So who's going to be the new OC?

I hope Bruce arians comes out of a short retirement. Please no Mcadoo!!

I heard Mcadoo yesterday.

I hope they don't go with a retread.  Bring in some young energy and ideas.   

They'll interview a few I bet. Stefanski will get a shot but externally Mike McCoy, Ben McAdoo, and Darelle Bevel are all names to watch. I think the hesitation with Stefanski is that he has no play calling experience and Zimmer wants to give someone full autonomy with the offense.  

I'm going to bet its McCoy if they don't go Stefanski. The allure for McCoy would be full autonomy to run the offense and he's a good strategist. Would be a good move for the franchise. 

I agree with Geoff,  it would be a big leap to go from only ever being a position coach to having full autonomy of an offense and all that entails.   I have a hard time understanding the McAdoo talk though,  his offense is what cost him his job in NY wasnt it?

@"StickyBun" said: I'm going to bet its McCoy if they don't go Stefanski. The allure for McCoy would be full autonomy to run the offense and he's a good strategist. Would be a good move for the franchise. 

I am not a huge McCoy fan. If you really dig into it he hasn't had a great amount of success without Peyton Manning at QB. Although the media made him look like a fool, I'd shy towards McAdoo. As an OC he had that Giants offense firing on all cylinders. The Vikings personnel also fits his play style. Kind of a situation where the guy probably isn't the greatest leader but a heck of a play caller / game planner. 

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"StickyBun" said: I'm going to bet its McCoy if they don't go Stefanski. The allure for McCoy would be full autonomy to run the offense and he's a good strategist. Would be a good move for the franchise. 

I am not a huge McCoy fan. If you really dig into it he hasn't had a great amount of success without Peyton Manning at QB. Although the media made him look like a fool, I'd shy towards McAdoo. As an OC he had that Giants offense firing on all cylinders. The Vikings personnel also fits his play style. Kind of a situation where the guy probably isn't the greatest leader but a heck of a play caller / game planner. 

@"StickyBun" said: I'm going to bet its McCoy if they don't go Stefanski. The allure for McCoy would be full autonomy to run the offense and he's a good strategist. Would be a good move for the franchise. 

McCoy was heavily criticized in Denver for having an overly complicated play book and eventually lost his job due to an ineffective offense. I don't want any of these retreads that are going to force feed a system like Norv did when we don't have the personnel to run it. I would rather take my chances with Stefanski that he can develop into a good play caller. You can't be a good play caller if you are never given an opportunity to do it. I think he's done a nice job with our QB's and hopefully has learned enough with his time here to take that next step. McVay never had any play calling experience before Jay Gruden gave him a shot as his OC in 2014. I think that turned out pretty well.  

@"TBro" said:

@"StickyBun" said: I'm going to bet its McCoy if they don't go Stefanski. The allure for McCoy would be full autonomy to run the offense and he's a good strategist. Would be a good move for the franchise. 

McCoy was heavily criticized in Denver for having an overly complicated play book and eventually lost his job due to an ineffective offense. I don't want any of these retreads that are going to force feed a system like Norv did when we don't have the personnel to run it. I would rather take my chances with Stefanski that he can develop into a good play caller. You can't be a good play caller if you are never given an opportunity to do it. I think he's done a nice job with our QB's and hopefully has learned enough with his time here to take that next step. McVay never had any play calling experience before Jay Gruden gave him a shot as his OC in 2014. I think that turned out pretty well.  

I'm not sold on Stefanski, but a big part is being leery of someone who has hung around since the Childress staff and through Les Frazier too. Is that unfair or lacking in loyalty? Maybe - but new NFL coaches often clear out the last regime, and coaches who are truly talented can usually find opportunities with another team. One of my criticisms of Zimmer was that he kept Frazier assistants like George Stewart and Jeff Davidson around - I think it showed a lack of interest in those areas. We finally saw some offensive life under a brighter mind.
Stefanski would just be the low-effort choice, and I am hoping a LOT of effort is put into improving this club for the 2018 season.

I think the one thing I'd like to see is aggression. Aggressive on offense (Philly threw a friggin' flea flicker against us...  :# ). I want to see us attack, attack, attack. Whoever gives us that opportunity, that's the OC I want.

@"Jor-El" said: I'm not sold on Stefanski, but a big part is being leery of someone who has hung around since the Childress staff and through Les Frazier too. Is that unfair or lacking in loyalty? Maybe - but new NFL coaches often clear out the last regime, and coaches who are truly talented can usually find opportunities with another team. One of my criticisms of Zimmer was that he kept Frazier assistants like George Stewart and Jeff Davidson around - I think it showed a lack of interest in those areas. We finally saw some offensive life under a brighter mind. Stefanski would just be the low-effort choice, and I am hoping a LOT of effort is put into improving this club for the 2018 season.

what you see as a negative,  i see as a positive.  he has stuck around through multiple systems and coordinators.  he has had a lot of experience in seeing what works and what doesnt and if he is still here there must be something about the guy that keeps him employed.  hes also young so he might have a fresher perspective on the game than some of the older dogs that are more entrenched in "their" system than in necessarily making a system that works for the players they have.

@"Jor-El" said: I'm not sold on Stefanski, but a big part is being leery of someone who has hung around since the Childress staff and through Les Frazier too. Is that unfair or lacking in loyalty? Maybe - but new NFL coaches often clear out the last regime, and coaches who are truly talented can usually find opportunities with another team. One of my criticisms of Zimmer was that he kept Frazier assistants like George Stewart and Jeff Davidson around - I think it showed a lack of interest in those areas. We finally saw some offensive life under a brighter mind. Stefanski would just be the low-effort choice, and I am hoping a LOT of effort is put into improving this club for the 2018 season.

Those are all valid concerns. I guess I like to look at it from a different perspective. Despite several coaching regime changes, he has persevered and has continually worked his way up the ladder to where he is now. I don't think he would have been retained through all of these changes if management didn't feel like he was a bright young coaching mind with a lot of potential. I guess we will find out what Zimmer thinks of him. I do think that McAdoo is a better fit with his style of play and our current offensive personnel if we decide to go outside. 

@"Clanzomaelan" said: I think the one thing I'd like to see is aggression. Aggressive on offense (Philly threw a friggin' flea flicker against us...  :# ). I want to see us attack, attack, attack. Whoever gives us that opportunity, that's the OC I want.

You won't be seeing that in Minnesota. Virtually the opposite of the style Zimmer wants.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Jor-El" said: I'm not sold on Stefanski, but a big part is being leery of someone who has hung around since the Childress staff and through Les Frazier too. Is that unfair or lacking in loyalty? Maybe - but new NFL coaches often clear out the last regime, and coaches who are truly talented can usually find opportunities with another team. One of my criticisms of Zimmer was that he kept Frazier assistants like George Stewart and Jeff Davidson around - I think it showed a lack of interest in those areas. We finally saw some offensive life under a brighter mind. Stefanski would just be the low-effort choice, and I am hoping a LOT of effort is put into improving this club for the 2018 season.

what you see as a negative,  i see as a positive.  he has stuck around through multiple systems and coordinators.  he has had a lot of experience in seeing what works and what doesnt and if he is still here there must be something about the guy that keeps him employed.  hes also young so he might have a fresher perspective on the game than some of the older dogs that are more entrenched in "their" system than in necessarily making a system that works for the players they have.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Jor-El" said: I'm not sold on Stefanski, but a big part is being leery of someone who has hung around since the Childress staff and through Les Frazier too. Is that unfair or lacking in loyalty? Maybe - but new NFL coaches often clear out the last regime, and coaches who are truly talented can usually find opportunities with another team. One of my criticisms of Zimmer was that he kept Frazier assistants like George Stewart and Jeff Davidson around - I think it showed a lack of interest in those areas. We finally saw some offensive life under a brighter mind. Stefanski would just be the low-effort choice, and I am hoping a LOT of effort is put into improving this club for the 2018 season.

what you see as a negative,  i see as a positive.  he has stuck around through multiple systems and coordinators.  he has had a lot of experience in seeing what works and what doesnt and if he is still here there must be something about the guy that keeps him employed.  hes also young so he might have a fresher perspective on the game than some of the older dogs that are more entrenched in "their" system than in necessarily making a system that works for the players they have.

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Jor-El" said: I'm not sold on Stefanski, but a big part is being leery of someone who has hung around since the Childress staff and through Les Frazier too. Is that unfair or lacking in loyalty? Maybe - but new NFL coaches often clear out the last regime, and coaches who are truly talented can usually find opportunities with another team. One of my criticisms of Zimmer was that he kept Frazier assistants like George Stewart and Jeff Davidson around - I think it showed a lack of interest in those areas. We finally saw some offensive life under a brighter mind. Stefanski would just be the low-effort choice, and I am hoping a LOT of effort is put into improving this club for the 2018 season.

what you see as a negative,  i see as a positive.  he has stuck around through multiple systems and coordinators.  he has had a lot of experience in seeing what works and what doesnt and if he is still here there must be something about the guy that keeps him employed.  hes also young so he might have a fresher perspective on the game than some of the older dogs that are more entrenched in "their" system than in necessarily making a system that works for the players they have.

I think it really comes down to what Zimmer is comfortable with, he knows Stefanski better than any of us. We could also see another Shumur situation play out too. Say the Vikings end up promoting Stefanski to OC, they could still bring in McAdoo or McCoy as a specialist to help with play calling. 

:# @"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Jor-El" said: I'm not sold on Stefanski, but a big part is being leery of someone who has hung around since the Childress staff and through Les Frazier too. Is that unfair or lacking in loyalty? Maybe - but new NFL coaches often clear out the last regime, and coaches who are truly talented can usually find opportunities with another team. One of my criticisms of Zimmer was that he kept Frazier assistants like George Stewart and Jeff Davidson around - I think it showed a lack of interest in those areas. We finally saw some offensive life under a brighter mind. Stefanski would just be the low-effort choice, and I am hoping a LOT of effort is put into improving this club for the 2018 season.

what you see as a negative,  i see as a positive.  he has stuck around through multiple systems and coordinators.  he has had a lot of experience in seeing what works and what doesnt and if he is still here there must be something about the guy that keeps him employed.  hes also young so he might have a fresher perspective on the game than some of the older dogs that are more entrenched in "their" system than in necessarily making a system that works for the players they have.

I think it really comes down to what Zimmer is comfortable with, he knows Stefanski better than any of us. We could also see another Shumur situation play out too. Say the Vikings end up promoting Stefanski to OC, they could still bring in McAdoo or McCoy as a specialist to help with play calling. 

@"Canthony" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Jor-El" said: I'm not sold on Stefanski, but a big part is being leery of someone who has hung around since the Childress staff and through Les Frazier too. Is that unfair or lacking in loyalty? Maybe - but new NFL coaches often clear out the last regime, and coaches who are truly talented can usually find opportunities with another team. One of my criticisms of Zimmer was that he kept Frazier assistants like George Stewart and Jeff Davidson around - I think it showed a lack of interest in those areas. We finally saw some offensive life under a brighter mind. Stefanski would just be the low-effort choice, and I am hoping a LOT of effort is put into improving this club for the 2018 season.

what you see as a negative,  i see as a positive.  he has stuck around through multiple systems and coordinators.  he has had a lot of experience in seeing what works and what doesnt and if he is still here there must be something about the guy that keeps him employed.  hes also young so he might have a fresher perspective on the game than some of the older dogs that are more entrenched in "their" system than in necessarily making a system that works for the players they have.

I think it really comes down to what Zimmer is comfortable with, he knows Stefanski better than any of us. We could also see another Shumur situation play out too. Say the Vikings end up promoting Stefanski to OC, they could still bring in McAdoo or McCoy as a specialist to help with play calling. 

I have researched a ton this morning about the OC position. I was higher on McCoy. I think I have come out of this morning on the side of McAdoo being our OC. I believe he would be a better fit here with Zimmer and has the pieces to make it work.