State of the MN Vikings Franchise

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said: Why would we keep 2 long snappers?

Just to retain Overbaugh's rights for the time being. Basically it would be the cheapest insurance policy you can buy.  

I think they probably have seen enough of both to know who they should keep based on age, performance, and contract. I didn't see any drop off when McDermott went down. Who's younger and cheaper? I know in the grand scheme of things LS aren't a money issue, but why have them take up space when clearly there are more pressing positions that need depth?

@"Norse" said:

Ben Goessling retweeted
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	Jerick McKinnon said he appreciated his role this season with the Vikings, but as he heads to free agency, he’d ideally like to go somewhere he can be the featured back: “I want bigger and better things for myself. We’ll see what happens.” #Vikings

@"AGRforever" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said: Why would we keep 2 long snappers?

Just to retain Overbaugh's rights for the time being. Basically it would be the cheapest insurance policy you can buy.  

I think they probably have seen enough of both to know who they should keep based on age, performance, and contract. I didn't see any drop off when McDermott went down. Who's younger and cheaper? I know in the grand scheme of things LS aren't a money issue, but why have them take up space when clearly there are more pressing positions that need depth?

you missed the punt block in the saints game?

@"PSBLAKE" said:

@"Norse" said:

Ben Goessling retweeted
	Chris Hine @ChristopherHine	52m
	Jerick McKinnon said he appreciated his role this season with the Vikings, but as he heads to free agency, he’d ideally like to go somewhere he can be the featured back: “I want bigger and better things for myself. We’ll see what happens.” #Vikings

I love Jet but he will not find a team where he gets a bigger role.  He is what he is a part time change of pace back and that is all. 

Case looks for Adam and Diggs on every play unless Shurmer specifically calls for the play to go to someone else.

I don't really blame him, but the really good QBs don't lock.onto one or two guys every play. Well, Ben does sometimes with Brown, but can you blame him either? 

More cerebral guys will read the Defense and adjust to the WR they feel has the best chance to get open based on what they are seeing.  They also know that helps open things up more because it forces the Defense to react to your #3 and #4 WRs killing their Nickel and Dime CBs.

That's another knock against both Case and Teddy. They're both guys who go with the called play and rarely audible into anything else. Sure, both will go through progressions post-snap when the primary read is covered. But they're not guys who beat you pre-snap.

I want a QB that can read Defenses and audible out of runs into stacked boxes and makes the right decisions to involve more playmakers besides the Big Two.

@"PSBLAKE" said:

@"Norse" said:

Ben Goessling retweeted
	Chris Hine @ChristopherHine	52m
	Jerick McKinnon said he appreciated his role this season with the Vikings, but as he heads to free agency, he’d ideally like to go somewhere he can be the featured back: “I want bigger and better things for myself. We’ll see what happens.” #Vikings

I love Jet but he will not find a team where he gets a bigger role.  He is what he is a part time change of pace back and that is all. 

@"FSUVike" said: Case looks for Adam and Diggs on every play unless Shurmer specifically calls for the play to go to someone else.

I don't really blame him, but the really good QBs don't lock.onto one or two guys every play. Well, Ben does sometimes with Brown, but can you blame him either? 

More cerebral guys will read the Defense and adjust to the WR they feel has the best chance to get open based on what they are seeing.  They also know that helps open things up more because it forces the Defense to react to your #3 and #4 WRs killing their Nickel and Dime CBs.

That's another knock against both Case and Teddy. They're both guys who go with the called play and rarely audible into anything else. Sure, both will go through progressions post-snap when the primary read is covered. But they're not guys who beat you pre-snap.

I want a QB that can read Defenses and audible out of runs into stacked boxes and makes the right decisions to involve more playmakers besides the Big Two.

@"FSUVike" said: Case looks for Adam and Diggs on every play unless Shurmer specifically calls for the play to go to someone else.

I don't really blame him, but the really good QBs don't lock.onto one or two guys every play. Well, Ben does sometimes with Brown, but can you blame him either? 

More cerebral guys will read the Defense and adjust to the WR they feel has the best chance to get open based on what they are seeing.  They also know that helps open things up more because it forces the Defense to react to your #3 and #4 WRs killing their Nickel and Dime CBs.

That's another knock against both Case and Teddy. They're both guys who go with the called play and rarely audible into anything else. Sure, both will go through progressions post-snap when the primary read is covered. But they're not guys who beat you pre-snap.

I want a QB that can read Defenses and audible out of runs into stacked boxes and makes the right decisions to involve more playmakers besides the Big Two.

But on a more serious note, I do agree that Keenum can get stuck on his reads from time to time. The good thing is that both Diggs and Thielen get good seperation and can give him a target rather quickly. 

@"NodakViking" said:

@"PSBLAKE" said:

@"Norse" said:

Ben Goessling retweeted
	Chris Hine @ChristopherHine	52m
	Jerick McKinnon said he appreciated his role this season with the Vikings, but as he heads to free agency, he’d ideally like to go somewhere he can be the featured back: “I want bigger and better things for myself. We’ll see what happens.” #Vikings

I love Jet but he will not find a team where he gets a bigger role.  He is what he is a part time change of pace back and that is all. 

I agree but I think he could be a starter in a shared backfield, like McCaffery and Stewart.

I'd prefer him over Murray if I had to choose who to pay equal dollar amounts to.

See, I think Alex Smith is the kind of player an OC can trust. He's been in several different systems and has usually been allowed to audible.

Any more it seems most plays come in from the sidelines with both a run and pass option based on what the QB srrs the Defense doing. The last few years it just feels like whichever QB was under Center was just going to roll with the initial call.

Give me a guy like Smith who will see Jarius lined up on a scrub or rookie or Floyd or Treadwell having a significant height advantage and take that opportunity vs. always throwing to guys who routinely get double covered.
 

Ive never been a huge Smith fan, but the guy is a trustworthy winner. Put him in with our D and we win 12-13 games while Sloter develops or we draft our guy. I still love Teddy, but is his knee going to make it?
With how open our guys ALWAYS are, get an accurate, safe passer in here who can hit one or two over the top a game, give us 1 more OL in the draft to allow Hill to move back to the bench and suddenly our O is really good. Get the replacement 3DT and suddenly we are right back here next year but talking about our win.

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said: Why would we keep 2 long snappers?

Just to retain Overbaugh's rights for the time being. Basically it would be the cheapest insurance policy you can buy.  

I think they probably have seen enough of both to know who they should keep based on age, performance, and contract. I didn't see any drop off when McDermott went down. Who's younger and cheaper? I know in the grand scheme of things LS aren't a money issue, but why have them take up space when clearly there are more pressing positions that need depth?

you missed the punt block in the saints game?

yer blaming that on the snap?

@"Neptizzle" said: Ive never been a huge Smith fan, but the guy is a trustworthy winner. Put him in with our D and we win 12-13 games while Sloter develops or we draft our guy. I still love Teddy, but is his knee going to make it? With how open our guys ALWAYS are, get an accurate, safe passer in here who can hit one or two over the top a game, give us 1 more OL in the draft to allow Hill to move back to the bench and suddenly our O is really good. Get the replacement 3DT and suddenly we are right back here next year but talking about our win.

Thanks for the analysis.  I have to call out this: "Ryan Quigley had one the best seasons for a punter in Vikings history and should return without competition."  Really?!  I hope you don't try to run that past Greg Coleman or Mitch Berger.  Quigley was DEAD LAST among qualifying punters in gross punting average (34th in league and a full yard worse than #33).  He did a good job avoiding touch backs, but even his net average, with a good cover team was 29th in the league.  Inside the 20?  A stupid stat since no one is happy if the punter gets a fair catch at the 18 yard line when punting from mid-field -- but Quigley was a respectable tied for 10th.  I'd debate the notion that it is worth having Quigley back at all; vehemently disagree that he should not have competition; and flat out questions your sanity to say he had "one of the best seasons for a punter in Vikings history."

@"Purpleblooded" said: Thanks for the analysis.  I have to call out this: "Ryan Quigley had one the best seasons for a punter in Vikings history and should return without competition."  Really?!  I hope you don't try to run that past Greg Coleman or Mitch Berger.  Quigley was DEAD LAST among qualifying punters in gross punting average (34th in league and a full yard worse than #33).  He did a good job avoiding touch backs, but even his net average, with a good cover team was 29th in the league.  Inside the 20?  A stupid stat since no one is happy if the punter gets a fair catch at the 18 yard line when punting from mid-field -- but Quigley was a respectable tied for 10th.  I'd debate the notion that it is worth having Quigley back at all; vehemently disagree that he should not have competition; and flat out questions your sanity to say he had "one of the best seasons for a punter in Vikings history."

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"Purpleblooded" said: Thanks for the analysis.  I have to call out this: "Ryan Quigley had one the best seasons for a punter in Vikings history and should return without competition."  Really?!  I hope you don't try to run that past Greg Coleman or Mitch Berger.  Quigley was DEAD LAST among qualifying punters in gross punting average (34th in league and a full yard worse than #33).  He did a good job avoiding touch backs, but even his net average, with a good cover team was 29th in the league.  Inside the 20?  A stupid stat since no one is happy if the punter gets a fair catch at the 18 yard line when punting from mid-field -- but Quigley was a respectable tied for 10th.  I'd debate the notion that it is worth having Quigley back at all; vehemently disagree that he should not have competition; and flat out questions your sanity to say he had "one of the best seasons for a punter in Vikings history."

Ask Preifer. The Vikings don't kick for distance. They kick for coverage. 

As mentioned above, we kick for coverage.  We were #1 in fewest touchbacks (0), #1 in fair catches by a wide margin - 33, #2 Indy had 27; we were 6th in fewest punts returned.    Not as good at punts inside the 20 as it felt from just watching - a 6 way tie for 17th which is bottom half.

forgive me if this is a stupid question ( i dont know contract rules like some of you guys!) but if we lose McKinnon or Teddy or Sam are we owed any compensatory picks?  I know we have no contracts with Teddy and Sam.  Can we use a transition tag or something so if they walk we at least get a draft pick as consolation?

Is McKinnon going to head to NYG?

@"medaille" said:What's the deal with Floyd and Treadwell having so little production?  You'd think that between the 2 of them, they'd be able to stumble into something that resembles an NFL receiver, but combined they have less than 280 yards.  Is there something in our scheme or something in Case that is inhibiting them?  Floyd has had multiple years hovering around 1000 yds, so it’s not like he’s completely worthless.  I would hope that any FA X receiver we bring in would at least be able to get at least 500 yards.
Case seems to rarely make it to his third or fourth reads and has a tendency to just force plays to Thielen and Diggs. Thankfully, they are good enough to win those contested matchups more often than not, but it lead to some really ill-advised plays. With Treadwell, he did make some plays and even drew pass interferences when given the chance, but he was almost like a 4th read for Case. Case would look for Thielen, Diggs, try to force it to one of them, and then look to Treadwell. Wright got more opportunities, but I agree with others who think Wright had designed plays where he was the first or second read.
As for Floyd, he just does not look as fast and athletic as he was in Arizona. To be fair, the dude has gone through a lot over the past two years, so his training may have slipped as he's shifted his focus to working on other areas of his life. Not sure if that's the case, but he was used more as a blocker than as a receiver.