CB with #1? A bit of a pivotal moment for me.

@"Poiple" said: It seems the only thing Rick and Zim like more than defense is to be smarter than everyone else.  Kind of stunned they would actually do it.  

They already have the number #1 D and they scored ZERO regular season points. The turnover rate was terrible also.

Points win games.  Tackles arent points.  Interceptions arent points.  Sacks arent points.  Third down stops arent points.  

POINTS ARE POINTS.

Smgdmfh....

My opinion is that this is a very smart pick. How have teams that annually make the playoffs keep their success? They draft to their strengths early in the draft. How many times do the Steelers draft LBs DBs and rushers? It keeps their defense from taking a step back. We do not have much depth at CB. I obviously like the pick.

Zim has said many times that splash plays aren't what he wants his guys to worry about. He wants them to be sound fundamentally and he wants them to tackle well, play within the scheme, and do their own job. If we have to rely on a scoring defense to win games then we're not going to win much.

You know what else leads to points? kick returns for good field position or touchdowns. And you know what else leads to points? The offense getting the ball back because the D is shutting them down. You know what else leads to points? Not having enough corners to come in when someone is ailing or injured and giving up points....to the other team

Come on we've drafted 5 dbs in the 1st or 2nd  rd since 2011...when is this group done being built....otoh just 2 Ol since then in 1st and 3rd  rds. FUCK this reasoning...start building a decent OL!!!!!! 3 yrs in a row it's been a shit show on the OL. even last yr had dismal display. I rarely get upset about the draft. But we need OL help like 4 yrs ago. We had calls to trade back and geez we got a day 1 starting K returner....remember Cordarrel he could actually play a starting role day 1 beside K returner! Oh BTW the kid has issues and is short and slow! Great!

@"prairieghost" said: Zim has said many times that splash plays aren't what he wants his guys to worry about. He wants them to be sound fundamentally and he wants them to tackle well, play within the scheme, and do their own job. If we have to rely on a scoring defense to win games then we're not going to win much.

@"Wetlander" said:

@"Poiple" said: It seems the only thing Rick and Zim like more than defense is to be smarter than everyone else.  Kind of stunned they would actually do it.  

They already have the number #1 D and they scored ZERO regular season points. The turnover rate was terrible also.

Points win games.  Tackles arent points.  Interceptions arent points.  Sacks arent points.  Third down stops arent points.  

POINTS ARE POINTS.

Smgdmfh....

Well, to be 100% accurate...  the Vikings defense DID score points last year.  Or did you forget Eric Kendrick's pick-6?  Also, how many times did the Vikings defense get the offense favorable field position because they were some dominant on 3rd down?  Short fields lead to points.
Smgdmfh....

@"Poiple" said: Yes, I have no recollection of it and neither does ESPN.  And you really want to stand on 1 TD being enough justification for the ridiculous amount of draft picks on the secondary and ignoring the O line?   One?

I have never tried inserting a link but here is the reference.  Maybe i am reading the ZERO wrong.  

http://http//www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense/sort/interceptionTouchdowns/position/defense

I don't really see this as very shocking.  We only had one real hole on this team which was one spot on the OLine.  Teams routinely pick up starting caliber players at G in the 2nd or 3rd rounds.  It's not a big shock that we would pick one up then and get a more premier position in the first.  Nickle corner is practically a starter in this league, and we're depending on Alexander and maybe Newman at that spot.  If Newman plays this is likely his last year.  This is potentially Waynes last year if he ends up being a guy we can't resign because of cap reasons.  Plus as we've seen, CBs usually need a little time to season before playing well in our system.  If we wait until next year, we could be put in a very bad spot.

I think they just looked at all the players and thought Hughes was BPA among our positions of need, and didn't feel like we were going to miss out on a starting caliber OLine.  I'm sure if things get too tight, they'll trade up to get the OLine they want.

@"medaille" said: I don't really see this as very shocking.  We only had one real hole on this team which was one spot on the OLine.  Teams routinely pick up starting caliber players at G in the 2nd or 3rd rounds.  It's not a big shock that we would pick one up then and get a more premier position in the first.  Nickle corner is practically a starter in this league, and we're depending on Alexander and maybe Newman at that spot.  If Newman plays this is likely his last year.  This is potentially Waynes last year if he ends up being a guy we can't resign because of cap reasons.  Plus as we've seen, CBs usually need a little time to season before playing well in our system.  If we wait until next year, we could be put in a very bad spot.

I think they just looked at all the players and thought Hughes was BPA among our positions of need, and didn't feel like we were going to miss out on a starting caliber OLine.  I'm sure if things get too tight, they'll trade up to get the OLine they want.

I'm actually not shocked either, at least that they skipped the OL. It has been the Vikings' most obvious need since 2014, and their top picks for the unit have been David Yankey (5th), TJ Clemmings (4th), Willie Beavers (4th), and Pat Elflein (3rd). SPIELMAN DOES NOT DRAFT OFFENSIVE LINEMEN EARLY!! You all know this, so let's quit rationalizing that Ragnow and Price being picked early changed their plans. This little CB was Zimmer's target all along.
Orlando Brown will probably be there in the 3rd round and Spielman will pick him and declare that he was the best OT on their board throughout the draft process and should have been a 1st-round pick. That will be your offensive line boost for 2018.

I agree that OL has been neglected in the past. But you cannot just focus on draft picks. The Vikings have picked up quite a few OL in FA lately as a result of neglecting the line in the past and missing on Kalil with the 4th overall pick. We paid a lot of money to Rieff and Remmers. We also picked up Andrews and Compton. This year. We are only keeping 9 OL. The coaches may like a lot of the guys they already have: Isidora, Hill, Collins ... Plus Easton and Elflein. That's a pretty full boat already. (Compare that to the lack of depth at CB.) The Vikings have already done a lot to upgrade the OL from 2 and 3 years ago. I agree on taking another one - probably even tonight depending on who is there. But it is not a must.
I don't quite get the panic re the OL. We were 13-3 last year and suffered injuries on the OL late. We have some young OL who are expected to develop. CB was a bigger need and a position with less quality depth in this draft. We will likely take an OL soon. We are good and getting better. Relax.

@"Jor-El" said:

@"medaille" said: I don't really see this as very shocking.  We only had one real hole on this team which was one spot on the OLine.  Teams routinely pick up starting caliber players at G in the 2nd or 3rd rounds.  It's not a big shock that we would pick one up then and get a more premier position in the first.  Nickle corner is practically a starter in this league, and we're depending on Alexander and maybe Newman at that spot.  If Newman plays this is likely his last year.  This is potentially Waynes last year if he ends up being a guy we can't resign because of cap reasons.  Plus as we've seen, CBs usually need a little time to season before playing well in our system.  If we wait until next year, we could be put in a very bad spot.

I think they just looked at all the players and thought Hughes was BPA among our positions of need, and didn't feel like we were going to miss out on a starting caliber OLine.  I'm sure if things get too tight, they'll trade up to get the OLine they want.

I'm actually not shocked either, at least that they skipped the OL. It has been the Vikings' most obvious need since 2014, and their top picks for the unit have been David Yankey (5th), TJ Clemmings (4th), Willie Beavers (4th), and Pat Elflein (3rd). SPIELMAN DOES NOT DRAFT OFFENSIVE LINEMEN EARLY!! You all know this, so let's quit rationalizing that Ragnow and Price being picked early changed their plans. This little CB was Zimmer's target all along.
Orlando Brown will probably be there in the 3rd round and Spielman will pick him and declare that he was the best OT on their board throughout the draft process and should have been a 1st-round pick. That will be your offensive line boost for 2018.

It isnt the number of O lineman.  It is the quality of them.  They are a below average group.  If the Vikings want to reliably compete they need an above average group.  

There is no ignoring or rationalizing that will explain away the fact that Rick and Zimmer neglect the offense for the sake of the defense.  If you cant see it, no problem.   If your season is made happy by having a number one D and going home empty handed in the playoffs, then good for you.  But there is no way you can convince me that a Nickle or Dime CB is needed as much as an offensive lineman on this sub par O line.  

The fact that you guys count the number of lineman and say “problem solved” or that you believe a late round pick is the same as a first round pick already rules you out of intelligent discussions. 

@"Poiple" said: It isnt the number of O lineman.  It is the quality of them.  They are a below average group.  If the Vikings want to reliably compete they need an above average group.  

There is no ignoring or rationalizing that will explain away the fact that Rick and Zimmer neglect the offense for the sake of the defense.  If you cant see it, no problem.   If your season is made happy by having a number one D and going home empty handed in the playoffs, then good for you.  But there is no way you can convince me that a Nickle or Dime CB is needed as much as an offensive lineman on this sub par O line.  

The fact that you guys count the number of lineman and say “problem solved” or that you believe a late round pick is the same as a first round pick already rules you out of intelligent discussions. 

And you already think Isidora can't play?

And you already think Minnesota can't add a good player to the Line in the next two rounds of what is inarguably a deeper interior O-Line class than the one that produced Elf in the 3rd last year?

Sounds to me like someone has their mind made up for sure. Intelligent discussion indeed.

@"FSUVike" said:

So you already think Flipper is a bust? Cuz he's doubtlessly the one who pushed Rick to sign the kid from the Eagles but what does he know.

And you already think Isidora can't play?

And you already think Minnesota can't add a good player to the Line in the next two rounds of what is inarguably a deeper interior O-Line class than the one that produced Elf in the 3rd last year?

Sounds to me like someone has their mind made up for sure. Intelligent discussion indeed.

@"FSUVike" said:

@"Poiple" said: It isnt the number of O lineman.  It is the quality of them.  They are a below average group.  If the Vikings want to reliably compete they need an above average group.  

There is no ignoring or rationalizing that will explain away the fact that Rick and Zimmer neglect the offense for the sake of the defense.  If you cant see it, no problem.   If your season is made happy by having a number one D and going home empty handed in the playoffs, then good for you.  But there is no way you can convince me that a Nickle or Dime CB is needed as much as an offensive lineman on this sub par O line.  

The fact that you guys count the number of lineman and say “problem solved” or that you believe a late round pick is the same as a first round pick already rules you out of intelligent discussions. 

So you already think Flipper is a bust? Cuz he's doubtlessly the one who pushed Rick to sign the kid from the Eagles but what does he know.

And you already think Isidora can't play?

And you already think Minnesota can't add a good player to the Line in the next two rounds of what is inarguably a deeper interior O-Line class than the one that produced Elf in the 3rd last year?

Sounds to me like someone has their mind made up for sure. Intelligent discussion indeed.

@"Wetlander" said:

@"FSUVike" said:

So you already think Flipper is a bust? Cuz he's doubtlessly the one who pushed Rick to sign the kid from the Eagles but what does he know.

And you already think Isidora can't play?

And you already think Minnesota can't add a good player to the Line in the next two rounds of what is inarguably a deeper interior O-Line class than the one that produced Elf in the 3rd last year?

Sounds to me like someone has their mind made up for sure. Intelligent discussion indeed.

You forgot the "BOOM" at the end...

@"Poiple" said:

only boom needed is the one hittin you in the noggin to wake you up to the reality of the #1 D and the #11 O. lol

Sure, why not take a few more CBs first and maybe a safety.  Plenty of O lineman in the 6th and 7th right?  :p

@"Poiple" said: Sure, why not take a few more CBs first and maybe a safety.  Plenty of O lineman in the 6th and 7th right?  :p

I wouldn't advise that...  If we don't take an offensive lineman in the 2nd or 3rd round, I'll be right there with you holding a pitch fork.  ;-)