A little context on Zimmer's QB comments

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Purplewhizz" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"StickyBun" said: I'm all in on whatever, I've said this from Day One, but if Zimmer isn't interested in trying to get a top QB because he's concerned about 'defensive talent' and how a QB would impact that salary cap-wise, the team will only ever be so good. It will be limited. Bridesmaids forever. 

Its a freakin' QBs league in the NFL. He can quote all the stats he wants, but the only stat that counts is a complete ass kicking in a NFC Championship game and a 1-2 record in the playoffs. Let's not be the Kansas City Chiefs.

But what if he doesn't think Cousins is a "top" QB? 

Honestly Geoff, I guess I'll get behind it and hope for the best, what choice do I have? But how can I trust that Zimmer wants the 'top' QB when he's already said he just wants a QB that won't mess with his defensive talent? He wants a game manager, somebody that doesn't create a lot of turnovers. That gets you decent regular seasons but disappointing post seasons. I want a killer mentality. Zimmer talks and thinks like a glorified defensive coordinator, not a HC.

Welcome to Minneapolis, the Kansas City of the North.

I think part of his trouble is he dependence on listening to Parcells.  The game has changed a great deal since Parcells coached. 

Now when was the last time he said anything about going to Parcells for advice?

Holy shit it's amazing how fast people want to throw Zim under the bus.  And for those that don't think his input is valuable in finding a QB,  who the hell do you think he watches on film all the time to see how to build his great defenses?  He studies QBs and likely has more input on their weaknesses and tendencies than a lot of offensive minds.

I think what he is saying is being taken out of context,  if a brady or rogers was the one wanting 30 million then I doubt he is talking about the cap implications,  bit it's not,  the rumored 30 mill guy isn't even close to them.  Same goes for over paying keenum,  if he's looking for north of 15 he's nuts as well.

@"greediron" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Purplewhizz" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"StickyBun" said: I'm all in on whatever, I've said this from Day One, but if Zimmer isn't interested in trying to get a top QB because he's concerned about 'defensive talent' and how a QB would impact that salary cap-wise, the team will only ever be so good. It will be limited. Bridesmaids forever. 

Its a freakin' QBs league in the NFL. He can quote all the stats he wants, but the only stat that counts is a complete ass kicking in a NFC Championship game and a 1-2 record in the playoffs. Let's not be the Kansas City Chiefs.

But what if he doesn't think Cousins is a "top" QB? 

Honestly Geoff, I guess I'll get behind it and hope for the best, what choice do I have? But how can I trust that Zimmer wants the 'top' QB when he's already said he just wants a QB that won't mess with his defensive talent? He wants a game manager, somebody that doesn't create a lot of turnovers. That gets you decent regular seasons but disappointing post seasons. I want a killer mentality. Zimmer talks and thinks like a glorified defensive coordinator, not a HC.

Welcome to Minneapolis, the Kansas City of the North.

I think part of his trouble is he dependence on listening to Parcells.  The game has changed a great deal since Parcells coached. 

Now when was the last time he said anything about going to Parcells for advice?

Holy shit it's amazing how fast people want to throw Zim under the bus.  And for those that don't think his input is valuable in finding a QB,  who the hell do you think he watches on film all the time to see how to build his great defenses?  He studies QBs and likely has more input on their weaknesses and tendencies than a lot of offensive minds.

I think what he is saying is being taken out of context,  if a brady or rogers was the one wanting 30 million then I doubt he is talking about the cap implications,  bit it's not,  the rumored 30 mill guy isn't even close to them.  Same goes for over paying keenum,  if he's looking for north of 15 he's nuts as well.

It is freaking crazy.  All the people calling for his job a year ago, then hopping on the bandwagon for the excellent 2017 season and now ready to cut bait again. 

This guy gets paid to coach and we are internet experts.  So I will go with his expertise over the hot takes on here.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Purplewhizz" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"StickyBun" said: I'm all in on whatever, I've said this from Day One, but if Zimmer isn't interested in trying to get a top QB because he's concerned about 'defensive talent' and how a QB would impact that salary cap-wise, the team will only ever be so good. It will be limited. Bridesmaids forever. 

Its a freakin' QBs league in the NFL. He can quote all the stats he wants, but the only stat that counts is a complete ass kicking in a NFC Championship game and a 1-2 record in the playoffs. Let's not be the Kansas City Chiefs.

But what if he doesn't think Cousins is a "top" QB? 

Honestly Geoff, I guess I'll get behind it and hope for the best, what choice do I have? But how can I trust that Zimmer wants the 'top' QB when he's already said he just wants a QB that won't mess with his defensive talent? He wants a game manager, somebody that doesn't create a lot of turnovers. That gets you decent regular seasons but disappointing post seasons. I want a killer mentality. Zimmer talks and thinks like a glorified defensive coordinator, not a HC.

Welcome to Minneapolis, the Kansas City of the North.

I think part of his trouble is he dependence on listening to Parcells.  The game has changed a great deal since Parcells coached. 

Now when was the last time he said anything about going to Parcells for advice?

Holy shit it's amazing how fast people want to throw Zim under the bus.  And for those that don't think his input is valuable in finding a QB,  who the hell do you think he watches on film all the time to see how to build his great defenses?  He studies QBs and likely has more input on their weaknesses and tendencies than a lot of offensive minds.

I think what he is saying is being taken out of context,  if a brady or rogers was the one wanting 30 million then I doubt he is talking about the cap implications,  bit it's not,  the rumored 30 mill guy isn't even close to them.  Same goes for over paying keenum,  if he's looking for north of 15 he's nuts as well.

It is freaking crazy.  All the people calling for his job a year ago, then hopping on the bandwagon for the excellent 2017 season and now ready to cut bait again. 

This guy gets paid to coach and we are internet experts.  So I will go with his expertise over the hot takes on here.

maybe they miss waiting for the tape to get checked....  IMO Zim is the best HC we've had since maybe Burns and the main reason I like Jerry was the fire in his belly but could still find humor in situations.  I think Denny did some good things,  but I didnt think much of him as a person.  Tice was jovial and I loved that a former player got to be a HC, but damn I used to scream at the radio when I would listen to his fireside chats mid week where he would lay out the game plan over the air.  Chilly was what he was,  needed at the time to change the culture,  but not a long term type of guy.  I like Zims approach and hope he can be here a long time.

So the performance the last 6 quarters of his Number #1 ranked Defense with a historically great 3rd Down success rate deserves a pass because he's clearly a much better coach than anyone Minnesota has had in a while? 

The talk yesterday about not improving that Offense too much at the expense of the Defense rankled a lot of us.

And we have every right to be concerned. 38-7. Yet another disastrous performance in a Championship Game. Rather than coming out and saying he now sees the need for balance instead of continuing to funnel 80% of the resources into the Defense he says the exact opposite.

How are we supposed to feel about that? His best Defense as a HC wasn't good enough. The Offense was pathetic. But let's not mess with the status quo? 

Sorry. You're both good folk but that was an incredibly tone deaf thing for Mike to say when he's still got a hurting fan base. And alarming since it makes him sound like the Eagles game was an aberration and not something he can learn from.

The defense has to get better to be considered a Championship level D.  Clearly the lack of pass rush against good offensive teams in the playoffs were noticible by everyone watching the game.  Don't you think Zimmer noticed that also?

Zim knows better than anyone the areas the team needs to improve on; both on offense and defense.

@"FSUVike" said: So the performance the last 6 quarters of his Number #1 ranked Defense with a historically great 3rd Down success rate deserves a pass because he's clearly a much better coach than anyone Minnesota has had in a while? 

The talk yesterday about not improving that Offense too much at the expense of the Defense rankled a lot of us.

And we have every right to be concerned. 38-7. Yet another disastrous performance in a Championship Game. Rather than coming out and saying he now sees the need for balance instead of continuing to funnel 80% of the resources into the Defense he says the exact opposite.

How are we supposed to feel about that? His best Defense as a HC wasn't good enough. The Offense was pathetic. But let's not mess with the status quo? 

Sorry. You're both good folk but that was an incredibly tone deaf thing for Mike to say when he's still got a hurting fan base. And alarming since it makes him sound like the Eagles game was an aberration and not something he can learn from.

Not wanting to overpay for an average QB?  He talked about team, not defense.  He said we were good because we were a team, not because of one player.  That doesn't mean they aren't going to spend for a QB.  He said he wants to find the RIGHT QB, not just pay lots of money for any QB. 

@"FSUVike" said: So the performance the last 6 quarters of his Number #1 ranked Defense with a historically great 3rd Down success rate deserves a pass because he's clearly a much better coach than anyone Minnesota has had in a while? 

The talk yesterday about not improving that Offense too much at the expense of the Defense rankled a lot of us.

And we have every right to be concerned. 38-7. Yet another disastrous performance in a Championship Game. Rather than coming out and saying he now sees the need for balance instead of continuing to funnel 80% of the resources into the Defense he says the exact opposite.

How are we supposed to feel about that? His best Defense as a HC wasn't good enough. The Offense was pathetic. But let's not mess with the status quo? 

Sorry. You're both good folk but that was an incredibly tone deaf thing for Mike to say when he's still got a hurting fan base. And alarming since it makes him sound like the Eagles game was an aberration and not something he can learn from.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"FSUVike" said: So the performance the last 6 quarters of his Number #1 ranked Defense with a historically great 3rd Down success rate deserves a pass because he's clearly a much better coach than anyone Minnesota has had in a while? 

The talk yesterday about not improving that Offense too much at the expense of the Defense rankled a lot of us.

And we have every right to be concerned. 38-7. Yet another disastrous performance in a Championship Game. Rather than coming out and saying he now sees the need for balance instead of continuing to funnel 80% of the resources into the Defense he says the exact opposite.

How are we supposed to feel about that? His best Defense as a HC wasn't good enough. The Offense was pathetic. But let's not mess with the status quo? 

Sorry. You're both good folk but that was an incredibly tone deaf thing for Mike to say when he's still got a hurting fan base. And alarming since it makes him sound like the Eagles game was an aberration and not something he can learn from.

i think some want to be angry so they will read into stuff in search of something that will feed their fire.  i didnt read it as him not wanting to spend on the O or saying that his only priority is the D,  he is saying that the cap is getting tighter and we need to be more prudent with our spending... which I completely agree with.  They will get the most bang for their buck regardless of what side of the ball its on.  they werent shy last year about spending on the O in both FA and Draft so why the  hand wringing now?

@"greediron" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"FSUVike" said: So the performance the last 6 quarters of his Number #1 ranked Defense with a historically great 3rd Down success rate deserves a pass because he's clearly a much better coach than anyone Minnesota has had in a while? 

The talk yesterday about not improving that Offense too much at the expense of the Defense rankled a lot of us.

And we have every right to be concerned. 38-7. Yet another disastrous performance in a Championship Game. Rather than coming out and saying he now sees the need for balance instead of continuing to funnel 80% of the resources into the Defense he says the exact opposite.

How are we supposed to feel about that? His best Defense as a HC wasn't good enough. The Offense was pathetic. But let's not mess with the status quo? 

Sorry. You're both good folk but that was an incredibly tone deaf thing for Mike to say when he's still got a hurting fan base. And alarming since it makes him sound like the Eagles game was an aberration and not something he can learn from.

i think some want to be angry so they will read into stuff in search of something that will feed their fire.  i didnt read it as him not wanting to spend on the O or saying that his only priority is the D,  he is saying that the cap is getting tighter and we need to be more prudent with our spending... which I completely agree with.  They will get the most bang for their buck regardless of what side of the ball its on.  they werent shy last year about spending on the O in both FA and Draft so why the  hand wringing now?

Yep, they had a plan, targeted certain upgrades and paid well for them.  They didn't overspend on names, they overspent on solid additions.

@"HappyViking" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: The new OC is going to have a lot of say in this as is RS...My hope is that the very transparent Zimmer (he is a bad liar in public) is being a great poker player. Frankly it seemed appropriate timing for Zimmer or RS to throw a little water on all the Cousins to Vikings fires. 

That said, I am becoming concerned we got an old school coach who wont ever get to the big game by being just fine with average to good on offense. North titles dont cut it for this fan. 

I will be watching to see how his D evolves this season as well. It's officially and publicly be been exposed and humiliated. 

PF, back in September, did you expect the Vikings to win the SB?  How about a couple weeks later after losing both Bradford and Cook, did you expect to see them even make the playoffs? 

Zim got his team to the NFCC game with very key pieces of the team missing, and it's not enough for a fan like you?  Come on...

@"FSUVike" said: So the performance the last 6 quarters of his Number #1 ranked Defense with a historically great 3rd Down success rate deserves a pass because he's clearly a much better coach than anyone Minnesota has had in a while? 

The talk yesterday about not improving that Offense too much at the expense of the Defense rankled a lot of us.

And we have every right to be concerned. 38-7. Yet another disastrous performance in a Championship Game. Rather than coming out and saying he now sees the need for balance instead of continuing to funnel 80% of the resources into the Defense he says the exact opposite.

How are we supposed to feel about that? His best Defense as a HC wasn't good enough. The Offense was pathetic. But let's not mess with the status quo? 

Sorry. You're both good folk but that was an incredibly tone deaf thing for Mike to say when he's still got a hurting fan base. And alarming since it makes him sound like the Eagles game was an aberration and not something he can learn from.

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@"purplefaithful" said:

@"FSUVike" said: So the performance the last 6 quarters of his Number #1 ranked Defense with a historically great 3rd Down success rate deserves a pass because he's clearly a much better coach than anyone Minnesota has had in a while? 

The talk yesterday about not improving that Offense too much at the expense of the Defense rankled a lot of us.

And we have every right to be concerned. 38-7. Yet another disastrous performance in a Championship Game. Rather than coming out and saying he now sees the need for balance instead of continuing to funnel 80% of the resources into the Defense he says the exact opposite.

How are we supposed to feel about that? His best Defense as a HC wasn't good enough. The Offense was pathetic. But let's not mess with the status quo? 

Sorry. You're both good folk but that was an incredibly tone deaf thing for Mike to say when he's still got a hurting fan base. And alarming since it makes him sound like the Eagles game was an aberration and not something he can learn from.

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