ESPN: 'Vikings cannot let Keenum walk after this season'

@"SFVikingFan" said:

@"Tom Moore" said: I have long said that Sam has the best arm, but untrustworthy on health.  Case is like Favre (not as good yet) - ballsy gunslinger with emotion and right leadership attitude.

Teddy is one of the nicest guys ever, but so mild mannered and still uncertain on the deep throws or what condition he is really in after a major, major knee rebuild.

I'd go Case, and sign Sam too.  Lock-up $30M+ in the QB position over the next 2 years.  We have the cap space and then you hedge your bet of a mistake and risk Bridgewater becoming a star.  If you do that, and it fails, Viking fans will realize you made the safest bet you could.

Tom, any insight into Bridgewater's mind?  I was a little taken back that he wasn't in the locker room for very long at all after the game Sunday.  Maybe he just doesn't want to be a distraction, or is he starting to distance himself from the team a little more, especially after Sam was named the backup on Sunday?  Did you get any sense either way from him or the team on Sunday?

@"AGRforever" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: He deserves to be retained on a team friendly long-term deal or the franchise tag, he doesn't deserve to have the 2018 starting job handed to him. 

only time ive ever disageed with you. ive turned into a case homer!!!  In my mind you do what hes done, its his job to lose in 2018. 

Now if we go into training camp and hes gained 50#s and hasnt seen the inside of a gym then yeah he’ll lose the job. But to me its kind of an insult to not have him as #1 on the depth chart 

@"SFVikingFan" said:

@"Tom Moore" said: I have long said that Sam has the best arm, but untrustworthy on health.  Case is like Favre (not as good yet) - ballsy gunslinger with emotion and right leadership attitude.

Teddy is one of the nicest guys ever, but so mild mannered and still uncertain on the deep throws or what condition he is really in after a major, major knee rebuild.

I'd go Case, and sign Sam too.  Lock-up $30M+ in the QB position over the next 2 years.  We have the cap space and then you hedge your bet of a mistake and risk Bridgewater becoming a star.  If you do that, and it fails, Viking fans will realize you made the safest bet you could.

Tom, any insight into Bridgewater's mind?  I was a little taken back that he wasn't in the locker room for very long at all after the game Sunday.  Maybe he just doesn't want to be a distraction, or is he starting to distance himself from the team a little more, especially after Sam was named the backup on Sunday?  Did you get any sense either way from him or the team on Sunday?

My guess is Teddy didn't want to answer questions about being deactivated after that game-you know that would have been one of the things the media would have been looking for even after that ending.  I think it was a good move, don't tempt them or give them anything to use for controversy at this point in time.  He seemed actively engaged on the sidelines and he has always seemed close and engaged with his teammates-I doubt he goes all pouty bitch now-just not his MO to this point I his career.

The height of arrogance to let him leave? What the hell does that mean? Everyone is for having a contract conversation with Case Keenum. Whether we sign him or not depends on how much his agent thinks he's worth vs. how much the Vikings think he's worth. Those two things may not be as close as Seifert thinks, especially considering the fact that we have two other talented QBs who may factor into the decision. 

Lemme see a healthy QB with plenty of pocket awareness, makes clutch throws, and is on the brink of taking his team to the superbowl vs. 2 QB's with highly questionable health histories, and some spotty performance track records.... Who ya gonna sign first?

@"MaroonBells" said: The height of arrogance to let him leave? What the hell does that mean? Everyone is for having a contract conversation with Case Keenum. Whether we sign him or not depends on how much his agent thinks he's worth vs. how much the Vikings think he's worth. Those two things may not be as close as Seifert thinks, especially considering the fact that we have two other talented QBs who may factor into the decision. 

I think the arrogance would be in the organization believing that Case is a placeholder and that any semi-competent QB could have accomplished the same results given the tools around him, and the defense keeping us in games. Pretty sure that was the consensus among a lot of people for most of his time as a starter. Zimmer didn't give him much credit with the "horseshoe up his butt" comment. I would hope that maybe even the experts could admit that they had it all wrong, and while not perfect, Case has the intangibles that make him a bonafide upper tier NFL starter. This was no Trent Dilfer type situation. 

@"mgobluevikes" said: Lemme see a healthy QB with plenty of pocket awareness, makes clutch throws, and is on the brink of taking his team to the superbowl vs. 2 QB's with highly questionable health histories, and some spotty performance track records.... Who ya gonna sign first?

Yep, with each win Case is making the decision easier for the Vikes.  The question still remains when does he have enough wins?  If they lose Sunday, did he do enough, or does he need to get to the SB?

Personally, I'd be shocked if Case isn't a Viking next season.  The guy has consistantly exceeded any realistic expectations, and the team loves him.  No way are they going to let him walk without an offer.

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: The height of arrogance to let him leave? What the hell does that mean? Everyone is for having a contract conversation with Case Keenum. Whether we sign him or not depends on how much his agent thinks he's worth vs. how much the Vikings think he's worth. Those two things may not be as close as Seifert thinks, especially considering the fact that we have two other talented QBs who may factor into the decision. 

I think the arrogance would be in the organization believing that Case is a placeholder and that any semi-competent QB could have accomplished the same results given the tools around him, and the defense keeping us in games. Pretty sure that was the consensus among a lot of people for most of his time as a starter. Zimmer didn't give him much credit with the "horseshoe up his butt" comment. I would hope that maybe even the experts could admit that they had it all wrong, and while not perfect, Case has the intangibles that make him a bonafide upper tier NFL starter. At least for now.

Case will be back if the price is reasonable.  Then resign Teddy or Sam as the backup.  I'm good.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: The height of arrogance to let him leave? What the hell does that mean? Everyone is for having a contract conversation with Case Keenum. Whether we sign him or not depends on how much his agent thinks he's worth vs. how much the Vikings think he's worth. Those two things may not be as close as Seifert thinks, especially considering the fact that we have two other talented QBs who may factor into the decision. 

I think the arrogance would be in the organization believing that Case is a placeholder and that any semi-competent QB could have accomplished the same results given the tools around him, and the defense keeping us in games. Pretty sure that was the consensus among a lot of people for most of his time as a starter. Zimmer didn't give him much credit with the "horseshoe up his butt" comment. I would hope that maybe even the experts could admit that they had it all wrong, and while not perfect, Case has the intangibles that make him a bonafide upper tier NFL starter. At least for now.

is he or isnt he?  you hedged your comment with the "at least for now".    I get it,  he has question marks especially with the changes coming at OC,  so when talking about the future its really hard to say he is going to be worth paying upper tier money as you say he is.

@"SFVikingFan" said:

@"Tom Moore" said: I have long said that Sam has the best arm, but untrustworthy on health.  Case is like Favre (not as good yet) - ballsy gunslinger with emotion and right leadership attitude.

Teddy is one of the nicest guys ever, but so mild mannered and still uncertain on the deep throws or what condition he is really in after a major, major knee rebuild.

I'd go Case, and sign Sam too.  Lock-up $30M+ in the QB position over the next 2 years.  We have the cap space and then you hedge your bet of a mistake and risk Bridgewater becoming a star.  If you do that, and it fails, Viking fans will realize you made the safest bet you could.

Tom, any insight into Bridgewater's mind?  I was a little taken back that he wasn't in the locker room for very long at all after the game Sunday.  Maybe he just doesn't want to be a distraction, or is he starting to distance himself from the team a little more, especially after Sam was named the backup on Sunday?  Did you get any sense either way from him or the team on Sunday?

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"SFVikingFan" said:

@"Tom Moore" said: I have long said that Sam has the best arm, but untrustworthy on health.  Case is like Favre (not as good yet) - ballsy gunslinger with emotion and right leadership attitude.

Teddy is one of the nicest guys ever, but so mild mannered and still uncertain on the deep throws or what condition he is really in after a major, major knee rebuild.

I'd go Case, and sign Sam too.  Lock-up $30M+ in the QB position over the next 2 years.  We have the cap space and then you hedge your bet of a mistake and risk Bridgewater becoming a star.  If you do that, and it fails, Viking fans will realize you made the safest bet you could.

Tom, any insight into Bridgewater's mind?  I was a little taken back that he wasn't in the locker room for very long at all after the game Sunday.  Maybe he just doesn't want to be a distraction, or is he starting to distance himself from the team a little more, especially after Sam was named the backup on Sunday?  Did you get any sense either way from him or the team on Sunday?

Initial appearances tell me that is a huge 360 for the kid. That not being dressed for the divisional round was a big deal.

Then again, he may just not want to be a distraction for Case.

We'll see...

@"AGRforever" said:

@"SFVikingFan" said:

@"Tom Moore" said: I have long said that Sam has the best arm, but untrustworthy on health.  Case is like Favre (not as good yet) - ballsy gunslinger with emotion and right leadership attitude.

Teddy is one of the nicest guys ever, but so mild mannered and still uncertain on the deep throws or what condition he is really in after a major, major knee rebuild.

I'd go Case, and sign Sam too.  Lock-up $30M+ in the QB position over the next 2 years.  We have the cap space and then you hedge your bet of a mistake and risk Bridgewater becoming a star.  If you do that, and it fails, Viking fans will realize you made the safest bet you could.

Tom, any insight into Bridgewater's mind?  I was a little taken back that he wasn't in the locker room for very long at all after the game Sunday.  Maybe he just doesn't want to be a distraction, or is he starting to distance himself from the team a little more, especially after Sam was named the backup on Sunday?  Did you get any sense either way from him or the team on Sunday?

Do you honestly think either would go into an open compitition training camp when they both would be day 1 starters on other teams?

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: The height of arrogance to let him leave? What the hell does that mean? Everyone is for having a contract conversation with Case Keenum. Whether we sign him or not depends on how much his agent thinks he's worth vs. how much the Vikings think he's worth. Those two things may not be as close as Seifert thinks, especially considering the fact that we have two other talented QBs who may factor into the decision. 

I think the arrogance would be in the organization believing that Case is a placeholder and that any semi-competent QB could have accomplished the same results given the tools around him, and the defense keeping us in games. Pretty sure that was the consensus among a lot of people for most of his time as a starter. Zimmer didn't give him much credit with the "horseshoe up his butt" comment. I would hope that maybe even the experts could admit that they had it all wrong, and while not perfect, Case has the intangibles that make him a bonafide upper tier NFL starter. At least for now.

is he or isnt he?  you hedged your comment with the "at least for now".    I get it,  he has question marks especially with the changes coming at OC,  so when talking about the future its really hard to say he is going to be worth paying upper tier money as you say he is.

With a year like this, I think you have to give him a 3-5 year deal. Of course Brez can do his voodoo magic that protects the team if he flames out after  a year or 2, but given his body of work this year, he's earned the paycheck, every bit as much as whoever else they could envision in that role. The new OC is going to be a wild card for everyone. 

For me, if the team doctors feel comfortable with their
knees, I’m comfortable with all 3 QBs going into next year.  If one guy demands $25M and the other will
take $10-15M, I would have no problems going with the cheaper option for 2018.  I think we’re the most complete team in the league,
roster-wise.  We shouldn’t have too much
turnover next year.  The biggest concern
I have is that our offense will regress with lesser quality play calling like
the Falcons did this year.

 @"JimmyinSD" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:
The height of arrogance to let him leave? What the hell does that mean? Everyone is for having a contract conversation with Case Keenum. Whether we sign him or not depends on how much his agent thinks he's worth vs. how much the Vikings think he's worth. Those two things may not be as close as Seifert thinks, especially considering the fact that we have two other talented QBs who may factor into the decision. 

I think the arrogance would be in the organization believing that Case is a placeholder and that any semi-competent QB could have accomplished the same results given the tools around him, and the defense keeping us in games. Pretty sure that was the consensus among a lot of people for most of his time as a starter. Zimmer didn't give him much credit with the "horseshoe up his butt" comment. I would hope that maybe even the experts could admit that they had it all wrong, and while not perfect, Case has the intangibles that make him a bonafide upper tier NFL starter. At least for now.

is he or isnt he?  you hedged your comment with the "at least for now".    I get it,  he has question marks especially with the changes coming at OC,  so when talking about the future its really hard to say he is going to be worth paying upper tier money as you say he is.

With a year like this, I think you have to give him a 3-5 year deal. Of course Brez can do his voodoo magic that protects the team if he flames out after  a year or 2, but given his body of work this year, he's earned the paycheck, every bit as much as whoever else they could envision in that role. The new OC is going to be a wild card for everyone. 

well we can offer a lifetime deal,  but when you talk about contract voodoo,  you get it. 

what would you offer case in guaranteed money and for how long?  its real easy for fans to talk about terms and dollars if they want to ignore real cap implications.   My question to anybody that says we "have" to resign him or he has "earned" a new deal... how much are they willing to spend to make sure Case is the QB next year... or 2 or 3 or.....?  I think it will take 21-24 million for 3 years with about 1.5 to 2 years of that guaranteed or somebody else will lure him away with more guarantees.  I will concede that he has earned a nice payday.... but will his 1 year of success be worth what the market will try and offer?

@"medaille" said: For me, if the team doctors feel comfortable with their knees, I’m comfortable with all 3 QBs going into next year.  If one guy demands $25M and the other will take $10-15M, I would have no problems going with the cheaper option for 2018.  I think we’re the most complete team in the league, roster-wise.  We shouldn’t have too much turnover next year.  The biggest concern I have is that our offense will regress with lesser quality play calling like the Falcons did this year.

one thing I dont want to see come of this is over spend on a middle of the road QB,  yes they are important,  but this offense doesnt need a world beater at QB,  just a solid player that doesnt make a lot of mistakes (basically like Case has done this year)  the quickest way to ruin a good roster is to pay a QB the ridiculous money that some end up getting.  there is a reason that detroit never seems to get ahead,  they overpay their stars.  New Orleans could be crippled if Brees goes his usual route and takes as much as he can get or walks.  Brady is not stupid,  he knows that he will make more in endorsements and other shit if the team keeps winning super bowls so he plays for less... I would think that would be a lesson to the rest of the QBs that want what hes got..... but alas Aaron just wants to get paid.

@"mgobluevikes" said:  @"JimmyinSD" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: The height of arrogance to let him leave? What the hell does that mean? Everyone is for having a contract conversation with Case Keenum. Whether we sign him or not depends on how much his agent thinks he's worth vs. how much the Vikings think he's worth. Those two things may not be as close as Seifert thinks, especially considering the fact that we have two other talented QBs who may factor into the decision. 

I think the arrogance would be in the organization believing that Case is a placeholder and that any semi-competent QB could have accomplished the same results given the tools around him, and the defense keeping us in games. Pretty sure that was the consensus among a lot of people for most of his time as a starter. Zimmer didn't give him much credit with the "horseshoe up his butt" comment. I would hope that maybe even the experts could admit that they had it all wrong, and while not perfect, Case has the intangibles that make him a bonafide upper tier NFL starter. At least for now.

is he or isnt he?  you hedged your comment with the "at least for now".    I get it,  he has question marks especially with the changes coming at OC,  so when talking about the future its really hard to say he is going to be worth paying upper tier money as you say he is.

With a year like this, I think you have to give him a 3-5 year deal. Of course Brez can do his voodoo magic that protects the team if he flames out after  a year or 2, but given his body of work this year, he's earned the paycheck, every bit as much as whoever else they could envision in that role. The new OC is going to be a wild card for everyone. 

well we can offer a lifetime deal,  but when you talk about contract voodoo,  you get it. 

what would you offer case in guaranteed money and for how long?  its real easy for fans to talk about terms and dollars if they want to ignore real cap implications.   My question to anybody that says we "have" to resign him or he has "earned" a new deal... how much are they willing to spend to make sure Case is the QB next year... or 2 or 3 or.....?  I think it will take 21-24 million for 3 years with about 1.5 to 2 years of that guaranteed or somebody else will lure him away with more guarantees.  I will concede that he has earned a nice payday.... but will his 1 year of success be worth what the market will try and offer?

I honestly don't know the numbers game. I think I heard Cousins is going to be in the 25 million range, but obviously has a much larger body of work  to negotiate that price than Case. Then there is the whole guaranteed money aspect which gets very complicated depending on wording and schedule. This is probably a different deal altogether since the team may include attainable incentives and escalators, that with a substantially lower salary and more guarantees (or vice versa) could make it attractive to both parties to stay.    

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: The height of arrogance to let him leave? What the hell does that mean? Everyone is for having a contract conversation with Case Keenum. Whether we sign him or not depends on how much his agent thinks he's worth vs. how much the Vikings think he's worth. Those two things may not be as close as Seifert thinks, especially considering the fact that we have two other talented QBs who may factor into the decision. 

I think the arrogance would be in the organization believing that Case is a placeholder and that any semi-competent QB could have accomplished the same results given the tools around him, and the defense keeping us in games. Pretty sure that was the consensus among a lot of people for most of his time as a starter. Zimmer didn't give him much credit with the "horseshoe up his butt" comment. I would hope that maybe even the experts could admit that they had it all wrong, and while not perfect, Case has the intangibles that make him a bonafide upper tier NFL starter. At least for now.

is he or isnt he?  you hedged your comment with the "at least for now".    I get it,  he has question marks especially with the changes coming at OC,  so when talking about the future its really hard to say he is going to be worth paying upper tier money as you say he is.