Diggs traded to Buffalo

@"FSUVike" said: I'm with Maroon and Jor El. This wasn't enough. If you did a redraft Diggs would be a mid to upper 1st Round selection. And Minnesota got a later 1st and a bunch of shit. Spielman will trade out of that 4th for more 7ths or whiff on it. That Round is his kryptonite. And it isn't until next year, so unless he uses it to move up this year it does absolutely nothing to help the 2020 team.

And I don't give a rat's ass about the depth of the WR class. That's all well and good when you want to add a piece with upside, like Johnson or Ceephus. 

Unless Minnesota has already thrown in the towel they can't afford to hope that upside develops. They are virtually locked into using one of the 1sts on one of the near-can't miss guys. If they don't it's a massive gamble. Massive gamble.

So let's say Rick gets his replacement in the 1st. That means he essentially got a 5th and 6th this year to help the team. Wow. Color me impressed. A 5th and 6th for a Top 10 WR. What a haul. You get a WR that wants to be here and isn't costing the team major cap space.  That is a win in many ways.  We lost experience and talent, but getting that for a guy who was forcing his way out is a major haul.  Rick played it well and netted a lot for a discontent diva. 
 
What was the lone area you could say the Vikings were the best in? It ain't Defense. It was Wide Receiver tandem. Now that's gone and the aging Adam Thielen is another hamstring pull away from this team picking Top 10 in 2021 with a new GM & HC who probably won't want to be tied to Cousins.

Look, I'm the Usual Suspect when it comes to trying to paint a fair picture of how and why Minnesota can succeed year in and year out. I'm struggling to do that now. Even if Adam is 100% healthy the whole season he's going to see constant doubleteams. Who's going to take advantage of that? Bisi Johnson? Please. Even his parents don't believe that. Irv? Not unless he turns into Kelce or Kittles.

I'm going to stack the box and sell out to stop the run, double Adam even out of the Slot, and dare Kirk beat me with what's left. Which will be a hell of a lot of dinks and dunks. Good bye Play Action bombs. Good bye bombs off of waggles. Good bye explosive plays.

Look, I hated the shitty attitude. But half his generation and 75% of the good players at his position have it. You say no until you get more. 

Honest to God I opened this thread thinking Starting LG a 1st and a 4th, minimum. Instead it's yet another hole to fill with a Draft Pick. To go along with LG, 3T, CB and NT. 

I'm out of purple juice. That's too many holes, folks. Damn. The franchise finally broke my faith. :(

@"FSUVike" said: And it gets worse. Only 20 Rookies WRs in the entire history of the League have eclipsed 1,000 yards. So even if Minnesota could somehow pick the best of Lamb/Jeudy/Ruggs, none of whom they will have a shot at, the odds of that Rookie replacing Diggs' production is extremely low.

But hey, at least you guys who spend all day on Twitter won't have anything to get cranky about any more! 

@"FSUVike" said: And it gets worse. Only 20 Rookies WRs in the entire history of the League have eclipsed 1,000 yards. So even if Minnesota could somehow pick the best of Lamb/Jeudy/Ruggs, none of whom they will have a shot at, the odds of that Rookie replacing Diggs' production is extremely low.

But hey, at least you guys who spend all day on Twitter won't have anything to get cranky about any more! 

What can be said is the team is losing a young, known talented quantity at WR. Not ideal. But its not like the team initiated this.

@"greediron" said:

@"FSUVike" said: And it gets worse. Only 20 Rookies WRs in the entire history of the League have eclipsed 1,000 yards. So even if Minnesota could somehow pick the best of Lamb/Jeudy/Ruggs, none of whom they will have a shot at, the odds of that Rookie replacing Diggs' production is extremely low.

But hey, at least you guys who spend all day on Twitter won't have anything to get cranky about any more! 

You don't have to replace Diggs, just draft someone that can pair with AT.  It was obvious last year that Adam is the better WR.  Our offense missed him badly.  Diggs?  Not so much.

They didnt have to trade him...I dont care how cryptic a tweet (s) were/was. 

@"greediron" said:

@"FSUVike" said: And it gets worse. Only 20 Rookies WRs in the entire history of the League have eclipsed 1,000 yards. So even if Minnesota could somehow pick the best of Lamb/Jeudy/Ruggs, none of whom they will have a shot at, the odds of that Rookie replacing Diggs' production is extremely low.

But hey, at least you guys who spend all day on Twitter won't have anything to get cranky about any more! 

You don't have to replace Diggs, just draft someone that can pair with AT.  It was obvious last year that Adam is the better WR.  Our offense missed him badly.  Diggs?  Not so much.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Jor-El" said:

Some of you guys are calling this "a haul"...seriously? I see exactly ONE premium draft pick, the first rounder (and it ain't a top 10 pick). After that we have a couple of late picks, which are a crapshoot, and a 4th rounder - next year. Great, a 4th round pick , where the Vikings have recently acquired such contributors as Jalyn Holmes, Willie Beavers, TJ Clemmings, and Jaleel Johnson. But hey, maybe we'll strike gold with that pick and get someone on the level of Ben Gedeon! The Bills just acquired one of the 10 (maybe 5) best WRs in the NFL, only 26 years old, and will pair him with John Brown, who caught 72 passes for over 1,000 yards as a rookie. We received the 22nd pick (yay, 1 pick higher than we picked Laquon Treadwell!), and our #2 WR is now Bisi Johnson.

Unless Diggs was a genuine locker-room cancer far beyond anything reported and will melt down in Antonio Brown style within a year, this trade is a tragedy for the Vikings.

Agree. There is one winner here: The Bills. And two losers: the Vikings and Diggs.

All picks after the 4th round are guesses, and all picks next year are mostly meaningless. Grains of sand to balance a scale. So this is essentially Diggs for the 22nd pick. I don't think anyone got fleeced here--it's fair value in the market of capital and services. 

But when you factor in just how much Diggs meant to this offense, and how difficult that will be to replace, considering all the other needs, the Vikings have definitely taken a step backward. 

I think the best thing the Vikings can do right now is sign a low-cost veteran receiver who can step into the #2 role and draft another receiver in either rounds 1 or 2 to compete with him. We absolutely cannot count on a rookie receiver to come in and contribute, much less replace the kind of attention that Diggs drew from defenses. 

There is an argument to be made from a best-use-of-resources perspective. Vikings were a running team spending nearly $30M on its wide receivers. THAT, I get. But in order for this to work, the Vikings have to turn this transaction into one HELL of a running game, despite the fact that, right now anyway, the key to beating the Vikings is simple: double Thielen and stack the box. 

@"greediron" said:

@"FSUVike" said: And it gets worse. Only 20 Rookies WRs in the entire history of the League have eclipsed 1,000 yards. So even if Minnesota could somehow pick the best of Lamb/Jeudy/Ruggs, none of whom they will have a shot at, the odds of that Rookie replacing Diggs' production is extremely low.

But hey, at least you guys who spend all day on Twitter won't have anything to get cranky about any more! 

You don't have to replace Diggs, just draft someone that can pair with AT.  It was obvious last year that Adam is the better WR.  Our offense missed him badly.  Diggs?  Not so much.

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"FSUVike" said: And it gets worse. Only 20 Rookies WRs in the entire history of the League have eclipsed 1,000 yards. So even if Minnesota could somehow pick the best of Lamb/Jeudy/Ruggs, none of whom they will have a shot at, the odds of that Rookie replacing Diggs' production is extremely low.

But hey, at least you guys who spend all day on Twitter won't have anything to get cranky about any more! 

You don't have to replace Diggs, just draft someone that can pair with AT.  It was obvious last year that Adam is the better WR.  Our offense missed him badly.  Diggs?  Not so much.

This! let's not forget the Vikes beat the heavy favorite Saints with Diggs having two catches for 19 yards. Diggs is a good player, but let's not overreact and think this team is incapable of torching defenses through the air. There's a lot of time until the season starts...

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

On the flip side, none of those drafts were viewed as being particularly deep at WR.  This draft seems more like the 2014 draft that had Mike Evans, Odell, Sammy Watkins, Kelvin Benjamin, and Brandin Cooks as the headliners and also had Davante Adams, Allen Robinson, Jarvis Landry, and others viewed as strong Day 2 picks.

The Vikings don't need draft a WR with the first round pick they acquired for Diggs.  If anything, they have the flexibility to move around the draft and target a wide variety of players.  We could move up into the top 15 picks without sabotaging our draft and grab Lamb or Jeudy if they slip out of the top 10... or we could move up for an OT...  or we could stay put and use our 2nd or a couple mid-round picks to attack a deep WR class.

The Vikings have plenty of options to fill holes with good prospects.

Oh my, trading up would be insane. Keep 22, take the best OL, WR, CB or DT. Trade 23 down into the early 2nd round and do the same. 

I know Jeudy and Lamb are great prospects, but we all tend to suffer from a lapse in memory when it comes to the draft. Corey Davis was supposed to the next Randy Moss. Just saying, there are no sure things. Not sure enough to bundle valuable picks to move up. I like the cost vs. value calculation much better between 20 and 50, especially at receiver. 

@"BarrNone55" said: Our O just took a step closer to replicating the 49ers. 

But at what point does this team stop acquiescing to diva Wide Receivers? Seriously? Is there another team in the League that has had 3 WRs force their way out of town?

And can anyone here honestly tell me there is such a thing as a sure-fire way to know if a college kid will or won't turn into one?

@"Hawkvike25" said:

This! let's not forget the Vikes beat the heavy favorite Saints with Diggs having two catches for 19 yards. Diggs is a good player, but let's not overreact and think this team is incapable of torching defenses through the air. There's a lot of time until the season starts...

@"greediron" said:

@"FSUVike" said: And it gets worse. Only 20 Rookies WRs in the entire history of the League have eclipsed 1,000 yards. So even if Minnesota could somehow pick the best of Lamb/Jeudy/Ruggs, none of whom they will have a shot at, the odds of that Rookie replacing Diggs' production is extremely low.

But hey, at least you guys who spend all day on Twitter won't have anything to get cranky about any more! 

You don't have to replace Diggs, just draft someone that can pair with AT.  It was obvious last year that Adam is the better WR.  Our offense missed him badly.  Diggs?  Not so much.

I know we’ve all had our times of frustration and disgust with our team at any given moment, but there’s nobody on this board, or anywhere for that matter, that can convince me that Diggs kept his complaints confined to Tweeterville and the Vikings traded him because of the Tweeterville talk.....and he was mad before he had Kirk to blame it on.

I am dumb enough to draft two receivers in the 1st round.

Mims and Higgins.

@"FSUVike" said: But at what point does this team stop acquiescing to diva Wide Receivers? Seriously? Is there another team in the League that has had 3 WRs force their way out of town?

And can anyone here honestly tell me there is such a thing as a sure-fire way to know if a college kid will or won't turn into one?

@"FSUVike" said: But at what point does this team stop acquiescing to diva Wide Receivers? Seriously? Is there another team in the League that has had 3 WRs force their way out of town?

And can anyone here honestly tell me there is such a thing as a sure-fire way to know if a college kid will or won't turn into one?

@"FSUVike" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"FSUVike" said: And it gets worse. Only 20 Rookies WRs in the entire history of the League have eclipsed 1,000 yards. So even if Minnesota could somehow pick the best of Lamb/Jeudy/Ruggs, none of whom they will have a shot at, the odds of that Rookie replacing Diggs' production is extremely low.

But hey, at least you guys who spend all day on Twitter won't have anything to get cranky about any more! 

You don't have to replace Diggs, just draft someone that can pair with AT.  It was obvious last year that Adam is the better WR.  Our offense missed him badly.  Diggs?  Not so much.

When Thielen sees the attention Diggs got when he was out and fails to exceed it remind me to revisit this quote.

@"FSUVike" said:

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"FSUVike" said: And it gets worse. Only 20 Rookies WRs in the entire history of the League have eclipsed 1,000 yards. So even if Minnesota could somehow pick the best of Lamb/Jeudy/Ruggs, none of whom they will have a shot at, the odds of that Rookie replacing Diggs' production is extremely low.

But hey, at least you guys who spend all day on Twitter won't have anything to get cranky about any more! 

You don't have to replace Diggs, just draft someone that can pair with AT.  It was obvious last year that Adam is the better WR.  Our offense missed him badly.  Diggs?  Not so much.

This! let's not forget the Vikes beat the heavy favorite Saints with Diggs having two catches for 19 yards. Diggs is a good player, but let's not overreact and think this team is incapable of torching defenses through the air. There's a lot of time until the season starts...

The Defense had as much or more to do with the win than the Offense. And Adam was the Reciever that was benefitting from the Saints either putting their best Corner on Diggs or doubling him.