So who's going to be the new OC?

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: I am intrigued with Ryan. He's had a lot of success with both WR's and QB's between the Giants and Texans. But the lack of play calling experience is still a hurdle to get over. If you're going to take that jump with Ryan, why not promote Stefanski internally? 

At first blush, I would agree. But it makes me wonder about the RPO--the Run/Pass option. Unlike the Wildcat, this seems to be getting a lot of raves around the NFL. Some have called it indefensible (ya, I know). DeShaun Watson used it a lot and it was a big reason for his success. Might the Vikings want to find an OC who has experience with it? Pure speculation, but if so, what would it mean about our QB. It often puts the QB in a vulnerable position. A bad place for QBs with bad knees. But it's something that I think Case could do fairly well. 

One other thing, as a lot of us have said, there's a big difference between being able to design an offense and understanding the "dance" that is effective play calling. Neither Stefanski or Ryan has done it (that I'm aware), but it sounds like that is what Ryan wants. O'Brien's a smart guy. If he thinks Ryan has a "real bright future" in this league, color me intrigued. 

I think the term "RPO" has become more popular this year, but it isn't an entirely new concept. The Vikings offense last year had built in RPO's. 

The Eagles and Chiefs really started using them regularly in 17' which made the term catch on. As an OC you need someone who can develop a strong game plan and execute it. There are plenty of good coaches that can write a good scripts, but executing it to plan is an entirely different beast. I'm intrigued by Ryan since he's had success developing QB's which inherently would give you a decent feel for play calling. But it still gives me an uncomfortable feeling. 

Ideally the Vikings can hire Bevell and promote Stefanski to OC. That'd give him an internal promotion but not put all the play calling weight on his shoulders day 1. 

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: I am intrigued with Ryan. He's had a lot of success with both WR's and QB's between the Giants and Texans. But the lack of play calling experience is still a hurdle to get over. If you're going to take that jump with Ryan, why not promote Stefanski internally? 

At first blush, I would agree. But it makes me wonder about the RPO--the Run/Pass option. Unlike the Wildcat, this seems to be getting a lot of raves around the NFL. Some have called it indefensible (ya, I know). DeShaun Watson used it a lot and it was a big reason for his success. Might the Vikings want to find an OC who has experience with it? Pure speculation, but if so, what would it mean about our QB. It often puts the QB in a vulnerable position. A bad place for QBs with bad knees. But it's something that I think Case could do fairly well. 

One other thing, as a lot of us have said, there's a big difference between being able to design an offense and understanding the "dance" that is effective play calling. Neither Stefanski or Ryan has done it (that I'm aware), but it sounds like that is what Ryan wants. O'Brien's a smart guy. If he thinks Ryan has a "real bright future" in this league, color me intrigued. 

I think the term "RPO" has become more popular this year, but it isn't an entirely new concept. The Vikings offense last year had built in RPO's. 

The Eagles and Chiefs really started using them regularly in 17' which made the term catch on. As an OC you need someone who can develop a strong game plan and execute it. There are plenty of good coaches that can write a good scripts, but executing it to plan is an entirely different beast. I'm intrigued by Ryan since he's had success developing QB's which inherently would give you a decent feel for play calling. But it still gives me an uncomfortable feeling. 

Ideally the Vikings can hire Bevell and promote Stefanski to OC. That'd give him an internal promotion but not put all the play calling weight on his shoulders day 1. 

Wait, what would be Bevell's title and duties then??

@"Geoff Nichols" said: Sounds like if Stefanski doesn't get the OC position in MN he may end up following Shurmur to the Giants. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: I am intrigued with Ryan. He's had a lot of success with both WR's and QB's between the Giants and Texans. But the lack of play calling experience is still a hurdle to get over. If you're going to take that jump with Ryan, why not promote Stefanski internally? 

At first blush, I would agree. But it makes me wonder about the RPO--the Run/Pass option. Unlike the Wildcat, this seems to be getting a lot of raves around the NFL. Some have called it indefensible (ya, I know). DeShaun Watson used it a lot and it was a big reason for his success. Might the Vikings want to find an OC who has experience with it? Pure speculation, but if so, what would it mean about our QB. It often puts the QB in a vulnerable position. A bad place for QBs with bad knees. But it's something that I think Case could do fairly well. 

One other thing, as a lot of us have said, there's a big difference between being able to design an offense and understanding the "dance" that is effective play calling. Neither Stefanski or Ryan has done it (that I'm aware), but it sounds like that is what Ryan wants. O'Brien's a smart guy. If he thinks Ryan has a "real bright future" in this league, color me intrigued. 

No matter who we end up with, its likely going to be a step down.  Shurmer didnt win asst of the year for nothing.  i am pretty sure we can find a decent playcaller somewhere, im more worried about changing a scheme that actually worked.  its prolly best to promote stefanski and hire a vet OC that can assist and take over if theres a dropoff

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: I am intrigued with Ryan. He's had a lot of success with both WR's and QB's between the Giants and Texans. But the lack of play calling experience is still a hurdle to get over. If you're going to take that jump with Ryan, why not promote Stefanski internally? 

At first blush, I would agree. But it makes me wonder about the RPO--the Run/Pass option. Unlike the Wildcat, this seems to be getting a lot of raves around the NFL. Some have called it indefensible (ya, I know). DeShaun Watson used it a lot and it was a big reason for his success. Might the Vikings want to find an OC who has experience with it? Pure speculation, but if so, what would it mean about our QB. It often puts the QB in a vulnerable position. A bad place for QBs with bad knees. But it's something that I think Case could do fairly well. 

One other thing, as a lot of us have said, there's a big difference between being able to design an offense and understanding the "dance" that is effective play calling. Neither Stefanski or Ryan has done it (that I'm aware), but it sounds like that is what Ryan wants. O'Brien's a smart guy. If he thinks Ryan has a "real bright future" in this league, color me intrigued. 

Case showed a tendency to lock onto receivers early and wait,  how will that help sell a RPO?  I think his mobility would be a plus in that type of scheme, but the execution is where I would wonder how well he would do with it.   He doesnt seem to be a quick trigger guy that would IMO excell in that  type of system.   I think Case is at his best when he can roll out of the pocket, extend the play, and really give the receivers a little more time to gain separation or find a big hole in a zone.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: I am intrigued with Ryan. He's had a lot of success with both WR's and QB's between the Giants and Texans. But the lack of play calling experience is still a hurdle to get over. If you're going to take that jump with Ryan, why not promote Stefanski internally? 

At first blush, I would agree. But it makes me wonder about the RPO--the Run/Pass option. Unlike the Wildcat, this seems to be getting a lot of raves around the NFL. Some have called it indefensible (ya, I know). DeShaun Watson used it a lot and it was a big reason for his success. Might the Vikings want to find an OC who has experience with it? Pure speculation, but if so, what would it mean about our QB. It often puts the QB in a vulnerable position. A bad place for QBs with bad knees. But it's something that I think Case could do fairly well. 

One other thing, as a lot of us have said, there's a big difference between being able to design an offense and understanding the "dance" that is effective play calling. Neither Stefanski or Ryan has done it (that I'm aware), but it sounds like that is what Ryan wants. O'Brien's a smart guy. If he thinks Ryan has a "real bright future" in this league, color me intrigued. 

Case showed a tendency to lock onto receivers early and wait,  how will that help sell a RPO?  I think his mobility would be a plus in that type of scheme, but the execution is where I would wonder how well he would do with it.   He doesnt seem to be a quick trigger guy that would IMO excell in that  type of system.   I think Case is at his best when he can roll out of the pocket, extend the play, and really give the receivers a little more time to gain separation or find a big hole in a zone.

I don't think it takes a special kind of QB to do it, just a decisive one and one you're not overly worried about exposing. 

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: I am intrigued with Ryan. He's had a lot of success with both WR's and QB's between the Giants and Texans. But the lack of play calling experience is still a hurdle to get over. If you're going to take that jump with Ryan, why not promote Stefanski internally? 

At first blush, I would agree. But it makes me wonder about the RPO--the Run/Pass option. Unlike the Wildcat, this seems to be getting a lot of raves around the NFL. Some have called it indefensible (ya, I know). DeShaun Watson used it a lot and it was a big reason for his success. Might the Vikings want to find an OC who has experience with it? Pure speculation, but if so, what would it mean about our QB. It often puts the QB in a vulnerable position. A bad place for QBs with bad knees. But it's something that I think Case could do fairly well. 

One other thing, as a lot of us have said, there's a big difference between being able to design an offense and understanding the "dance" that is effective play calling. Neither Stefanski or Ryan has done it (that I'm aware), but it sounds like that is what Ryan wants. O'Brien's a smart guy. If he thinks Ryan has a "real bright future" in this league, color me intrigued. 

Case showed a tendency to lock onto receivers early and wait,  how will that help sell a RPO?  I think his mobility would be a plus in that type of scheme, but the execution is where I would wonder how well he would do with it.   He doesnt seem to be a quick trigger guy that would IMO excell in that  type of system.   I think Case is at his best when he can roll out of the pocket, extend the play, and really give the receivers a little more time to gain separation or find a big hole in a zone.

I don't think it takes a special kind of QB to do it, just a decisive one and one you're not overly worried about exposing. 

It doesn't take a special QB at all, its all read and react. When you look at the spread offenses in college most of the reads are high/low. With an RPO all you're incorporating is a read on the DE with the option to hand the ball off. You honestly could run it to some success with a QB who doesn't know how to read a defense. But like you said, the QB has to be decisive and trust what they see at the snap of the ball. They also have to be somewhat durable since they're going to get hit and be left exposed outside the pocket. 

@"greediron" said: Perhaps Stefanski is a known factor and they aren't comfortable with him.

Sounds like Stefanski is the favorite for the job per someone I talked to. Zimmer will go through the process since you never know until you cast a wide net. 

@"Geoff Nichols" said: Sounds like Stefanski is the favorite for the job per someone I talked to. Zimmer will go through the process since you never know until you cast a wide net. 

I bet they bring in Bevell or McAdoo or someone to call the plays

@"TBro" said:

@"greediron" said: Perhaps Stefanski is a known factor and they aren't comfortable with him.

I saw it posted already that Stefanski is a candidate for the job and that Zimmer either has or will be sitting down with him to discuss the position. 

i am a little confused with an OC that doesnt call their own plays.  I can see it with a O minded HC that wants to keep control of that,  but what will Stefanski really be doing as an OC if he doesnt create a system/game plan and then execute it?

Raiders is a prefect example of switching coordinators and it not working out.
I'm sure Rick and Zim will get it right.
I'm not sure how much Stefanski  was involved with Shurmur game planning but if Shurmur wants him he must have been doing ok.
Thanks for your thoughts Geoff.

They were saying if Stefanski isn't the Vikings OC he may very well end up going to be an OC this off season to somewhere else.

@"Canthony" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: Sounds like Stefanski is the favorite for the job per someone I talked to. Zimmer will go through the process since you never know until you cast a wide net. 

I bet they bring in Bevell or McAdoo or someone to call the plays

Mayok raved about Stefanski while he was broadcasting at the Senior Bowl.  He likes him quite a bit and said he is ready.

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"HappyViking" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: Sounds like if Stefanski doesn't get the OC position in MN he may end up following Shurmur to the Giants. 

I'm assuming you mean as Shurmer's OC?  I wonder if Pat would let him be the play caller.

Shurmur is going to call plays. 

@"Geoff Nichols" said: Sounds like Stefanski is the favorite for the job per someone I talked to. Zimmer will go through the process since you never know until you cast a wide net. 

@"VikeMike52" said: Mayok raved about Stefanski while he was broadcasting at the Senior Bowl.  He likes him quite a bit and said he is ready.