OT: Jussie Smollett
Seriously....wtf? What did he think he was going to accomplish? Such a dumbass. The interview he had with Robin Roberts was a #$%^ing joke.
Bye bye career.
@"suncoastvike" said:@"pumpf" said:@"suncoastvike" said:@"pumpf" said:
Yeah, gun control is doing wonders in Chicago.
That's one I never heard.
Roll eyes now.
Well, it's true. Chicago and DC are 2 of the most "gun-controlled" cities in the world... and yet they have the highest gun violence rates. Liberals keep pushing for gun control- but they never seem to be able to explain how new rules are going to save more lives.
Meanwhile, they're voting for "leaders" who are now openly advocating for infanticide. That hardly seems to align with their views about trying to "save the children".By the way, I'll just leave this here for y'all:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/43930/hate-crime-hoax-trans-person-burned-down-own-home-ryan-saavedra
Didn't mean anything personal pumpf. I don't dispute that DC, Chicago or any major city has gun violence problems. Is that a symptom of failed gun laws or poverty and the violence that goes with it? That is the real question. That statement is over used and just simplifies real problems people are just trying to survive through. That's why I don't like those sound bites. Wasn't trying to personally attack you. Just the simple funny little message that too many use to joke away lives in danger everyday.
If people want to start actual conversations about how to best deal with the real life issues in these inner-cities. Stop with the tired over used sound bites. However "true" they may be.
i say the same thing about BLM... but our last president embraced those sound bites and added a bull horn, and now we are left with the shitty leftovers and the people that were heralding obama when he was echoing those sentiments and building the racial unrest and mistrust are tying to put the blame solely on Trump? want to know why inner city black kids get targeted, because thats where the crime is and in those areas its young black males committing the majority of the crimes.Trump isnt innocent in this, but all he did was cash in on the mistrust created by obamas racial/racist rhetoric, obama paved trumps path to the whitehouse IMO.
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"suncoastvike" said:@"pumpf" said:@"suncoastvike" said:@"pumpf" said:
Yeah, gun control is doing wonders in Chicago.
That's one I never heard.
Roll eyes now.
Well, it's true. Chicago and DC are 2 of the most "gun-controlled" cities in the world... and yet they have the highest gun violence rates. Liberals keep pushing for gun control- but they never seem to be able to explain how new rules are going to save more lives.
Meanwhile, they're voting for "leaders" who are now openly advocating for infanticide. That hardly seems to align with their views about trying to "save the children".By the way, I'll just leave this here for y'all:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/43930/hate-crime-hoax-trans-person-burned-down-own-home-ryan-saavedra
Didn't mean anything personal pumpf. I don't dispute that DC, Chicago or any major city has gun violence problems. Is that a symptom of failed gun laws or poverty and the violence that goes with it? That is the real question. That statement is over used and just simplifies real problems people are just trying to survive through. That's why I don't like those sound bites. Wasn't trying to personally attack you. Just the simple funny little message that too many use to joke away lives in danger everyday.
If people want to start actual conversations about how to best deal with the real life issues in these inner-cities. Stop with the tired over used sound bites. However "true" they may be.
i say the same thing about BLM... but our last president embraced those sound bites and added a bull horn, and now we are left with the shitty leftovers and the people that were heralding obama when he was echoing those sentiments and building the racial unrest and mistrust are tying to put the blame solely on Trump? want to know why inner city black kids get targeted, because thats where the crime is and in those areas its young black males committing the majority of the crimes.Trump isnt innocent in this, but all he did was cash in on the mistrust created by obamas racial/racist rhetoric, obama paved trumps path to the whitehouse IMO.
Yep communication breaks down once people resort to jabs and sound bites. I also thinks Obama over stepped his bounds. I never liked how he played the whole Trayvon Martin/Zimmerman case here. His pushing forced the state attorney into a case they didn't want or think they could win. Then when they didn't it just created more outrage. Obama had his part to play I agree. He's gone now but obviously not in some minds. Now it's just blame games.
@"suncoastvike" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"suncoastvike" said:@"pumpf" said:@"suncoastvike" said:@"pumpf" said:
Yeah, gun control is doing wonders in Chicago.
That's one I never heard.
Roll eyes now.
Well, it's true. Chicago and DC are 2 of the most "gun-controlled" cities in the world... and yet they have the highest gun violence rates. Liberals keep pushing for gun control- but they never seem to be able to explain how new rules are going to save more lives.
Meanwhile, they're voting for "leaders" who are now openly advocating for infanticide. That hardly seems to align with their views about trying to "save the children".By the way, I'll just leave this here for y'all:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/43930/hate-crime-hoax-trans-person-burned-down-own-home-ryan-saavedra
Didn't mean anything personal pumpf. I don't dispute that DC, Chicago or any major city has gun violence problems. Is that a symptom of failed gun laws or poverty and the violence that goes with it? That is the real question. That statement is over used and just simplifies real problems people are just trying to survive through. That's why I don't like those sound bites. Wasn't trying to personally attack you. Just the simple funny little message that too many use to joke away lives in danger everyday.
If people want to start actual conversations about how to best deal with the real life issues in these inner-cities. Stop with the tired over used sound bites. However "true" they may be.
i say the same thing about BLM... but our last president embraced those sound bites and added a bull horn, and now we are left with the shitty leftovers and the people that were heralding obama when he was echoing those sentiments and building the racial unrest and mistrust are tying to put the blame solely on Trump? want to know why inner city black kids get targeted, because thats where the crime is and in those areas its young black males committing the majority of the crimes.Trump isnt innocent in this, but all he did was cash in on the mistrust created by obamas racial/racist rhetoric, obama paved trumps path to the whitehouse IMO.
Yep communication breaks down once people resort to jabs and sound bites. I also thinks Obama over stepped his bounds. I never liked how he played the whole Trayvon Martin/Zimmerman case here. His pushing forced the state attorney into a case they didn't want or think they could win. Then when they didn't it just created more outrage. Obama had his part to play I agree. He's gone now but obviously not in some minds. Now it's just blame games.
Seems to be plenty of folks blaming trump for every perceived wrong in this country, many of which he inherited...but that is hardly a new direction for our country. Far to long we have accepted the status quo yet we lunge for every promise of change. I think that is exactly why the political superpowers in this country hate trump so much....right or wrong, he is trying something's and not following the old playbooks which makes those holding the strings nervous.
@"suncoastvike" said:@"pumpf" said:@"suncoastvike" said:@"pumpf" said:
Yeah, gun control is doing wonders in Chicago.
That's one I never heard.
Roll eyes now.
Well, it's true. Chicago and DC are 2 of the most "gun-controlled" cities in the world... and yet they have the highest gun violence rates. Liberals keep pushing for gun control- but they never seem to be able to explain how new rules are going to save more lives.
Meanwhile, they're voting for "leaders" who are now openly advocating for infanticide. That hardly seems to align with their views about trying to "save the children".By the way, I'll just leave this here for y'all:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/43930/hate-crime-hoax-trans-person-burned-down-own-home-ryan-saavedra
Didn't mean anything personal pumpf. I don't dispute that DC, Chicago or any major city has gun violence problems. Is that a symptom of failed gun laws or poverty and the violence that goes with it? That is the real question. That statement is over used and just simplifies real problems people are just trying to survive through. That's why I don't like those sound bites. Wasn't trying to personally attack you. Just the simple funny little message that too many use to joke away lives in danger everyday.
If people want to start actual conversations about how to best deal with the real life issues in these inner-cities. Stop with the tired over used sound bites. However "true" they may be.
I didn't think you were attacking me. My comment was directed towards Maroon. And, while you're correct about gun violence (and violence in general)- that there is not one "simple" solution, it appears that that is the view of those screaming for gun control. Every study I've ever read says that violence (and poverty, for that matter) are the result of choices made by parents... which impact (and influence) their children. Children that grow up in certain kinds of environments have been shown to be most often (and directly) impacted by their family of origin. Yet those who say that they care the most... mention "personal responsibility" the least. THAT is the easiest way to fix most of our society's ills: better parenting. But fewer and fewer parents take that responsibility seriously... which, in turn, leads to alot of the problems that we see.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"pumpf" said:@"suncoastvike" said:@"pumpf" said:
Yeah, gun control is doing wonders in Chicago.
That's one I never heard.
Roll eyes now.
Well, it's true. Chicago and DC are 2 of the most "gun-controlled" cities in the world... and yet they have the highest gun violence rates. Liberals keep pushing for gun control- but they never seem to be able to explain how new rules are going to save more lives.
Meanwhile, they're voting for "leaders" who are now openly advocating for infanticide. That hardly seems to align with their views about trying to "save the children".By the way, I'll just leave this here for y'all:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/43930/hate-crime-hoax-trans-person-burned-down-own-home-ryan-saavedraIn related news, Ethiopia received more US aid than any other country in the world to combat famine and hunger. And yet hunger remains a problem there. Not that I would expect a conservative evangelical to know the first thing about the least among us.
So government charity is the answer? Hmm, wonder why "conservative evangelicals" would have an issue with government run healthcare, gun control...Or why these conversations devolve into crap when you throw that shit out there. Sounds like a liberal talking point, when all else fails take the anti-christian holier than thou stance. It looks good on ya.
@"pumpf" said:@"suncoastvike" said:@"pumpf" said:@"suncoastvike" said:@"pumpf" said:
Yeah, gun control is doing wonders in Chicago.
That's one I never heard.
Roll eyes now.
Well, it's true. Chicago and DC are 2 of the most "gun-controlled" cities in the world... and yet they have the highest gun violence rates. Liberals keep pushing for gun control- but they never seem to be able to explain how new rules are going to save more lives.
Meanwhile, they're voting for "leaders" who are now openly advocating for infanticide. That hardly seems to align with their views about trying to "save the children".By the way, I'll just leave this here for y'all:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/43930/hate-crime-hoax-trans-person-burned-down-own-home-ryan-saavedra
Didn't mean anything personal pumpf. I don't dispute that DC, Chicago or any major city has gun violence problems. Is that a symptom of failed gun laws or poverty and the violence that goes with it? That is the real question. That statement is over used and just simplifies real problems people are just trying to survive through. That's why I don't like those sound bites. Wasn't trying to personally attack you. Just the simple funny little message that too many use to joke away lives in danger everyday.
If people want to start actual conversations about how to best deal with the real life issues in these inner-cities. Stop with the tired over used sound bites. However "true" they may be.
I didn't think you were attacking me. My comment was directed towards Maroon. And, while you're correct about gun violence (and violence in general)- that there is not one "simple" solution, it appears that that is the view of those screaming for gun control. Every study I've ever read says that violence (and poverty, for that matter) are the result of choices made by parents... which impact (and influence) their children. Children that grow up in certain kinds of environments have been shown to be most often (and directly) impacted by their family of origin. Yet those who say that they care the most... mention "personal responsibility" the least. THAT is the easiest way to fix most of our society's ills: better parenting. But fewer and fewer parents take that responsibility seriously... which, in turn, leads to alot of the problems that we see.
It's sometimes parenting. Sometimes peer pressure that even mom's that try can't control. Too many absentee dads. It's alot easier to parent in a nice sub division then a apartment in the hood as far as outside influences. Sometimes it's just young men angry and giving up so they choose to take what they think they deserve. Then mostly just end up getting what they do deserve. Just try and compete in a tough job market with that record then. Many layers no doubt.
Going to hijack this thread, and ask a question referring to the tittle of this topic.
If he wanted to be a victim of a hate crime so badly, why didn't he just put on a MAGA hat?
He would have got beat up for free.
@"suncoastvike" said:@"pumpf" said:@"suncoastvike" said:@"pumpf" said:@"suncoastvike" said:@"pumpf" said:
Yeah, gun control is doing wonders in Chicago.
That's one I never heard.
Roll eyes now.
Well, it's true. Chicago and DC are 2 of the most "gun-controlled" cities in the world... and yet they have the highest gun violence rates. Liberals keep pushing for gun control- but they never seem to be able to explain how new rules are going to save more lives.
Meanwhile, they're voting for "leaders" who are now openly advocating for infanticide. That hardly seems to align with their views about trying to "save the children".By the way, I'll just leave this here for y'all:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/43930/hate-crime-hoax-trans-person-burned-down-own-home-ryan-saavedra
Didn't mean anything personal pumpf. I don't dispute that DC, Chicago or any major city has gun violence problems. Is that a symptom of failed gun laws or poverty and the violence that goes with it? That is the real question. That statement is over used and just simplifies real problems people are just trying to survive through. That's why I don't like those sound bites. Wasn't trying to personally attack you. Just the simple funny little message that too many use to joke away lives in danger everyday.
If people want to start actual conversations about how to best deal with the real life issues in these inner-cities. Stop with the tired over used sound bites. However "true" they may be.
I didn't think you were attacking me. My comment was directed towards Maroon. And, while you're correct about gun violence (and violence in general)- that there is not one "simple" solution, it appears that that is the view of those screaming for gun control. Every study I've ever read says that violence (and poverty, for that matter) are the result of choices made by parents... which impact (and influence) their children. Children that grow up in certain kinds of environments have been shown to be most often (and directly) impacted by their family of origin. Yet those who say that they care the most... mention "personal responsibility" the least. THAT is the easiest way to fix most of our society's ills: better parenting. But fewer and fewer parents take that responsibility seriously... which, in turn, leads to alot of the problems that we see.
It's sometimes parenting. Sometimes peer pressure that even mom's that try can't control. Too many absentee dads. It's alot easier to parent in a nice sub division then a apartment in the hood as far as outside influences. Sometimes it's just young men angry and giving up so they choose to take what they think they deserve. Then mostly just end up getting what they do deserve. Just try and compete in a tough job market with that record then. Many layers no doubt.
I wont disagree with a lot of what you say, but where does this sense of entitlement come from in these angry young men that take what they want? who tells them that they dont have to earn what they get? who keeps saying we need to put more money into public housing projects where there are no jobs and no decent schools because nobody wants to teach in them? whose failed vision is this that keeps perpetuating itself? For the record I dont by that its one political party completely at fault here, because I think its more than just govt handouts that are causing all the issues here... but everything seems to stem back to impoverished neighborhoods and until those that live their decide that change starts with them... I think its proven that throwing more money at the problem isnt solving it. I may not have inner city projects out here in SD to look at, but I bet most of those inner city people would be scared shitless on Pine Ridge Indian Reservation and appalled at the living conditions they see.
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"suncoastvike" said:@"pumpf" said:@"suncoastvike" said:@"pumpf" said:@"suncoastvike" said:@"pumpf" said:
Yeah, gun control is doing wonders in Chicago.
That's one I never heard.
Roll eyes now.
Well, it's true. Chicago and DC are 2 of the most "gun-controlled" cities in the world... and yet they have the highest gun violence rates. Liberals keep pushing for gun control- but they never seem to be able to explain how new rules are going to save more lives.
Meanwhile, they're voting for "leaders" who are now openly advocating for infanticide. That hardly seems to align with their views about trying to "save the children".By the way, I'll just leave this here for y'all:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/43930/hate-crime-hoax-trans-person-burned-down-own-home-ryan-saavedra
Didn't mean anything personal pumpf. I don't dispute that DC, Chicago or any major city has gun violence problems. Is that a symptom of failed gun laws or poverty and the violence that goes with it? That is the real question. That statement is over used and just simplifies real problems people are just trying to survive through. That's why I don't like those sound bites. Wasn't trying to personally attack you. Just the simple funny little message that too many use to joke away lives in danger everyday.
If people want to start actual conversations about how to best deal with the real life issues in these inner-cities. Stop with the tired over used sound bites. However "true" they may be.
I didn't think you were attacking me. My comment was directed towards Maroon. And, while you're correct about gun violence (and violence in general)- that there is not one "simple" solution, it appears that that is the view of those screaming for gun control. Every study I've ever read says that violence (and poverty, for that matter) are the result of choices made by parents... which impact (and influence) their children. Children that grow up in certain kinds of environments have been shown to be most often (and directly) impacted by their family of origin. Yet those who say that they care the most... mention "personal responsibility" the least. THAT is the easiest way to fix most of our society's ills: better parenting. But fewer and fewer parents take that responsibility seriously... which, in turn, leads to alot of the problems that we see.
It's sometimes parenting. Sometimes peer pressure that even mom's that try can't control. Too many absentee dads. It's alot easier to parent in a nice sub division then a apartment in the hood as far as outside influences. Sometimes it's just young men angry and giving up so they choose to take what they think they deserve. Then mostly just end up getting what they do deserve. Just try and compete in a tough job market with that record then. Many layers no doubt.
I wont disagree with a lot of what you say, but where does this sense of entitlement come from in these angry young men that take what they want? who tells them that they dont have to earn what they get? who keeps saying we need to put more money into public housing projects where there are no jobs and no decent schools because nobody wants to teach in them? whose failed vision is this that keeps perpetuating itself? For the record I dont by that its one political party completely at fault here, because I think its more than just govt handouts that are causing all the issues here... but everything seems to stem back to impoverished neighborhoods and until those that live their decide that change starts with them... I think its proven that throwing more money at the problem isnt solving it. I may not have inner city projects out here in SD to look at, but I bet most of those inner city people would be scared shitless on Pine Ridge Indian Reservation and appalled at the living conditions they see.
I don't disagree. I believe it does boil down to economics really. If not in these housing developments, where nobody wants to live, where then? You brought up the reservation. Isn't what the government, both parties as you say, doing just that? Not enough jobs. So if we are going to have to be forced to somehow provide the basics to survive for them. Why not put them all together. Isn't that what a reservation is? I don't like it but sometimes things have to be called what they are. I'm not running for office i can do that.
You use the reservation as an example of entitlement and making a choice? Just wow, history is lost on some folk.
@"pumpf" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"pumpf" said:@"suncoastvike" said:@"pumpf" said:
Yeah, gun control is doing wonders in Chicago.
That's one I never heard.
Roll eyes now.
Well, it's true. Chicago and DC are 2 of the most "gun-controlled" cities in the world... and yet they have the highest gun violence rates. Liberals keep pushing for gun control- but they never seem to be able to explain how new rules are going to save more lives.
Meanwhile, they're voting for "leaders" who are now openly advocating for infanticide. That hardly seems to align with their views about trying to "save the children".By the way, I'll just leave this here for y'all:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/43930/hate-crime-hoax-trans-person-burned-down-own-home-ryan-saavedraIn related news, Ethiopia received more US aid than any other country in the world to combat famine and hunger. And yet hunger remains a problem there. Not that I would expect a conservative evangelical to know the first thing about the least among us.
Genuine question, Maroon: why do you so often resort to personal attacks when someone doesn't agree with you?As for Ethiopia, that's a great talking point. But it really doesn't apply to the gun control debate. It might raise a question about whether or not "welfare" (i.e. "giving people stuff") is the best way to help those who are impoverished. I suppose one could make the case- using your stat- that welfare doesn't work.
Oh climb off your cross, Pumpf. No one is attacking you.I'm not talking about policy here. I'm saying that you can't point to Chicago and DC as places where gun control has failed any more than you can point to Ethiopia as a place where aid does no good. Chicago and DC are places of violence. Ethiopia is a place of poverty and famine. Aid is sent there precisely because that is where it's needed. It would be like mocking mission work in shit-hole countries by pointing out all the suffering there. Not that it's your problem. Or that you care. Just pointing it out.
@"BigAl99" said: You use the reservation as an example of entitlement and making a choice? Just wow, history is lost on some folk.who did? I certainly didnt.
@"JimmyinSD" said:The straw man holding a red herring did.@"BigAl99" said: You use the reservation as an example of entitlement and making a choice? Just wow, history is lost on some folk. who did? I certainly didnt.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"pumpf" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"pumpf" said:@"suncoastvike" said:@"pumpf" said:
Yeah, gun control is doing wonders in Chicago.
That's one I never heard.
Roll eyes now.
Well, it's true. Chicago and DC are 2 of the most "gun-controlled" cities in the world... and yet they have the highest gun violence rates. Liberals keep pushing for gun control- but they never seem to be able to explain how new rules are going to save more lives.
Meanwhile, they're voting for "leaders" who are now openly advocating for infanticide. That hardly seems to align with their views about trying to "save the children".By the way, I'll just leave this here for y'all:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/43930/hate-crime-hoax-trans-person-burned-down-own-home-ryan-saavedraIn related news, Ethiopia received more US aid than any other country in the world to combat famine and hunger. And yet hunger remains a problem there. Not that I would expect a conservative evangelical to know the first thing about the least among us.
Genuine question, Maroon: why do you so often resort to personal attacks when someone doesn't agree with you?As for Ethiopia, that's a great talking point. But it really doesn't apply to the gun control debate. It might raise a question about whether or not "welfare" (i.e. "giving people stuff") is the best way to help those who are impoverished. I suppose one could make the case- using your stat- that welfare doesn't work.
Oh climb off your cross, Pumpf. No one is attacking you.
oh, but you did. And every other Christian
" Not that I would expect a conservative evangelical to know the first thing about the least among us. "
@"greediron" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"pumpf" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"pumpf" said:@"suncoastvike" said:@"pumpf" said:
Yeah, gun control is doing wonders in Chicago.
That's one I never heard.
Roll eyes now.
Well, it's true. Chicago and DC are 2 of the most "gun-controlled" cities in the world... and yet they have the highest gun violence rates. Liberals keep pushing for gun control- but they never seem to be able to explain how new rules are going to save more lives.
Meanwhile, they're voting for "leaders" who are now openly advocating for infanticide. That hardly seems to align with their views about trying to "save the children".By the way, I'll just leave this here for y'all:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/43930/hate-crime-hoax-trans-person-burned-down-own-home-ryan-saavedraIn related news, Ethiopia received more US aid than any other country in the world to combat famine and hunger. And yet hunger remains a problem there. Not that I would expect a conservative evangelical to know the first thing about the least among us.
Genuine question, Maroon: why do you so often resort to personal attacks when someone doesn't agree with you?As for Ethiopia, that's a great talking point. But it really doesn't apply to the gun control debate. It might raise a question about whether or not "welfare" (i.e. "giving people stuff") is the best way to help those who are impoverished. I suppose one could make the case- using your stat- that welfare doesn't work.
Oh climb off your cross, Pumpf. No one is attacking you.
oh, but you did. And every other Christian
" Not that I would expect a conservative evangelical to know the first thing about the least among us. "
Dude, I AM a Christian! But for the life of me I've never understood this modern American conservative evangelical brand of it. It's a uniquely American thing too. Doesn't really exist anywhere else in the world. And it's a relatively new phenomenon. But man, it's mean spirited, bigoted, it's like you completely ignore a big part of the Bible.What happened to the sermon on the mount? What happened to "I was hungry and you gave me food. I was thirsty and you gave me drink. I was a stranger and you welcomed me?" "Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers." "Remember those in prison as if you were in prison, those who are being tortured as if you were being tortured." "The alien who resides in you shall be to you as the citizen among you. You shall love the alien as yourself. For you were aliens in the land of Egypt." "Cursed is anyone who withholds justice from the foreigner, the fatherless or the widow."
See, I don't have a problem with Christ. I have a problem with this ugly brand of modern, American, conservative, anti-science, greed-is-good, gun-totin', torture-lovin, immigrant hating Christianity that doesn't seem to want anything to do with Him.
I think of jackstands like Joel Osteen who drive to church in their $500,000 Italian sports cars and utterly despicable human beings like Donald Trump and his fake university and his racist birther hoax, and an entire roster of televangelists stealing money from the sick and the poor on a weekly basis...
...and I contrast that with a guy like Jimmy Carter, living in his $167,000 home, flying coach, building houses for the poor....
Yeah, you guys LOVE Jimmy Carter. But that's the kind of Christian I aspire to be. And I want nothing to do with your brand of it.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"greediron" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"pumpf" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"pumpf" said:@"suncoastvike" said:@"pumpf" said:
Yeah, gun control is doing wonders in Chicago.
That's one I never heard.
Roll eyes now.
Well, it's true. Chicago and DC are 2 of the most "gun-controlled" cities in the world... and yet they have the highest gun violence rates. Liberals keep pushing for gun control- but they never seem to be able to explain how new rules are going to save more lives.
Meanwhile, they're voting for "leaders" who are now openly advocating for infanticide. That hardly seems to align with their views about trying to "save the children".By the way, I'll just leave this here for y'all:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/43930/hate-crime-hoax-trans-person-burned-down-own-home-ryan-saavedraIn related news, Ethiopia received more US aid than any other country in the world to combat famine and hunger. And yet hunger remains a problem there. Not that I would expect a conservative evangelical to know the first thing about the least among us.
Genuine question, Maroon: why do you so often resort to personal attacks when someone doesn't agree with you?As for Ethiopia, that's a great talking point. But it really doesn't apply to the gun control debate. It might raise a question about whether or not "welfare" (i.e. "giving people stuff") is the best way to help those who are impoverished. I suppose one could make the case- using your stat- that welfare doesn't work.
Oh climb off your cross, Pumpf. No one is attacking you.
oh, but you did. And every other Christian
" Not that I would expect a conservative evangelical to know the first thing about the least among us. "
Dude, I AM a Christian! But for the life of me I've never understood this modern American conservative evangelical brand of it. It's a uniquely American thing too. Doesn't really exist anywhere else in the world. And it's a relatively new phenomenon. But man, it's mean spirited, bigoted, it's like you completely ignore a big part of the Bible.What happened to the sermon on the mount? What happened to "I was hungry and you gave me food. I was thirsty and you gave me drink. I was a stranger and you welcomed me?" "Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers." "Remember those in prison as if you were in prison, those who are being tortured as if you were being tortured." "The alien who resides in you shall be to you as the citizen among you. You shall love the alien as yourself. For you were aliens in the land of Egypt." "Cursed is anyone who withholds justice from the foreigner, the fatherless or the widow."
See, I don't have a problem with Christ. I have a problem with this ugly brand of modern, American, conservative, anti-science, greed-is-good, gun-totin', torture-lovin, immigrant hating Christianity that doesn't seem to want anything to do with Him.
I think of jackstands like Joel Osteen who drive to church in their $500,000 Italian sports cars and utterly despicable human beings like Donald Trump and his fake university and his racist birther hoax, and an entire roster of televangelists stealing money from the sick and the poor on a weekly basis...
...and I contrast that with a guy like Jimmy Carter, living in his $167,000 home, flying coach, building houses for the poor....
Yeah, you guys LOVE Jimmy Carter. But that's the kind of Christian I aspire to be. And I want nothing to do with your brand of it.
which is the better Christian, the one that sins all week and then sits in the front pew of the church on Sunday... or the one that acts Christian all week until Sunday and then judges those that are sitting in the front pews? I am not saying, IMO its between an individual and their savior, but personally I think we are all likely a long long way from what God wants of us and sitting and judging others efforts (or lack of) is about as hypocritical as we can be in the name of our faith.Peace to you both.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"greediron" said:@"MaroonBells" said:Oh climb off your cross, Pumpf. No one is attacking you.
oh, but you did. And every other Christian
" Not that I would expect a conservative evangelical to know the first thing about the least among us. "
Dude, I AM a Christian! But for the life of me I've never understood this modern American conservative evangelical brand of it. It's a uniquely American thing too. Doesn't really exist anywhere else in the world. And it's a relatively new phenomenon. But man, it's mean spirited, bigoted, it's like you completely ignore a big part of the Bible.What happened to the sermon on the mount? What happened to "I was hungry and you gave me food. I was thirsty and you gave me drink. I was a stranger and you welcomed me?" "Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers." "Remember those in prison as if you were in prison, those who are being tortured as if you were being tortured." "The alien who resides in you shall be to you as the citizen among you. You shall love the alien as yourself. For you were aliens in the land of Egypt." "Cursed is anyone who withholds justice from the foreigner, the fatherless or the widow."
See, I don't have a problem with Christ. I have a problem with this ugly brand of modern, American, conservative, anti-science, greed-is-good, gun-totin', torture-lovin, immigrant hating Christianity that doesn't seem to want anything to do with Him.
I think of jackstands like Joel Osteen who drive to church in their $500,000 Italian sports cars and utterly despicable human beings like Donald Trump and his fake university and his racist birther hoax, and an entire roster of televangelists stealing money from the sick and the poor on a weekly basis...
...and I contrast that with a guy like Jimmy Carter, living in his $167,000 home, flying coach, building houses for the poor....
Yeah, you guys LOVE Jimmy Carter. But that's the kind of Christian I aspire to be. And I want nothing to do with your brand of it.
Joel Osteen? Another fine straw man. That dude isn't even Christian by most aspects. Televangelists? Yeah, that sounds like Pumpf.
As to Christianity, how about treat others as you wish to be treated. Your ad hominem name calling crap doesn't fly. And how do you get off saying others ignore a big part of the Bible. You don't even know us.If you want to go down that road, how can any democrat claim to be Christian after the recent vote in the senate where all but 3 are okay with infanticide. I don't much like Trump, but at least he doesn't mince words when he calls them out. He might not be a model Christian or at Christian at all (not sure what he believes) but his defense of life is unparalleled in this age of milquetoast waffling.
You can paint with your broad brush in condemnation, but yet pick and choose which select verses you wish to follow.
I'm the kind of Christian who fears I'm not as good of Christian as I should be. That I guess makes me the kind of Christian that Christ died for. So I'm good then...right?
Boy I coulda done without the I'm a better Christian then you argument. I've been in kinda of a pissy mood all day and don't really know why. Damn rain.
@"suncoastvike" said: I'm the kind of Christian who fears I'm not as good of Christian as I should be. That I guess makes me the kind of Christian that Christ died for. So I'm good then...right? Boy I coulda done without the I'm a better Christian then you argument. I've been in kinda of a pissy mood all day and don't really know why. Damn rain.I agree. I am not trying to get into comparative religious tests, but just needed to object to someone throwing that accusation out there.
@"MaroonBells" said:What happened to the sermon on the mount? What happened to "I was hungry and you gave me food. I was thirsty and you gave me drink. I was a stranger and you welcomed me?" "Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers." "Remember those in prison as if you were in prison, those who are being tortured as if you were being tortured." "The alien who resides in you shall be to you as the citizen among you. You shall love the alien as yourself. For you were aliens in the land of Egypt." "Cursed is anyone who withholds justice from the foreigner, the fatherless or the widow."
See, I don't have a problem with Christ. I have a problem with this ugly brand of modern, American, conservative, anti-science, greed-is-good, gun-totin', torture-lovin, immigrant hating Christianity that doesn't seem to want anything to do with Him.
I think of jackstands like Joel Osteen who drive to church in their $500,000 Italian sports cars and utterly despicable human beings like Donald Trump and his fake university and his racist birther hoax, and an entire roster of televangelists stealing money from the sick and the poor on a weekly basis...
Everything that you listed, was commanded of God's people... NOT the gov't. If you can find an example of God telling people to do those things THROUGH the gov't, I will be mighty shocked. You seem to think that- because I don't want the gov't to be responsible for doing Christ's work- that we (conservative Christians) don't want to do it either. Well, not to be too big of a jerk here, but I'm willing to be that I have given way more money and time to "helping those less fortunate" than you or any of your liberal friends. I've built houses... taken strangers into my home... donated food... supplied the needs of orphanages... given money to homeless people... given my time and sweat to those "stranded" on reservations... rang bells at the Salvation Army kettle in below zero weather... visited those in jail (even got trapped once during a prison riot)... volunteered for the special olympics... and probably a bunch of other things that I can't bring to mind right now. Oh, I also served an all-black congregation in Baltimore and was loved by them... almost as much as I love them!But, go ahead and make your little snide comments about who the "real" Christians are. Research has shown that conservatives are more charitable than liberals are, too... but don't let that get in the way of your self-righteous screed.
What you call "anti-science" is really "pro-Bible". I'm guessing that you don't think that the Bible is God's Word? How does that somehow make you a "better" Christian than someone who believes that every word of it is inspired by God?
Greed- understood in the philosophical sense- is good. You don't work for free. Why is that? Could it be that you're "greedy"? When Barr got a raise, did you jump all over him for it? "Greed" (in the sense that I think you mean it) has gotten more people out of poverty than any other economic engine in the history of the world. Our citizens are the riches in the world. Our poorest citizens are- most of them- are living well above the global definition of "poverty". That's not to say that I don't care about the poor. Quite the opposite: I want them to get out of poverty by doing those things that will either prevent it from happening... or will get them out of it. Socialism isn't the answer. Neither is welfare. If it was, then why hasn't LBJ's Great Society evolved? Why- with all the help available to them- are people still impoverished? Some- as suncoast pointed out- may be out of the control of folks. But the vast majority are poor because of the choices they've made. By the way, let me share this with you... because I don't think your deep theological studies are as thorough as you would like to think: when God commanded His people to provide for the poor, He DIDN'T tell them to give food to them. He told them to leave some of their crops un-harvested, so that the "poor" could come and harvest it for themselves. I wonder why God did that?
Gun toting? I'll grant you this: Jesus did tell us to turn the other cheek. However, I don't think that that should be our national security policy. If people want to have guns to protect themselves... or even for sport... what to do you care? They aren't hurting you- or anyone else. The people who are hurting others with guns... are the same people who kill people with their cars while distracted driving: criminals. People who are using lawful things in an unlawful way. Much like your solution to poverty, you completely reject any form of personal responsibility.
To say that conservative Christians "love" torture is pretty silly- even for you. But if some believe that it is an acceptable form of interrogation, there is certainly room for an honest discussion about its merits. But, considering that "your side" just rejected a law that would've protected the lives of children... I'm guessing that we won't get an honest discussion from your side. By the way, since you seem to like quoting Scripture so much (at least the parts that you've decided are true... and can be twisted to fit your agenda), here's one for you: "Jesus said, 'Let the little children come to Me and do not hinder them. For the Kingdom of God belongs to such as these." Care to comment on that?
Immigrant hating... or law-abiding? I don't know of very many Christians that are "anti-immigrant". What they ARE opposed to... are people entering our country illegally. But, again, you don't want to have an intellectually honest discussion about these things. It's ALMOST like liberalism is your religion. Christianity is about how God chose to rescue (and redeem) a sinfully fallen world. It's about the sacrifice of God's Son, whose perfect righteousness is offered freely to anyone who will believe and receive it. And then, having received such perfect love, they are to go and do likewise to others: to love as they have been loved. The weird thing about all of that... is that none of it mentions the gov't. God loves us (vertical relationship) and we love one another (horizontal relationships). Nowhere are Christians told to use a proxy in order to share God's love with others. For the life of me, I can't understand why liberal "Christians" think that the best way to love their neighbor... is to delegate that privilege to someone else. But... here we are: having the same conversation over and over again.
On the other hand... if we were to go along with "your plan".. then let's go all the way with it: a theocracy. Is that what you want? Then the gov't could REALLY do God's work, right?
PS: Joel Osteen IS an idiot... and a false prophet. Most of the pastors I know are Lutheran... and we make slightly less than Osteen. I make less that $50,000. And I've got a Master's Degree. But, please: do go on about how greedy and evil I am.
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