Kirk in Minnesota long term?

@"pattersaur" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

@"Havoc1649" said: With a good defense and our current offense with Cousins can absolutely win a Super Bowl. Cousins is freaking unflappable. That is really hard to find. He’s also one of the toughest QB’s in the league. The guy still gets hurt, he just plays through it. He had a stretch towards the end of this year where he played with a bad shoulder for 3 games or so. The guy just keeps grinding. 

I don’t know who else watched the SuperBowl, but in my opinion, if we had the defense, we could have beat either of those teams.  We have a great opportunity to strengthen our defense with good corners and awesome edge defenders available this year. I’m all about winning this coming year. If some cap space can get cleared, this team can see good improvement all around through development and bringing in a couple of guys. 

Our offense is so good that we scored 7 points at home against the CLEVELAND BROWNS. Dude. I’m not trying to be negative I swear but we are a long ways away from a Super Bowl. 

I dont get the point; Brady and The Bucs lost ZERO to 9 to the Saints at home in 12/21 too...

Vikings get an even average D? I think they're absolutely a contender for a dance spot in post season NFC. 

If my uncle had tits he’d be my aunt. 

It’s the NFL. Every fanbase can rationalize how close they are. The Vikings are very far away. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Riphawkins" said:

@"bigbone62" said: From 2015 which was Cousins first year as the full time starter to 2020, Stafford's last year in Detroit here are their numbers. Pretty obvious why the comparison. Obvious if you are going off of real things and not clichés ole football coaches use that is. Numbers that are bolded are categories they bested the other QB in. 

Stafford
Games: 88
W-L: 39-48-1
Comp %:65.6
Passing Yards: 23,395
Rushing Yards: 713
Total Yards: 24,108
QB Rating: 96.2
Passing TDs: 151
Rushing TDs: 3
Total TDs: 154
INT’s: 59
Fumbles Lost: 3
Total Turnovers:62
Turnover Differential: +92

Playoffs: 0-1

Cousins

Games: 95

W-L: 49-44-2

Comp %: 68

Passing Yards: 25,342

Rushing Yards: 665

Total Yards: 26,007

QB Rating: 100.5

Passing TD’s: 172

Rushing TD’S: 16

Total TD’s 188

INT’s: 65

Fumbles Lost: 5

Total Turnovers: 70

Turnover Differential: +118

Playoffs: 1-2

Looks like Cousins is better, and I’m not being a smart ass.

Watched a couple of Rams games this year and Stafford didn’t look great, but that throw near the end of the game in Tampa Bay was a thing of beauty. 
Cousins can make that throw.

Kirk can make about any throw the play book requires,  but if he's pressured,  will he?  And if the play breaks down,  which so often happens in the NFL,  can/will Kirk make that throw/play is where the top QBs separate themselves from Kirk IMO  its not what he can do with time,  its what he hasn't shown to do when things don't go as planned,  thats why I dont like the idea of paying him like those top guys.

Yabbut, some of the QBs who can do exactly what you want can't do other things as well as Kirk can. Tebow, RGIII, Newton, Locker, Manziel, Mayfield...hell even Ponder could escape and make a play, but none of them had Cousins' arm talent. Specifically, his accuracy. 

Cousins isn't a perfect QB. But he does so many things incredibly well. And he's the kind of QB you can win a Super Bowl with if he has weapons, moderate protection, league average defense and a coach who doesn't butt-punt every close game he's in. 

If you're waiting for a mobile, elusive QB who can also do what Kirk does, you're going to be waiting a very very long time. I will say, however, the NFL seems to be getting a little better at identifying who those QBs are--probably analytics. So maybe we'll get lucky. 

@"bigbone62" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: I suspect when they extend KC, his $ will be less than Brady, Mahomes, Allen or Rogers...

But he deserves to be in the next tier. 

Brady has been playing for under 29 million...I wish we could get Kirk to see the benefit of that for him.

I'm sure Cousins and every player wished they were married to a supermodel worth $400 million. Alas just Brady, so the comparison is brutal.  Easy to take way less when your wife pulls  tens of millions more in annual salary than you. 

kirk has made 160 million in his career.... does it really fucking matter at that point?  if this is about the money for kirk at this point... I think that would make the decision even that much easier to move on from him.

And there it is, the painfully transparent jealous fan whining about "how much is enough" post. He's paid exactly what the market has dictated he be paid. If you arent getting paid what your profession dictates, you may want to take a look at the guy representing you at pay bump time.

If you are getting paid what you're worth. I sure hope you don't have know it alls who've never done your job obsessing about you online. Simply because you're better off financially and can do something they never could. 

Simply because you or I will never sniff that amount of money doesn't mean he, or any athlete doesnt deserve every penny they make.  Because NCAAF and NFL chew these guys up and spit them out to make insane profits. 

You have absolutely no clue what these guys give up. Family,  physical and mental health, substance abuse issues among much more. All a direct result of playing a game for your entertainment. I'm sure if you could "play the game for free" you would. Until you've actually played and realize it's not the fantasyland version Joe Sixpack thinks it is.

@"comet52" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"comet52" said: I don't want Matt Stafford any more than I want Kirk.  I didn't want Trent Dilfer after he won a ring with the Ravens.  I want the franchise to find a real franchise qb, the kind of guy who makes you relevant every year, not the guy who if you put the perfect team around him and have a bunch of luck he might win it once in his career.  

Hey, you're not asking for much are ya? LOL

Here are all the QBs taken in the 1st round since 2010. There's 39 QBs here. I've bolded the ones I think pass your test. There are five of them. And I'm being nice with a couple, because only 1 of the 39 has won a Super Bowl. So 5 outta 39. That's 12%. We have a 12% chance of finding that guy in the draft. Even in the 1st round. And MOST of these guys are top 10 picks. We likely won't be picking that high. 

I would bold Watson and maybe Luck.   The team hasn't had that type of guy since Fran, outside of Favre's last good year, the only year since Wilf bought the team where they had a legit shot at a title.

I'm not asking for much in light of a franchise failing to find the right guy for 4 decades and funny, failing to even get to a SB since then.   Your saying it's hard to achieve greatness so don't bother trying.  

@"StickyBun" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: I suspect when they extend KC, his $ will be less than Brady, Mahomes, Allen or Rogers...

But he deserves to be in the next tier. 

Brady has been playing for under 29 million...I wish we could get Kirk to see the benefit of that for him.

I'm sure Cousins and every player wished they were married to a supermodel worth $400 million. Alas just Brady, so the comparison is brutal.  Easy to take way less when your wife pulls  tens of millions more in annual salary than you. 

kirk has made 160 million in his career.... does it really fucking matter at that point?  if this is about the money for kirk at this point... I think that would make the decision even that much easier to move on from him.

And there it is, the painfully transparent jealous fan whining about "how much is enough" post. He's paid exactly what the market has dictated he be paid. If you arent getting paid what your profession dictates, you may want to take a look at the guy representing you at pay bump time.

If you are getting paid what you're worth. I sure hope you don't have know it alls who've never done your job obsessing about you online. Simply because you're better off financially and can do something they never could. 

Simply because you or I will never sniff that amount of money doesn't mean he, or any athlete doesnt deserve every penny they make.  Because NCAAF and NFL chew these guys up and spit them out to make insane profits. 

You have absolutely no clue what these guys give up. Family,  physical and mental health, substance abuse issues among much more. All a direct result of playing a game for your entertainment. I'm sure if you could "play the game for free" you would. Until you've actually played and realize it's not the fantasyland version Joe Sixpack thinks it is.

I said as much last week. Nothing screams tone deaf more than the 'how much money is enough' stuff from fans. Nonsensical.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"comet52" said: I don't want Matt Stafford any more than I want Kirk.  I didn't want Trent Dilfer after he won a ring with the Ravens.  I want the franchise to find a real franchise qb, the kind of guy who makes you relevant every year, not the guy who if you put the perfect team around him and have a bunch of luck he might win it once in his career.  

Hey, you're not asking for much are ya? LOL

Here are all the QBs taken in the 1st round since 2010. There's 39 QBs here. I've bolded the ones I think pass your test. There are five of them. And I'm being nice with a couple, because only 1 of the 39 has won a Super Bowl. So 5 outta 39. That's 12%. We have a 12% chance of finding that guy in the draft. Even in the 1st round. And MOST of these guys are top 10 picks. We likely won't be picking that high. 

You know who did it right? The Rams when they brought in Stafford. The Bucs when they brought in Brady. The Broncos when they brought in Manning. If the Vikings are smart they will hand the keys to KOC's offense to Cousins and take their shot at a QB in next year's draft. 

#1   Sam Bradford   QB   Oklahoma   St. Louis Rams
#25   Tim Tebow   QB   Florida   Denver Broncos
#1   Cam Newton   QB   Auburn   Carolina Panthers
#8   Jake Locker   QB   Washington   Tennessee Titans
#10   Blaine Gabbert   QB   Missouri   Jacksonville Jaguars
#12   Christian Ponder   QB   Florida State   Minnesota Vikings
#1   Andrew Luck   QB   Stanford   Indianapolis Colts
#2   Robert Griffin   QB   Baylor   Washington Redskins
#8   Ryan Tannehill   QB   Texas A&M   Miami Dolphins
#22   Brandon Weeden   QB   Oklahoma State   Cleveland Browns

#16   EJ Manuel   QB   Florida State   Buffalo Bills
#3   Blake Bortles   QB   Central Florida   Jacksonville Jaguars
#22   Johnny Manziel   QB   Texas A&M   Cleveland Browns
#32   Teddy Bridgewater   QB   Louisville   Minnesota Vikings
#1   Jameis Winston   QB   Florida State   Tampa Bay Buccaneers
#2   Marcus Mariota   QB   Oregon   Tennessee Titans
#1   Jared Goff   QB   California   Los Angeles Rams
#2   Carson Wentz   QB   North Dakota State   Philadelphia Eagles
#26   Paxton Lynch   QB   Memphis   Denver Broncos
#2   Mitchell Trubisky   QB   North Carolina   Chicago Bears
#10   Patrick Mahomes   QB   Texas Tech   Kansas City Chiefs
#12   Deshaun Watson   QB   Clemson   Houston Texans
#1   Baker Mayfield   QB   Oklahoma   Cleveland Browns
#3   Sam Darnold   QB   USC   New York Jets
#7   Josh Allen   QB   Wyoming   Buffalo Bills
#10   Josh Rosen   QB   UCLA   Arizona Cardinals
#32   Lamar Jackson   QB   Louisville   Baltimore Ravens
#1   Kyler Murray   QB   Oklahoma   Arizona Cardinals
#6   Daniel Jones   QB   Duke   New York Giants
#15   Dwayne Haskins   QB   Ohio State   Washington Redskins
#1 Joe Burrow QB LSU Benglas
#5 Tua Tagovailoa QB Alabama Miami Dolphins
#6 Justin Herbert QB Oregon LA Chargers
#26 Jordan Love QB Utah St. Green Bay Packers
#1 Trevor Lawrence QB Clemson Jax Jags
#2 Zach Wilson QB BYU NY Jets
#3 Trey Lance QB ND State 49ers
#11 Justin Fields QB OSU Bears
#15 Mac Jones QB Alabama Patriots

@"Knucklehead" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"comet52" said: I don't want Matt Stafford any more than I want Kirk.  I didn't want Trent Dilfer after he won a ring with the Ravens.  I want the franchise to find a real franchise qb, the kind of guy who makes you relevant every year, not the guy who if you put the perfect team around him and have a bunch of luck he might win it once in his career.  

Hey, you're not asking for much are ya? LOL

Here are all the QBs taken in the 1st round since 2010. There's 39 QBs here. I've bolded the ones I think pass your test. There are five of them. And I'm being nice with a couple, because only 1 of the 39 has won a Super Bowl. So 5 outta 39. That's 12%. We have a 12% chance of finding that guy in the draft. Even in the 1st round. And MOST of these guys are top 10 picks. We likely won't be picking that high. 

You know who did it right? The Rams when they brought in Stafford. The Bucs when they brought in Brady. The Broncos when they brought in Manning. If the Vikings are smart they will hand the keys to KOC's offense to Cousins and take their shot at a QB in next year's draft. 

#1   Sam Bradford   QB   Oklahoma   St. Louis Rams
#25   Tim Tebow   QB   Florida   Denver Broncos
#1   Cam Newton   QB   Auburn   Carolina Panthers
#8   Jake Locker   QB   Washington   Tennessee Titans
#10   Blaine Gabbert   QB   Missouri   Jacksonville Jaguars
#12   Christian Ponder   QB   Florida State   Minnesota Vikings
#1   Andrew Luck   QB   Stanford   Indianapolis Colts
#2   Robert Griffin   QB   Baylor   Washington Redskins
#8   Ryan Tannehill   QB   Texas A&M   Miami Dolphins
#22   Brandon Weeden   QB   Oklahoma State   Cleveland Browns

#16   EJ Manuel   QB   Florida State   Buffalo Bills
#3   Blake Bortles   QB   Central Florida   Jacksonville Jaguars
#22   Johnny Manziel   QB   Texas A&M   Cleveland Browns
#32   Teddy Bridgewater   QB   Louisville   Minnesota Vikings
#1   Jameis Winston   QB   Florida State   Tampa Bay Buccaneers
#2   Marcus Mariota   QB   Oregon   Tennessee Titans
#1   Jared Goff   QB   California   Los Angeles Rams
#2   Carson Wentz   QB   North Dakota State   Philadelphia Eagles
#26   Paxton Lynch   QB   Memphis   Denver Broncos
#2   Mitchell Trubisky   QB   North Carolina   Chicago Bears
#10   Patrick Mahomes   QB   Texas Tech   Kansas City Chiefs
#12   Deshaun Watson   QB   Clemson   Houston Texans
#1   Baker Mayfield   QB   Oklahoma   Cleveland Browns
#3   Sam Darnold   QB   USC   New York Jets
#7   Josh Allen   QB   Wyoming   Buffalo Bills
#10   Josh Rosen   QB   UCLA   Arizona Cardinals
#32   Lamar Jackson   QB   Louisville   Baltimore Ravens
#1   Kyler Murray   QB   Oklahoma   Arizona Cardinals
#6   Daniel Jones   QB   Duke   New York Giants
#15   Dwayne Haskins   QB   Ohio State   Washington Redskins
#1 Joe Burrow QB LSU Benglas
#5 Tua Tagovailoa QB Alabama Miami Dolphins
#6 Justin Herbert QB Oregon LA Chargers
#26 Jordan Love QB Utah St. Green Bay Packers
#1 Trevor Lawrence QB Clemson Jax Jags
#2 Zach Wilson QB BYU NY Jets
#3 Trey Lance QB ND State 49ers
#11 Justin Fields QB OSU Bears
#15 Mac Jones QB Alabama Patriots

The thing that most of these teams have in common is that they built a championship caliber team, then they brought in their franchise QB. The Rams traded for Stafford. The Bucs signed Brady. KC & Buffalo drafted theirs. We're not there yet.

The more that I think about it if the team wants to keep Kirk short term, they should do so by adding one or two void years to his current contract. I have no issue with paying him $35M annually. But, the thought of going up to $40M or more which is what the market will dictate makes me cringe & I say that realizing that the Cap is going to take a big jump in 2023. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"comet52" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"comet52" said: I don't want Matt Stafford any more than I want Kirk.  I didn't want Trent Dilfer after he won a ring with the Ravens.  I want the franchise to find a real franchise qb, the kind of guy who makes you relevant every year, not the guy who if you put the perfect team around him and have a bunch of luck he might win it once in his career.  

Hey, you're not asking for much are ya? LOL

Here are all the QBs taken in the 1st round since 2010. There's 39 QBs here. I've bolded the ones I think pass your test. There are five of them. And I'm being nice with a couple, because only 1 of the 39 has won a Super Bowl. So 5 outta 39. That's 12%. We have a 12% chance of finding that guy in the draft. Even in the 1st round. And MOST of these guys are top 10 picks. We likely won't be picking that high. 

I would bold Watson and maybe Luck.   The team hasn't had that type of guy since Fran, outside of Favre's last good year, the only year since Wilf bought the team where they had a legit shot at a title.

I'm not asking for much in light of a franchise failing to find the right guy for 4 decades and funny, failing to even get to a SB since then.   Your saying it's hard to achieve greatness so don't bother trying.  

No, I'm saying it's hard to find greatness in the draft. But you can go buy it. 

You can't put Luck or Watson in bold. Neither one is even a starter. Not saying they weren't a good draft pick. Just that they aren't currently meeting your criteria. Or helping their teams. There are a hundred reasons QBs fail. Injury, off-field issues are just two of them. But it does (or should) make you appreciate character and durability in a veteran if you can find it. 

See how the first 2/3 of the list is unbolded? Only recently did we start to see some success. But it makes you wonder:  is the NFL getting better at identifying talent? Or have those picks just not had enough time to fuck up yet? 

Herbert, Burrow, Allen and Murray look good now, but Bradford, RGIII, and Cam Newton were all rookies of the year. Teams who drafted Luck, Winston, Mariota, Wentz, Goff, Trubisky, and Bridgewater thought they hit paydirt too. 

@"comet52" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"comet52" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"comet52" said: I don't want Matt Stafford any more than I want Kirk.  I didn't want Trent Dilfer after he won a ring with the Ravens.  I want the franchise to find a real franchise qb, the kind of guy who makes you relevant every year, not the guy who if you put the perfect team around him and have a bunch of luck he might win it once in his career.  

Hey, you're not asking for much are ya? LOL

Here are all the QBs taken in the 1st round since 2010. There's 39 QBs here. I've bolded the ones I think pass your test. There are five of them. And I'm being nice with a couple, because only 1 of the 39 has won a Super Bowl. So 5 outta 39. That's 12%. We have a 12% chance of finding that guy in the draft. Even in the 1st round. And MOST of these guys are top 10 picks. We likely won't be picking that high. 

I would bold Watson and maybe Luck.   The team hasn't had that type of guy since Fran, outside of Favre's last good year, the only year since Wilf bought the team where they had a legit shot at a title.

I'm not asking for much in light of a franchise failing to find the right guy for 4 decades and funny, failing to even get to a SB since then.   Your saying it's hard to achieve greatness so don't bother trying.  

No, I'm saying it's hard to find greatness in the draft. But you can go buy it. 

You can't put Luck or Watson in bold. Neither one is even a starter. Not saying they weren't a good draft pick. Just that they aren't currently meeting your criteria. Or helping their teams. There are a hundred reasons QBs fail. Injury, off-field issues are just two of them. But it does (or should) make you appreciate character and durability in a veteran if you can find it. 

See how the first 2/3 of the list is unbolded? Only recently did we start to see some success. But it makes you wonder:  is the NFL getting better at identifying talent? Or have those picks just not had enough time to fuck up yet? 

Herbert, Burrow, Allen and Murray look good now, but Bradford, RGIII, and Cam Newton were all rookies of the year. Teams who drafted Luck, Winston, Mariota, Wentz, Goff, Trubisky, and Bridgewater thought they hit paydirt too. 

Kirk is not who I would gamble my new career on if I were KAM/KOC.  Just my gambler's opinion...

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

@"Havoc1649" said: With a good defense and our current offense with Cousins can absolutely win a Super Bowl. Cousins is freaking unflappable. That is really hard to find. He’s also one of the toughest QB’s in the league. The guy still gets hurt, he just plays through it. He had a stretch towards the end of this year where he played with a bad shoulder for 3 games or so. The guy just keeps grinding. 

I don’t know who else watched the SuperBowl, but in my opinion, if we had the defense, we could have beat either of those teams.  We have a great opportunity to strengthen our defense with good corners and awesome edge defenders available this year. I’m all about winning this coming year. If some cap space can get cleared, this team can see good improvement all around through development and bringing in a couple of guys. 

Our offense is so good that we scored 7 points at home against the CLEVELAND BROWNS. Dude. I’m not trying to be negative I swear but we are a long ways away from a Super Bowl. 

Cincinati went from worst to first in the AFC in two years. We’re always in play. 

2 key  differences.They have a stud QB and they aren't paying him 35 million a year.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: I suspect when they extend KC, his $ will be less than Brady, Mahomes, Allen or Rogers...

But he deserves to be in the next tier. 

Brady has been playing for under 29 million...I wish we could get Kirk to see the benefit of that for him.

I'm sure Cousins and every player wished they were married to a supermodel worth $400 million. Alas just Brady, so the comparison is brutal.  Easy to take way less when your wife pulls  tens of millions more in annual salary than you. 

kirk has made 160 million in his career.... does it really fucking matter at that point?  if this is about the money for kirk at this point... I think that would make the decision even that much easier to move on from him.

And there it is, the painfully transparent jealous fan whining about "how much is enough" post. He's paid exactly what the market has dictated he be paid. If you arent getting paid what your profession dictates, you may want to take a look at the guy representing you at pay bump time.

If you are getting paid what you're worth. I sure hope you don't have know it alls who've never done your job obsessing about you online. Simply because you're better off financially and can do something they never could. 

Simply because you or I will never sniff that amount of money doesn't mean he, or any athlete doesnt deserve every penny they make.  Because NCAAF and NFL chew these guys up and spit them out to make insane profits. 

You have absolutely no clue what these guys give up. Family,  physical and mental health, substance abuse issues among much more. All a direct result of playing a game for your entertainment. I'm sure if you could "play the game for free" you would. Until you've actually played and realize it's not the fantasyland version Joe Sixpack thinks it is.

I said as much last week. Nothing screams tone deaf more than the 'how much money is enough' stuff from fans. Nonsensical.

Then why did Brady play for less then?  

@"JustinTime18™" said:

@"comet52" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"comet52" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"comet52" said: I don't want Matt Stafford any more than I want Kirk.  I didn't want Trent Dilfer after he won a ring with the Ravens.  I want the franchise to find a real franchise qb, the kind of guy who makes you relevant every year, not the guy who if you put the perfect team around him and have a bunch of luck he might win it once in his career.  

Hey, you're not asking for much are ya? LOL

Here are all the QBs taken in the 1st round since 2010. There's 39 QBs here. I've bolded the ones I think pass your test. There are five of them. And I'm being nice with a couple, because only 1 of the 39 has won a Super Bowl. So 5 outta 39. That's 12%. We have a 12% chance of finding that guy in the draft. Even in the 1st round. And MOST of these guys are top 10 picks. We likely won't be picking that high. 

I would bold Watson and maybe Luck.   The team hasn't had that type of guy since Fran, outside of Favre's last good year, the only year since Wilf bought the team where they had a legit shot at a title.

I'm not asking for much in light of a franchise failing to find the right guy for 4 decades and funny, failing to even get to a SB since then.   Your saying it's hard to achieve greatness so don't bother trying.  

No, I'm saying it's hard to find greatness in the draft. But you can go buy it. 

You can't put Luck or Watson in bold. Neither one is even a starter. Not saying they weren't a good draft pick. Just that they aren't currently meeting your criteria. Or helping their teams. There are a hundred reasons QBs fail. Injury, off-field issues are just two of them. But it does (or should) make you appreciate character and durability in a veteran if you can find it. 

See how the first 2/3 of the list is unbolded? Only recently did we start to see some success. But it makes you wonder:  is the NFL getting better at identifying talent? Or have those picks just not had enough time to fuck up yet? 

Herbert, Burrow, Allen and Murray look good now, but Bradford, RGIII, and Cam Newton were all rookies of the year. Teams who drafted Luck, Winston, Mariota, Wentz, Goff, Trubisky, and Bridgewater thought they hit paydirt too. 

Kirk is not who I would gamble my new career on if I were KAM/KOC.  Just my gambler's opinion...

Who would you go after?

I honestly dont think we've seen the best from KC yet...

Extending him out with some void years seems inevitable and right as rain. 

New system, new staff, a HC that doesnt hate you, some improvement on D?

No reason this team can't win 2- 3 more games. Thats a 10-11 win season. 

@"JustinTime18™" said:

@"comet52" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"comet52" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"comet52" said: I don't want Matt Stafford any more than I want Kirk.  I didn't want Trent Dilfer after he won a ring with the Ravens.  I want the franchise to find a real franchise qb, the kind of guy who makes you relevant every year, not the guy who if you put the perfect team around him and have a bunch of luck he might win it once in his career.  

Hey, you're not asking for much are ya? LOL

Here are all the QBs taken in the 1st round since 2010. There's 39 QBs here. I've bolded the ones I think pass your test. There are five of them. And I'm being nice with a couple, because only 1 of the 39 has won a Super Bowl. So 5 outta 39. That's 12%. We have a 12% chance of finding that guy in the draft. Even in the 1st round. And MOST of these guys are top 10 picks. We likely won't be picking that high. 

I would bold Watson and maybe Luck.   The team hasn't had that type of guy since Fran, outside of Favre's last good year, the only year since Wilf bought the team where they had a legit shot at a title.

I'm not asking for much in light of a franchise failing to find the right guy for 4 decades and funny, failing to even get to a SB since then.   Your saying it's hard to achieve greatness so don't bother trying.  

No, I'm saying it's hard to find greatness in the draft. But you can go buy it. 

You can't put Luck or Watson in bold. Neither one is even a starter. Not saying they weren't a good draft pick. Just that they aren't currently meeting your criteria. Or helping their teams. There are a hundred reasons QBs fail. Injury, off-field issues are just two of them. But it does (or should) make you appreciate character and durability in a veteran if you can find it. 

See how the first 2/3 of the list is unbolded? Only recently did we start to see some success. But it makes you wonder:  is the NFL getting better at identifying talent? Or have those picks just not had enough time to fuck up yet? 

Herbert, Burrow, Allen and Murray look good now, but Bradford, RGIII, and Cam Newton were all rookies of the year. Teams who drafted Luck, Winston, Mariota, Wentz, Goff, Trubisky, and Bridgewater thought they hit paydirt too. 

Kirk is not who I would gamble my new career on if I were KAM/KOC.  Just my gambler's opinion...

Who would you go after?

@"purplefaithful" said: I honestly dont think we've seen the best from KC yet...

Extending him out with some void years seems inevitable and right as rain. 

New system, new staff, a HC that doesnt hate you, some improvement on D?

No reason this team can't win 2- 3 more games. Thats a 10-11 win season. 

I dont think KAM/KOC are aspiring to tank year 1. 

@"purplefaithful" said: I dont think KAM/KOC are aspiring to tank year 1. 

Maddening.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: I suspect when they extend KC, his $ will be less than Brady, Mahomes, Allen or Rogers...

But he deserves to be in the next tier. 

Brady has been playing for under 29 million...I wish we could get Kirk to see the benefit of that for him.

@"purplefaithful" said: I dont think KAM/KOC are aspiring to tank year 1. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: I suspect when they extend KC, his $ will be less than Brady, Mahomes, Allen or Rogers...

But he deserves to be in the next tier. 

Brady has been playing for under 29 million...I wish we could get Kirk to see the benefit of that for him.

I'm sure Cousins and every player wished they were married to a supermodel worth $400 million. Alas just Brady, so the comparison is brutal.  Easy to take way less when your wife pulls  tens of millions more in annual salary than you. 

kirk has made 160 million in his career.... does it really fucking matter at that point?  if this is about the money for kirk at this point... I think that would make the decision even that much easier to move on from him.

And there it is, the painfully transparent jealous fan whining about "how much is enough" post. He's paid exactly what the market has dictated he be paid. If you arent getting paid what your profession dictates, you may want to take a look at the guy representing you at pay bump time.

If you are getting paid what you're worth. I sure hope you don't have know it alls who've never done your job obsessing about you online. Simply because you're better off financially and can do something they never could. 

Simply because you or I will never sniff that amount of money doesn't mean he, or any athlete doesnt deserve every penny they make.  Because NCAAF and NFL chew these guys up and spit them out to make insane profits. 

You have absolutely no clue what these guys give up. Family,  physical and mental health, substance abuse issues among much more. All a direct result of playing a game for your entertainment. I'm sure if you could "play the game for free" you would. Until you've actually played and realize it's not the fantasyland version Joe Sixpack thinks it is.

Lol,  there it is,  the starbucks  shrink has busted me. Give me a fucking break.  If I was really worked up over people getting over paid I wouldn't be a fan of pro sports and certainly wouldn't have spent the many thousands I have over my lifetime to follow my teams. 

 I could care less what he gets paid,  except its a capped league and the more they over pay any 1 player, the less they have to fix other positions.... so if he really wants to say he's here to help the team win,  then he will accept an offer that will do just that, ( like Brady)  if not then he is just a mercenary doing it for the money and will not ever be the team guy we need at the QB position.

But keep working on the shrink shit its amusing if nothing else.