Keenum

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"Vikergirl" said: Seriously? That's ridiculous. It was the OL getting the credit all season long. What about them tonight? This game showed we need more help there.  I don't want them not to sign Keenum. 

Depends on the price. Although I wouldn't count it out I don't know if this performance convinces you to spend $23M on Case via the tag. The O-Line still needs to be improved, but what else can you get for $23M is the question? 

@"medaille" said: This isn't about who (singularly) was 100% at fault for the loss.  The D sucked.  The OLine sucked.  The coaches sucked.  Case sucked.

I think the Case we saw today, is the Case we'll see if the OLine isn't performing well and we're not completely shutting teams out and playing from behind.  I'm not convinced Keenum is the long term guy for us.  I'd rather roll the dice on Bridgewater at this point.  I think any mediocre QB will get us to the playoffs, but we need to find a guy that is a plus QB if we want to make the next step.

Anyways, the only rent a qb I'd really get up for is Brees...Not sure Cousins is the guy you are describing much more than Case is?

Garrapolo is a URFA right? Hell, go after him if thats the case. 

@"Ralphie" said: Just disagree. Our O-line again could not stand tall.  And our D collapsed and looked like Detroit.  That's not on Case.

I've been a Bridgewater guy.  I thought if they were going to make a move, it would be at Carolina.  They stuck with Keenum, and it was the right call.

This loss absolutely isn't on Keenum.  It's on the O-line, and the defense.  Mostly the defense.

The D has been so great all year.  I don't know how that could have been the way we lost -- being absolute dogsh*t on third down.

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"medaille" said: This isn't about who (singularly) was 100% at fault for the loss.  The D sucked.  The OLine sucked.  The coaches sucked.  Case sucked.

I think the Case we saw today, is the Case we'll see if the OLine isn't performing well and we're not completely shutting teams out and playing from behind.  I'm not convinced Keenum is the long term guy for us.  I'd rather roll the dice on Bridgewater at this point.  I think any mediocre QB will get us to the playoffs, but we need to find a guy that is a plus QB if we want to make the next step.

No way I'd hitch my wagon to Bridgewater. I just cant see the clear rationale with all thats at stake.

Anyways, the only rent a qb I'd really get up for is Brees...Not sure Cousins is the guy you are describing much more than Case is?

Garrapolo is a URFA right? Hell, go after him if thats the case. 

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: I would say Case is partially to blame, but it isn't all on him. The offensive line didn't do him any favors tonight, but he missed throws too. Both Bridgewater/Bradford would have performed poorly with such little time. I do think this gives you some hesitation before you tag him for $23M though. You have the defense and skill players, do you risk it for $23M on Keenum or call all in on a more proven commodity (Brees/Cousins). 

Worst situation for any of qb's was exactly what happened. To fall behind and get one dimensional. Against that D, on the road, on grass.

Brees? Hell yah, but I don't see him leaving that town or franchise. I know they've got some cap issues and players to reconcile with but the Saints (imo) have a very bright future and strong, young nucleus. Lordy I am tired of the qb questions that have plagued this franchise since Pepp went down in 05. UGH 

Geoff, I'm starting to wonder if that vaunted Viking D is really schematically that good? They've looked pretty vulnerable as of late. Not sure how much of this to lay at the feet of Zimm/Edwards vs Players? Maybe it's not an either or thing...And someone will surely call me out for questioning them given the statistics they put on the board this year. 

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: I would say Case is partially to blame, but it isn't all on him. The offensive line didn't do him any favors tonight, but he missed throws too. Both Bridgewater/Bradford would have performed poorly with such little time. I do think this gives you some hesitation before you tag him for $23M though. You have the defense and skill players, do you risk it for $23M on Keenum or call all in on a more proven commodity (Brees/Cousins). 

Worst situation for any of qb's was exactly what happened. To fall behind and get one dimensional. Against that D, on the road, on grass.

Brees? Hell yah, but I don't see him leaving that town or franchise. I know they've got some cap issues and players to reconcile with but the Saints (imo) have a very bright future and strong, young nucleus. Lordy I am tired of the qb questions that have plagued this franchise since Pepp went down in 05. UGH 

Geoff, I'm starting to wonder if that vaunted Viking D is really schematically that good? They've looked pretty vulnerable as of late. Not sure how much of this to lay at the feet of Zimm/Edwards vs Players? Maybe it's not an either or thing...And someone will surely call me out for questioning them given the statistics they put on the board this year. 

Zimmer is one of the best defensive coaches in the league. But giving his player the reigns to play what they see could make a massive difference moving forward. 

It wasn't Zimmer who didn't contain the run.  It was EG.

He is a little overrated imo.  As is Hunter.  

@"A1Janitor" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: I would say Case is partially to blame, but it isn't all on him. The offensive line didn't do him any favors tonight, but he missed throws too. Both Bridgewater/Bradford would have performed poorly with such little time. I do think this gives you some hesitation before you tag him for $23M though. You have the defense and skill players, do you risk it for $23M on Keenum or call all in on a more proven commodity (Brees/Cousins). 

Worst situation for any of qb's was exactly what happened. To fall behind and get one dimensional. Against that D, on the road, on grass.

Brees? Hell yah, but I don't see him leaving that town or franchise. I know they've got some cap issues and players to reconcile with but the Saints (imo) have a very bright future and strong, young nucleus. Lordy I am tired of the qb questions that have plagued this franchise since Pepp went down in 05. UGH 

Geoff, I'm starting to wonder if that vaunted Viking D is really schematically that good? They've looked pretty vulnerable as of late. Not sure how much of this to lay at the feet of Zimm/Edwards vs Players? Maybe it's not an either or thing...And someone will surely call me out for questioning them given the statistics they put on the board this year. 

Zimmer is one of the best defensive coaches in the league. But giving his player the reigns to play what they see could make a massive difference moving forward. 

That will end up,with plays like Williams against Diggs in NO.  And the beginning ingredients of the firing of the coach. 

@"Geoff Nichols" said: I would say Case is partially to blame, but it isn't all on him. The offensive line didn't do him any favors tonight, but he missed throws too. Both Bridgewater/Bradford would have performed poorly with such little time. I do think this gives you some hesitation before you tag him for $23M though. You have the defense and skill players, do you risk it for $23M on Keenum or call all in on a more proven commodity (Brees/Cousins). 

Our defense was the problem more than anything. End of story. I think they read too many headlines the past few weeks. They would be a pimple on the ass of the 85 bears and 2000 ravens.

@"A1Janitor" said: It wasn't Zimmer who didn't contain the run.  It was EG.

He is a little overrated imo.  As is Hunter.  

Keenum showed the weaknesses in his game tonight and the OL was exposed(with some injuries recently too)
Keenum is NOT and accurate passer and tonight he wasn't getting bailed out by remarkable catches.  He was off target all night.
Keenum also is mobile but not necessarily savvy 'within' the pocket, he had opportunities to move when he felt pressure but didn't feel it and move-he locked onto his targets. 
He also was responsible (and the OL) for all 3 turnovers that lead to 14 points.
The defense sucked tonight but would have had to play it's best to keep them in the game the way to OL and QB played and I put plenty of blame at the feet of the OC for a very uninspired game plan and play calling.

@"AGRforever" said: well ive been tooting his horn for months. tonight and the second half of last week has shown me that he isnt it. you cant win a superbowl with shit at QB. its time to risk it and find a real QB. I dont know how or where but keenum, bridgewater and because of his knee bradford isnt it. 

Sam and Teddy would have had a MUCH worse time behind that line play.  They got pressure up the middle and both ends nearly every play.  There was nowhere to run and ZERO time to plant his feet.  He was running for his life nearly every play and having to get it out quick to avoid sacks.  

He didnt give up all of those points.  Our D is the biggest and favored part of the team.  To win these big games you need stops, sacks and turnovers.  We saw non of that.  Made Foles look like a god.  

Last night was maybe a silver lining, because it takes pressure off the front office to overpay Keenum or even commit to him.   Outside of the purple koolaid crowd, the limits to his game have been apparent for some time, and I say that while also appreciating what he's done and the fire and competitiveness he brought to the team this year.   But at the same, as I posted elsewhere, at least once a game he makes you close your eyes and pray that the wobbly wounded duck he just tossed up doesn't end up in the opponnent's hands or worse a pick 6.

If I were Spielman and the doctors assured me Bradfords knees were going to hold up, I'd target him as #1 and the future would be to see what Sloter can do.   I'd let Case go find his market whatever that is, and see if Teddy wants to be #2 at lower $ (or maybe force the tolling issue?  Probably not a great idea but possible?), though I think Teddy would probably rather find a desperate team to take cap friendly chance on him and his knees than be a backup.   I don't know how much Zimmer's love affair with Teddy enters in this either.

Regardless, the silver lining is that none of these three should cost top $ because of the question marks about all of them.

This is the time for the Teddy fanboys to poke their heads back out. 

This was the NFCC game on the road. 13 regular season wins. An amazing win at US Bank. But now Keenum sucks....only on this board.

We'll find out soon enough what the Vikings plan to do. And I'll support it. Hopefully, its the right decision.

The D completely shit the bed, and that's on Case? Wow...breath taking stupidity...

@"A1Janitor" said: It wasn't Zimmer who didn't contain the run.  It was EG.

He is a little overrated imo.  As is Hunter.  

@"Tom Moore" said:

@"A1Janitor" said: It wasn't Zimmer who didn't contain the run.  It was EG.

He is a little overrated imo.  As is Hunter.  

Griffen has been playing with a foot injury for 6 weeks.  You will note that his sack total stopped about that point

I get the injury thing.  But at what point do we put Hunter over there and Brian playing?  Or something.  

He wasnt doing his job.