So who's going to be the new OC?
I haven't heard any names besides Stefanski and I am not convinced that's who we'll end up with...
Hurry-up Vikings, we ain't getting any younger!
Hey Geoff, I know we have the obvious guys here to look through like Bevell, McAdoo and McCoy, but have you heard of any up and comers for coordinator jobs in the college ranks? What about position coaches from other teams in the league, someone like QB coach DeFilippo from The Eagles?
@"Geoff Nichols" said:He has been handcuffed with mediocre talent as of late, but prior to that, I think he was a product of overachieving talent. When they had an o-line and lynch and a rare talent in Wilson, they overachieved, riding the emotional waves of the aggressive defense and lynch doing the impossible. Wilson was a bit like Tark, scrambling around and eventually finding a big play.@"PSBLAKE" said:Personal opinion, but every coordinator is going to have their flaws. When you're in one spot for so long they start to add up and its eventually time to change. His offense struggled the last two years because he was given no O-line and a slew of mediocre RB's. He would be much better with Dalvin and this line.@"Geoff Nichols" said:I live in Washington and the whole fanbase of the Seahawks hates Bevell. Seems there is this Vikings Seahawks' connection that causes these two teams to trade problems.@"PSBLAKE" said: Bevell ugh. I wouldn't get too caught up about Bevell. People will say that we already dealt with him, but he didn't call a single play when he was here with Childress. In Seattle he put together a great running game and above average passing offense when given good personnel. Factor out Wilson and there would be a little regression, but he's thought about very highly in league circles.But I think as an OC, he struggled to build an identity without Lynch. And that play call in the superbowl was flat out stupid. Short QB, skinny WR running a slant at the goal line. Who knew? Besides everyone.
@"twgerber" said:@"Canthony" said:@"Geoff Nichols" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Jor-El" said: I'm not sold on Stefanski, but a big part is being leery of someone who has hung around since the Childress staff and through Les Frazier too. Is that unfair or lacking in loyalty? Maybe - but new NFL coaches often clear out the last regime, and coaches who are truly talented can usually find opportunities with another team. One of my criticisms of Zimmer was that he kept Frazier assistants like George Stewart and Jeff Davidson around - I think it showed a lack of interest in those areas. We finally saw some offensive life under a brighter mind. Stefanski would just be the low-effort choice, and I am hoping a LOT of effort is put into improving this club for the 2018 season.
what you see as a negative, i see as a positive. he has stuck around through multiple systems and coordinators. he has had a lot of experience in seeing what works and what doesnt and if he is still here there must be something about the guy that keeps him employed. hes also young so he might have a fresher perspective on the game than some of the older dogs that are more entrenched in "their" system than in necessarily making a system that works for the players they have.
I think it really comes down to what Zimmer is comfortable with, he knows Stefanski better than any of us. We could also see another Shumur situation play out too. Say the Vikings end up promoting Stefanski to OC, they could still bring in McAdoo or McCoy as a specialist to help with play calling.I have researched a ton this morning about the OC position. I was higher on McCoy. I think I have come out of this morning on the side of McAdoo being our OC. I believe he would be a better fit here with Zimmer and has the pieces to make it work.
And what details did your research expose?I think McAdoo does a great job with making what he has work. I think he is a better adjuster than a McCoy. Ben has an act for running a variety of different types of power rushing to stretching the field and west coast style. I feel he has more adaptability with his style of offense.
Mcadoo seems to play well against the Eagles too.
@"matt4787" said: I am going to throw a name out there. Joe Lombardi. He has been an OC before. Currently qb coach for Saints. But if Vikes want to make a play for Brees which is a unique opportunity and we all know how Speilman loves unique opportunities. Brees has at minimum 2 good seasons left in my opinion. Arm strength could go some but the fortunate thing is he didn’t become great because of his arm strength. Vikes can draft a guy and also focus on developing Sloter. I know we are all tired of renting vets but Keenum and Bridgewater has not had enough sample size to say they are franchise qbs. And Bradford has but his knees are highly questionable. He has been injury prone his whole career too. Why not go for the homerun? Would anyone say that Brees is not our best option for next season?Yes, I would say Brees is not our best option. I think his arm strength has already declined and the drop probably won't proceed gradually. He showed diminished ability during the regular season and in the playoffs (Sendejo INT was badly underthrown). If NO lets him leave it will mean they see he is about to crash. And I do think he depends on arm strength - even his college scouting reports all said he was a big-armed QB in a short body. And....I know this will discolor my preceding points, but I think Brees is a POS who certainly knew about Bountygate and I wouldn't watch Vikings games if he was our QB.
@"prairieghost" said: Hey Geoff, I know we have the obvious guys here to look through like Bevell, McAdoo and McCoy, but have you heard of any up and comers for coordinator jobs in the college ranks? What about position coaches from other teams in the league, someone like QB coach DeFilippo from The Eagles?Up and comers would be DeFilippo, Ryan, Callahan, and Stefanski. College coordinators are a bit more of an unknown. I doubt MN goes that route.
@"StickyBun" said: Sean Ryan is the lastest....
Houston Texans quarterbacks coach Sean Ryan
has been requested by the Minnesota Vikings to interview for their
vacant offensive coordinator position. Ryan is being lauded for his
coaching of Deshaun Watson providing one of the best debuts by a rookie quarterback in NFL history.
The interview is set to take place early next week and Ryan is
currently with the Texans coaching staff in Mobile, Alabama at the
Senior Bowl.
Ryan arrived to the Texans in 2016 as the wide receiver coach and then was moved to the quarterbacks coach after George Godsey was relieved of his duties after the 2016 season.
Ryan worked side by side with Bill O’Brien to help develop the Texans offense around Deshaun Watson putting together one of the most prolific offense in the NFL on the field to start the season.
“I feel like Sean (Ryan) has a real bright future in this
league.” O’Brien said of his quarterback coach at the end of the season.
O’Brien continued. “I think Sean’s goal is to call plays in the
league and that is why I don’t personally want to stand in his way of
having an opportunity to do that.”
If Ryan were to leave to the Vikings, the Texans would have to find their third quarterback coach in as many seasons.
@"Jor-El" said:@"matt4787" said: I am going to throw a name out there. Joe Lombardi. He has been an OC before. Currently qb coach for Saints. But if Vikes want to make a play for Brees which is a unique opportunity and we all know how Speilman loves unique opportunities. Brees has at minimum 2 good seasons left in my opinion. Arm strength could go some but the fortunate thing is he didn’t become great because of his arm strength. Vikes can draft a guy and also focus on developing Sloter. I know we are all tired of renting vets but Keenum and Bridgewater has not had enough sample size to say they are franchise qbs. And Bradford has but his knees are highly questionable. He has been injury prone his whole career too. Why not go for the homerun? Would anyone say that Brees is not our best option for next season? Yes, I would say Brees is not our best option. I think his arm strength has already declined and the drop probably won't proceed gradually. He showed diminished ability during the regular season and in the playoffs (Sendejo INT was badly underthrown). If NO lets him leave it will mean they see he is about to crash. And I do think he depends on arm strength - even his college scouting reports all said he was a big-armed QB in a short body. And....I know this will discolor my preceding points, but I think Brees is a POS who certainly knew about Bountygate and I wouldn't watch Vikings games if he was our QB.
Yah, Brees' skills looked diminished vs Vikings ;)
I am intrigued with Ryan. He's had a lot of success with both WR's and QB's between the Giants and Texans. But the lack of play calling experience is still a hurdle to get over. If you're going to take that jump with Ryan, why not promote Stefanski internally?
Perhaps Stefanski is a known factor and they aren't comfortable with him.
i dont really care so much about who... as what they will want. I dont want to see our OL have to be "remade" again because new guy wants to change our blocking scheme and these guys dont work. yes we need to add a few pieces to our OL, but they look pretty good at what they are doing so keep with it.
@"JimmyinSD" said: i dont really care so much about who... as what they will want. I dont want to see our OL have to be "remade" again because new guy wants to change our blocking scheme and these guys dont work. yes we need to add a few pieces to our OL, but they look pretty good at what they are doing so keep with it.Amen - the Vikings' OL looked the most competent in 2017 since Todd Steussie left, keeping the progress moving is a huge key. But the biggest thing may be that we had our best LT since then in Reiff. IMO when your LT sucks, the rest of your line suffers trying to compensate.
Sounds like if Stefanski doesn't get the OC position in MN he may end up following Shurmur to the Giants.
@"Geoff Nichols" said: Sounds like if Stefanski doesn't get the OC position in MN he may end up following Shurmur to the Giants.And he should. Much more high profile for an upwardly mobile and ambitious young coach.
@"Geoff Nichols" said: Sounds like if Stefanski doesn't get the OC position in MN he may end up following Shurmur to the Giants.I'm assuming you mean as Shurmer's OC? I wonder if Pat would let him be the play caller.
@"Geoff Nichols" said: I am intrigued with Ryan. He's had a lot of success with both WR's and QB's between the Giants and Texans. But the lack of play calling experience is still a hurdle to get over. If you're going to take that jump with Ryan, why not promote Stefanski internally?At first blush, I would agree. But it makes me wonder about the RPO--the Run/Pass option. Unlike the Wildcat, this seems to be getting a lot of raves around the NFL. Some have called it indefensible (ya, I know). DeShaun Watson used it a lot and it was a big reason for his success. Might the Vikings want to find an OC who has experience with it? Pure speculation, but if so, what would it mean about our QB. It often puts the QB in a vulnerable position. A bad place for QBs with bad knees. But it's something that I think Case could do fairly well.
One other thing, as a lot of us have said, there's a big difference between being able to design an offense and understanding the "dance" that is effective play calling. Neither Stefanski or Ryan has done it (that I'm aware), but it sounds like that is what Ryan wants. O'Brien's a smart guy. If he thinks Ryan has a "real bright future" in this league, color me intrigued.
@"HappyViking" said:Shurmur is going to call plays.@"Geoff Nichols" said: Sounds like if Stefanski doesn't get the OC position in MN he may end up following Shurmur to the Giants. I'm assuming you mean as Shurmer's OC? I wonder if Pat would let him be the play caller.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"Geoff Nichols" said: I am intrigued with Ryan. He's had a lot of success with both WR's and QB's between the Giants and Texans. But the lack of play calling experience is still a hurdle to get over. If you're going to take that jump with Ryan, why not promote Stefanski internally? At first blush, I would agree. But it makes me wonder about the RPO--the Run/Pass option. Unlike the Wildcat, this seems to be getting a lot of raves around the NFL. Some have called it indefensible (ya, I know). DeShaun Watson used it a lot and it was a big reason for his success. Might the Vikings want to find an OC who has experience with it? Pure speculation, but if so, what would it mean about our QB. It often puts the QB in a vulnerable position. A bad place for QBs with bad knees. But it's something that I think Case could do fairly well.One other thing, as a lot of us have said, there's a big difference between being able to design an offense and understanding the "dance" that is effective play calling. Neither Stefanski or Ryan has done it (that I'm aware), but it sounds like that is what Ryan wants. O'Brien's a smart guy. If he thinks Ryan has a "real bright future" in this league, color me intrigued.
I think the term "RPO" has become more popular this year, but it isn't an entirely new concept. The Vikings offense last year had built in RPO's.The Eagles and Chiefs really started using them regularly in 17' which made the term catch on. As an OC you need someone who can develop a strong game plan and execute it. There are plenty of good coaches that can write a good scripts, but executing it to plan is an entirely different beast. I'm intrigued by Ryan since he's had success developing QB's which inherently would give you a decent feel for play calling. But it still gives me an uncomfortable feeling.
Ideally the Vikings can hire Bevell and promote Stefanski to OC. That'd give him an internal promotion but not put all the play calling weight on his shoulders day 1.
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