Should the Vikings take a QB in the first 4 rounds?

If Rosen is truly available for a third, you do the trade...otherwise I'd grab a guy like Jackson from Buffalo at the end of Day 3

I am not as convinced that cousins won't be resigned.  Last seasons oline issues were not on him so imo until that is resolved it's really up in the air.  I will say if they truly dont think Sloter has a future beyond scout team reps then they need to start thinking QB in even the 2nd or 3rd rounds so if they do move on from KC they have a young guy with a couple years of mentoring under his belt ready to step in instead of these journeyman retreads they try to squeeze a year out of here and there.

Cousins isn't elite.  You need to keep churning through QBs until you find that elite guy.  The whole idea of waiting until you want to get rid of your QB before starting to look for another is super dumb.  The Giants should have got a QB years ago.  The Dolphins should have got a QB years ago.  Even if you have an elite QB, it's not a bad idea to keep searching, as you never know when you'll need them, and they can almost always be flipped for picks.

@"JimmyinSD" said: I am not as convinced that cousins won't be resigned.  Last seasons oline issues were not on him so imo until that is resolved it's really up in the air.  I will say if they truly dont think Sloter has a future beyond scout team reps then they need to start thinking QB in even the 2nd or 3rd rounds so if they do move on from KC they have a young guy with a couple years of mentoring under his belt ready to step in instead of these journeyman retreads they try to squeeze a year out of here and there.

I'd say a 2 rounder or maybe higher next year would make sense if the team is ready to move on from Kirk. We are for better or worse married to that 3 year deal. Unless someone wants to take it off our hands. This year every high draft pick will likely be spent to improve the teams chances of THIS marriage working. Otherwise there will be a divorce. Not just Kirk but the Wilf's from Mike and maybe Rick. These guys can't afford to play the long game...imo. I'm not injecting my opinion for or against just addressing the probably business side of it. If Sloter is not making them confident they will try someone else. That's an affordable #2.

Geez, after one year with Cousins we're already closing the book on him as our long-term starter?  That seems a little knee-jerkish...
I guess we'll see how things play out this season, but I don't think the Vikings will be taking a QB early in this draft.  If we're playing hypotheticals... and let's say the Vikings don't make the playoffs the Wilf's clean house...  does it really make sense to take a QB this season?  Wouldn't you want the new HC and GM to pick "their guy"?

I'd say no.  Before we spend (waste) draft capital, why not see what you've got in Sloter?  Yeah, maybe they don't believe in him... but they didn't believe in O'Neill either (until they were forced to play him).  The only reason that this regime should draft a QB is if they intend to start him from day 1.  Otherwise, I don't think that the QB will get a chance, no matter how good they are.  I just don't trust this regime to get players ready to start (unless they play CB).

@"JimmyinSD" said: I am not as convinced that cousins won't be resigned.  Last seasons oline issues were not on him so imo until that is resolved it's really up in the air.  I will say if they truly dont think Sloter has a future beyond scout team reps then they need to start thinking QB in even the 2nd or 3rd rounds so if they do move on from KC they have a young guy with a couple years of mentoring under his belt ready to step in instead of these journeyman retreads they try to squeeze a year out of here and there.

As of today if the Vikings had to make a decision on Cousins I would put my money on the front office opting to not resign him. Internally he hasn't been exactly what they thought. Doesn't mean that year two won't be better and change the narrative. 

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: I am not as convinced that cousins won't be resigned.  Last seasons oline issues were not on him so imo until that is resolved it's really up in the air.  I will say if they truly dont think Sloter has a future beyond scout team reps then they need to start thinking QB in even the 2nd or 3rd rounds so if they do move on from KC they have a young guy with a couple years of mentoring under his belt ready to step in instead of these journeyman retreads they try to squeeze a year out of here and there.

As of today if the Vikings had to make a decision on Cousins I would put my money on the front office opting to not resign him. Internally he hasn't been exactly what they thought. Doesn't mean that year two won't be better and change the narrative. 

The Vikings have got more pressing needs this year than a quarterback.  Why bring in a rookie quarterback just to watch him get killed on the field?

@"ArizonaViking" said: The Vikings have got more pressing needs this year than a quarterback.  Why bring in a rookie quarterback just to watch him get killed on the field?

?  You bring in a rookie QB, so he can learn behind Cousins and take over when he's ready.  No one would bring in a rookie QB to start day 1.

@"ArizonaViking" said: The Vikings have got more pressing needs this year than a quarterback.  Why bring in a rookie quarterback just to watch him get killed on the field?

you bring in the rookie to get settled into the offense while Kirk is still at the helm.  Get the kid some experience before throwing him out there to get killed.

I just wish elite QB's came with a flashing light on their heads that would make them easier to identify come scouting, combine, pro-days, etc.
It's easy to say team X needs to get a QB years ago.  True, but looking at the draft classes for the past decade or so, how many "elite" QB's were there?  By definition elite means rare.  For every Rodgers how many Couch's, Manziel's, Carr's, Russell's, Harrington's, et al have come...stunk it up...and left the stage.  I know everybody wants the next Mahomes and he'll probably have a good NFL career, but I don't think the Patriots were calling Brady elite when they drafted him.  In Eli's case he's only won 2 Super Bowls so he should have been kicked to the curb years ago?
That the Vikes, even with Cousins entering year 2 of his deal, needs to prepare for "that day" is undeniable.  But many QB's become very good NFL QB's by looking, listening and preparing for the day when they hand over the clipboard for the pigskin. 
Day one starters are great and exciting...but very, very, very rare.  Even Rodgers had to pay his dues before he hit the field.  Maybe Sloter is that guy...maybe not.  Thinking some guy in the 3rd round this year is going to be Johnny U might be a bit premature.  Ask Josh Rosen.

@"Ralphie" said: I just wish elite QB's came with a flashing light on their heads that would make them easier to identify come scouting, combine, pro-days, etc. It's easy to say team X needs to get a QB years ago.  True, but looking at the draft classes for the past decade or so, how many "elite" QB's were there?  By definition elite means rare.  For every Rodgers how many Couch's, Manziel's, Carr's, Russell's, Harrington's, et al have come...stunk it up...and left the stage.  I know everybody wants the next Mahomes and he'll probably have a good NFL career, but I don't think the Patriots were calling Brady elite when they drafted him.  In Eli's case he's only won 2 Super Bowls so he should have been kicked to the curb years ago? That the Vikes, even with Cousins entering year 2 of his deal, needs to prepare for "that day" is undeniable.  But many QB's become very good NFL QB's by looking, listening and preparing for the day when they hand over the clipboard for the pigskin.  Day one starters are great and exciting...but very, very, very rare.  Even Rodgers had to pay his dues before he hit the field.  Maybe Sloter is that guy...maybe not.  Thinking some guy in the 3rd round this year is going to be Johnny U might be a bit premature.  Ask Josh Rosen.

I thought Rick finally had "his" guy when we drafted Teddy.  What if the Vikes would've signed Teddy instead of spending $30Mil on Cousins?  We were 8-7-1 last season with the "second best QB in Viking's history" stats Cousins gave us.  I wonder if the win/loss record would've been much different with Teddy at Qb ?  I do know our cap situation would be a hell of a lot better with Teddy at the helm, and we could still be looking for the next young QB to take over. 

Did the Vikings spend all this money on Cousins only to find out he's not worth it after one season?  It's quite possible, and RS had to be held accountable.

Not a year to go that high for a QB...Too much narrative still to be written. 

@"HappyViking" said:

@"Ralphie" said: I just wish elite QB's came with a flashing light on their heads that would make them easier to identify come scouting, combine, pro-days, etc. It's easy to say team X needs to get a QB years ago.  True, but looking at the draft classes for the past decade or so, how many "elite" QB's were there?  By definition elite means rare.  For every Rodgers how many Couch's, Manziel's, Carr's, Russell's, Harrington's, et al have come...stunk it up...and left the stage.  I know everybody wants the next Mahomes and he'll probably have a good NFL career, but I don't think the Patriots were calling Brady elite when they drafted him.  In Eli's case he's only won 2 Super Bowls so he should have been kicked to the curb years ago? That the Vikes, even with Cousins entering year 2 of his deal, needs to prepare for "that day" is undeniable.  But many QB's become very good NFL QB's by looking, listening and preparing for the day when they hand over the clipboard for the pigskin.  Day one starters are great and exciting...but very, very, very rare.  Even Rodgers had to pay his dues before he hit the field.  Maybe Sloter is that guy...maybe not.  Thinking some guy in the 3rd round this year is going to be Johnny U might be a bit premature.  Ask Josh Rosen.

I thought Rick finally had "his" guy when we drafted Teddy.  What if the Vikes would've signed Teddy instead of spending $30Mil on Cousins?  We were 8-7-1 last season with the "second best QB in Viking's history" stats Cousins gave us.  I wonder if the win/loss record would've been much different with Teddy at Qb ?  I do know our cap situation would be a hell of a lot better with Teddy at the helm, and we could still be looking for the next young QB to take over. 

Did the Vikings spend all this money on Cousins only to find out he's not worth it after one season?  It's quite possible, and RS had to be held accountable.

@"purplefaithful" said: Not a year to go that high for a QB...Too much narrative still to be written. 

This. The defense is there. The back is there. The receivers are there. Proven offensive line coaches are now there. Let's get some balance, get the talent on the line to league average and see what Cousins can do with better protection. He looked pretty bad at various points 2nd half of the season. But he had flashes of brilliance in the 1st half. If he blows up, you extend him. If he continues to falter in big moments, you draft one high in '20. Young QB still gets a year in the hopper. 

If we're unable to sign a veteran to compete with Sloter then this scenario changes a bit, but I fully expect us to. 

I dont think the decision to go QB in the middle part of the draft is made by how they feel about Cousins,  this should be dictated by how they feel about Sloter IMO... I the coaches dont think our project QB is going to pan out... they need to get a new project QB in the mix now.

This is the make or break year for Captain Kirk. The OL is still a work in progress but he has to step up. He has to own his part by making some better decisions. He has to throw the ball away when necessary and get the ball out faster. If he wants a longer deal, the time is now to show what he can do. He had great stats, but he has to do more. The first half of the season was different than the second half of the season. If they somehow cobble together an average OL, it will be better. Plus he has time under his belt in the system. Hopefully the defense shows up too. But he needs to sustain the energy and not turtle up.

@"Vikergirl" said: This is the make or break year for Captain Kirk. The OL is still a work in progress but he has to step up. He has to own his part by making some better decisions. He has to throw the ball away when necessary and get the ball out faster. If he wants a longer deal, the time is now to show what he can do. He had great stats, but he has to do more. The first half of the season was different than the second half of the season. If they somehow cobble together an average OL, it will be better. Plus he has time under his belt in the system. Hopefully the defense shows up too. But he needs to sustain the energy and not turtle up.

Does He?   New OC... likley another new system for our O.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Vikergirl" said: This is the make or break year for Captain Kirk. The OL is still a work in progress but he has to step up. He has to own his part by making some better decisions. He has to throw the ball away when necessary and get the ball out faster. If he wants a longer deal, the time is now to show what he can do. He had great stats, but he has to do more. The first half of the season was different than the second half of the season. If they somehow cobble together an average OL, it will be better. Plus he has time under his belt in the system. Hopefully the defense shows up too. But he needs to sustain the energy and not turtle up.

Does He?   New OC... likley another new system for our O.