys LOVE Jimmy Carter. But that's the kind of Christian I aspire to be. And I want nothing to do with your brand of it.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ pumpf said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ pumpf said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ pumpf said:
Yeah, gun control is doing wonders in Chicago.
That's one I never heard.
Roll eyes now.
Well, it's true. Chicago and DC are 2 of the most "gun-controlled" cities in the world... and yet they have the highest gun violence rates. Liberals keep pushing for gun control- but they never seem to be able to explain how new rules are going to save more lives.
Meanwhile, they're voting for "leaders" who are now openly advocating for infanticide. That hardly seems to align with their views about trying to "save the children".
By the way, I'll just leave this here for y'all:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/43930/hate-crime-hoax-trans-person-burned-down-own-home-ryan-saavedra
In related news, Ethiopia received more US aid than any other country in the world to combat famine and hunger. And yet hunger remains a problem there. Not that I would expect a conservative evangelical to know the first thing about the least among us.
Genuine question, Maroon: why do you so often resort to personal attacks when someone doesn't agree with you?
As for Ethiopia, that's a great talking point. But it really doesn't apply to the gun control debate. It might raise a question about whether or not "welfare" (i.e. "giving people stuff") is the best way to help those who are impoverished. I suppose one could make the case- using your stat- that welfare doesn't work.
Oh climb off your cross, Pumpf. No one is attacking you.
oh, but you did. And every other Christian
" Not that I would expect a conservative evangelical to know the first thing about the least among us. "
Dude, I AM a Christian! But for the life of me I've never understood this modern American conservative evangelical brand of it. It's a uniquely American thing too. Doesn't really exist anywhere else in the world. And it's a relatively new phenomenon. But man, it's mean spirited, bigoted, it's like you completely ignore a big part of the Bible.
What happened to the sermon on the mount? What happened to "I was hungry and you gave me food. I was thirsty and you gave me drink. I was a stranger and you welcomed me?" "Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers." "Remember those in prison as if you were in prison, those who are being tortured as if you were being tortured." "The alien who resides in you shall be to you as the citizen among you. You shall love the alien as yourself. For you were aliens in the land of Egypt." "Cursed is anyone who withholds justice from the foreigner, the fatherless or the widow."
See, I don't have a problem with Christ. I have a problem with this ugly brand of modern, American, conservative, anti-science, greed-is-good, gun-totin', torture-lovin, immigrant hating Christianity that doesn't seem to want anything to do with Him.
I think of jackstands like Joel Osteen who drive to church in their $500,000 Italian sports cars and utterly despicable human beings like Donald Trump and his fake university and his racist birther hoax, and an entire roster of televangelists stealing money from the sick and the poor on a weekly basis...
...and I contrast that with a guy like Jimmy Carter, living in his $167,000 home, flying coach, building houses for the poor....
Yeah, you guys LOVE Jimmy Carter. But that's the kind of Christian I aspire to be. And I want nothing to do with your brand of it.
which is the better Christian, the one that sins all week and then sits in the front pew of the church on Sunday... or the one that acts Christian all week until Sunday and then judges those that are sitting in the front pews? I am not saying, IMO its between an individual and their savior, but personally I think we are all likely a long long way from what God wants of us and sitting and judging others efforts (or lack of) is about as hypocritical as we can be in the name of our faith.
Peace to you both.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Oh climb off your cross, Pumpf. No one is attacking you.
oh, but you did. And every other Christian
" Not that I would expect a conservative evangelical to know the first thing about the least among us. "
Dude, I AM a Christian! But for the life of me I've never understood this modern American conservative evangelical brand of it. It's a uniquely American thing too. Doesn't really exist anywhere else in the world. And it's a relatively new phenomenon. But man, it's mean spirited, bigoted, it's like you completely ignore a big part of the Bible.
What happened to the sermon on the mount? What happened to "I was hungry and you gave me food. I was thirsty and you gave me drink. I was a stranger and you welcomed me?" "Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers." "Remember those in prison as if you were in prison, those who are being tortured as if you were being tortured." "The alien who resides in you shall be to you as the citizen among you. You shall love the alien as yourself. For you were aliens in the land of Egypt." "Cursed is anyone who withholds justice from the foreigner, the fatherless or the widow."
See, I don't have a problem with Christ. I have a problem with this ugly brand of modern, American, conservative, anti-science, greed-is-good, gun-totin', torture-lovin, immigrant hating Christianity that doesn't seem to want anything to do with Him.
I think of jackstands like Joel Osteen who drive to church in their $500,000 Italian sports cars and utterly despicable human beings like Donald Trump and his fake university and his racist birther hoax, and an entire roster of televangelists stealing money from the sick and the poor on a weekly basis...
...and I contrast that with a guy like Jimmy Carter, living in his $167,000 home, flying coach, building houses for the poor....
Yeah, you guys LOVE Jimmy Carter. But that's the kind of Christian I aspire to be. And I want nothing to do with your brand of it.
Joel Osteen? Another fine straw man. That dude isn't even Christian by most aspects. Televangelists? Yeah, that sounds like Pumpf.
As to Christianity, how about treat others as you wish to be treated. Your ad hominem name calling crap doesn't fly. And how do you get off saying others ignore a big part of the Bible. You don't even know us.
If you want to go down that road, how can any democrat claim to be Christian after the recent vote in the senate where all but 3 are okay with infanticide. I don't much like Trump, but at least he doesn't mince words when he calls them out. He might not be a model Christian or at Christian at all (not sure what he believes) but his defense of life is unparalleled in this age of milquetoast waffling.
You can paint with your broad brush in condemnation, but yet pick and choose which select verses you wish to follow.
I'm the kind of Christian who fears I'm not as good of Christian as I should be. That I guess makes me the kind of Christian that Christ died for. So I'm good then...right?
Boy I coulda done without the I'm a better Christian then you argument. I've been in kinda of a pissy mood all day and don't really know why. Damn rain.
Quote: @suncoastvike said:
I'm the kind of Christian who fears I'm not as good of Christian as I should be. That I guess makes me the kind of Christian that Christ died for. So I'm good then...right?
Boy I coulda done without the I'm a better Christian then you argument. I've been in kinda of a pissy mood all day and don't really know why. Damn rain.
I agree. I am not trying to get into comparative religious tests, but just needed to object to someone throwing that accusation out there.
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