Should the Vikings take a QB in the first 4 rounds?

@"SFVikingFan" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"SFVikingFan" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Wetlander" said: Typically the best chances to find a legit starting QB is in the 1st round and even that is a crap shoot... and in a weak class, we won't get a shot at Haskins or Murray.

I guess if you're a believer in Lock, Jones, and Finley...  the latter two will likely be there at 18, but I don't think any of these guys will be franchise QBs.

I think we need to face the facts and come to the realization that Cousins will be our starter for the next two seasons whether fans like it or not.  And it's extremely unlikely that a Day 2 or 3 QB will be as good as Cousins is in a year or two...

That said...  Will Grier is a guy I would be all over if he's there in the 3rd or 4th.  I think NFL teams are higher on him than the draft pundits are so he'll probably get picked at some point early Day 2.  That's too early for the Vikings to consider a QB given that we'll need to use either our 1st or 2nd round pick on an offensive lineman.

I think everyone understands the Cousins has a guaranteed contract and he'll be the starter for 2 more years: that's not what I'm advocating or talking about. My take is there is 0.0% chance he sees another contract in Minnesota. Time to start thinking of the future at QB. I'm sure there will be journeyman vet QBs to sign as a band-aid and that would be oh so Vikings. Right on brand. And yes, no doubt the odds are way better drafting a QB early. But that would cause an implosion because then you really are admitting the Cousins' signing was a mistake. I don't think they can be that blatant.....yet. 

Everyone on this board, in Minnesota, in the sports media had penciled in the Vikings as the NFC Superbowl faves last season: and it was a shit show. I just dont see how that will change this season. 

I'm a little worried the Vikings will be too afraid to draft or sign a rookie QB this year because of how it would look with Cousins on the roster, kind of like how they never stocked the pipeline behind TJack, Ponder, Teddy, etc.  Hopefully those chickenshit days are over, but I'm definitely not counting on it.

Having said that, I really like Sloter and hope he is the answer after Cousins, but they still need to have a continuous flow of young QBs coming in just in case he's not.  It's a little like playing the lottery, you never know when you will hit the jackpot, but you sure as hell can't win by not playing.

With only two years left on Cousins contract, I don't think the Vikings are overly concerned with the kind of message it sends. They might actually like the message it sends. It's just not the year to do it IMO. Vikings don't need competition for Cousins right now and they sure as hell won't find it among mid-round rookies in this QB class (with the possible exception of Will Grier who might last until the 3rd round). They need to bring in a QB who can provide a legitimate competition for Sloter not Cousins. And that's either a veteran or a late round draft pick. Their best investment for 2019 is doing everything they can to improve the OL and shape the offense around Cousins...which it sounds like they're doing. 

If they decide they don't want to extend Cousins, 2020 will be the year they draft his replacement. But 2019 will be the year that determines it, not 2018. 

So once again, by that point the Vikings would be backed into a corner and would really only give themselves one shot to hit on a QB before Cousins is gone (which I'm 95% sure he will be).  There is no wrong time to be looking to add young QBs to your roster IMO.  Even if it's just taking a chance on an late-round or undrafted FA who seems to have a lot of potential like the Broncos did with Sloter.

Trevor Lawrence in 2021.  !!!!!!!!!!!!

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"SFVikingFan" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"SFVikingFan" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Wetlander" said: Typically the best chances to find a legit starting QB is in the 1st round and even that is a crap shoot... and in a weak class, we won't get a shot at Haskins or Murray.

I guess if you're a believer in Lock, Jones, and Finley...  the latter two will likely be there at 18, but I don't think any of these guys will be franchise QBs.

I think we need to face the facts and come to the realization that Cousins will be our starter for the next two seasons whether fans like it or not.  And it's extremely unlikely that a Day 2 or 3 QB will be as good as Cousins is in a year or two...

That said...  Will Grier is a guy I would be all over if he's there in the 3rd or 4th.  I think NFL teams are higher on him than the draft pundits are so he'll probably get picked at some point early Day 2.  That's too early for the Vikings to consider a QB given that we'll need to use either our 1st or 2nd round pick on an offensive lineman.

I think everyone understands the Cousins has a guaranteed contract and he'll be the starter for 2 more years: that's not what I'm advocating or talking about. My take is there is 0.0% chance he sees another contract in Minnesota. Time to start thinking of the future at QB. I'm sure there will be journeyman vet QBs to sign as a band-aid and that would be oh so Vikings. Right on brand. And yes, no doubt the odds are way better drafting a QB early. But that would cause an implosion because then you really are admitting the Cousins' signing was a mistake. I don't think they can be that blatant.....yet. 

Everyone on this board, in Minnesota, in the sports media had penciled in the Vikings as the NFC Superbowl faves last season: and it was a shit show. I just dont see how that will change this season. 

I'm a little worried the Vikings will be too afraid to draft or sign a rookie QB this year because of how it would look with Cousins on the roster, kind of like how they never stocked the pipeline behind TJack, Ponder, Teddy, etc.  Hopefully those chickenshit days are over, but I'm definitely not counting on it.

Having said that, I really like Sloter and hope he is the answer after Cousins, but they still need to have a continuous flow of young QBs coming in just in case he's not.  It's a little like playing the lottery, you never know when you will hit the jackpot, but you sure as hell can't win by not playing.

With only two years left on Cousins contract, I don't think the Vikings are overly concerned with the kind of message it sends. They might actually like the message it sends. It's just not the year to do it IMO. Vikings don't need competition for Cousins right now and they sure as hell won't find it among mid-round rookies in this QB class (with the possible exception of Will Grier who might last until the 3rd round). They need to bring in a QB who can provide a legitimate competition for Sloter not Cousins. And that's either a veteran or a late round draft pick. Their best investment for 2019 is doing everything they can to improve the OL and shape the offense around Cousins...which it sounds like they're doing. 

If they decide they don't want to extend Cousins, 2020 will be the year they draft his replacement. But 2019 will be the year that determines it, not 2018. 

So once again, by that point the Vikings would be backed into a corner and would really only give themselves one shot to hit on a QB before Cousins is gone (which I'm 95% sure he will be).  There is no wrong time to be looking to add young QBs to your roster IMO.  Even if it's just taking a chance on an late-round or undrafted FA who seems to have a lot of potential like the Broncos did with Sloter.

The odds of "hitting" on a QB in any round this year are far lower than the odds of hitting with Kirk Cousins given a better line and a more balanced offense. So far I've heard there's a "0.0%" chance Cousins is extended. You give him a 5% chance. We'll see how it turns out but I'd say you're both a WEE bit low on that.  

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@"Sir Viking Bob VWO" said: Trevor Lawrence in 2021.  !!!!!!!!!!!!

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"SFVikingFan" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"SFVikingFan" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Wetlander" said: Typically the best chances to find a legit starting QB is in the 1st round and even that is a crap shoot... and in a weak class, we won't get a shot at Haskins or Murray.

I guess if you're a believer in Lock, Jones, and Finley...  the latter two will likely be there at 18, but I don't think any of these guys will be franchise QBs.

I think we need to face the facts and come to the realization that Cousins will be our starter for the next two seasons whether fans like it or not.  And it's extremely unlikely that a Day 2 or 3 QB will be as good as Cousins is in a year or two...

That said...  Will Grier is a guy I would be all over if he's there in the 3rd or 4th.  I think NFL teams are higher on him than the draft pundits are so he'll probably get picked at some point early Day 2.  That's too early for the Vikings to consider a QB given that we'll need to use either our 1st or 2nd round pick on an offensive lineman.

I think everyone understands the Cousins has a guaranteed contract and he'll be the starter for 2 more years: that's not what I'm advocating or talking about. My take is there is 0.0% chance he sees another contract in Minnesota. Time to start thinking of the future at QB. I'm sure there will be journeyman vet QBs to sign as a band-aid and that would be oh so Vikings. Right on brand. And yes, no doubt the odds are way better drafting a QB early. But that would cause an implosion because then you really are admitting the Cousins' signing was a mistake. I don't think they can be that blatant.....yet. 

Everyone on this board, in Minnesota, in the sports media had penciled in the Vikings as the NFC Superbowl faves last season: and it was a shit show. I just dont see how that will change this season. 

I'm a little worried the Vikings will be too afraid to draft or sign a rookie QB this year because of how it would look with Cousins on the roster, kind of like how they never stocked the pipeline behind TJack, Ponder, Teddy, etc.  Hopefully those chickenshit days are over, but I'm definitely not counting on it.

Having said that, I really like Sloter and hope he is the answer after Cousins, but they still need to have a continuous flow of young QBs coming in just in case he's not.  It's a little like playing the lottery, you never know when you will hit the jackpot, but you sure as hell can't win by not playing.

With only two years left on Cousins contract, I don't think the Vikings are overly concerned with the kind of message it sends. They might actually like the message it sends. It's just not the year to do it IMO. Vikings don't need competition for Cousins right now and they sure as hell won't find it among mid-round rookies in this QB class (with the possible exception of Will Grier who might last until the 3rd round). They need to bring in a QB who can provide a legitimate competition for Sloter not Cousins. And that's either a veteran or a late round draft pick. Their best investment for 2019 is doing everything they can to improve the OL and shape the offense around Cousins...which it sounds like they're doing. 

If they decide they don't want to extend Cousins, 2020 will be the year they draft his replacement. But 2019 will be the year that determines it, not 2018. 

So once again, by that point the Vikings would be backed into a corner and would really only give themselves one shot to hit on a QB before Cousins is gone (which I'm 95% sure he will be).  There is no wrong time to be looking to add young QBs to your roster IMO.  Even if it's just taking a chance on an late-round or undrafted FA who seems to have a lot of potential like the Broncos did with Sloter.

The odds of "hitting" on a QB in any round this year are far lower than the odds of hitting with Kirk Cousins given a better line and a more balanced offense. So far I've heard there's a "0.0%" chance Cousins is extended. You give him a 5% chance. We'll see how it turns out but I'd say you're both a WEE bit low on that.  

@"Jor-El" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"SFVikingFan" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"SFVikingFan" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Wetlander" said: Typically the best chances to find a legit starting QB is in the 1st round and even that is a crap shoot... and in a weak class, we won't get a shot at Haskins or Murray.

I guess if you're a believer in Lock, Jones, and Finley...  the latter two will likely be there at 18, but I don't think any of these guys will be franchise QBs.

I think we need to face the facts and come to the realization that Cousins will be our starter for the next two seasons whether fans like it or not.  And it's extremely unlikely that a Day 2 or 3 QB will be as good as Cousins is in a year or two...

That said...  Will Grier is a guy I would be all over if he's there in the 3rd or 4th.  I think NFL teams are higher on him than the draft pundits are so he'll probably get picked at some point early Day 2.  That's too early for the Vikings to consider a QB given that we'll need to use either our 1st or 2nd round pick on an offensive lineman.

I think everyone understands the Cousins has a guaranteed contract and he'll be the starter for 2 more years: that's not what I'm advocating or talking about. My take is there is 0.0% chance he sees another contract in Minnesota. Time to start thinking of the future at QB. I'm sure there will be journeyman vet QBs to sign as a band-aid and that would be oh so Vikings. Right on brand. And yes, no doubt the odds are way better drafting a QB early. But that would cause an implosion because then you really are admitting the Cousins' signing was a mistake. I don't think they can be that blatant.....yet. 

Everyone on this board, in Minnesota, in the sports media had penciled in the Vikings as the NFC Superbowl faves last season: and it was a shit show. I just dont see how that will change this season. 

I'm a little worried the Vikings will be too afraid to draft or sign a rookie QB this year because of how it would look with Cousins on the roster, kind of like how they never stocked the pipeline behind TJack, Ponder, Teddy, etc.  Hopefully those chickenshit days are over, but I'm definitely not counting on it.

Having said that, I really like Sloter and hope he is the answer after Cousins, but they still need to have a continuous flow of young QBs coming in just in case he's not.  It's a little like playing the lottery, you never know when you will hit the jackpot, but you sure as hell can't win by not playing.

With only two years left on Cousins contract, I don't think the Vikings are overly concerned with the kind of message it sends. They might actually like the message it sends. It's just not the year to do it IMO. Vikings don't need competition for Cousins right now and they sure as hell won't find it among mid-round rookies in this QB class (with the possible exception of Will Grier who might last until the 3rd round). They need to bring in a QB who can provide a legitimate competition for Sloter not Cousins. And that's either a veteran or a late round draft pick. Their best investment for 2019 is doing everything they can to improve the OL and shape the offense around Cousins...which it sounds like they're doing. 

If they decide they don't want to extend Cousins, 2020 will be the year they draft his replacement. But 2019 will be the year that determines it, not 2018. 

So once again, by that point the Vikings would be backed into a corner and would really only give themselves one shot to hit on a QB before Cousins is gone (which I'm 95% sure he will be).  There is no wrong time to be looking to add young QBs to your roster IMO.  Even if it's just taking a chance on an late-round or undrafted FA who seems to have a lot of potential like the Broncos did with Sloter.

The odds of "hitting" on a QB in any round this year are far lower than the odds of hitting with Kirk Cousins given a better line and a more balanced offense. So far I've heard there's a "0.0%" chance Cousins is extended. You give him a 5% chance. We'll see how it turns out but I'd say you're both a WEE bit low on that.  

Definitely agree that both 0.0% and 5% are unrealistically low. But here's the thing: it doesn't matter what any of us think the odds are, if you're trying to see if the Vikings will start looking for alternatives. Do people predicting these low odds actually believe that Rick Spielman feels it's 1-in-20 or less that Cousins will remain here?? Not just some theory about what Spielman might believe internally: is he about to tell the Wilfs, "We need to start looking for someone to replace Cousins because we already know we aren't going to keep him after 2020"..?
People who think we will not re-sign Cousins (0.0 or 5% or anything else that low): do you think we will not re-sign him if, in the next two seasons, we win a Super Bowl with him starting at QB? What if we go to a SB, or have 2 straight 12+ win seasons with a playoff win each year? Unless you think we will send him packing at age 32 regardless of his success, you're saying we cannot win with Cousins.
I can't believe Spielman is going to exhibit anything but total faith in Cousins. I think this is his last shot at solving the Vikings' QB puzzle.

Easton Stick in the fourth, been watching him play since his freshman year. He has a lot of talent.

I think the only way Cousins is off the team is if a better option is in hand, either outright better, or same quality but cheaper.  I don't think we'll let Cousins go, and then see what's available.  We'll have to have something in hand, and then not resign him.  I think that pretty much rules out drafting a QB in 2021.

I know I was opposed to a QB, but I’ve started to change my mind after some tape review. 

Will Grier is one of the best prospects I’ve reviewed in some time. His accuracy is excellent whether on the move or in the pocket. His delivery is fast. A little quirky at times because of the speed he gets it out. Overall his arm is average, which is to say he has the velocity needed to get the job done but he’s not going to wow you. With that said he has good zip on his short and intermediate throws and as said he gets it on top of his guy quick. He ha solid pocket presence. His negatives are holding the ball too long and trying to force a throw over throwing it out of bounds.

He’s a gamer who I’d strongly consider if he makes it to is in round 2. He is a bit of a project and could use a year or two seasoning but the ingredients are there.

On a side note, I also reviewed Daniel Jones and I have to say I’d take Grier well ahead of him. Jones reminds me of Matt Cassel a bit. 

My take: draft a QB when you are not desperate to take a QB.  If there is a QB that the Vikings really like, draft him.  Even if it's in the 1st round.  If they wait until they have no good options, they are going to reach (Ponder and Bradford).

I've heard that this isn't a great QB class...  That's the same thing said about the 2017 group; those first round QBs all went to the playoffs last year and produced the MVP.

@"silverjoel" said: My take: draft a QB when you are not desperate to take a QB.  If there is a QB that the Vikings really like, draft him.  Even if it's in the 1st round.  If they wait until they have no good options, they are going to reach (Ponder and Bradford).

I've heard that this isn't a great QB class...  That's the same thing said about the 2017 group; those first round QBs all went to the playoffs last year and produced the MVP.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Sir Viking Bob VWO" said: Trevor Lawrence in 2021.  !!!!!!!!!!!!

Then ya better plan for a 1-15 2020 season.

1-15 could put us in position for 1st overall pick. We could have our choice of possible franchise QB's for the 1st time ever. That position has just as many failures as successes. 
Our history is more likely we finish somewhere in the middle. Not good enough for the playoffs not bad enough to get a top QB choice. This group (Mike & Rick) has to use all it's high choices on making this season work. So the question is SHOULD they? Then I say yes. Will they? Not very likely.
Win this year then nothing then worry about next. That has to be their mindset. That's mine.