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  Penix suffers season ending knee injury
Posted by: StickierBuns - 11-17-2025, 11:57 AM - Forum: The Longship - Replies (17)

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ESPN sources: Falcons QB Michael Penix suffered a potentially season-ending knee injury during Sunday’s loss to the Panthers. Penix will be seeking a second opinion, but it is not encouraging.

Another guy the jury is out on.....needs more games.

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  So here's why I'm worried about JJ....
Posted by: StickierBuns - 11-17-2025, 11:10 AM - Forum: The Longship - Replies (48)

He had a 'great week' of practice according to KOC....that didn't translate to the field. Then KOC said in his presser after the game we have to get 'back to the things he did in practice this week', referencing that JJ's practices aren't necessarily making him better on the field. JJ got booed for the first time and he deserved it. His biggest f-ing stinkers have been at U.S. Bank stadium. His footwork is atrocious. He's thinking way too much and too long. Its all young QB shit, but he desperately needs a 'there it is' game for not only himself, but his teammates and the fans. The narrative would have been a little different if Minnesota held on and won that game. Not a ton, but certainly different mentally for everyone. That kickoff return was so f-ing gross and such a gut punch. 3 guys on the return team got out of their lanes and fucked the whole thing up. Just brutal.

JJ needs to pitch and catch with the boys, get that completion percentage up and save the big boy throws (which he has in his arsenal) for important moments sprinkled in. He played like ass and then in the most stressful and important time of a football game, took it all the way down the field for a go-ahead score with 50 seconds left. He has 'it'. But if he can't complete the easy passes, he's not going to make it. He needs to hit the bread and butter throws. The problem is he understood that last week....and the week prior....and here we are still. Its only been 5 games, but he's got to start the incremental improvements NOW with the easier throws. Because that is mental. IMO, something is going to click for him....and when it does, he'll make those improvements.

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  Season-to-date heroes...
Posted by: purplefaithful - 11-17-2025, 10:52 AM - Forum: The Longship - Replies (10)

Having really nice individual seasons:

Eric Wilson
Will the Thrill
Miles Price
Cashman
Gink

Who am I missing?

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  QB Considerations for this Evening
Posted by: Zanary - 11-16-2025, 11:10 PM - Forum: The Longship - Replies (1)

After wading though a ridiculous amount of lava-esque hatred for our young signal caller, I went looking for some perspective.

So...JJM, today: 

16/32, 150, 1 TD, 2 INT

Caleb: 16/32 193, no TDs/INTs

Sam Darnold: 29/44 279, 0 TDs, 4 INTs

Goff (as I type this, halfway through 4th quarter): 13/29 228, 1 TD and 1 INT

Hurts: 14/28 135, 0 TD/INT


Now...yes, many QBs had great games today, but as we have all the whining for Darnold, how Goff is considered top QB of the NFCN, Hurts is a defending champion and playing the same Lions we did just two weeks ago...

...seriously, JJM didn't set any new "lows", today, and had some unfortunate contributions from typically reliable receivers.

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  Former Viking Kris Boyd shot and in critical condition
Posted by: badgervike - 11-16-2025, 07:07 PM - Forum: The Longship - Replies (2)

Playing for the Jets now ( though on IR).  Shot in the stomach and in critical condition

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/form...33205.html

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  JJ McCarthy
Posted by: comet52 - 11-16-2025, 04:33 PM - Forum: The Longship - Replies (71)

That was an all time Vikings stinker qb performance out there today.  He's sailing balls high, wide, then when he's on target there is so much heat on them that guys can't hold on.  Even KOC abandoned the pass-happy bit and had us run the ball which actually got us back into a game against a really weak Bears team.

JJM had touch on his passes for the first time all day on that last 2-minute drive for the go-ahead score.  Which begs the question where was it before that?  Is it just a mental issue?  And if so, what is the alleged qb-whisperer coach doing that his top 10 drafted qb is already a head case after just 5 games?  Or was he a head case to begin with and we drafted the wrong guy.

Regardless, this was really ugly, coming back in a game you frankly didn't deserve to win then somehow giving it away on a kick return to setup a f.g.

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  Kris boyd shot last night
Posted by: Viking1987isback - 11-16-2025, 04:29 PM - Forum: The Longship - No Replies

Kris boyd shot last night in New york

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  4 remaining Norris Games...
Posted by: purplefaithful - 11-16-2025, 10:44 AM - Forum: The Longship - Replies (11)

I think today will be a close game and (unlike last week) I feel like we win one for the home fans. 

USB has not been a fun place this season. 

Probably go down to the last few plays of the day to decide it, typical vike/bears. On paper, the Vikings should win, but its divisional and we have to see what happens at QB - especially our QB

We're about as healthy as you could expect this late in the season too. I am curious to see both JJM and Turner today.

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The Vikings have swept the Bears in the regular season 36 times, most recently in 2021. 

The last time the Vikings swept the Bears was in the 2021 season.
The Vikings hold a 69-57-2 regular season record against the Bears, including playoffs.
The Vikings have a winning record when playing against the Bears at home, with a 40-26 home record.

While the Vikings have a dominant regular season record, the Bears have won 4 out of the last 6 games played in Minnesota between 2018 and 2023

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  At a x-roads
Posted by: purplefaithful - 11-15-2025, 11:00 AM - Forum: The Longship - Replies (1)

McCarthy/Jefferson at X-Roads

McCarthy is the youngest of the six quarterbacks to throw Jefferson a pass since Cousins tore his right Achilles in October 2023, and his early struggles have been exacerbated by the issues he’s had targeting Jefferson.

McCarthy’s 49.4 passer rating when targeting Jefferson is the lowest by any Vikings QB who’s thrown to the receiver. Four of his six interceptions are on passes thrown for Jefferson, including the two he threw in Sunday’s 27-19 loss to the Ravens, where the receiver’s nonchalance in pursuit of the intercepting player invited questions.

“If you want me to be happy and go chase him down, that’s not really something I want to happen,” Jefferson said Thursday. “I want to win. And emotionally things, things get heated sometimes. I just want a better outcome. And of course, the offense that we have, I feel like we should be playing better than what we are.”

Jefferson, too, continues to chafe at the overattentive coverages he faces from defenses that make stopping him their top priority; defensive coordinators tell him so in postgame handshakes, he said. His average separation of 3.3 yards from the closest defender is actually the largest of his career, two-tenths of a yard better than his 2024 average, but when teams regularly use multiple defenders against him, it presents a confounding picture for a young quarterback who’s never faced anything similar.

“Obviously, J.J. hasn’t played with anyone with as much attention as I’m getting. So it takes some time to figure those things out,” Jefferson said. “I mean, Kirk had to take time figuring that out as well. Sam had to take time figuring that out. This job is hard, especially at quarterback. So the connection will continue to grow and get better.”

As the Vikings sit at 4-5, last in the division and 10th in the conference, their star receiver wants to recapture his youthful energy at the same time their 22-year-old quarterback looks to prove he can scrub some blemishes out of his game.

“The biggest thing that comes to mind is just consistency,” McCarthy said. “The name of the game in this league, and any real profession, is just, how can you be consistently great over and over again?”

’The best plan for the guys we have’

McCarthy, making his fifth start on Sunday, is still trying to show he can handle all the intricacies of a scheme that’s produced two of the four best regular seasons in Vikings history while sending his veteran predecessors to Pro Bowls, but can be daunting to an inexperienced quarterback.

The Vikings often use packaged plays, giving their quarterback the option to “can” the first one if he thinks the defense is set up to stop it.

They frequently use pre-snap motion, which contributed to five false starts against the Ravens, and while head coach Kevin O’Connell said they simplified their cadence in hopes of curtailing the penalties during the game, their use of multiple cadences and hard counts is still completwitter.compared to what McCarthy used at Michigan, where he often initiated plays with a clap.

The quarterback’s studiousness and command of concepts, O’Connell has said, means the Vikings don’t worry about how much he can handle, but his classroom time far exceeds his on-field experience.

And as McCarthy leads an offense full of veterans who return from a 14-win team, offensive coordinator Wes Phillips said this week “it wouldn’t be fair to the other guys” if the Vikings simplified their game plan to reflect the quarterback’s youth.

“I don’t think we ever go into a game saying, ‘Hey, this is about J.J.’s development in this game,’ ” Phillips said. “We’re trying to set up the best plan for the guys we have, J.J. included, but it wouldn’t be fair to anyone else on our football team to hold back on anything that we felt we needed to go win a football game.”

While O’Connell said he tries to call plays in a sequence that will help McCarthy find a rhythm — comparing it to Stephen Curry rediscovering his shot at the free-throw line after several three-point misses — the Vikings seem disinclined to dilute their offense for the sake of McCarthy’s education.

McCarthy, the youngest starting quarterback in the NFL, doesn’t think that’s unfair.

“It makes it easier when the standard I have for myself is the standard that the team has,” McCarthy said. “At the end of the day, yes, we’ve got to be realistic and understand there’s a lot of growth in my development, but I’m doing whatever I can to make sure it’s a championship-worthy performance week in and week out.”

One immediate area for improvement would be third downs, particularly third-and-short, where the Vikings have thrown on 20 of their 31 plays, and their 11 runs are tied with the Cowboys for the fewest in the league. McCarthy has thrown an average of 18.6 yards downfield on third downs when the Vikings have fewer than three yards to go — that’s the deepest third-and-short throw in the league, according to Sports Info Solutions — and he’s missed all seven of his attempts.

O’Connell said the Vikings have checked out of runs on multiple third-and-short plays or called a run-pass option where they’ve converted. 

“We look at those as statistically part of the run game,” he said..

And while he said he analyzed the decision to throw deep for Jefferson on a third-and-1 late into the evening last Sunday, O’Connell maintained he’d give McCarthy (whose pass was intercepted by Marlon Humphrey) the same opportunity each time he got another chance at it.

“I can’t really make the decision based upon missing an open player or having Justin one-on-one for really the only time all day,” O’Connell said. “The last thing you think that’s going to do is end up in an interception, where you have that run play in mind for fourth-and-1 [if the pass is incomplete]. It’s a results-based thing, play to play, game to game. I’m well aware of that. ... The last thing you want to do is just [run] it for the sake of doing it, and then have it be not as productive as you would hope.”

McCarthy has a 65.8 passer rating through the first four starts of his career, which puts him 60th among the 77 first-round quarterbacks in this century. The two names behind him on the list are Matthew Stafford, who won a Super Bowl with O’Connell as his offensive coordinator in 2021, and Jared Goff, who’s since gone to four Pro Bowls and finished fifth in the NFL MVP race last year with the Lions.

Bo Nix, who was drafted two spots behind McCarthy, is 67th on the list. Josh Allen, the reigning NFL MVP, is 70th.

If McCarthy starts every Vikings game for the rest of the season, he’ll be only the 12th quarterback in this century to make 12 starts before his 23rd birthday. Of the first 11 who did it, only three (Robert Griffin III, Ben Roethlisberger and Justin Herbert) had a passer rating above 90.

The quarterback’s career is at a tender spot, even as McCarthy pledges to meet the standard required to take a veteran team to the playoffs. It’s an unusual arrangement that demands patience from the Vikings’ experienced players, particularly Jefferson, whose record-breaking career doesn’t include a playoff win.

Jefferson acknowledged his role in the offense has changed. “I feel like [that will happen for] any person that’s part of a offense that has a new quarterback,” he said. “It doesn’t matter if he’s a 10-year vet or if he’s a second-year quarterback. I’m always going to try to better myself and better our relationship in any way I can.”

The clip of the Bills catch this week, he said, reminded him how fast his career has reached its sixth season. He remembers the 2022 season as a simpler time, before efforts to clamp down on him on the field and “just different things going on in my life” gave his relationship with football a different feel.

He spoke Thursday of returning to “that savage mode, just going out there and killing it, not worrying about the plays, not worrying about anything else that I can’t control.”
For McCarthy, Jefferson wants to be a mentor.

“We hear so much different negativity out in the world,” Jefferson said. “So I’m always going to be that person for J.J. to lean on and talk to. And I’m always going to be that person to motivate him to continue to be better, regardless if he’s my quarterback or not. I love J.J. as a person, as a player, so I will continue to strive for that.”

He’ll try to recapture his youth at the same time the Vikings hope for McCarthy to mature quickly — “A lot to ask,” O’Connell acknowledged, “in the midst of games.”

“There’s been a lot of encouraging things to go along with some things we can improve on,” the coach said. “And he knows that. We know that. That’s where I get to be, as far as the space that I’m in. Everybody’s entitled to their own opinion.”

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  Will Fries- bust?
Posted by: supafreak84 - 11-14-2025, 05:29 PM - Forum: The Longship - Replies (8)

I mean seriously, is it time to fire Kuper? Players get better when they leave here and get worse when they arrive. From today's ESPN;

Five additions that are not working

Will Fries, RG, Minnesota Vikings
How he got there: Signed a five-year, $88 million contract ($44 million guaranteed)
2025 stat to know: 88.5% pass block win rate (57th out of 66)
Comparable 2024 stat: 92.4% pass block win rate (unranked, played only five games)

The free agent excitement about Fries was interesting because he wasn't considered top-notch as the Colts' starting right guard in 2023. But he leaped off the tape in the five games he played in 2024 before a broken tibia ended his season. Minnesota won the battle to sign Fries, and what they've gotten is ... not really anything special.

So far this season, Fries' win rates are not only below what he did last season but also below what he did in a full season in 2023. His pass block win rate has gone from 90.9% in 2023 to 92.4% to 88.5%. His run block win rate has gone from 70.3% in 2023 to 74.3% to 66.3%, which is currently 55th out of 65 qualifying guards.

Will Fries' 88.5% pass block win rate ranks 57th. Bailey Hillesheim/Icon Sportswire
He had a setback in his recovery from the injury over the offseason, which might still be affecting him. He has also had to deal with some shuffling of the players on either side of him, which isn't good for offensive line continuity.

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