State of the MN Vikings Franchise
Nobody wants the season to end, especially the way it had to happen. But inevitably I knew there would be a morning I'd post my writeup on the current Vikings franchise and how this team is likely much more sustainable than the 2009 team that also fell in the NFC Championship game. The entire front office deserves credit for this. Sustainability in the NFL is hard to come by and is truly a team effort. Cost controllable draft picks, strong cap management, and strategically dipping into FA all have to work in harmony. Below I walk through each position as we enter the off-season while taking a look at the cap and adding some high level thoughts.
Quarterback:
- Under Contract: Kyle Sloter
- Not Under Contract: Case Keenum (UFA), Sam Bradford (UFA), Teddy Bridgewater (UFA)
Running Back:
- Under Contract: Dalvin Cook, Latavius Murray, C.J. Ham
- Not Under Contract: Jerrick McKinnon (UFA), Bishop Sankey (RFA), Mack Brown (ERFA)
Tight End:
- Under Contract: Kyle Rudolph, David Morgan, Blake Bell, Nick Truesdell (PS)
- Not Under Contract: None
Wide Receiver:
- Under Contract: Adam Thielen, Stefon Diggs, Laquon Treadwell, Jarius Wright, Stacy Coley, Brandon Zystra, Rodney Adams (PS), Cayleb Jones (PS)
- Not Under Contract: Michael Floyd (UFA)
Exterior O-Line:
- Under Contract: Riley Reiff, Mike Remmers, Rashod Hill, Aviante Collins, Cedrick Lang (PS), Dieugot Joseph (PS)
- Not Under Contract: None
Interior O-Line:
- Under Contract: Pat Elflein, Cornelius Edison, Danny Isidora,
- Not Under Contract: Nick Easton (RFA), Jeremiah Sirles (RFA), Joe Berger (UFA)
Edge Rushers:
- Under Contract: Everson Griffen, Danielle Hunter, Brian Robison, Stephen Weatherly, Tashawn Bower, Ifeadi Odenigbo (PS)
- Not Under Contract: None
Interior D-Line:
- Under Contract: Linval Joseph, Jaleel Johnson, Sharrif Floyd (toll), Caushaud Lyons (PS), Dylan Bradley (PS)
- Not Under Contract: Tom Johnson (UFA), Shamar Stephen (UFA)
Linebacker:
- Under Contract: Eric Kendrick, Anthony Barr, Ben Gedeon, Eric Wilson, Kentrell Brothers, Shaan Washington, Antwione Williams (PS)
- Not Under Contract: Emmanuel Lamur (UFA)
Cornerback:
- Under Contract: Xavier Rhodes, Trae Waynes, Mackenzie Alexander, Horace Richardson (PS)
- Not Under Contract: Terence Newman (UFA), Tramaine Brock (UFA)
Safety:
- Under Contract: Harrison Smith, Andrew Sendejo, Jayron Kearse, Jack Tocho (PS)
- Not Under Contract: Anthony Harris (ERFA)
Special Teams:
- Under Contract: Ryan Quigley, Kevin McDermott
- Not Under Contract: Kai Forbath (UFA), Marcus Sherels (UFA), Jeff Overbaugh (ERFA)
Thanks Geoff!
Though, I was really hoping to read this a couple of weeks from now...
@"Ilovebigtd's" said: what are the chances that they give teddy a shot next year?They're not going to make any decisions until they know what is available externally.
Great stuff Geoff. Roster constructing to me is almost as fun as watching the Games themselves.
My first observation is Alex Smith. Game Manager who also has the arm talent to take advantage of Thielen/Diggs. My biggest gripe with Keenum is he holds the. ball too long looking for chunk plays. Later in the season that started to lead to more drive killing sacks and turnovers.
Smith will take what the Defense is giving him instead of always looking for the big play. At the same time, when that chunk play presents itself he was more than good enough to make it happen as this season proved. And he's an effective runner.
Next priority for me is OT. Remmers is League Average. That was a massive upgrade over the previous year, but still not good enough. He was also banged up a ton. Hill to me is what you state, a great swing Tackle. Not a permanent Starter.
3T also needs addressing. It's troublesome that the team used their third overall pick on a kid that didn't play one freaking down this year. There was a lot of talent on the Board that Rick passed on to take this kid. And he will hopefully still develop.
To that end I would look solely in FA for an upgrade. Can't justify using back to back high picks on this role but it's crucial to get production in the pass rush to make Mike's scheme work. I look at how that kid came over from the Bills to the Jags and made a huge difference for them and think Minnesota can do the same thing. This also buys time for JJ to develop.
DE is next on my list. Despite popular belief, Zimmer historically likes to show pressure and then not blitz. Hunter didn't flash as a Starter like he did as a situational rusher, which is to be expected. But that puts too much onus on Griffin. Especially with no threat from the 3T.
I don't like how Weatherly and Bowers weren't in any kind of rotation with Griffin and Hunter. Zimmer rotated a ton of the D-Line in Cincinnati including with young players. He needs to get back to doing that in Minnesota. It keeps guys freaher and makes them less reliant on one guy. If BPA in Round 2 or 3 is a DE go for it.
I'd look pass catching TE in FA to pair with Rudolph and Morgan.
Now for the controversial stuff. Sendejo was awful last night. My worst case scenario was making the Super Bowl and having Bellicheat scheme some looks where he ended up with Gronk in coverage.
Instead it was Ertz. And guess who else couldn't cover him? Smith. This team needs a Safety that can run with TEs and play Center Field. That simply isn't what Sendejo does best. Really, his strengths are also the same as Harrison's, only not as good. That isn't a complimentary player, it's a very good backup.
We saw opposing Safeties in both games that can cover short, intermediate and deep routes. Smith is best used around the short to intermediate range. Time to finally get someone who can take care of all of it so Harrison can be used to his fullest potential.
And NO on drafting a CB. Mike's reputation isn't in drafting and developing CBs. It's in rehabbing veteran CBs. Time to find Newman or Jones 2.0.
This team is close. And I'm a big believer in taking some post season lumps in order to understand what it takes to win it all. Both the Coaches, Players and FO learned a painful but valuable lesson last night.
Some savvy FA signings and good early Round Drafting will have this Team ready to win it all next year.
@"FSUVike" said:Some savvy FA signings and good early Round Drafting will have this Team ready to win it all next year.
I believe this. At least contending again like they did this year....as good as any team in the NFC or close to it on any given Sunday. We'll see, as the NFL can change so much year to year, but this is my thinking also as of right now.
@"mgobluevikes" said: Why would we keep 2 long snappers?Just to retain Overbaugh's rights for the time being. Basically it would be the cheapest insurance policy you can buy.
I'm really on the fence about Keenum and (as I spewed all last night) the D has me concerned.
Case had a 73 QBR against the Saints and Eagles.
He's very good when the game is manageable and the D keeps it close. Beyond that? I have my doubts.
Problem is, I don't see a slam-dunk successor on this team right now. I see 3 qb's and when you say you have more than 1 qb on the team? Well we all know too well what that means.
The D gave up 62 pts (?) the last 6 qtrs of the season. Harkens me back to Indy & GB last season. Teams have found a way to win against that personnel and scheme as this D tends to collapse at times for reasons beyond my football comprehension.
Otherwise, I think Guru and FSU have nailed the big points and areas in need of upgrade.
Ain't all going to happen in one offseason either. Am hoping (no believing) we have the nucleus to keep us a double-digit win team and in the post season dance for a # of years to come.
Wentz puts Philly a bit ahead of us, but we are looking at ourselves pretty hard in the mirror right now I think. We need a QB like Smith (someone who can TRULY use our great WRs), one more OL, a 3T that is what Floyd was, and another piece to the secondary for depth away from the SB.
We need to stop thinking the NFCC is our GET-TO and win the big one. Zim played soft the last 6-quarters of the season. I love big Z, but why did he take his foot off of the gas? Look at what Parcells did instead of Lewis when they got to the playoffs.
couple names of note.
Jonathan Joseph for that CB depth
Geno Atkins, dude is still a monster but has 2-3 years left at this level. I wonder what it would take for a trade. 2nd and a conditional mid round in 19’?
These two added to the defense with Rounds 1,3, and 4 focused on OL (LG and RT) and WR would be nice.
My guess at the QB BATTERY in summer camp
Alex Smith, Teddy Bridgewater, Kyle Sloter
@"Geoff Nichols" said:I think they probably have seen enough of both to know who they should keep based on age, performance, and contract. I didn't see any drop off when McDermott went down. Who's younger and cheaper? I know in the grand scheme of things LS aren't a money issue, but why have them take up space when clearly there are more pressing positions that need depth?@"mgobluevikes" said: Why would we keep 2 long snappers? Just to retain Overbaugh's rights for the time being. Basically it would be the cheapest insurance policy you can buy.
@"Skodin" said: couple names of note.Jonathan Joseph for that CB depth
Geno Atkins, dude is still a monster but has 2-3 years left at this level. I wonder what it would take for a trade. 2nd and a conditional mid round in 19’?
These two added to the defense with Rounds 1,3, and 4 focused on OL (LG and RT) and WR would be nice.
My guess at the QB BATTERY in summer camp
Alex Smith, Teddy Bridgewater, Kyle Sloter
we dont have a 3rd round pick this year...philly gets it for the bradford trade.
and what are the odds that Teddy wants to stay as a back up, or that Smith would come here if he has to compete with Teddy? They both want to be the #1 and both are likely not wanting to share snaps as Teddy needs all he can get to shake the rust off and any FA QB would want all they could get in a new system. I think Teddy will draw interest from a few teams that would have more attractive paths to the #1 spot than battling Smith in Minny. I wish we really knew how ready Teddy was to return. I can over look that little glimpse we saw against the bengals, just over amped, but just how ready is he to have guys flying around that knee?
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Skodin" said: couple names of note.Jonathan Joseph for that CB depth
Geno Atkins, dude is still a monster but has 2-3 years left at this level. I wonder what it would take for a trade. 2nd and a conditional mid round in 19’?
These two added to the defense with Rounds 1,3, and 4 focused on OL (LG and RT) and WR would be nice.
My guess at the QB BATTERY in summer camp
Alex Smith, Teddy Bridgewater, Kyle Sloter
we dont have a 3rd round pick this year...philly gets it for the bradford trade.and what are the odds that Teddy wants to stay as a back up, or that Smith would come here if he has to compete with Teddy? They both want to be the #1 and both are likely not wanting to share snaps as Teddy needs all he can get to shake the rust off and any FA QB would want all they could get in a new system. I think Teddy will draw interest from a few teams that would have more attractive paths to the #1 spot than battling Smith in Minny. I wish we really knew how ready Teddy was to return. I can over look that little glimpse we saw against the bengals, just over amped, but just how ready is he to have guys flying around that knee?
No one is making Teddy a starter wherever he goes. Why wouldnt Alex Smith want to come here? Good money, great weapons, a top 5 defense and a chance to get to the Super Bowl. He did fine when SF and KC drafted his replacement, having Teddy to compete will be nothing different for him. Name a better destination for a QB?I wish we saw more of Teddy as well, or if Sam’s knees could respond after a game or two but we didn’t.
| Ben Goessling retweeted | ||
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Jerick McKinnon said he appreciated his role this season with the Vikings, but as he heads to free agency, he’d ideally like to go somewhere he can be the featured back: “I want bigger and better things for myself. We’ll see what happens.” #Vikings | ||
@"Norse" said:
Ben Goessling retweeted Chris Hine 52m Jerick McKinnon said he appreciated his role this season with the Vikings, but as he heads to free agency, he’d ideally like to go somewhere he can be the featured back: “I want bigger and better things for myself. We’ll see what happens.” #Vikings
@"Norse" said:
Ben Goessling retweeted Chris Hine 52m Jerick McKinnon said he appreciated his role this season with the Vikings, but as he heads to free agency, he’d ideally like to go somewhere he can be the featured back: “I want bigger and better things for myself. We’ll see what happens.” #Vikings
What's the deal with Floyd and Treadwell having so little
production? You'd think that between the
2 of them, they'd be able to stumble into something that resembles an NFL
receiver, but combined they have less than 280 yards. Is there something in our scheme or something
in Case that is inhibiting them? Floyd
has had multiple years hovering around 1000 yds, so it’s not like he’s
completely worthless. I would hope that
any FA X receiver we bring in would at least be able to get at least 500 yards.
@"Ilovebigtd's" said: its really fucked up that teddy most likely wont get a chance to play for this team. you lose your job to injury and not performance....smh. give him a shotif he isnt here he is losing his job to not having a contract.
@"mgobluevikes" said:you missed the punt block in the saints game?@"Geoff Nichols" said:I think they probably have seen enough of both to know who they should keep based on age, performance, and contract. I didn't see any drop off when McDermott went down. Who's younger and cheaper? I know in the grand scheme of things LS aren't a money issue, but why have them take up space when clearly there are more pressing positions that need depth?@"mgobluevikes" said: Why would we keep 2 long snappers? Just to retain Overbaugh's rights for the time being. Basically it would be the cheapest insurance policy you can buy.
@"medaille" said: What's the deal with Floyd and Treadwell having so little production? You'd think that between the 2 of them, they'd be able to stumble into something that resembles an NFL receiver, but combined they have less than 280 yards. Is there something in our scheme or something in Case that is inhibiting them? Floyd has had multiple years hovering around 1000 yds, so it’s not like he’s completely worthless. I would hope that any FA X receiver we bring in would at least be able to get at least 500 yards.
2 really good starters our there in Diggs and Theilen...Not many catches left after the 2 of em. I'd like to believe we're 3 deep, but not sure!
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