So who's going to be the new OC?

@"Jor-El" said:

:# @"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Jor-El" said: I'm not sold on Stefanski, but a big part is being leery of someone who has hung around since the Childress staff and through Les Frazier too. Is that unfair or lacking in loyalty? Maybe - but new NFL coaches often clear out the last regime, and coaches who are truly talented can usually find opportunities with another team. One of my criticisms of Zimmer was that he kept Frazier assistants like George Stewart and Jeff Davidson around - I think it showed a lack of interest in those areas. We finally saw some offensive life under a brighter mind. Stefanski would just be the low-effort choice, and I am hoping a LOT of effort is put into improving this club for the 2018 season.

what you see as a negative,  i see as a positive.  he has stuck around through multiple systems and coordinators.  he has had a lot of experience in seeing what works and what doesnt and if he is still here there must be something about the guy that keeps him employed.  hes also young so he might have a fresher perspective on the game than some of the older dogs that are more entrenched in "their" system than in necessarily making a system that works for the players they have.

I think it really comes down to what Zimmer is comfortable with, he knows Stefanski better than any of us. We could also see another Shumur situation play out too. Say the Vikings end up promoting Stefanski to OC, they could still bring in McAdoo or McCoy as a specialist to help with play calling. 

Oh yeah, that really worked out well and built a nice, stable coaching staff in 2016, didn't it?? I would like to think that, since Zimmer wants to put the offense in someone else's hands, he learned not to put a "replacement in waiting" in place to second-guess the OC that he "trusts"...

Stefanski is only 35 years old, so that plays a part in him staying all this time in one organization. Penn graduate, smart guy, played football there. Was Freshman of the year and 2-time all Ivy League. 

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"Jor-El" said:

:# @"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Jor-El" said: I'm not sold on Stefanski, but a big part is being leery of someone who has hung around since the Childress staff and through Les Frazier too. Is that unfair or lacking in loyalty? Maybe - but new NFL coaches often clear out the last regime, and coaches who are truly talented can usually find opportunities with another team. One of my criticisms of Zimmer was that he kept Frazier assistants like George Stewart and Jeff Davidson around - I think it showed a lack of interest in those areas. We finally saw some offensive life under a brighter mind. Stefanski would just be the low-effort choice, and I am hoping a LOT of effort is put into improving this club for the 2018 season.

what you see as a negative,  i see as a positive.  he has stuck around through multiple systems and coordinators.  he has had a lot of experience in seeing what works and what doesnt and if he is still here there must be something about the guy that keeps him employed.  hes also young so he might have a fresher perspective on the game than some of the older dogs that are more entrenched in "their" system than in necessarily making a system that works for the players they have.

I think it really comes down to what Zimmer is comfortable with, he knows Stefanski better than any of us. We could also see another Shumur situation play out too. Say the Vikings end up promoting Stefanski to OC, they could still bring in McAdoo or McCoy as a specialist to help with play calling. 

Oh yeah, that really worked out well and built a nice, stable coaching staff in 2016, didn't it?? I would like to think that, since Zimmer wants to put the offense in someone else's hands, he learned not to put a "replacement in waiting" in place to second-guess the OC that he "trusts"...

Knowing what ended up happening there, Norv and Shurmur's relationship was not what led to the fallout. 

@"Clanzomaelan" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"Jor-El" said:

:# @"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Jor-El" said: I'm not sold on Stefanski, but a big part is being leery of someone who has hung around since the Childress staff and through Les Frazier too. Is that unfair or lacking in loyalty? Maybe - but new NFL coaches often clear out the last regime, and coaches who are truly talented can usually find opportunities with another team. One of my criticisms of Zimmer was that he kept Frazier assistants like George Stewart and Jeff Davidson around - I think it showed a lack of interest in those areas. We finally saw some offensive life under a brighter mind. Stefanski would just be the low-effort choice, and I am hoping a LOT of effort is put into improving this club for the 2018 season.

what you see as a negative,  i see as a positive.  he has stuck around through multiple systems and coordinators.  he has had a lot of experience in seeing what works and what doesnt and if he is still here there must be something about the guy that keeps him employed.  hes also young so he might have a fresher perspective on the game than some of the older dogs that are more entrenched in "their" system than in necessarily making a system that works for the players they have.

I think it really comes down to what Zimmer is comfortable with, he knows Stefanski better than any of us. We could also see another Shumur situation play out too. Say the Vikings end up promoting Stefanski to OC, they could still bring in McAdoo or McCoy as a specialist to help with play calling. 

Oh yeah, that really worked out well and built a nice, stable coaching staff in 2016, didn't it?? I would like to think that, since Zimmer wants to put the offense in someone else's hands, he learned not to put a "replacement in waiting" in place to second-guess the OC that he "trusts"...

Knowing what ended up happening there, Norv and Shurmur's relationship was not what led to the fallout. 

Is the full story of what happened out there?

@"Jor-El" said:

@"Canthony" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Jor-El" said: I'm not sold on Stefanski, but a big part is being leery of someone who has hung around since the Childress staff and through Les Frazier too. Is that unfair or lacking in loyalty? Maybe - but new NFL coaches often clear out the last regime, and coaches who are truly talented can usually find opportunities with another team. One of my criticisms of Zimmer was that he kept Frazier assistants like George Stewart and Jeff Davidson around - I think it showed a lack of interest in those areas. We finally saw some offensive life under a brighter mind. Stefanski would just be the low-effort choice, and I am hoping a LOT of effort is put into improving this club for the 2018 season.

what you see as a negative,  i see as a positive.  he has stuck around through multiple systems and coordinators.  he has had a lot of experience in seeing what works and what doesnt and if he is still here there must be something about the guy that keeps him employed.  hes also young so he might have a fresher perspective on the game than some of the older dogs that are more entrenched in "their" system than in necessarily making a system that works for the players they have.

I think it really comes down to what Zimmer is comfortable with, he knows Stefanski better than any of us. We could also see another Shumur situation play out too. Say the Vikings end up promoting Stefanski to OC, they could still bring in McAdoo or McCoy as a specialist to help with play calling. 

I have researched a ton this morning about the OC position. I was higher on McCoy. I think I have come out of this morning on the side of McAdoo being our OC. I believe he would be a better fit here with Zimmer and has the pieces to make it work.

McAdoo is my hunch also. But it all comes down to whatever Bill Parcells recommends to Zimmer, right??

@"JimmyinSD" said: not for public consumption...

I don't see why anyone would want to give McAdoo another chance right away. The situation with the Giants turned toxic, he fielded a terrible OL, and the offense imploded. Maybe you blame his situation on injuries, but he should probably be a position coach for a year or two. McCoy just feels very uninspired. He was mediocre in SD/LA and things fell apart rapidly in Denver. Denver has a pretty bad front office situation right now, so maybe he gets a bit more benefit of the doubt, but I do worry about coaches with overly complicated offenses offenses and rightly or wrongly, it does make me fear the Norv Turner not adapting the offense to fit his personnel. We don't necessarily need to promote Stefanski, but surely there must be some more intriguing options out there?

What I liked about Shurmur is that he worked with a variety of offenses, was willing to shape the offense to fit his talent, actually ran modern concepts (sure there are plenty of options that could do that), and he was a good play caller particularly in the red zone.

Burnsie... 

Fuck yes! B)

@"Kentis" said: Burnsie... 

Fuck yes! B)

of course its only January

Bob Schnelker!

@"Tyr" said: I don't see why anyone would want to give McAdoo another chance right away. The situation with the Giants turned toxic, he fielded a terrible OL, and the offense imploded. Maybe you blame his situation on injuries, but he should probably be a position coach for a year or two. McCoy just feels very uninspired. He was mediocre in SD/LA and things fell apart rapidly in Denver. Denver has a pretty bad front office situation right now, so maybe he gets a bit more benefit of the doubt, but I do worry about coaches with overly complicated offenses offenses and rightly or wrongly, it does make me fear the Norv Turner not adapting the offense to fit his personnel. We don't necessarily need to promote Stefanski, but surely there must be some more intriguing options out there?

What I liked about Shurmur is that he worked with a variety of offenses, was willing to shape the offense to fit his talent, actually ran modern concepts (sure there are plenty of options that could do that), and he was a good play caller particularly in the red zone.

Sounds like Darell Bevell is the favorite right now if it's someone external. 

@"Geoff Nichols" said: Sounds like Darell Bevell is the favorite right now if it's someone external. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: Sounds like Darell Bevell is the favorite right now if it's someone external. 

so does this speak to who they might be favoring in the QB discussion?  Bevell's best work was with a very mobile QB,  would that maybe suggest that Sam would not be a first choice for the team and maybe favor Case?  or I am grasping here?

@"pumpf" said: Bob Schnelker!

Bevell and Alex Smith

CB and WR depth via modest FA pick ups

Add a starting G via first round, DT via trade, DE via 3rd round pick

offense gets better, breaks top 10, defense remains in top 5. Another double digit win season and a shot at a Super Bowl

@"Skodin" said: Bevell and Alex Smith

CB and WR depth via modest FA pick ups

Add a starting G via first round, DT via trade, DE via 3rd round pick

offense gets better, breaks top 10, defense remains in top 5. Another double digit win season and a shot at a Super Bowl

I think Smith's skill set would work perfect with Bevell

@"BigAl99" said:

@"pumpf" said: Bob Schnelker!

Bob don't F..n Block or catch the F..n ball

Bevell (shudder)
Wackadoo (hide your children)

Uggh.  I liked Shurmur.  Don't want to trade coaches with the Giants, that doesn't seem like a winning combination.

@"greediron" said: Bevell (shudder) Wackadoo (hide your children)

Uggh.  I liked Shurmur.  Don't want to trade coaches with the Giants, that doesn't seem like a winning combination.

McAdoo would come here in the role that promoted him though. McAdoo did some great things with that offense. I would welcome either one