The buzz seems to say Teddy
Take it for what it's worth. I don't think any of these guys know any more than the rest of us, but in Googling the latest chatter on Vikings' QB debate, there's definitely a buzz in the media that the Vikings may be leaning toward Teddy....
NFL Update@MySportsUpdateExecutives around the league expect the #Vikings to give QB Teddy Bridgewater a short term and incentive based “prove it” type deal this offseason. They have not come to a conclusion on what they’ll do with Case Keenum.
Back in November, Over The Cap’s Jason Fitzgerald said he could see the Vikings giving Bridgewater a short-term contract this offseason worth, “between $6 million and $7 million a year plus incentives.” He also mentioned Minnesota probably will not fight to toll the quarterback’s current deal if it ends up looking like something that requires the NFLPA to get involved.
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http://www.mankatofreepress.com/opinion/columns/courrier-odds-are-bridgewater-will-be-vikings-next-qb/article_3922c0ee-0d3f-11e8-a822-2f12c85c0117.html
Odds are Bridgewater will be the Vikings' next QB
"Teddy Bridgewater 3/1: For whatever reason, Bridgewater seems to be the favored choice of Vikings' management and players."
Case was 5/1. Sam 100/1. Cousins 10/1
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http://www.vikings.com/news/article-1/Spielman-Vikings-Want-to-Find-Long-Term-Solution-at-Quarterback/2d2fb471-370e-42a5-83c2-0021bd971d98
“Every player is unique and special, but Teddy … I’ve been inspired with how he’s come back from this injury and how he kept his head high throughout,” Wilf said. “It shows a lot of leadership and character.
“We knew that before the injury, and we saw it even more in the last year and a half,” Wilf added. “Great individual, and we’re proud and inspired with how he’s come back.”
Added Spielman: “I think he’s worked extremely hard and been an inspiration. Just to see him out there practicing every day, you see him getting more and more comfortable.”
In a 20-minute session with reporters, Spielman acknowledged the unique quarterback situations the Vikings have navigated in recent seasons.
Because of that, Spielman said, building plenty of depth will also be an offseason priority along with figuring out who the starter will be. The Vikings have already checked one box off their list as they hired John DeFilippo as the team;s new Offensive Coordinator on Friday morning.
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“Regardless of who the quarterback is, we have planned for this two years back,” Spielman said. “We don’t just start planning for this year on our cap. There’s a process in place for everything we do, and it’s done very thoroughly, and it’s also is looking out into the future.
“Knowing as these players develop and become good players you don’t want to lose, we’re targeting guys … two years from now, we’re going to have to pay this guy,” Spielman added. “I never want to get into the mode of ‘All-in this year,’ because I don’t want to start back over again. It’s always looking to not only put the best plan on the field this year, but also can we keep these players for year after year?”
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https://247sports.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/Bolt/Teddy-Bridgewater-has-won-the-team-over-with-Minnesota-Vikings-114731175
Wide receiver Jarius Wright joined 1500ESPN at radio row during Super Bowl week in Minneapolis and endorsed Bridgewater as a guy that can start and get the job done for the team as they continue their elusive pursuit of a championship.
“Me personally, I’m a Teddy fan,” Wright said on the Mackey and Judd program. “That’s one of my good buddies on and off the field. The guy still has a lot of football left in him. When the injury first happened, you didn’t know if he would play again, but after seeing him now and just talking to him and seeing how bad he wants to be on the field, how bad he wants to play, I think he’s ready to go and I know for sure he could start.”
“The guy is a winner,” Wright said. “You can’t coach winning. Go back and look from high school to college. I know I wasn’t expecting Louisville to be a great team at that time. Teddy comes in to Louisville…they had great years when he was there. They made it to a BCS bowl game when he was there and beat a pretty good Florida team. After you see the licks he took that one game and see how he continued to lead his team, you like him then. But then you get him on your team and see what kind of guy he is, then you learn to love him.”
“A gentleman is someone who can play the accordion, but doesn't." - Tom Waits
It seems that the chatter is based upon the Vikings making a safe decision with one of their current 3.
There is very little chatter about the Vikings going after the better QB that will be available. Kirk Cousins.
It is interesting that so many people (media types) dismiss the idea of Cousins and put the chances low.
I think a lot of fans are interested in saving money more than getting the best QB.
There really is no argument that Cousins has not had the better last 3 seasons of work.
The upside argument is speculative and not something that can be proved.
If the Vikings go with Teddy on a cheaper one year prove it deal or Case on some kind of tag, and neither really does as well as hoped, then they will be right back looking for a QB next year or the year after.
But what if they sign Cousins and he bombs? It may take them longer to start looking for another QB.
It is a tough decision but it should not be.
Cousins has the better odds of succeeding going forward based on his track record.
I would put Case next then Sam and Teddy.
@"Jor-El" said:@"Bullazin" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"Ralphie" said:@"greediron" said:@"MaroonBells" said:Take it for what it's worth. I don't think any of these guys know any more than the rest of us, but in Googling the latest chatter on Vikings' QB debate, there's definitely a buzz in the media that the Vikings may be leaning toward Teddy....It just makes the most sense. Taking the emotion out of it. He has the most longterm upside of the 3. Give him a contract that pays him as a starter with a chance to build on it. Players usually will bet on themselves. Pay him to avoid the tolling and earn a starters salary, but allowing him to prove himself and earn the big payday. If he does, then the Vikings will be happy to pay him a top salary. If not, he made decent money and gave it a shot.https://thevikingage.com/2018/02/12/rumor-vikings-to-offer-short-term-contract-bridgewater/
NFL Update@MySportsUpdateExecutives around the league expect the #Vikings to give QB Teddy Bridgewater a short term and incentive based “prove it” type deal this offseason. They have not come to a conclusion on what they’ll do with Case Keenum.Back in November, Over The Cap’s Jason Fitzgerald said he could see the Vikings giving Bridgewater a short-term contract this offseason worth, “between $6 million and $7 million a year plus incentives.” He also mentioned Minnesota probably will not fight to toll the quarterback’s current deal if it ends up looking like something that requires the NFLPA to get involved.
https://thevikingage.com/2018/01/23/who-will-be-the-vikings-quarterback-2018/The above article puts the odds of the three being QB in 2018:
Sammy...20%
Case...60%
TB...80%
And the reasoning is pretty straightforward. He'd be the least expensive to sign with the best upside.
My fear is we could see a repeat with Sammy's situation...the Vikes are in the midst of a great season and TB goes down with that bad wheel. Who would be our backup and could we hope to see Case-clone 2.0?
That would be a fear with anyone. No matter who the QB is, he has to be backed up with someone qualified. Read the 3rd article I linked above. Rick calls the backup QB the 2nd most important position on the roster. And with so few appealing options out there in free agency, I keep coming back to the most ideal situation: Sam and Teddy.
Despite preferences what makes it ideal is we have 2 firsts and a 4 th invested in these 2
Ah, that's not "ideal", that's "justifying spent draft picks". I actually hope the team management is not weighing that as a factor, because it can lead to clouded judgment and weaker decision-making. If a draft pick was a mistake - and I am NOT saying either was, just IF - a smart and confident GM admits it and moves on, rather than handicapping a team with a bad Ponder. I mean bad player.
you’re a little off in your own world of Speilly bashing i think. sure it is ideal. we have 2 franchise QB’s in Teddy and Sam. Whats more ideal than that? a system QB game manager that may get 20 million a year on the open market?
If I remember correctly many were with the TOA and Chilli for not going hard after Brees because he had a serious shoulder injury and surgery. Look how that turned out.
I am not comparing Teddy to Brees but all this is largely a crapshoot mixed with some opinions from people paid to treat and evaluate athletes
@"mblack" said: If I remember correctly many were with the TOA and Chilli for not going hard after Brees because he had a serious shoulder injury and surgery. Look how that turned out. I am not comparing Teddy to Brees but all this is largely a crapshoot mixed with some opinions from people paid to treat and evaluate athletesi was one and i bet you were also. Hoping we get this right, i want a trophy before i die
@"Bullazin" said:I was probably the one leading the case against Brees. How sad.@"mblack" said: If I remember correctly many were with the TOA and Chilli for not going hard after Brees because he had a serious shoulder injury and surgery. Look how that turned out. I am not comparing Teddy to Brees but all this is largely a crapshoot mixed with some opinions from people paid to treat and evaluate athletes i was one and i bet you were also. Hoping we get this right, i want a trophy before i die
@"MarkSP18" said: It seems that the chatter is based upon the Vikings making a safe decision with one of their current 3.There is very little chatter about the Vikings going after the better QB that will be available. Kirk Cousins.
It is interesting that so many people (media types) dismiss the idea of Cousins and put the chances low.
I think a lot of fans are interested in saving money more than getting the best QB.
There really is no argument that Cousins has not had the better last 3 seasons of work.
The upside argument is speculative and not something that can be proved.
If the Vikings go with Teddy on a cheaper one year prove it deal or Case on some kind of tag, and neither really does as well as hoped, then they will be right back looking for a QB next year or the year after.
But what if they sign Cousins and he bombs? It may take them longer to start looking for another QB.
It is a tough decision but it should not be.
Cousins has the better odds of succeeding going forward based on his track record.
I would put Case next then Sam and Teddy.
I'm a little surprised too... unless Kirk is lying about wanting to win and goes for the most money, the Vikings should have the inside track to lock him up for a market rate contract. Let's not forget that Brez is a cap genius and should be able to construct a contract that pays Kirk like a top QB, but doesn't sacrifice our ability to retain our own upcoming FAs.
The rumblings say that Cousins camp has been putting out the smoke that he wants to be here. The question is... do the Vikings want him? I think they should look hard at him. Bradford and Keenum had career years here... It's not crazy to think that Cousins could too. He's done more with less than Keenum and Bradford did on their previous teams. And everyone said their play was hampered by a poor supporting cast. Cook, Thielen, Diggs, and Rudy are better than Crowder, Doctson, Vernon Davis, and Samaje Perine.
If we miss out on Cousins, Teddy would be the only in-house option I'd try to re-sign... assuming he is fully recovered and the training staff has no concerns with his knee long-term. He offers everything DeFillipo is looking for in a QB. Character, leadership, timing, accuracy, and decision making.
If I'm the Vikings, I would try to get one of these guys and let Bradford and Keenum walk and get a couple compensatory picks in 2019.
Without knowing the health status of Bridgewater and Bradford it's just not possible to predict what the Vikings will do.
Then layer the added complexity of the marketplace. The $ they're willing to spend, then layer it again with whether the Vikings are even interested in either (or Cousins or Case) and for what cost and you have a mystery wrapped by an enigma wrapped by a riddle.
Sherlock Holmes would be stupefied trying to solve this one.
Frankly it's amazing and a little disconcerting coming off a 13/3 season to have this much of a question mark at the undisputedly most important position on the team.
Then again, this is the Vikings who have had 2,001,984 qb's since Moon retired...
@"Bullazin" said:@"Jor-El" said:@"Bullazin" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"Ralphie" said:@"greediron" said:@"MaroonBells" said:Take it for what it's worth. I don't think any of these guys know any more than the rest of us, but in Googling the latest chatter on Vikings' QB debate, there's definitely a buzz in the media that the Vikings may be leaning toward Teddy....It just makes the most sense. Taking the emotion out of it. He has the most longterm upside of the 3. Give him a contract that pays him as a starter with a chance to build on it. Players usually will bet on themselves. Pay him to avoid the tolling and earn a starters salary, but allowing him to prove himself and earn the big payday. If he does, then the Vikings will be happy to pay him a top salary. If not, he made decent money and gave it a shot.https://thevikingage.com/2018/02/12/rumor-vikings-to-offer-short-term-contract-bridgewater/
NFL Update@MySportsUpdateExecutives around the league expect the #Vikings to give QB Teddy Bridgewater a short term and incentive based “prove it” type deal this offseason. They have not come to a conclusion on what they’ll do with Case Keenum.Back in November, Over The Cap’s Jason Fitzgerald said he could see the Vikings giving Bridgewater a short-term contract this offseason worth, “between $6 million and $7 million a year plus incentives.” He also mentioned Minnesota probably will not fight to toll the quarterback’s current deal if it ends up looking like something that requires the NFLPA to get involved.
https://thevikingage.com/2018/01/23/who-will-be-the-vikings-quarterback-2018/The above article puts the odds of the three being QB in 2018:
Sammy...20%
Case...60%
TB...80%
And the reasoning is pretty straightforward. He'd be the least expensive to sign with the best upside.
My fear is we could see a repeat with Sammy's situation...the Vikes are in the midst of a great season and TB goes down with that bad wheel. Who would be our backup and could we hope to see Case-clone 2.0?
That would be a fear with anyone. No matter who the QB is, he has to be backed up with someone qualified. Read the 3rd article I linked above. Rick calls the backup QB the 2nd most important position on the roster. And with so few appealing options out there in free agency, I keep coming back to the most ideal situation: Sam and Teddy.
Despite preferences what makes it ideal is we have 2 firsts and a 4 th invested in these 2
Ah, that's not "ideal", that's "justifying spent draft picks". I actually hope the team management is not weighing that as a factor, because it can lead to clouded judgment and weaker decision-making. If a draft pick was a mistake - and I am NOT saying either was, just IF - a smart and confident GM admits it and moves on, rather than handicapping a team with a bad Ponder. I mean bad player.
you’re a little off in your own world of Speilly bashing i think. sure it is ideal. we have 2 franchise QB’s in Teddy and Sam. Whats more ideal than that? a system QB game manager that may get 20 million a year on the open market?
Sorry I just cant agree with the statement about having 2 franchise QBs in Sam and Teddy. Sam has the arm talent to be a franchise QB and the first Saints game showed all of his capabilities. But the injuries and being on his third team kind of undermine that. At least Sam has shown he has the capability to be a franchise QB, if he can stay healthy, have a pretty clean pocket, and have some good weapons at his disposal.Teddy just has not shown he is a franchise QB yet. He MIGHT evolve/improve and eventually get there, but there is also is a good chance he might not. Add in the knee injury and I just can't put my trust in him as THE guy.
Over the last two seasons we have had capable to good, and sometimes great, QB play from Bradford and Keenum. I think we are all in for a shock if we go all in on Teddy and find him to be about the same QB he was in 2015. He tends to hold the ball too long, check down regularly, and is not good on the deep ball. I have seen enough games where we don't break 100 yards passing. The reality is Teddy can not make the majority of the intermediate-deep throws that Sam made against the Saints, and has never produced the results we saw from Keenum this season.
I think we need to take a long look at Cousins, and if that does not work out maybe bring Case back on a shorter term contract and see if Teddy can back him up if his contract tolls. I love Sams ability to throw the ball, but given DeFillipo's comments about wanting more mobility from his QBs I am not sure if he sees a good fit there.
@"purplefaithful" said: Without knowing the health status of Bridgewater and Bradford it's just not possible to predict what the Vikings will do.Then layer the added complexity of the marketplace. The $ they're willing to spend, then layer it again with whether the Vikings are even interested in either (or Cousins or Case) and for what cost and you have a mystery wrapped by an enigma wrapped by a riddle.
Sherlock Holmes would be stupefied trying to solve this one.
Frankly it's amazing and a little disconcerting coming off a 13/3 season to have this much of a question mark at the undisputedly most important position on the team.
Then again, this is the Vikings who have had 2,001,984 qb's since Moon retired...
It would be nice to not have to worry about this for another 5 years (or more). It has been a long time since the Vikings could say that. Culpepper I suppose was the last.
@"Magnus10" said:@"Bullazin" said:@"Jor-El" said:@"Bullazin" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"Ralphie" said:@"greediron" said:@"MaroonBells" said:Take it for what it's worth. I don't think any of these guys know any more than the rest of us, but in Googling the latest chatter on Vikings' QB debate, there's definitely a buzz in the media that the Vikings may be leaning toward Teddy....It just makes the most sense. Taking the emotion out of it. He has the most longterm upside of the 3. Give him a contract that pays him as a starter with a chance to build on it. Players usually will bet on themselves. Pay him to avoid the tolling and earn a starters salary, but allowing him to prove himself and earn the big payday. If he does, then the Vikings will be happy to pay him a top salary. If not, he made decent money and gave it a shot.https://thevikingage.com/2018/02/12/rumor-vikings-to-offer-short-term-contract-bridgewater/
NFL Update@MySportsUpdateExecutives around the league expect the #Vikings to give QB Teddy Bridgewater a short term and incentive based “prove it” type deal this offseason. They have not come to a conclusion on what they’ll do with Case Keenum.Back in November, Over The Cap’s Jason Fitzgerald said he could see the Vikings giving Bridgewater a short-term contract this offseason worth, “between $6 million and $7 million a year plus incentives.” He also mentioned Minnesota probably will not fight to toll the quarterback’s current deal if it ends up looking like something that requires the NFLPA to get involved.
https://thevikingage.com/2018/01/23/who-will-be-the-vikings-quarterback-2018/The above article puts the odds of the three being QB in 2018:
Sammy...20%
Case...60%
TB...80%
And the reasoning is pretty straightforward. He'd be the least expensive to sign with the best upside.
My fear is we could see a repeat with Sammy's situation...the Vikes are in the midst of a great season and TB goes down with that bad wheel. Who would be our backup and could we hope to see Case-clone 2.0?
That would be a fear with anyone. No matter who the QB is, he has to be backed up with someone qualified. Read the 3rd article I linked above. Rick calls the backup QB the 2nd most important position on the roster. And with so few appealing options out there in free agency, I keep coming back to the most ideal situation: Sam and Teddy.
Despite preferences what makes it ideal is we have 2 firsts and a 4 th invested in these 2
Ah, that's not "ideal", that's "justifying spent draft picks". I actually hope the team management is not weighing that as a factor, because it can lead to clouded judgment and weaker decision-making. If a draft pick was a mistake - and I am NOT saying either was, just IF - a smart and confident GM admits it and moves on, rather than handicapping a team with a bad Ponder. I mean bad player.
you’re a little off in your own world of Speilly bashing i think. sure it is ideal. we have 2 franchise QB’s in Teddy and Sam. Whats more ideal than that? a system QB game manager that may get 20 million a year on the open market?
Sorry I just cant agree with the statement about having 2 franchise QBs in Sam and Teddy. Sam has the arm talent to be a franchise QB and the first Saints game showed all of his capabilities. But the injuries and being on his third team kind of undermine that. At least Sam has shown he has the capability to be a franchise QB, if he can stay healthy, have a pretty clean pocket, and have some good weapons at his disposal.Teddy just has not shown he is a franchise QB yet. He MIGHT evolve/improve and eventually get there, but there is also is a good chance he might not. Add in the knee injury and I just can't put my trust in him as THE guy.
Over the last two seasons we have had capable to good, and sometimes great, QB play from Bradford and Keenum. I think we are all in for a shock if we go all in on Teddy and find him to be about the same QB he was in 2015. He tends to hold the ball too long, check down regularly, and is not good on the deep ball. I have seen enough games where we don't break 100 yards passing. The reality is Teddy can not make the majority of the intermediate-deep throws that Sam made against the Saints, and has never produced the results we saw from Keenum this season.
I think we need to take a long look at Cousins, and if that does not work out maybe bring Case back on a shorter term contract and see if Teddy can back him up if his contract tolls. I love Sams ability to throw the ball, but given DeFillipo's comments about wanting more mobility from his QBs I am not sure if he sees a good fit there.
Absolutely fantastic post, welcome to the board!
@"Magnus10" said:@"Bullazin" said:@"Jor-El" said:@"Bullazin" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"Ralphie" said:@"greediron" said:@"MaroonBells" said:Take it for what it's worth. I don't think any of these guys know any more than the rest of us, but in Googling the latest chatter on Vikings' QB debate, there's definitely a buzz in the media that the Vikings may be leaning toward Teddy....It just makes the most sense. Taking the emotion out of it. He has the most longterm upside of the 3. Give him a contract that pays him as a starter with a chance to build on it. Players usually will bet on themselves. Pay him to avoid the tolling and earn a starters salary, but allowing him to prove himself and earn the big payday. If he does, then the Vikings will be happy to pay him a top salary. If not, he made decent money and gave it a shot.https://thevikingage.com/2018/02/12/rumor-vikings-to-offer-short-term-contract-bridgewater/
NFL Update@MySportsUpdateExecutives around the league expect the #Vikings to give QB Teddy Bridgewater a short term and incentive based “prove it” type deal this offseason. They have not come to a conclusion on what they’ll do with Case Keenum.Back in November, Over The Cap’s Jason Fitzgerald said he could see the Vikings giving Bridgewater a short-term contract this offseason worth, “between $6 million and $7 million a year plus incentives.” He also mentioned Minnesota probably will not fight to toll the quarterback’s current deal if it ends up looking like something that requires the NFLPA to get involved.
https://thevikingage.com/2018/01/23/who-will-be-the-vikings-quarterback-2018/The above article puts the odds of the three being QB in 2018:
Sammy...20%
Case...60%
TB...80%
And the reasoning is pretty straightforward. He'd be the least expensive to sign with the best upside.
My fear is we could see a repeat with Sammy's situation...the Vikes are in the midst of a great season and TB goes down with that bad wheel. Who would be our backup and could we hope to see Case-clone 2.0?
That would be a fear with anyone. No matter who the QB is, he has to be backed up with someone qualified. Read the 3rd article I linked above. Rick calls the backup QB the 2nd most important position on the roster. And with so few appealing options out there in free agency, I keep coming back to the most ideal situation: Sam and Teddy.
Despite preferences what makes it ideal is we have 2 firsts and a 4 th invested in these 2
Ah, that's not "ideal", that's "justifying spent draft picks". I actually hope the team management is not weighing that as a factor, because it can lead to clouded judgment and weaker decision-making. If a draft pick was a mistake - and I am NOT saying either was, just IF - a smart and confident GM admits it and moves on, rather than handicapping a team with a bad Ponder. I mean bad player.
you’re a little off in your own world of Speilly bashing i think. sure it is ideal. we have 2 franchise QB’s in Teddy and Sam. Whats more ideal than that? a system QB game manager that may get 20 million a year on the open market?
Sorry I just cant agree with the statement about having 2 franchise QBs in Sam and Teddy. Sam has the arm talent to be a franchise QB and the first Saints game showed all of his capabilities. But the injuries and being on his third team kind of undermine that. At least Sam has shown he has the capability to be a franchise QB, if he can stay healthy, have a pretty clean pocket, and have some good weapons at his disposal.Teddy just has not shown he is a franchise QB yet. He MIGHT evolve/improve and eventually get there, but there is also is a good chance he might not. Add in the knee injury and I just can't put my trust in him as THE guy.
Over the last two seasons we have had capable to good, and sometimes great, QB play from Bradford and Keenum. I think we are all in for a shock if we go all in on Teddy and find him to be about the same QB he was in 2015. He tends to hold the ball too long, check down regularly, and is not good on the deep ball. I have seen enough games where we don't break 100 yards passing. The reality is Teddy can not make the majority of the intermediate-deep throws that Sam made against the Saints, and has never produced the results we saw from Keenum this season.
I think we need to take a long look at Cousins, and if that does not work out maybe bring Case back on a shorter term contract and see if Teddy can back him up if his contract tolls. I love Sams ability to throw the ball, but given DeFillipo's comments about wanting more mobility from his QBs I am not sure if he sees a good fit there.
If Teddy tolls you might as well save the cap space and bring in a cheaper option as back up, or a better option for competition. Teddy would beat Case out for the job and you would have 20+ million stuck into a non producing spot that could better be spent on improving an already weak spot like OG or 3T, or several other areas instead of relying on the draft to provide. If you are hell bent on spending 20+ on a QB might as well spend a few million more and get cousins at that point, who comes with his own question marks, but is more likely to improve the position than Case is IMO.
health in my opionion tosses Teddy out. Id rather risk it on Sam knowing if he stays healthy like 2 yrs ago hes the best option. if you want a more sure thing sign cousins or case.
@"AGRforever" said: health in my opionion tosses Teddy out. Id rather risk it on Sam knowing if he stays healthy like 2 yrs ago hes the best option. if you want a more sure thing sign cousins or case.I thought I read at some point Sam's knee is feeling ok and it was debunked he was bone on bone? But based on DeFillipo's comments on mobility, I wonder about Sam. Maybe they'll decide to go with him being less mobile because of his arm and accuracy?
@"Bullazin" said:@"Jor-El" said:@"Bullazin" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"Ralphie" said:@"greediron" said:@"MaroonBells" said:Take it for what it's worth. I don't think any of these guys know any more than the rest of us, but in Googling the latest chatter on Vikings' QB debate, there's definitely a buzz in the media that the Vikings may be leaning toward Teddy....It just makes the most sense. Taking the emotion out of it. He has the most longterm upside of the 3. Give him a contract that pays him as a starter with a chance to build on it. Players usually will bet on themselves. Pay him to avoid the tolling and earn a starters salary, but allowing him to prove himself and earn the big payday. If he does, then the Vikings will be happy to pay him a top salary. If not, he made decent money and gave it a shot.https://thevikingage.com/2018/02/12/rumor-vikings-to-offer-short-term-contract-bridgewater/
NFL Update@MySportsUpdateExecutives around the league expect the #Vikings to give QB Teddy Bridgewater a short term and incentive based “prove it” type deal this offseason. They have not come to a conclusion on what they’ll do with Case Keenum.Back in November, Over The Cap’s Jason Fitzgerald said he could see the Vikings giving Bridgewater a short-term contract this offseason worth, “between $6 million and $7 million a year plus incentives.” He also mentioned Minnesota probably will not fight to toll the quarterback’s current deal if it ends up looking like something that requires the NFLPA to get involved.
https://thevikingage.com/2018/01/23/who-will-be-the-vikings-quarterback-2018/The above article puts the odds of the three being QB in 2018:
Sammy...20%
Case...60%
TB...80%
And the reasoning is pretty straightforward. He'd be the least expensive to sign with the best upside.
My fear is we could see a repeat with Sammy's situation...the Vikes are in the midst of a great season and TB goes down with that bad wheel. Who would be our backup and could we hope to see Case-clone 2.0?
That would be a fear with anyone. No matter who the QB is, he has to be backed up with someone qualified. Read the 3rd article I linked above. Rick calls the backup QB the 2nd most important position on the roster. And with so few appealing options out there in free agency, I keep coming back to the most ideal situation: Sam and Teddy.
Despite preferences what makes it ideal is we have 2 firsts and a 4 th invested in these 2
Ah, that's not "ideal", that's "justifying spent draft picks". I actually hope the team management is not weighing that as a factor, because it can lead to clouded judgment and weaker decision-making. If a draft pick was a mistake - and I am NOT saying either was, just IF - a smart and confident GM admits it and moves on, rather than handicapping a team with a bad Ponder. I mean bad player.
you’re a little off in your own world of Speilly bashing i think. sure it is ideal. we have 2 franchise QB’s in Teddy and Sam. Whats more ideal than that? a system QB game manager that may get 20 million a year on the open market?You are totally misunderstanding me - or you are the one advocating a bias about our GM. I said nothing about whether Bradford or Bridgewater (or Keenum or Cousins for that matter) are "franchise QBs". OTOH, you said that both Bradford and Bridgewater are franchise quarterbacks simply because they are both former first-rounders.
To be explicit, my point was: a team should not use draft position to determine a veteran player's current quality. Where they were initially drafted, or even how much we spent in draft picks to acquire a player, is just being hung up on evaluations regarding their college performance - not to mention other factors like combine workouts, pro days, Wonderlic tests, etc. I like the draft but it makes me laugh how announcers list what round players were drafted in, even a decade after they entered the league...ANCIENT HISTORY.
If you use draft position to decide who is a good QB, Kurt Warner must have been no better than training camp fodder and Johnny Manziel is better than Teddy Bridgewater. In reality only a tiny percentage of players' NFL careers can be correlated to their original draft position.
Sure, I took a small jab at Spielman by mentioning Ponder...I think he can handle it! I hope, and am fairly confident, that Spielman is not going to simply offer the biggest contract to whoever was drafted highest. Any GM who did that would be stupid or just trying to prove his draft pick was still a great one. I think Spielman may have been guilty of that at times earlier in his career, but he seems to have learned to let some high draft picks (Kalil, Patterson) walk away.
@"Bullazin" said:@"Jor-El" said:@"Bullazin" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"Ralphie" said:@"greediron" said:@"MaroonBells" said:Take it for what it's worth. I don't think any of these guys know any more than the rest of us, but in Googling the latest chatter on Vikings' QB debate, there's definitely a buzz in the media that the Vikings may be leaning toward Teddy....It just makes the most sense. Taking the emotion out of it. He has the most longterm upside of the 3. Give him a contract that pays him as a starter with a chance to build on it. Players usually will bet on themselves. Pay him to avoid the tolling and earn a starters salary, but allowing him to prove himself and earn the big payday. If he does, then the Vikings will be happy to pay him a top salary. If not, he made decent money and gave it a shot.https://thevikingage.com/2018/02/12/rumor-vikings-to-offer-short-term-contract-bridgewater/
NFL Update@MySportsUpdateExecutives around the league expect the #Vikings to give QB Teddy Bridgewater a short term and incentive based “prove it” type deal this offseason. They have not come to a conclusion on what they’ll do with Case Keenum.Back in November, Over The Cap’s Jason Fitzgerald said he could see the Vikings giving Bridgewater a short-term contract this offseason worth, “between $6 million and $7 million a year plus incentives.” He also mentioned Minnesota probably will not fight to toll the quarterback’s current deal if it ends up looking like something that requires the NFLPA to get involved.
https://thevikingage.com/2018/01/23/who-will-be-the-vikings-quarterback-2018/The above article puts the odds of the three being QB in 2018:
Sammy...20%
Case...60%
TB...80%
And the reasoning is pretty straightforward. He'd be the least expensive to sign with the best upside.
My fear is we could see a repeat with Sammy's situation...the Vikes are in the midst of a great season and TB goes down with that bad wheel. Who would be our backup and could we hope to see Case-clone 2.0?
That would be a fear with anyone. No matter who the QB is, he has to be backed up with someone qualified. Read the 3rd article I linked above. Rick calls the backup QB the 2nd most important position on the roster. And with so few appealing options out there in free agency, I keep coming back to the most ideal situation: Sam and Teddy.
Despite preferences what makes it ideal is we have 2 firsts and a 4 th invested in these 2
Ah, that's not "ideal", that's "justifying spent draft picks". I actually hope the team management is not weighing that as a factor, because it can lead to clouded judgment and weaker decision-making. If a draft pick was a mistake - and I am NOT saying either was, just IF - a smart and confident GM admits it and moves on, rather than handicapping a team with a bad Ponder. I mean bad player.
you’re a little off in your own world of Speilly bashing i think. sure it is ideal. we have 2 franchise QB’s in Teddy and Sam. Whats more ideal than that? a system QB game manager that may get 20 million a year on the open market?
yikes, thank god you're not a GM....Sam/Teddy are FAR from franchise QB's..... and then in the same sentence you call Cousins a system game manager.
just yikes. i rarely call people flat out wrong, it's all opinions mostly...
but that take is just wrong.
@"golfervike" said:@"Bullazin" said:@"Jor-El" said:@"Bullazin" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"Ralphie" said:@"greediron" said:@"MaroonBells" said:Take it for what it's worth. I don't think any of these guys know any more than the rest of us, but in Googling the latest chatter on Vikings' QB debate, there's definitely a buzz in the media that the Vikings may be leaning toward Teddy....It just makes the most sense. Taking the emotion out of it. He has the most longterm upside of the 3. Give him a contract that pays him as a starter with a chance to build on it. Players usually will bet on themselves. Pay him to avoid the tolling and earn a starters salary, but allowing him to prove himself and earn the big payday. If he does, then the Vikings will be happy to pay him a top salary. If not, he made decent money and gave it a shot.https://thevikingage.com/2018/02/12/rumor-vikings-to-offer-short-term-contract-bridgewater/
NFL Update@MySportsUpdateExecutives around the league expect the #Vikings to give QB Teddy Bridgewater a short term and incentive based “prove it” type deal this offseason. They have not come to a conclusion on what they’ll do with Case Keenum.Back in November, Over The Cap’s Jason Fitzgerald said he could see the Vikings giving Bridgewater a short-term contract this offseason worth, “between $6 million and $7 million a year plus incentives.” He also mentioned Minnesota probably will not fight to toll the quarterback’s current deal if it ends up looking like something that requires the NFLPA to get involved.
https://thevikingage.com/2018/01/23/who-will-be-the-vikings-quarterback-2018/The above article puts the odds of the three being QB in 2018:
Sammy...20%
Case...60%
TB...80%
And the reasoning is pretty straightforward. He'd be the least expensive to sign with the best upside.
My fear is we could see a repeat with Sammy's situation...the Vikes are in the midst of a great season and TB goes down with that bad wheel. Who would be our backup and could we hope to see Case-clone 2.0?
That would be a fear with anyone. No matter who the QB is, he has to be backed up with someone qualified. Read the 3rd article I linked above. Rick calls the backup QB the 2nd most important position on the roster. And with so few appealing options out there in free agency, I keep coming back to the most ideal situation: Sam and Teddy.
Despite preferences what makes it ideal is we have 2 firsts and a 4 th invested in these 2
Ah, that's not "ideal", that's "justifying spent draft picks". I actually hope the team management is not weighing that as a factor, because it can lead to clouded judgment and weaker decision-making. If a draft pick was a mistake - and I am NOT saying either was, just IF - a smart and confident GM admits it and moves on, rather than handicapping a team with a bad Ponder. I mean bad player.
you’re a little off in your own world of Speilly bashing i think. sure it is ideal. we have 2 franchise QB’s in Teddy and Sam. Whats more ideal than that? a system QB game manager that may get 20 million a year on the open market?
yikes, thank god you're not a GM....Sam/Teddy are FAR from franchise QB's..... and then in the same sentence you call Cousins a system game manager.
just yikes. i rarely call people flat out wrong, it's all opinions mostly...
but that take is just wrong.
pretty sure he was referring to Case as the game manager.
@"purplefaithful" said:Zim was asked about the knee in his season ending PC and he said that the issue for the surgery this year was not likely to be a career threatening issue going forward. bone on bone would IMO certainly be a career threatening issue, but he could have also been just being nice since Sam is slated to become a free agent and he didnt want to make any disparaging comments about a players health.@"AGRforever" said: health in my opionion tosses Teddy out. Id rather risk it on Sam knowing if he stays healthy like 2 yrs ago hes the best option. if you want a more sure thing sign cousins or case. I thought I read at some point Sam's knee is feeling ok and it was debunked he was bone on bone? But based on DeFillipo's comments on mobility, I wonder about Sam. Maybe they'll decide to go with him being less mobile because of his arm and accuracy?
@"JimmyinSD" said:That's an interesting thought, because you would not do that - give an overly-strong endorsement of a player about to become a free agent - if you wanted him back. Sounds a bit like "buttering someone's bread", where a manager sings the praises of an employee that someone else is considering hiring away. But we're probably reading too much into every comment. Just as likely, it could mean Zimmer hopes Bradford will be his QB next year and was beginning the process of reassuring fans he will be healthy.@"purplefaithful" said:Zim was asked about the knee in his season ending PC and he said that the issue for the surgery this year was not likely to be a career threatening issue going forward. bone on bone would IMO certainly be a career threatening issue, but he could have also been just being nice since Sam is slated to become a free agent and he didnt want to make any disparaging comments about a players health.@"AGRforever" said: health in my opionion tosses Teddy out. Id rather risk it on Sam knowing if he stays healthy like 2 yrs ago hes the best option. if you want a more sure thing sign cousins or case. I thought I read at some point Sam's knee is feeling ok and it was debunked he was bone on bone? But based on DeFillipo's comments on mobility, I wonder about Sam. Maybe they'll decide to go with him being less mobile because of his arm and accuracy?
@"Magnus10" said:@"Bullazin" said:@"Jor-El" said:@"Bullazin" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"Ralphie" said:@"greediron" said:@"MaroonBells" said:Take it for what it's worth. I don't think any of these guys know any more than the rest of us, but in Googling the latest chatter on Vikings' QB debate, there's definitely a buzz in the media that the Vikings may be leaning toward Teddy....It just makes the most sense. Taking the emotion out of it. He has the most longterm upside of the 3. Give him a contract that pays him as a starter with a chance to build on it. Players usually will bet on themselves. Pay him to avoid the tolling and earn a starters salary, but allowing him to prove himself and earn the big payday. If he does, then the Vikings will be happy to pay him a top salary. If not, he made decent money and gave it a shot.https://thevikingage.com/2018/02/12/rumor-vikings-to-offer-short-term-contract-bridgewater/
NFL Update@MySportsUpdateExecutives around the league expect the #Vikings to give QB Teddy Bridgewater a short term and incentive based “prove it” type deal this offseason. They have not come to a conclusion on what they’ll do with Case Keenum.Back in November, Over The Cap’s Jason Fitzgerald said he could see the Vikings giving Bridgewater a short-term contract this offseason worth, “between $6 million and $7 million a year plus incentives.” He also mentioned Minnesota probably will not fight to toll the quarterback’s current deal if it ends up looking like something that requires the NFLPA to get involved.
https://thevikingage.com/2018/01/23/who-will-be-the-vikings-quarterback-2018/The above article puts the odds of the three being QB in 2018:
Sammy...20%
Case...60%
TB...80%
And the reasoning is pretty straightforward. He'd be the least expensive to sign with the best upside.
My fear is we could see a repeat with Sammy's situation...the Vikes are in the midst of a great season and TB goes down with that bad wheel. Who would be our backup and could we hope to see Case-clone 2.0?
That would be a fear with anyone. No matter who the QB is, he has to be backed up with someone qualified. Read the 3rd article I linked above. Rick calls the backup QB the 2nd most important position on the roster. And with so few appealing options out there in free agency, I keep coming back to the most ideal situation: Sam and Teddy.
Despite preferences what makes it ideal is we have 2 firsts and a 4 th invested in these 2
Ah, that's not "ideal", that's "justifying spent draft picks". I actually hope the team management is not weighing that as a factor, because it can lead to clouded judgment and weaker decision-making. If a draft pick was a mistake - and I am NOT saying either was, just IF - a smart and confident GM admits it and moves on, rather than handicapping a team with a bad Ponder. I mean bad player.
you’re a little off in your own world of Speilly bashing i think. sure it is ideal. we have 2 franchise QB’s in Teddy and Sam. Whats more ideal than that? a system QB game manager that may get 20 million a year on the open market?
Sorry I just cant agree with the statement about having 2 franchise QBs in Sam and Teddy. Sam has the arm talent to be a franchise QB and the first Saints game showed all of his capabilities. But the injuries and being on his third team kind of undermine that. At least Sam has shown he has the capability to be a franchise QB, if he can stay healthy, have a pretty clean pocket, and have some good weapons at his disposal.Teddy just has not shown he is a franchise QB yet. He MIGHT evolve/improve and eventually get there, but there is also is a good chance he might not. Add in the knee injury and I just can't put my trust in him as THE guy.
Over the last two seasons we have had capable to good, and sometimes great, QB play from Bradford and Keenum. I think we are all in for a shock if we go all in on Teddy and find him to be about the same QB he was in 2015. He tends to hold the ball too long, check down regularly, and is not good on the deep ball. I have seen enough games where we don't break 100 yards passing. The reality is Teddy can not make the majority of the intermediate-deep throws that Sam made against the Saints, and has never produced the results we saw from Keenum this season.
I think we need to take a long look at Cousins, and if that does not work out maybe bring Case back on a shorter term contract and see if Teddy can back him up if his contract tolls. I love Sams ability to throw the ball, but given DeFillipo's comments about wanting more mobility from his QBs I am not sure if he sees a good fit there.
Exactly how many sub 100 yard games have you seen from him? I see one(99yds) week 17 in Lameblow, hardly the first time that happened there AND they won. Saying he can't make the throws is ridiculous, he can make every throw Case did and more. He doesn't have the arm talent Sam does but has better movement skills and awareness in the pocket.Everybody has an opinion and it's expected but lets at least be real about it. I trust they will make the right call and will get behind whoever that is.
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"golfervike" said:@"Bullazin" said:@"Jor-El" said:@"Bullazin" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"Ralphie" said:@"greediron" said:@"MaroonBells" said:Take it for what it's worth. I don't think any of these guys know any more than the rest of us, but in Googling the latest chatter on Vikings' QB debate, there's definitely a buzz in the media that the Vikings may be leaning toward Teddy....It just makes the most sense. Taking the emotion out of it. He has the most longterm upside of the 3. Give him a contract that pays him as a starter with a chance to build on it. Players usually will bet on themselves. Pay him to avoid the tolling and earn a starters salary, but allowing him to prove himself and earn the big payday. If he does, then the Vikings will be happy to pay him a top salary. If not, he made decent money and gave it a shot.https://thevikingage.com/2018/02/12/rumor-vikings-to-offer-short-term-contract-bridgewater/
NFL Update@MySportsUpdateExecutives around the league expect the #Vikings to give QB Teddy Bridgewater a short term and incentive based “prove it” type deal this offseason. They have not come to a conclusion on what they’ll do with Case Keenum.Back in November, Over The Cap’s Jason Fitzgerald said he could see the Vikings giving Bridgewater a short-term contract this offseason worth, “between $6 million and $7 million a year plus incentives.” He also mentioned Minnesota probably will not fight to toll the quarterback’s current deal if it ends up looking like something that requires the NFLPA to get involved.
https://thevikingage.com/2018/01/23/who-will-be-the-vikings-quarterback-2018/The above article puts the odds of the three being QB in 2018:
Sammy...20%
Case...60%
TB...80%
And the reasoning is pretty straightforward. He'd be the least expensive to sign with the best upside.
My fear is we could see a repeat with Sammy's situation...the Vikes are in the midst of a great season and TB goes down with that bad wheel. Who would be our backup and could we hope to see Case-clone 2.0?
That would be a fear with anyone. No matter who the QB is, he has to be backed up with someone qualified. Read the 3rd article I linked above. Rick calls the backup QB the 2nd most important position on the roster. And with so few appealing options out there in free agency, I keep coming back to the most ideal situation: Sam and Teddy.
Despite preferences what makes it ideal is we have 2 firsts and a 4 th invested in these 2
Ah, that's not "ideal", that's "justifying spent draft picks". I actually hope the team management is not weighing that as a factor, because it can lead to clouded judgment and weaker decision-making. If a draft pick was a mistake - and I am NOT saying either was, just IF - a smart and confident GM admits it and moves on, rather than handicapping a team with a bad Ponder. I mean bad player.
you’re a little off in your own world of Speilly bashing i think. sure it is ideal. we have 2 franchise QB’s in Teddy and Sam. Whats more ideal than that? a system QB game manager that may get 20 million a year on the open market?
yikes, thank god you're not a GM....Sam/Teddy are FAR from franchise QB's..... and then in the same sentence you call Cousins a system game manager.
just yikes. i rarely call people flat out wrong, it's all opinions mostly...
but that take is just wrong.
pretty sure he was referring to Case as the game manager.oh, my mistake then. for sure. Case is a game manager- did a really good job until the playoffs too for that role.
Sam with a healthy knee would be a franchise QB, and if Teddy never got hurt, i think he would be at this point, at least closer to it. now they have a ton of red flags that scare me, personally.
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