A little context on Zimmer's QB comments
A week after NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reported that Week 1 starter Sam Bradford"absolutely intends to play in 2018" after a November knee surgery revealed that the quarterback's infamous ligaments were "intact," Zimmer told media at the scouting combine that Bradford has a "degenerative" knee.
That's hardly a ringing endorsement of the veteran's health entering free agency, although Zimmer, per Pelissero, also said "Bradford was skiing last week," so "getting through a full season is the real unknown" -- and the factor that figures to force the former No 1 overall draft pick and 2016 trade acquisition to a new home in the coming weeks.
Can Keenum repeat his 2017 breakout? Zimmer: “You think he can, but it’s just kind of guessing.” Noted they had a good team around him.
Mike Zimmer on Case Keenum: “Is he the guy that played for the Rams or is he the guy that played for us?”
Damn, Mike Zimmer loose in Indy.
“A gentleman is someone who can play the accordion, but doesn't." - Tom Waits
He also mentioned that Sam's been on a ski trip recently! I'm sure that's great for the knees.
Out here on the West coast, saw Case with the Rams and the guy had NO help from his O-line or receivers.
His receivers couldn't hold on to a damn ball....and some playing "volleyball"
More from Zim. Very interesting stuff here. Do I sense a little Cousins caution in his tone?
“I don’t want to talk about windows and things like that because I’m hoping it’s more than a window – I’m hoping it’s wide-open spaces,” Zimmer said. “But I do think we have a good nucleus as a team.
“I think it’s really, really important that we understand – and I’m not just saying this – we’ve won 40 games in the last four years,” Zimmer added. “We’ve done that by being pretty good on defense. This year obviously the offense was much better, but part of the reason we’ve been winning games and staying in games is because we’ve been playing good on defense, and we’ve been a smart team and all those things.
“I want to be really careful about taking away from our strength and saying, ‘OK we’re not going to be able to do this, and we’re not going to be able to do that anymore because of financial reasons or something else.’ ”
“I like these guys. I appreciate everything that they’ve done,” Zimmer said of his roster. “We have to get better as a team. I think we have a good nucleus as a team. The offensive line improved, we saw receivers make great catches last year, some really tough contested catches. [Dalvin Cook], I think he’s going to be pretty darn good. Defensively, I think we can continue to get better.
“The one thing I told Rick was, I said look, we’ve had a good team, that’s why we’ve won 40 games. It’s not because we’ve had this one guy or that one guy,” Zimmer added. “Let’s make sure we keep understanding the team is why we have done good things.”
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“The most difficult part is not picking the right one,” Zimmer said. “If you pick the right one, if you go with the right one and he does like you anticipate, then everything is good, if you pick the wrong one, it’s hard to win in this league without a quarterback.
“If you pick the wrong one, this whole thing can go downhill,” Zimmer said.
with all this smoke I am pretty much convinced they decided to burn that abandoned long ship at winter park.
Full ESPN article about Zimmer and QB decision - Pick the wrong one and possibly gets fired.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22615158/minnesota-vikings-coach-mike-zimmer-says-pick-right-quarterback-probably-fired
Reading that article, I don't think its going to be Cousins. I think its either Teddy or Case.
@"Geoff Nichols" said: He also mentioned that Sam's been on a ski trip recently! I'm sure that's great for the knees.Either that or the knees are great.
@"NorthernCalVike" said: Reading that article, I don't think its going to be Cousins. I think its either Teddy or Case.i think its really hard to guess what direction they are headed right now... which is exactly what Rick and company want.
@"NorthernCalVike" said: Reading that article, I don't think its going to be Cousins. I think its either Teddy or Case.When asked if Keenum could repeat what he did in 2017, Zimmer responded, “You think he can, but it’s just kind of guessing.” Noted they had a good team around him. “Is he the guy that played for the Rams or is he the guy that played for us?”
Not exactly a vote of confidence. I can hear the OTA speech now. "Hey guys let's go win a Super Bowl!" Coach, is our QB any good? "We think so!!" ...but really we're just guessing. Now go get 'em."
If it is Case, then Zimmer is back to his old tough love treatment. Honestly, I doubt they've even decided yet.
Zimmer can say that but his defense crapped the bed in the most important game of the season. Is that because he played 4 DL over 66% of the snaps during the year. Philly only had one guy play that many snaps and rotated 9.
Let’s say the Vikings sign Richardson to a 4 yr 44 mil deal and extend Barr, Kendricks, and Hunter,
Here is how the cap hits could look with some of the current actual cap hits included for the 10 players on defense …
Barr – 4 yr 44 mil
Kendricks – 4 yr 37 mil
Hunter – 5 yr 70 mil
Richardson – 4 yr 44 mil
Player : 2018 : 2019 : 2020 : 2021 : 2022
Everson Griffen : $11,600,000 : $11,900,000 : $13,900,000 : $14,400,000 : $15,500,000
Linval Joseph : $8,050,000 : $10,700,000 : $13,300,000 : $12,450,000 : $12,500,000
Anthony Barr : $10,100,000 : $10,100,000 : $12,100,000 : $12,100,000
Eric Kendricks : $4,100,000 : $10,100,000 : $11,100,000 : $12,100,000
Xavier Rhodes : $13,400,000 : $13,400,000 : $12,900,000 : $14,150,000 : $13,850,000
Harrison Smith : $10,000,000 : $10,750,000 : $10,750,000 : $10,250,000
Trae Waynes : $4,118,663 : $9,000,000
Danielle Hunter : $6,100,000 : $14,100,000 : $15,100,000 : $17,100,000 : $18,100,000
Andrew Sendejo : $3,500,000 : $5,500,000
Sheldon Richardson : $5,100,000 : $11,100,000 : $14,100,000 : $14,100,000
Total : $76,068,663 : $106,650,000 : $103,250,000 : $106,650,000 : $59,950,000
This is without adding in Waynes extension.
You are looking at over 100 mil for the top 10 players on defense in 2019, 2020, & 2021.
Even if you just extend Tom Johnson (2 years 3 mil) and Stephen (2 years 2.5 mil) you still are pretty high for his defense.
It does not leave much for the offense.
Zimmer and Spielman is going to have to learn from Belichek and realize that sometimes you have to trade a good player that you just cannot afford.
Belichek did this with Jamie Collins and Chandler Jones.
Let's make sure we keep understanding the team is why we have done good things.Yeah, makes me think they aren't going to overspend for a QB.
@"MarkSP18" said: Zimmer can say that but his defense crapped the bed in the most important game of the season. Is that because he played 4 DL over 66% of the snaps during the year. Philly only had one guy play that many snaps and rotated 9.Let’s say the Vikings sign Richardson to a 4 yr 44 mil deal and extend Barr, Kendricks, and Hunter,
Here is how the cap hits could look with some of the current actual cap hits included for the 10 players on defense …Barr – 4 yr 44 mil
Kendricks – 4 yr 37 mil
Hunter – 5 yr 70 mil
Richardson – 4 yr 44 mil
Player : 2018 : 2019 : 2020 : 2021 : 2022
Everson Griffen : $11,600,000 : $11,900,000 : $13,900,000 : $14,400,000 : $15,500,000
Linval Joseph : $8,050,000 : $10,700,000 : $13,300,000 : $12,450,000 : $12,500,000
Anthony Barr : $10,100,000 : $10,100,000 : $12,100,000 : $12,100,000
Eric Kendricks : $4,100,000 : $10,100,000 : $11,100,000 : $12,100,000
Xavier Rhodes : $13,400,000 : $13,400,000 : $12,900,000 : $14,150,000 : $13,850,000
Harrison Smith : $10,000,000 : $10,750,000 : $10,750,000 : $10,250,000
Trae Waynes : $4,118,663 : $9,000,000
Danielle Hunter : $6,100,000 : $14,100,000 : $15,100,000 : $17,100,000 : $18,100,000
Andrew Sendejo : $3,500,000 : $5,500,000
Sheldon Richardson : $5,100,000 : $11,100,000 : $14,100,000 : $14,100,000
Total : $76,068,663 : $106,650,000 : $103,250,000 : $106,650,000 : $59,950,000
This is without adding in Waynes extension.
You are looking at over 100 mil for the top 10 players on defense in 2019, 2020, & 2021.
Even if you just extend Tom Johnson (2 years 3 mil) and Stephen (2 years 2.5 mil) you still are pretty high for his defense.
It does not leave much for the offense.
Zimmer and Spielman is going to have to learn from Belichek and realize that sometimes you have to trade a good player that you just cannot afford.
Belichek did this with Jamie Collins and Chandler Jones.
and belichek has the luxury of having lucked into one of the greatest QBs to play the game ( not to mention cheating like a mother fucker) . we dont have a brady on the shelf and paying cousins like he is brady wont afford us the same luxury as actually having a great QB would.
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"MarkSP18" said: Zimmer can say that but his defense crapped the bed in the most important game of the season. Is that because he played 4 DL over 66% of the snaps during the year. Philly only had one guy play that many snaps and rotated 9.Let’s say the Vikings sign Richardson to a 4 yr 44 mil deal and extend Barr, Kendricks, and Hunter,
Here is how the cap hits could look with some of the current actual cap hits included for the 10 players on defense …Barr – 4 yr 44 mil
Kendricks – 4 yr 37 mil
Hunter – 5 yr 70 mil
Richardson – 4 yr 44 mil
Player : 2018 : 2019 : 2020 : 2021 : 2022
Everson Griffen : $11,600,000 : $11,900,000 : $13,900,000 : $14,400,000 : $15,500,000
Linval Joseph : $8,050,000 : $10,700,000 : $13,300,000 : $12,450,000 : $12,500,000
Anthony Barr : $10,100,000 : $10,100,000 : $12,100,000 : $12,100,000
Eric Kendricks : $4,100,000 : $10,100,000 : $11,100,000 : $12,100,000
Xavier Rhodes : $13,400,000 : $13,400,000 : $12,900,000 : $14,150,000 : $13,850,000
Harrison Smith : $10,000,000 : $10,750,000 : $10,750,000 : $10,250,000
Trae Waynes : $4,118,663 : $9,000,000
Danielle Hunter : $6,100,000 : $14,100,000 : $15,100,000 : $17,100,000 : $18,100,000
Andrew Sendejo : $3,500,000 : $5,500,000
Sheldon Richardson : $5,100,000 : $11,100,000 : $14,100,000 : $14,100,000
Total : $76,068,663 : $106,650,000 : $103,250,000 : $106,650,000 : $59,950,000
This is without adding in Waynes extension.
You are looking at over 100 mil for the top 10 players on defense in 2019, 2020, & 2021.
Even if you just extend Tom Johnson (2 years 3 mil) and Stephen (2 years 2.5 mil) you still are pretty high for his defense.
It does not leave much for the offense.
Zimmer and Spielman is going to have to learn from Belichek and realize that sometimes you have to trade a good player that you just cannot afford.
Belichek did this with Jamie Collins and Chandler Jones.
and belichek has the luxury of having lucked into one of the greatest QBs to play the game ( not to mention cheating like a mother fucker) . we dont have a brady on the shelf and paying cousins like he is brady wont afford us the same luxury as actually having a great QB would.
And what does that have to do with paying everyone on the defense top dollar?Even if they could get one of the current QBs for around 18 to 20 mil it will be tight.
Diggs is going to get paid and then they will likely need to bump up Thielen.
The point is even stronger because the cheating lucky Patriots still did not pay their young defenders top dollar.
No reason not to if they follow the logic here.
"hard to win in this league without a QB" is what I take away, that and our D is pretty good. He wants a smart move on QB.
As a life-long fan, I want more than to win on average 10 games a year. I want a SB trophy. Not willing to sell out tomorrow for it, dont think we have to is the good thing.
I hope that get they get the QB right whoever it is. I am so tired of saying that over all these years since 2005.
Oh and it would be nice to add Richardson too :)
@"MarkSP18" said: Zimmer can say that but his defense crapped the bed in the most important game of the season. Is that because he played 4 DL over 66% of the snaps during the year. Philly only had one guy play that many snaps and rotated 9.Let’s say the Vikings sign Richardson to a 4 yr 44 mil deal and extend Barr, Kendricks, and Hunter,
Here is how the cap hits could look with some of the current actual cap hits included for the 10 players on defense …Barr – 4 yr 44 mil
Kendricks – 4 yr 37 mil
Hunter – 5 yr 70 mil
Richardson – 4 yr 44 mil
Player : 2018 : 2019 : 2020 : 2021 : 2022
Everson Griffen : $11,600,000 : $11,900,000 : $13,900,000 : $14,400,000 : $15,500,000
Linval Joseph : $8,050,000 : $10,700,000 : $13,300,000 : $12,450,000 : $12,500,000
Anthony Barr : $10,100,000 : $10,100,000 : $12,100,000 : $12,100,000
Eric Kendricks : $4,100,000 : $10,100,000 : $11,100,000 : $12,100,000
Xavier Rhodes : $13,400,000 : $13,400,000 : $12,900,000 : $14,150,000 : $13,850,000
Harrison Smith : $10,000,000 : $10,750,000 : $10,750,000 : $10,250,000
Trae Waynes : $4,118,663 : $9,000,000
Danielle Hunter : $6,100,000 : $14,100,000 : $15,100,000 : $17,100,000 : $18,100,000
Andrew Sendejo : $3,500,000 : $5,500,000
Sheldon Richardson : $5,100,000 : $11,100,000 : $14,100,000 : $14,100,000
Total : $76,068,663 : $106,650,000 : $103,250,000 : $106,650,000 : $59,950,000
This is without adding in Waynes extension.
You are looking at over 100 mil for the top 10 players on defense in 2019, 2020, & 2021.
Even if you just extend Tom Johnson (2 years 3 mil) and Stephen (2 years 2.5 mil) you still are pretty high for his defense.
It does not leave much for the offense.
Zimmer and Spielman is going to have to learn from Belichek and realize that sometimes you have to trade a good player that you just cannot afford.
Belichek did this with Jamie Collins and Chandler Jones.
Philly took Zimmer and his staff to the woodshed...Embarassingly out-coached and the players were disappointing as hell too. Damn that sucked.
@"MarkSP18" said: Zimmer can say that but his defense crapped the bed in the most important game of the season.
You make good points about the DL playing too much, but I just have to address this topic. The offense crapped the bed as well. The Pick 6 got Philly back into the game and fired up the crowd. The fumble enhanced that. The defense got beat, but they had absolutely no help from the offense in that game.
@"MarkSP18" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"MarkSP18" said: Zimmer can say that but his defense crapped the bed in the most important game of the season. Is that because he played 4 DL over 66% of the snaps during the year. Philly only had one guy play that many snaps and rotated 9.Let’s say the Vikings sign Richardson to a 4 yr 44 mil deal and extend Barr, Kendricks, and Hunter,
Here is how the cap hits could look with some of the current actual cap hits included for the 10 players on defense …Barr – 4 yr 44 mil
Kendricks – 4 yr 37 mil
Hunter – 5 yr 70 mil
Richardson – 4 yr 44 mil
Player : 2018 : 2019 : 2020 : 2021 : 2022
Everson Griffen : $11,600,000 : $11,900,000 : $13,900,000 : $14,400,000 : $15,500,000
Linval Joseph : $8,050,000 : $10,700,000 : $13,300,000 : $12,450,000 : $12,500,000
Anthony Barr : $10,100,000 : $10,100,000 : $12,100,000 : $12,100,000
Eric Kendricks : $4,100,000 : $10,100,000 : $11,100,000 : $12,100,000
Xavier Rhodes : $13,400,000 : $13,400,000 : $12,900,000 : $14,150,000 : $13,850,000
Harrison Smith : $10,000,000 : $10,750,000 : $10,750,000 : $10,250,000
Trae Waynes : $4,118,663 : $9,000,000
Danielle Hunter : $6,100,000 : $14,100,000 : $15,100,000 : $17,100,000 : $18,100,000
Andrew Sendejo : $3,500,000 : $5,500,000
Sheldon Richardson : $5,100,000 : $11,100,000 : $14,100,000 : $14,100,000
Total : $76,068,663 : $106,650,000 : $103,250,000 : $106,650,000 : $59,950,000
This is without adding in Waynes extension.
You are looking at over 100 mil for the top 10 players on defense in 2019, 2020, & 2021.
Even if you just extend Tom Johnson (2 years 3 mil) and Stephen (2 years 2.5 mil) you still are pretty high for his defense.
It does not leave much for the offense.
Zimmer and Spielman is going to have to learn from Belichek and realize that sometimes you have to trade a good player that you just cannot afford.
Belichek did this with Jamie Collins and Chandler Jones.
and belichek has the luxury of having lucked into one of the greatest QBs to play the game ( not to mention cheating like a mother fucker) . we dont have a brady on the shelf and paying cousins like he is brady wont afford us the same luxury as actually having a great QB would.
And what does that have to do with paying everyone on the defense top dollar?Even if they could get one of the current QBs for around 18 to 20 mil it will be tight.
Diggs is going to get paid and then they will likely need to bump up Thielen.
The point is even stronger because the cheating lucky Patriots still did not pay their young defenders top dollar.
No reason not to if they follow the logic here.
you are going to pay your strengths, the pats have the luxury of having a guy that can carry an offense and cover up for weakesses on D. we dont have that guy so in order to be competitive we have to pay more players top dollar for their market value. a player of bradys ability is so rare that to try and say that what the pats do is some sort of thing to model your team after is crazy. bradys talent is about once a generation, the rest of the team have to do what they can to keep up.
The Vikings decided a while back when they hired Zim that the team focus was going to be a strong D, the drafting has shown that effort and now we are having to pay for it. sooner or later we will hit on our franchise QB and we may be able to take shortcuts at other positions, but until then we need to try and do what we can to keep in the hunt.
the patriots paid somebody besides Tom, everybody has to spend within a % of the cap so its not like they arent spending their money. what is the breakdown on how their cap is allocated O vs D? how about in the past? doesnt it stand to reason that that ratio will move depending on the experience level of the players in that core? right now our D is at their prime and the cap allocation is showing that, in a few years ours could be tilted the other way as Diggs, Elf, Cook, and possibly others start to eat their share of the cap.
what happened to the faith in Brez to make it work?
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"MarkSP18" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"MarkSP18" said: Zimmer can say that but his defense crapped the bed in the most important game of the season. Is that because he played 4 DL over 66% of the snaps during the year. Philly only had one guy play that many snaps and rotated 9.Let’s say the Vikings sign Richardson to a 4 yr 44 mil deal and extend Barr, Kendricks, and Hunter,
Here is how the cap hits could look with some of the current actual cap hits included for the 10 players on defense …Barr – 4 yr 44 mil
Kendricks – 4 yr 37 mil
Hunter – 5 yr 70 mil
Richardson – 4 yr 44 mil
Player : 2018 : 2019 : 2020 : 2021 : 2022
Everson Griffen : $11,600,000 : $11,900,000 : $13,900,000 : $14,400,000 : $15,500,000
Linval Joseph : $8,050,000 : $10,700,000 : $13,300,000 : $12,450,000 : $12,500,000
Anthony Barr : $10,100,000 : $10,100,000 : $12,100,000 : $12,100,000
Eric Kendricks : $4,100,000 : $10,100,000 : $11,100,000 : $12,100,000
Xavier Rhodes : $13,400,000 : $13,400,000 : $12,900,000 : $14,150,000 : $13,850,000
Harrison Smith : $10,000,000 : $10,750,000 : $10,750,000 : $10,250,000
Trae Waynes : $4,118,663 : $9,000,000
Danielle Hunter : $6,100,000 : $14,100,000 : $15,100,000 : $17,100,000 : $18,100,000
Andrew Sendejo : $3,500,000 : $5,500,000
Sheldon Richardson : $5,100,000 : $11,100,000 : $14,100,000 : $14,100,000
Total : $76,068,663 : $106,650,000 : $103,250,000 : $106,650,000 : $59,950,000
This is without adding in Waynes extension.
You are looking at over 100 mil for the top 10 players on defense in 2019, 2020, & 2021.
Even if you just extend Tom Johnson (2 years 3 mil) and Stephen (2 years 2.5 mil) you still are pretty high for his defense.
It does not leave much for the offense.
Zimmer and Spielman is going to have to learn from Belichek and realize that sometimes you have to trade a good player that you just cannot afford.
Belichek did this with Jamie Collins and Chandler Jones.
and belichek has the luxury of having lucked into one of the greatest QBs to play the game ( not to mention cheating like a mother fucker) . we dont have a brady on the shelf and paying cousins like he is brady wont afford us the same luxury as actually having a great QB would.
And what does that have to do with paying everyone on the defense top dollar?Even if they could get one of the current QBs for around 18 to 20 mil it will be tight.
Diggs is going to get paid and then they will likely need to bump up Thielen.
The point is even stronger because the cheating lucky Patriots still did not pay their young defenders top dollar.
No reason not to if they follow the logic here.
you are going to pay your strengths, the pats have the luxury of having a guy that can carry an offense and cover up for weakesses on D. we dont have that guy so in order to be competitive we have to pay more players top dollar for their market value. a player of bradys ability is so rare that to try and say that what the pats do is some sort of thing to model your team after is crazy. bradys talent is about once a generation, the rest of the team have to do what they can to keep up.
The Vikings decided a while back when they hired Zim that the team focus was going to be a strong D, the drafting has shown that effort and now we are having to pay for it. sooner or later we will hit on our franchise QB and we may be able to take shortcuts at other positions, but until then we need to try and do what we can to keep in the hunt.
the patriots paid somebody besides Tom, everybody has to spend within a % of the cap so its not like they arent spending their money. what is the breakdown on how their cap is allocated O vs D? how about in the past? doesnt it stand to reason that that ratio will move depending on the experience level of the players in that core? right now our D is at their prime and the cap allocation is showing that, in a few years ours could be tilted the other way as Diggs, Elf, Cook, and possibly others start to eat their share of the cap.
what happened to the faith in Brez to make it work?
Come on dude. You are here all the time and know a lot! You do not need Brez to look at the current cap situation and how much the players are being paid on defense and then figure out what Barr, Kendricks, Hunter, and Waynes could get on their next deal.Add those amounts in any way you want (not too many available) and you are paying your top 9 defenders over 100 mil of the cap.
Sounds to me that you would rather pay all of the defenders top dollar and go the cheap route at QB.
Fair enough.
@"MarkSP18" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"MarkSP18" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"MarkSP18" said: Zimmer can say that but his defense crapped the bed in the most important game of the season. Is that because he played 4 DL over 66% of the snaps during the year. Philly only had one guy play that many snaps and rotated 9.Let’s say the Vikings sign Richardson to a 4 yr 44 mil deal and extend Barr, Kendricks, and Hunter,
Here is how the cap hits could look with some of the current actual cap hits included for the 10 players on defense …Barr – 4 yr 44 mil
Kendricks – 4 yr 37 mil
Hunter – 5 yr 70 mil
Richardson – 4 yr 44 mil
Player : 2018 : 2019 : 2020 : 2021 : 2022
Everson Griffen : $11,600,000 : $11,900,000 : $13,900,000 : $14,400,000 : $15,500,000
Linval Joseph : $8,050,000 : $10,700,000 : $13,300,000 : $12,450,000 : $12,500,000
Anthony Barr : $10,100,000 : $10,100,000 : $12,100,000 : $12,100,000
Eric Kendricks : $4,100,000 : $10,100,000 : $11,100,000 : $12,100,000
Xavier Rhodes : $13,400,000 : $13,400,000 : $12,900,000 : $14,150,000 : $13,850,000
Harrison Smith : $10,000,000 : $10,750,000 : $10,750,000 : $10,250,000
Trae Waynes : $4,118,663 : $9,000,000
Danielle Hunter : $6,100,000 : $14,100,000 : $15,100,000 : $17,100,000 : $18,100,000
Andrew Sendejo : $3,500,000 : $5,500,000
Sheldon Richardson : $5,100,000 : $11,100,000 : $14,100,000 : $14,100,000
Total : $76,068,663 : $106,650,000 : $103,250,000 : $106,650,000 : $59,950,000
This is without adding in Waynes extension.
You are looking at over 100 mil for the top 10 players on defense in 2019, 2020, & 2021.
Even if you just extend Tom Johnson (2 years 3 mil) and Stephen (2 years 2.5 mil) you still are pretty high for his defense.
It does not leave much for the offense.
Zimmer and Spielman is going to have to learn from Belichek and realize that sometimes you have to trade a good player that you just cannot afford.
Belichek did this with Jamie Collins and Chandler Jones.
and belichek has the luxury of having lucked into one of the greatest QBs to play the game ( not to mention cheating like a mother fucker) . we dont have a brady on the shelf and paying cousins like he is brady wont afford us the same luxury as actually having a great QB would.
And what does that have to do with paying everyone on the defense top dollar?Even if they could get one of the current QBs for around 18 to 20 mil it will be tight.
Diggs is going to get paid and then they will likely need to bump up Thielen.
The point is even stronger because the cheating lucky Patriots still did not pay their young defenders top dollar.
No reason not to if they follow the logic here.
you are going to pay your strengths, the pats have the luxury of having a guy that can carry an offense and cover up for weakesses on D. we dont have that guy so in order to be competitive we have to pay more players top dollar for their market value. a player of bradys ability is so rare that to try and say that what the pats do is some sort of thing to model your team after is crazy. bradys talent is about once a generation, the rest of the team have to do what they can to keep up.
The Vikings decided a while back when they hired Zim that the team focus was going to be a strong D, the drafting has shown that effort and now we are having to pay for it. sooner or later we will hit on our franchise QB and we may be able to take shortcuts at other positions, but until then we need to try and do what we can to keep in the hunt.
the patriots paid somebody besides Tom, everybody has to spend within a % of the cap so its not like they arent spending their money. what is the breakdown on how their cap is allocated O vs D? how about in the past? doesnt it stand to reason that that ratio will move depending on the experience level of the players in that core? right now our D is at their prime and the cap allocation is showing that, in a few years ours could be tilted the other way as Diggs, Elf, Cook, and possibly others start to eat their share of the cap.
what happened to the faith in Brez to make it work?
Come on dude. You are here all the time and know a lot! You do not need Brez to look at the current cap situation and how much the players are being paid on defense and then figure out what Barr, Kendricks, Hunter, and Waynes could get on their next deal.Add those amounts in any way you want (not too many available) and you are paying your top 9 defenders over 100 mil of the cap.
Sounds to me that you would rather pay all of the defenders top dollar and go the cheap route at QB.
Fair enough.
I want to pay the top players ( regardless of what side of the ball) top dollar. I dont view cousins as a top player so I do not agree with paying him top dollar. I am not saying go "cheap" at QB, I am saying get value at every position. If we overpay even a few million to any position that isnt generating at the level that we are paying then this house of cards comes crashing down.... it likely will at some point anyway, but no need to hasten the failure by adding players at wages above their level of contribution. I honestly have nothing against cousins, except that I think he is being way overvalued. yes a top level QB can generate the results that merit that pay, but this is getting stupid when you look at performance of some of these high dollar guys vs what the cheap ones are returning. (this again though goes for all positions)
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"MarkSP18" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"MarkSP18" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"MarkSP18" said: Zimmer can say that but his defense crapped the bed in the most important game of the season. Is that because he played 4 DL over 66% of the snaps during the year. Philly only had one guy play that many snaps and rotated 9.Let’s say the Vikings sign Richardson to a 4 yr 44 mil deal and extend Barr, Kendricks, and Hunter,
Here is how the cap hits could look with some of the current actual cap hits included for the 10 players on defense …Barr – 4 yr 44 mil
Kendricks – 4 yr 37 mil
Hunter – 5 yr 70 mil
Richardson – 4 yr 44 mil
Player : 2018 : 2019 : 2020 : 2021 : 2022
Everson Griffen : $11,600,000 : $11,900,000 : $13,900,000 : $14,400,000 : $15,500,000
Linval Joseph : $8,050,000 : $10,700,000 : $13,300,000 : $12,450,000 : $12,500,000
Anthony Barr : $10,100,000 : $10,100,000 : $12,100,000 : $12,100,000
Eric Kendricks : $4,100,000 : $10,100,000 : $11,100,000 : $12,100,000
Xavier Rhodes : $13,400,000 : $13,400,000 : $12,900,000 : $14,150,000 : $13,850,000
Harrison Smith : $10,000,000 : $10,750,000 : $10,750,000 : $10,250,000
Trae Waynes : $4,118,663 : $9,000,000
Danielle Hunter : $6,100,000 : $14,100,000 : $15,100,000 : $17,100,000 : $18,100,000
Andrew Sendejo : $3,500,000 : $5,500,000
Sheldon Richardson : $5,100,000 : $11,100,000 : $14,100,000 : $14,100,000
Total : $76,068,663 : $106,650,000 : $103,250,000 : $106,650,000 : $59,950,000
This is without adding in Waynes extension.
You are looking at over 100 mil for the top 10 players on defense in 2019, 2020, & 2021.
Even if you just extend Tom Johnson (2 years 3 mil) and Stephen (2 years 2.5 mil) you still are pretty high for his defense.
It does not leave much for the offense.
Zimmer and Spielman is going to have to learn from Belichek and realize that sometimes you have to trade a good player that you just cannot afford.
Belichek did this with Jamie Collins and Chandler Jones.
and belichek has the luxury of having lucked into one of the greatest QBs to play the game ( not to mention cheating like a mother fucker) . we dont have a brady on the shelf and paying cousins like he is brady wont afford us the same luxury as actually having a great QB would.
And what does that have to do with paying everyone on the defense top dollar?Even if they could get one of the current QBs for around 18 to 20 mil it will be tight.
Diggs is going to get paid and then they will likely need to bump up Thielen.
The point is even stronger because the cheating lucky Patriots still did not pay their young defenders top dollar.
No reason not to if they follow the logic here.
you are going to pay your strengths, the pats have the luxury of having a guy that can carry an offense and cover up for weakesses on D. we dont have that guy so in order to be competitive we have to pay more players top dollar for their market value. a player of bradys ability is so rare that to try and say that what the pats do is some sort of thing to model your team after is crazy. bradys talent is about once a generation, the rest of the team have to do what they can to keep up.
The Vikings decided a while back when they hired Zim that the team focus was going to be a strong D, the drafting has shown that effort and now we are having to pay for it. sooner or later we will hit on our franchise QB and we may be able to take shortcuts at other positions, but until then we need to try and do what we can to keep in the hunt.
the patriots paid somebody besides Tom, everybody has to spend within a % of the cap so its not like they arent spending their money. what is the breakdown on how their cap is allocated O vs D? how about in the past? doesnt it stand to reason that that ratio will move depending on the experience level of the players in that core? right now our D is at their prime and the cap allocation is showing that, in a few years ours could be tilted the other way as Diggs, Elf, Cook, and possibly others start to eat their share of the cap.
what happened to the faith in Brez to make it work?
Come on dude. You are here all the time and know a lot! You do not need Brez to look at the current cap situation and how much the players are being paid on defense and then figure out what Barr, Kendricks, Hunter, and Waynes could get on their next deal.Add those amounts in any way you want (not too many available) and you are paying your top 9 defenders over 100 mil of the cap.
Sounds to me that you would rather pay all of the defenders top dollar and go the cheap route at QB.
Fair enough.
I want to pay the top players ( regardless of what side of the ball) top dollar. I dont view cousins as a top player so I do not agree with paying him top dollar. I am not saying go "cheap" at QB, I am saying get value at every position. If we overpay even a few million to any position that isnt generating at the level that we are paying then this house of cards comes crashing down.... it likely will at some point anyway, but no need to hasten the failure by adding players at wages above their level of contribution. I honestly have nothing against cousins, except that I think he is being way overvalued. yes a top level QB can generate the results that merit that pay, but this is getting stupid when you look at performance of some of these high dollar guys vs what the cheap ones are returning. (this again though goes for all positions)
Fair enough. But it is getting very close to not being able to pay everyone on the defensive side of the ball.
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