The buzz seems to say Teddy
Take it for what it's worth. I don't think any of these guys know any more than the rest of us, but in Googling the latest chatter on Vikings' QB debate, there's definitely a buzz in the media that the Vikings may be leaning toward Teddy....
NFL Update@MySportsUpdateExecutives around the league expect the #Vikings to give QB Teddy Bridgewater a short term and incentive based “prove it” type deal this offseason. They have not come to a conclusion on what they’ll do with Case Keenum.
Back in November, Over The Cap’s Jason Fitzgerald said he could see the Vikings giving Bridgewater a short-term contract this offseason worth, “between $6 million and $7 million a year plus incentives.” He also mentioned Minnesota probably will not fight to toll the quarterback’s current deal if it ends up looking like something that requires the NFLPA to get involved.
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http://www.mankatofreepress.com/opinion/columns/courrier-odds-are-bridgewater-will-be-vikings-next-qb/article_3922c0ee-0d3f-11e8-a822-2f12c85c0117.html
Odds are Bridgewater will be the Vikings' next QB
"Teddy Bridgewater 3/1: For whatever reason, Bridgewater seems to be the favored choice of Vikings' management and players."
Case was 5/1. Sam 100/1. Cousins 10/1
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http://www.vikings.com/news/article-1/Spielman-Vikings-Want-to-Find-Long-Term-Solution-at-Quarterback/2d2fb471-370e-42a5-83c2-0021bd971d98
“Every player is unique and special, but Teddy … I’ve been inspired with how he’s come back from this injury and how he kept his head high throughout,” Wilf said. “It shows a lot of leadership and character.
“We knew that before the injury, and we saw it even more in the last year and a half,” Wilf added. “Great individual, and we’re proud and inspired with how he’s come back.”
Added Spielman: “I think he’s worked extremely hard and been an inspiration. Just to see him out there practicing every day, you see him getting more and more comfortable.”
In a 20-minute session with reporters, Spielman acknowledged the unique quarterback situations the Vikings have navigated in recent seasons.
Because of that, Spielman said, building plenty of depth will also be an offseason priority along with figuring out who the starter will be. The Vikings have already checked one box off their list as they hired John DeFilippo as the team;s new Offensive Coordinator on Friday morning.
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“Regardless of who the quarterback is, we have planned for this two years back,” Spielman said. “We don’t just start planning for this year on our cap. There’s a process in place for everything we do, and it’s done very thoroughly, and it’s also is looking out into the future.
“Knowing as these players develop and become good players you don’t want to lose, we’re targeting guys … two years from now, we’re going to have to pay this guy,” Spielman added. “I never want to get into the mode of ‘All-in this year,’ because I don’t want to start back over again. It’s always looking to not only put the best plan on the field this year, but also can we keep these players for year after year?”
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https://247sports.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/Bolt/Teddy-Bridgewater-has-won-the-team-over-with-Minnesota-Vikings-114731175
Wide receiver Jarius Wright joined 1500ESPN at radio row during Super Bowl week in Minneapolis and endorsed Bridgewater as a guy that can start and get the job done for the team as they continue their elusive pursuit of a championship.
“Me personally, I’m a Teddy fan,” Wright said on the Mackey and Judd program. “That’s one of my good buddies on and off the field. The guy still has a lot of football left in him. When the injury first happened, you didn’t know if he would play again, but after seeing him now and just talking to him and seeing how bad he wants to be on the field, how bad he wants to play, I think he’s ready to go and I know for sure he could start.”
“The guy is a winner,” Wright said. “You can’t coach winning. Go back and look from high school to college. I know I wasn’t expecting Louisville to be a great team at that time. Teddy comes in to Louisville…they had great years when he was there. They made it to a BCS bowl game when he was there and beat a pretty good Florida team. After you see the licks he took that one game and see how he continued to lead his team, you like him then. But then you get him on your team and see what kind of guy he is, then you learn to love him.”
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@"Zanary" said: The horse is gonna get beaten into the ground until the QB situation gets addressed. That will be a nice, big, shiny distraction from this discussion...but inevitably lead to more armchair coaching/managing until preseason at least.Ah, fandom.
its like we've somehow traveled this path before.... like deja vu all over again.
@"JimmyinSD" said:Until Teddy puts the numbers up that Keenum did this year what your saying is a joke...it's all just speculation. Teddy could have promise, but are we willing to take a year to find that out. Or maybe his knee doesn't last the season...All unknowns not fact.you are comparing a qb in a norv offense in his second year in the league to a qb in a hybrid offense in his 5th (?) year in the league. its absurd to think that Teddy was anywhere near a finished product or to say that Sam didnt have a better supporting cast (minus the OL) than Teddy. to try and compare the two situations is absurd as trying to compare what Sam did in 16 to what Case did in 17. thats what makes all this such a joke as none of us really have any idea of what to expect out of any of the 3.edit: And probably every morning while drinking their coffee Zim,Rick and Flip read these QB topics and about piss their pants laughing. :p
@"greediron" said: Love the cherry picking of stats.Teddy QBed his team to a NFCN title and the playoffs in his second year professionally.
But that was about the team and Adrian. But Adrian sucked and was a one trick pony and Norv sucked but Teddy held the offense back.
Case led his team to the #2 seed and a bye in the playoffs and was magical or just a system QB depending on who you ask.
Sam changed teams/offenses right before the season and was a miracle worker and set records yet he didn't win. But he had an awful line with injuries galore.
So there, we have it on the table. Pick your excuses, figure out what stats you want to cherry pick to concoct your opinion. There is plenty of data here for everyone to pick some random player or stat that will bolster your "facts". Get here early to use the best ones before they are beaten like a dead horse.
Totally agree. To this, I would only say that I have no dog in this race. I've said it a hundred times before and I'll say it a hundred times again. I'm not team-Teddy, team-Sam or team-Case, or team-Kirk. I'm team-Vikings. And what I want more than anything else is the Vikings to make their decision with time and carefully deliberation of CONTEXT and supporting cast. And if they do that--and I feel confident that they will--then I will be happy with whom they choose.
Those who know me know that I've been pounding the supporting-cast drum beat LONG before this season. I've been saying for years that the failure of NFL front offices to adequately factor in supporting cast and context (line, injuries, scheme, continuity) in their evaluation of players is the #1 reason why they continue to make ridiculously bad decisions, especially with QBs, whether it's Randall Cunningtham, Matt Cassel or Jake Delhomme or Nick Foles or Marc Bulger.
I'm not saying I could do any better. But I want the Vikings to do better.
@"Norse" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:Until Teddy puts the numbers up that Keenum did this year what your saying is a joke...it's all just speculation. Teddy could have promise, but are we willing to take a year to find that out. Or maybe his knee doesn't last the season...All unknowns not fact.you are comparing a qb in a norv offense in his second year in the league to a qb in a hybrid offense in his 5th (?) year in the league. its absurd to think that Teddy was anywhere near a finished product or to say that Sam didnt have a better supporting cast (minus the OL) than Teddy. to try and compare the two situations is absurd as trying to compare what Sam did in 16 to what Case did in 17. thats what makes all this such a joke as none of us really have any idea of what to expect out of any of the 3.edit: And probably every morning while drinking their coffee Zim,Rick and Flip read these QB topics and about piss their pants laughing. :p
Wtf are you talking about? All I said was their situations were so different that they can't be compared. Has nothing to do with cases numbers this year or any other year.
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Norse" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:Until Teddy puts the numbers up that Keenum did this year what your saying is a joke...it's all just speculation. Teddy could have promise, but are we willing to take a year to find that out. Or maybe his knee doesn't last the season...All unknowns not fact.you are comparing a qb in a norv offense in his second year in the league to a qb in a hybrid offense in his 5th (?) year in the league. its absurd to think that Teddy was anywhere near a finished product or to say that Sam didnt have a better supporting cast (minus the OL) than Teddy. to try and compare the two situations is absurd as trying to compare what Sam did in 16 to what Case did in 17. thats what makes all this such a joke as none of us really have any idea of what to expect out of any of the 3.edit: And probably every morning while drinking their coffee Zim,Rick and Flip read these QB topics and about piss their pants laughing. :p
Wtf are you talking about? All I said was their situations were so different that they can't be compared. Has nothing to do with cases numbers this year or any other year.
Teddy would beat Case out for the job and you would have 20+ million stuck into a non producing spot that could better be spent on improving an already weak spot like OG or 3T
There are going to be some real Debbie Downers around here when the starting QB is picked, some I told you so's, and some like me who will be too confuzzled to know how to feel.
Of this I'm sure--no matter who is picked he will have the weight of the Viking world on his shoulders.
I'll state this clearly:
if the resulting QB gets this team past its various postseason curses, I'm all for whatever they pay him.
@"Norse" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Norse" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:Until Teddy puts the numbers up that Keenum did this year what your saying is a joke...it's all just speculation. Teddy could have promise, but are we willing to take a year to find that out. Or maybe his knee doesn't last the season...All unknowns not fact.you are comparing a qb in a norv offense in his second year in the league to a qb in a hybrid offense in his 5th (?) year in the league. its absurd to think that Teddy was anywhere near a finished product or to say that Sam didnt have a better supporting cast (minus the OL) than Teddy. to try and compare the two situations is absurd as trying to compare what Sam did in 16 to what Case did in 17. thats what makes all this such a joke as none of us really have any idea of what to expect out of any of the 3.edit: And probably every morning while drinking their coffee Zim,Rick and Flip read these QB topics and about piss their pants laughing. :p
Wtf are you talking about? All I said was their situations were so different that they can't be compared. Has nothing to do with cases numbers this year or any other year.
Teddy would beat Case out for the job and you would have 20+ million stuck into a non producing spot that could better be spent on improving an already weak spot like OG or 3T
And until they have a head to head competition your dismissing teddy based on his performance 2 years ago is just as laughable and you assuming Case would win the job is just as speculative.
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Norse" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Norse" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:Until Teddy puts the numbers up that Keenum did this year what your saying is a joke...it's all just speculation. Teddy could have promise, but are we willing to take a year to find that out. Or maybe his knee doesn't last the season...All unknowns not fact.you are comparing a qb in a norv offense in his second year in the league to a qb in a hybrid offense in his 5th (?) year in the league. its absurd to think that Teddy was anywhere near a finished product or to say that Sam didnt have a better supporting cast (minus the OL) than Teddy. to try and compare the two situations is absurd as trying to compare what Sam did in 16 to what Case did in 17. thats what makes all this such a joke as none of us really have any idea of what to expect out of any of the 3.edit: And probably every morning while drinking their coffee Zim,Rick and Flip read these QB topics and about piss their pants laughing. :p
Wtf are you talking about? All I said was their situations were so different that they can't be compared. Has nothing to do with cases numbers this year or any other year.
Teddy would beat Case out for the job and you would have 20+ million stuck into a non producing spot that could better be spent on improving an already weak spot like OG or 3T
And until they have a head to head competition your dismissing teddy based on his performance 2 years ago is just as laughable and you assuming Case would win the job is just as speculative.
If we retain Case why would he lose his job? Case didn't give Teddy a chance this year did he?
@"Norse" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Norse" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Norse" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:Until Teddy puts the numbers up that Keenum did this year what your saying is a joke...it's all just speculation. Teddy could have promise, but are we willing to take a year to find that out. Or maybe his knee doesn't last the season...All unknowns not fact.you are comparing a qb in a norv offense in his second year in the league to a qb in a hybrid offense in his 5th (?) year in the league. its absurd to think that Teddy was anywhere near a finished product or to say that Sam didnt have a better supporting cast (minus the OL) than Teddy. to try and compare the two situations is absurd as trying to compare what Sam did in 16 to what Case did in 17. thats what makes all this such a joke as none of us really have any idea of what to expect out of any of the 3.edit: And probably every morning while drinking their coffee Zim,Rick and Flip read these QB topics and about piss their pants laughing. :p
Wtf are you talking about? All I said was their situations were so different that they can't be compared. Has nothing to do with cases numbers this year or any other year.
Teddy would beat Case out for the job and you would have 20+ million stuck into a non producing spot that could better be spent on improving an already weak spot like OG or 3T
And until they have a head to head competition your dismissing teddy based on his performance 2 years ago is just as laughable and you assuming Case would win the job is just as speculative.
If we retain Case why would he lose his job? Case didn't give Teddy a chance this year did he?
If somehow both QBS were retained, it would definitely be an open competition this offseason. Case was good but rarely great. He peaked early in the Tampa game and after that he just didn't do anything consistently wrong, but he was not what I would want to see handed a position. ( I wouldn't want any of them handed the job )
@"prairieghost" said: There are going to be some real Debbie Downers around here when the starting QB is picked, some I told you so's, and some like me who will be too confuzzled to know how to feel. Of this I'm sure--no matter who is picked he will have the weight of the Viking world on his shoulders.
I have a feeling if they move on from Teddy and or Sam it's a sign his knee isn't as advertised. Case is case imo, good enough to stay in the hunt, but just not talented enough to put us over the top. And the only way I am pissed if they take cousins is if they break the bank to do it and one of these other guys plays at a high level next year and we get screwed again. Really I have to trust the guys that get paiD to do this and getting pissed is an exercise in futility since it really changes nothing.
@"MaroonBells" said:Totally agree. To this, I would only say that I have no dog in this race. I've said it a hundred times before and I'll say it a hundred times again. I'm not team-Teddy, team-Sam or team-Case, or team-Kirk. I'm team-Vikings. And what I want more than anything else is the Vikings to make their decision with time and carefully deliberation of CONTEXT and supporting cast. And if they do that--and I feel confident that they will--then I will be happy with whom they choose.
Those who know me know that I've been pounding the supporting-cast drum beat LONG before this season. I've been saying for years that the failure of NFL front offices to adequately factor in supporting cast and context (line, injuries, scheme, continuity) in their evaluation of players is the #1 reason why they continue to make ridiculously bad decisions, especially with QBs, whether it's Randall Cunningtham, Matt Cassel or Jake Delhomme or Nick Foles or Marc Bulger.
I'm not saying I could do any better. But I want the Vikings to do better.
And that's the right attitude to have... yet, I'll guarantee that no matter who the Vikings end up signing, there will be a vocal portion of the fan base that will think we got it wrong. :-D
@"Wetlander" said:@"MaroonBells" said:Totally agree. To this, I would only say that I have no dog in this race. I've said it a hundred times before and I'll say it a hundred times again. I'm not team-Teddy, team-Sam or team-Case, or team-Kirk. I'm team-Vikings. And what I want more than anything else is the Vikings to make their decision with time and carefully deliberation of CONTEXT and supporting cast. And if they do that--and I feel confident that they will--then I will be happy with whom they choose.
Those who know me know that I've been pounding the supporting-cast drum beat LONG before this season. I've been saying for years that the failure of NFL front offices to adequately factor in supporting cast and context (line, injuries, scheme, continuity) in their evaluation of players is the #1 reason why they continue to make ridiculously bad decisions, especially with QBs, whether it's Randall Cunningtham, Matt Cassel or Jake Delhomme or Nick Foles or Marc Bulger.
I'm not saying I could do any better. But I want the Vikings to do better.
And that's the right attitude to have... yet, I'll guarantee that no matter who the Vikings end up signing, there will be a vocal portion of the fan base that will think we got it wrong. :-D
Unlike some other teams, we're trying to decide between 4 pretty good options. That's why I usually say that in the pecking order Case would be my 4th choice, not that I don't want Case.So yeah, while Case would not be my first choice if I were the one making the decision, I'm just an idiot fan. I don't have access to practice tapes, medical reports, analytics, etc.
Toward the end of last season, several fans were calling for us to extend Keenum before the season ended. That scared the B'JESUS out of me. That would've been daffy. But if after careful and objective study of all options, the impact of supporting cast, consulting with Flip and Stef, and they choose Case Keenum to be their starter next year, then I'm all in.
I think the only thing that would really burn me would be committing to Keenum long-term. Yeah, I'd probably be pretty vocal about that. :-)
We're Vikings fans. We're not getting one of the four viable options. We're getting Jim McMahon.
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Norse" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Norse" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:Until Teddy puts the numbers up that Keenum did this year what your saying is a joke...it's all just speculation. Teddy could have promise, but are we willing to take a year to find that out. Or maybe his knee doesn't last the season...All unknowns not fact.you are comparing a qb in a norv offense in his second year in the league to a qb in a hybrid offense in his 5th (?) year in the league. its absurd to think that Teddy was anywhere near a finished product or to say that Sam didnt have a better supporting cast (minus the OL) than Teddy. to try and compare the two situations is absurd as trying to compare what Sam did in 16 to what Case did in 17. thats what makes all this such a joke as none of us really have any idea of what to expect out of any of the 3.edit: And probably every morning while drinking their coffee Zim,Rick and Flip read these QB topics and about piss their pants laughing. :p
Wtf are you talking about? All I said was their situations were so different that they can't be compared. Has nothing to do with cases numbers this year or any other year.
Teddy would beat Case out for the job and you would have 20+ million stuck into a non producing spot that could better be spent on improving an already weak spot like OG or 3T
And until they have a head to head competition your dismissing teddy based on his performance 2 years ago is just as laughable and you assuming Case would win the job is just as speculative.
Well, we could use more recent numbers for Teddy...OH, WAIT.That's the problem, everything with Teddy beyond his 2015 numbers is pure speculation.
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Norse" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Norse" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Norse" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:Until Teddy puts the numbers up that Keenum did this year what your saying is a joke...it's all just speculation. Teddy could have promise, but are we willing to take a year to find that out. Or maybe his knee doesn't last the season...All unknowns not fact.you are comparing a qb in a norv offense in his second year in the league to a qb in a hybrid offense in his 5th (?) year in the league. its absurd to think that Teddy was anywhere near a finished product or to say that Sam didnt have a better supporting cast (minus the OL) than Teddy. to try and compare the two situations is absurd as trying to compare what Sam did in 16 to what Case did in 17. thats what makes all this such a joke as none of us really have any idea of what to expect out of any of the 3.edit: And probably every morning while drinking their coffee Zim,Rick and Flip read these QB topics and about piss their pants laughing. :p
Wtf are you talking about? All I said was their situations were so different that they can't be compared. Has nothing to do with cases numbers this year or any other year.
Teddy would beat Case out for the job and you would have 20+ million stuck into a non producing spot that could better be spent on improving an already weak spot like OG or 3T
And until they have a head to head competition your dismissing teddy based on his performance 2 years ago is just as laughable and you assuming Case would win the job is just as speculative.
If we retain Case why would he lose his job? Case didn't give Teddy a chance this year did he?
If somehow both QBS were retained, it would definitely be an open competition this offseason. Case was good but rarely great. He peaked early in the Tampa game and after that he just didn't do anything consistently wrong, but he was not what I would want to see handed a position. ( I wouldn't want any of them handed the job )
A competition between the two would be great. But there's no way Case wins that and he knows it. That's nothing against Case. He's a gamer; he's not the kind of QB who's going to hold up in a detailed camp comparison of arm, accuracy, field vision. He's earned the right to be a starter. I think he'd just sign elsewhere if he thought there would be a camp competition with Teddy.
@"Zanary" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Norse" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Norse" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:Until Teddy puts the numbers up that Keenum did this year what your saying is a joke...it's all just speculation. Teddy could have promise, but are we willing to take a year to find that out. Or maybe his knee doesn't last the season...All unknowns not fact.you are comparing a qb in a norv offense in his second year in the league to a qb in a hybrid offense in his 5th (?) year in the league. its absurd to think that Teddy was anywhere near a finished product or to say that Sam didnt have a better supporting cast (minus the OL) than Teddy. to try and compare the two situations is absurd as trying to compare what Sam did in 16 to what Case did in 17. thats what makes all this such a joke as none of us really have any idea of what to expect out of any of the 3.edit: And probably every morning while drinking their coffee Zim,Rick and Flip read these QB topics and about piss their pants laughing. :p
Wtf are you talking about? All I said was their situations were so different that they can't be compared. Has nothing to do with cases numbers this year or any other year.
Teddy would beat Case out for the job and you would have 20+ million stuck into a non producing spot that could better be spent on improving an already weak spot like OG or 3T
And until they have a head to head competition your dismissing teddy based on his performance 2 years ago is just as laughable and you assuming Case would win the job is just as speculative.
Well, we could use more recent numbers for Teddy...OH, WAIT.That's the problem, everything with Teddy beyond his 2015 numbers is pure speculation.
Just as trying to say what any qb will do next year...it's all speculation. Cousins on paper looks like the best choice in terms of production and reliability...but nobody knows how he would play in Minny, they are just speculating. It's pretty much all we do this time of year is speculate...all of us...no matter what player or move we are pimping...it's all speculation.
@"Zanary" said: The horse is gonna get beaten into the ground until the QB situation gets addressed. That will be a nice, big, shiny distraction from this discussion...but inevitably lead to more armchair coaching/managing until preseason at least.Ah, fandom.
I know! Let's suppose.... ;)
@"FSUVike" said: We're Vikings fans. We're not getting one of the four viable options. We're getting Jim McMahon.Well, I see Jay Cutler is a UFA...
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Zanary" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Norse" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Norse" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:Until Teddy puts the numbers up that Keenum did this year what your saying is a joke...it's all just speculation. Teddy could have promise, but are we willing to take a year to find that out. Or maybe his knee doesn't last the season...All unknowns not fact.you are comparing a qb in a norv offense in his second year in the league to a qb in a hybrid offense in his 5th (?) year in the league. its absurd to think that Teddy was anywhere near a finished product or to say that Sam didnt have a better supporting cast (minus the OL) than Teddy. to try and compare the two situations is absurd as trying to compare what Sam did in 16 to what Case did in 17. thats what makes all this such a joke as none of us really have any idea of what to expect out of any of the 3.edit: And probably every morning while drinking their coffee Zim,Rick and Flip read these QB topics and about piss their pants laughing. :p
Wtf are you talking about? All I said was their situations were so different that they can't be compared. Has nothing to do with cases numbers this year or any other year.
Teddy would beat Case out for the job and you would have 20+ million stuck into a non producing spot that could better be spent on improving an already weak spot like OG or 3T
And until they have a head to head competition your dismissing teddy based on his performance 2 years ago is just as laughable and you assuming Case would win the job is just as speculative.
Well, we could use more recent numbers for Teddy...OH, WAIT.That's the problem, everything with Teddy beyond his 2015 numbers is pure speculation.
Just as trying to say what any qb will do next year...it's all speculation. Cousins on paper looks like the best choice in terms of production and reliability...but nobody knows how he would play in Minny, they are just speculating. It's pretty much all we do this time of year is speculate...all of us...no matter what player or move we are pimping...it's all speculation.
At least Cousin & Keenum have put numbers up...Teddy never has so it makes it more of a stretch.
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