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  Is Parsons Damaged Goods?
Posted by: MaroonBells - 55 minutes ago - Forum: The Longship - Replies (2)

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  The Brosmer kid can play
Posted by: MaroonBells - 1 hour ago - Forum: The Longship - Replies (5)

With the exception of the short post to #46 at the 1 minute mark, every single one of these passes is laser accurate. Most of these are 1st reads, but there's a couple where he hits 2nd or 3rd reads too. What's he going to look like in a couple years? LONG way to go, but might the Vikings have a valuable trade asset down the road? 

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  The 2nd most important position
Posted by: purplefaithful - 4 hours ago - Forum: The Longship - No Replies

The subject of backup quarterbacks came up years ago in an interview with former Browns and Giants General Manager Ernie Accorsi. He had already been through the 1988 season when his Browns reached the playoffs with 10 wins while starting four quarterbacks: Bernie Kosar, Mike Pagel, Gary Danielson and Don Strock, who came out of retirement.

“The most important position on your football team is the quarterback,” Accorsi said. “The second-most important position is your backup quarterback.”

The Vikings have a long history of backup quarterbacks who have thrived when thrust into uncomfortable positions.

Bob Lee
Wade Wilson
Randall Cunningham
Kase Keenum

It took the Vikings 121 days from April 26 to Aug. 24 to conclude that Sam Howell does not possess the leading trait that all good, dependable backup quarterbacks have in common.

And what, pray tell, is that leading trait?

Well, the Minnesota Star Tribune spent some time this summer asking that question to smart people. The answers were varied, nuanced and in no way described the 24-year-old Mr. Howell, whose 5-13 career record includes going 4-13 while leading the NFL in interceptions (21) and sacks (65) for Washington in 2023.

Eventually, the Vikings did what all of Vikings Nation anticipated when they discarded Howell, whom they had traded for from Seattle, to Philadelphia. In his stead, they signed Carson Wentz, who is eight years wiser than Howell, has started 76 more games (94) and has had stints under two of the league’s leading offensive gurus — the Rams’ Sean McVay and the Chiefs’ Andy Reid — the past two years.

We’ll let Kevin O’Connell bat leadoff as we try to answer the question above. Why? For starters, he’s the Vikings head coach and play-caller. Secondly, he’s also a QB guru so adept that he won 2024 NFL Coach of the Year almost exclusively because he did the unthinkable — coaxing career highs out of Sam Darnold in completion percentage (.662), passing yards (4,319), touchdown passes (35), passer rating (102.5) and, oh yeah, wins by a doubled amount (14).

“First and foremost, [the backup] has to be a guy who has ownership of the plan without taking reps,” O’Connell said. “You can count on one hand in a normal game week the reps he’ll get, especially if you have a young [starting] quarterback,” which the Vikings do in 22-year-old J.J. McCarthy, who has never started an NFL regular-season game.

So if you’re going to be a backup quarterback for the Vikings, O’Connell continued, “you need to maximize the meeting room, the walkthroughs, the [limited] reps and step in and execute the game plan that week. And do it with confidence.”

Does that describe Wentz? Well, those of us who doubted Darnold, the third overall pick of the Jets in 2018 — two years after Wentz went second overall to the Eagles — probably should reserve judgment. 

We asked Wentz to identify the best trait that all good, dependable backups have in common.

“That’s a great question,” he said. “And I’m still trying to figure that out. I’m not going to lie.”

Helping Wentz figure it out is Vikings quarterbacks coach Josh McCown, Wentz’s backup in Philadelphia in 2019 and a guy who was mostly an NFL backup through 16 seasons and nine teams.

“I tell the [backups] to go steal a physical rep later on air with nobody watching, but to remember what you saw [in practice] mentally,” McCown said. “That’s the trait you got to have because it’s the only way you can get yourself ready to play a game when you’re not getting reps.”

Wentz said he thinks the key will be his “willingness to put the team first,” especially when it’s a team with a starting quarterback “who’s never even been through a game-week preparation.”

“It’s still a little new for me,” Wentz said. “But willingness to serve, however that looks. Whether it’s staying after to help a guy or watching extra film. Whatever it looks like, both on and off the field, because as QB1 there’s a lot of pressure both on and off the field.”

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  Vikings roster-building analysis
Posted by: Montana Tom - 5 hours ago - Forum: The Longship - Replies (3)

A week before the first MNF kickoff in Chicago, the final pre-season 53-man roster is interesting with the amount of turnover from last year.  A quick breakdown shows how Kwesi used various tools and options to build the roster.  

31 were on the roster (or Practice Squad) last season...that means 22 new faces.  A 41.5% turnover.  How did we get there?

Vikings had a recent low number of draft picks with 5.  Of those five, all are still on the team (technically), with Gavin Bartholomew on the PUP list.
R1 Donovan Jackson G
R3 Tai Felton WR
R5 Tyrian Ingram-Dawkins. DL
R6 Kobe King LB
R6 Bartholomew TE

Goes to show that with Kwesi, quality in the draft is prized over quantity in the draft ala Trader Rick.  Spielman never hit on 100% of his picks making the team. Kwesi has improved here from his 2022 and 2023 drafts.

UDFA's were a bit of a shock, however.  Kwesi has had a knack the past three years in finding gems like Ivan Pace Jr.
But the sheer quantity this year (7) that made the team makes your eyebrows go up. 

Max Brosmer QB Minnesota
Chaz Chambliss LB OLB Georgia
Joe Huber G Wisconsin
Austin Keys LB Auburn
Myles Price WR Indiana
Elijah Williams DL Morgan State
Ben Yurosek TE Georgia 

And then there are the FA signings...which have become Kwesi's master class.  Not all of them were high profile, but most were pretty notable.
Jonathan Allen DL
Will Fries G
Javon Hargrave DL
Ryan Kelly C
Jordan Mason RB
Jeff Okudah CB
Isaiah Rdgers CB
Justin Skule T
Tavierre Thomas S
Carson Wentz QB
Eric Wilson LB

25% roster turnover is the NFL average, but 41.5% turnover is no where close to the highest ever.  in 2025, the Broncos led with the highest roster turnover at 86%, followed by the Packers and Bills at 84.5% and 84.2% respectively.  

Because inquiring minds (like yours) want to know, right?

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  Jalen Nailor update.
Posted by: hogjowlsjohnny - Yesterday, 09:08 PM - Forum: The Longship - Replies (2)

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/4612...lay-opener

Most hand injuries requiring surgery also require more than a few weeks recovery. The only short term one I can think of would be a trigger finger release. A ganglion cyst removal from the wrist would be another possibility but not really likely to benefit much from having surgery.
If a trigger finger release he should be good to go soon.

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  Bears preview Bercich
Posted by: Bullazin - Yesterday, 05:17 PM - Forum: The Longship - Replies (1)

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  Bounce-Back Season?
Posted by: purplefaithful - Yesterday, 10:04 AM - Forum: The Longship - Replies (3)

Vikings tight end T.J. Hockenson and Johnson spent three seasons together with the Lions, starting in 2019. Hockenson, a first-round pick that year, and Johnson, an entry-level coach who would later become the tight ends coach and guru coordinator, immediately formed a bond that lasts to this day. Hockenson reached out to congratulate Johnson when he was hired by Chicago in January.

“I love Ben,” Hockenson told the Minnesota Star Tribune. “He helped me a ton as a young player in this league. I remember him being a quality control guy my first year and we’d meet every day during special teams. He’d explain offenses and defenses to me. He’s a guy that made a huge impact and someone that will always be super meaningful in my life.”

Hockenson’s influences — Johnson, former Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford and Vikings coach Kevin O’Connell among them — have shaped the way he has approached this season with 22-year-old quarterback J.J. McCarthy.

McCarthy will be the 12th quarterback to throw Hockenson an NFL pass, meaning the 6-foot-5 security blanket has plenty of experience adapting and succeeding with new arms.

Hockenson is healthy again, too. He felt a step slow last season, when he didn’t play until November after suffering a knee injury against the Lions in December 2023. The injury upended his offseason training regimen and left him to acclimate in games.

What a difference a year can make. Standing with two healthy knees and the foundation of his training once again, Hockenson said he is primed to resume his run as one of the NFL’s best tight ends.

“I’m one of the top route-running tight ends in the league,” Hockenson said. “I pride myself on creating separation and you look at it and that’s what I do on Sundays. … There’s been times throughout my career I’ve had challenges and I’ve always been able to bounce back and be a better player than what I was.”

After a late August practice, Hockenson, 28, talked about his approach with quarterbacks, which Johnson taught him at the start of his NFL career in Detroit.

“Ben talked about, ‘Hey, I’m going to give you a canvas, and you have the brush,’ ” Hockenson recalled. “’You paint a picture within the rules I’m giving you.’ ”

How Hockenson paints — or creates separation from defenders within his routes — has been a key part of his conversations with McCarthy.
Hockenson wants McCarthy to trust him and not to be scared off him within the progression of the play if something looks different. Because of McCarthy’s mobility, he can buy precious seconds when a play breaks down, giving his receivers more time to get open.

“We want you here at a spot within a certain timing,” Hockenson said of the Vikings offense, “but on the other hand, J.J. is a playmaker. O’Connell wants us to get open.”

How Hockenson gets open is “something I’ve talked to J.J. about,” he said. “’Hey, not everything is going to look exactly the same. Just because it’s this coverage, I want to be able to play this [move] off of it because it’ll help us later on in this route.”

Three quarterbacks — Stafford, Jared Goff and Cousins — have thrown for more than 900 yards to Hockenson, a two-time Pro Bowl selection.

All three were slightly different. Stafford told Hockenson to get open, he didn’t care how or when, and he would find him whether in the progression or after the play dissolved. Goff wanted Hockenson’s releases to be a certain way to get to spots on time. Cousins was also spot- and timing-focused, but was more flexible with his receivers.

“J.J. is a lot like Staff and a little like Kirk,” Hockenson said. “Just depends on the routes and what we’re doing. ‘I want you here at this time, but on the same hand I want you to get open. I’m going to trust you.’”

Hockenson incorporated something new to his training because of how he felt after missing training camp last year and the first seven games of the regular season.

“I was a step slower than I wanted to be, and I knew that after a couple games,” he said. “Toward the end of the year, I got more comfortable, and I got back to where I wanted to be.”

Hockenson praised how the Vikings medical staff handled his rehab, but he had never been away from the field that long before due to injury.

He wasn’t always comfortable in the inherent chaos of the sport, which is difficult to replicate in structured practices or rehab. He said he uses more “reaction-based” drills in his personal workouts, incorporating movements and catches that could be randomized instead of predetermined.

“That has really showed up here on the practice field, and is going to translate to Sundays,” Hockenson said.

Vikings offensive coordinator Wes Phillips, a former tight ends coach with the Rams, agreed that Hockenson has looked like a “complete” receiver and blocker again.

“He’s winning on routes,” Phillips said. “[In] the joint practices he had some really nice routes on some third downs. But the other thing with him coming in fully healthy is you’ve seen what we’ve been used to as a complete tight end, really competing in the run game and doing some good things in both blocking and pass protection.”

Hockenson can be the best friend of a young quarterback, Phillips said, due to the high-percentage throws and advantageous matchups against linebackers or safeties.

As a friend might, Hockenson said he has noticed McCarthy can be a little hard on himself.

“That’s something that I’ve been continuing to work on even since college,” said McCarthy, a self-described perfectionist. “I want everything to be perfect out there. That’s just unrealistic.”

“That’s kind of the psycho in me,” he added, “when he catches a 20-yard high cross and I’m like, ‘Hmm, could’ve been 30.’ ”
But, Hockenson said, “We’re all psychos.

“He always comes off the field with four, five, six things he wants to be better at,” Hockenson added, “and you respect that.”

Source: STRIB

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  OT: JAWS 50th anniversaryin theatres
Posted by: RS_Express - 08-30-2025, 12:37 PM - Forum: The Longship - Replies (6)

I was 4 when it first came out and though I've seen it on TV a bunch and had it on DVD and now Bluray, I've never seen it on a big screen.  Until today  Cool  Had heard about the 50th year release but didn't expect my half-horse town theatre to get it.  Heading out the door now and can't wait!

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  Was this the Packers version of Herschel Walker trade?
Posted by: Montana Tom - 08-30-2025, 08:39 AM - Forum: The Longship - Replies (11)

I had this observation yesterday on a thread...Michael Rand of the Strib must have been reading my mind.  This morning's column (with sarcastic wit and all}...
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RandBall: Did the Packers just make their version of the Herschel Walker trade?
Green Bay traded a lot to get pass rusher Micah Parsons from Dallas. Was it too much? Michael Rand looks at the deal in today’s 10 things to know.

My most active group chat contains six people, all of whom have gone on many versions of a yearly road trip to see baseball games and other sporting events.

The crew leans heavily toward Minnesota sports, but one of the six is a Wisconsin native and therefore a Packers fan. We try to be supportive of his life choices and understand that sometimes you are just born into circumstances beyond your control.

In the chat Thursday, not long after it was announced that the Packers had made a big swing and traded for Cowboys pass rusher Micah Parsons, he perhaps got out in front of any heat coming his way by writing, “If Micah Parsons loses his shoe while running a recovered fumble back for a touchdown in his first game, I’m going to be worried.”

It was perfect, of course, in that it required the knowledge that Herschel Walker, in his first game after a blockbuster trade from the Cowboys to the Vikings in 1989 (against my friend’s beloved Packers, no less), scampered 47 yards on a play in which he lost his shoe.

That game unfortunately turned out to be the high water mark in the Walker era with the Vikings. The trade that sent a million players and draft picks to Dallas, laying the foundation for three Super Bowl wins for the Cowboys in the 1990s, is now considered one of the most lopsided in history.

Did Green Bay just make its version of the Walker trade, dealing two first-round picks and game-wrecking run-stuffer Kenny Clark to Dallas while giving Parsons the biggest non-QB contract in history?

The short answer to the Walker trade question is probably not, though Packers fans are probably not soothed by Cowboys owner/GM Jerry Jones invoking the Walker trade in talking about the Parsons deal.

  • The Vikings traded three first-round picks and three second-round picks to get Walker (among other things), which is still painful to type.
  • This isn’t that. But ... my first reaction upon seeing the trade was that the Packers gave up a ton to get Parsons. Clark leaves a ton of dead money on the Packers’ cap, has tormented the Vikings for years and should still be a productive player at age 29. The Packers now don’t have a first-round pick until 2028. And Parsons’ $188 million deal over four years ($136 million guaranteed) is massive.
  • It’s somewhere between the Walker trade and what the Vikings gave up to get Jared Allen in 2008 from Kansas City (three draft picks, including a first-rounder, and a big new contract for Allen).
  • Allen is a Hall of Famer. He almost helped the Vikings reach the Super Bowl after the 2009 season. I don’t know if it’s Super Bowl or bust to judge success with the Parsons trade. But the Walker trade tells us we will know more easily if it was a failure.

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  #1 Texas at #2 Ohio State
Posted by: StickierBuns - 08-30-2025, 05:49 AM - Forum: The Longship - Replies (19)

Big Noon game on FOX. Get to see Arch Manning in a huge game on the road.

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