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ESPN: 'Vikings cannot let Keenum walk after this season'

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I agree. I don't dislike Teddy or Sam. I just can't envision the Vikings letting him go after what he's accomplished this season. 

Seifert: Case Keenum has earned the @Vikings 2018 QB job. Would be the height of arrogance to let him leave. Column:

Case closed: Keenum has earned the Vikings' starting job in 2018Minnesota can't walk away from a QB who has the team at the doorstep of its first Super Bowl in 40 years. http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/267017/case-closed-keenum-has-earned-the-vikings-starting-job-in-2018

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#1 · Jan 19, 6:12 AM
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Keeping Keenum seems like an easy decision. Maybe Sam or Teddy could have gotten this far. Maybe. Keenum actually did. He has earned the job.

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#2 · Jan 19, 6:18 AM
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unless hes asking for a huge contact itd be tough to let him walk if we are able to keep the same or similar O. i love Teddy, so unless they can work out something like Geoff has been saying (Teddy for like 8 while case wants 20+) Id say Case is probably the guy. 

is he perfect? no. but he hits that throw when needed, has icewater in his veins for this D. and makes plays in the redzone. 

the guy is almost the opp of sleeves. 

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#3 · Jan 19, 6:31 AM
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We've known this for a while now...But thanks Seifert

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@"purplefaithful" said: We've known this for a while now...But thanks Seifert
Yet...not everyone on this board feels this way.
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@"StickyBun" said:
@"purplefaithful" said: We've known this for a while now...But thanks Seifert
Yet...not everyone on this board feels this way.
Yah, I know...

And I'm not saying sign Keenum for stupid $ or letting Teddy and Sam walk.

I do think we need to see what happens with Case if/when we lose Shurmur. Ideally we have some combination of Case, Bridgewater or Sam and Sloter at TCO in Eagan this summer. 

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@"StickyBun" said:
@"purplefaithful" said: We've known this for a while now...But thanks Seifert
Yet...not everyone on this board feels this way.
I dont think its been a question of should he be resigned the last month or so,  but at what cost,  when the topic of resigning him comes up.   Of the 3 Case deserves the biggest contract offer and thats beyond question,  but there are still questions regarding him and his game that concern myself and others when it comes to how much for how long,   especially with Shurmur leaving.
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@"StickyBun" said:
@"purplefaithful" said: We've known this for a while now...But thanks Seifert
Yet...not everyone on this board feels this way.
Count me in as someone who agrees. The guy continuously outplays his scouting report, and expectations. No way he's done anything but cement his status as starter for 2018.
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He deserves to be retained on a team friendly long-term deal or the franchise tag, he doesn't deserve to have the 2018 starting job handed to him. 

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#9 · Jan 19, 7:30 AM
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@"Geoff Nichols" said: He deserves to be retained on a team friendly long-term deal or the franchise tag, he doesn't deserve to have the 2018 starting job handed to him. 
Agree on the team friendly, long-term deal. Not aligned re: 2018 starter. I don't know why he'd bother to come back for a competition vs being the incumbent. 
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@"Geoff Nichols" said: He deserves to be retained on a team friendly long-term deal or the franchise tag, he doesn't deserve to have the 2018 starting job handed to him. 
I wouldnt even be opposed to pay him starter money for next year with team options for 20 and longer,  but now with a new OC, and new play calling,  I would like to see Case show that he is still going to be able to perform at a similar level.  I dont think the Vikes should really commit long term starter type money to any of the 3 at this point.
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@"purplefaithful" said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said: He deserves to be retained on a team friendly long-term deal or the franchise tag, he doesn't deserve to have the 2018 starting job handed to him. 
Agree on the team friendly, long-term deal. Not aligned re: 2018 starter. I don't know why he'd bother to come back for a competition vs being the incumbent. 
All I am trying to say is that you don't promise him anything. But I would say the same thing for any QB not named Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, etc. 
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I have long said that Sam has the best arm, but untrustworthy on health.  Case is like Favre (not as good yet) - ballsy gunslinger with emotion and right leadership attitude.

Teddy is one of the nicest guys ever, but so mild mannered and still uncertain on the deep throws or what condition he is really in after a major, major knee rebuild.

I'd go Case, and sign Sam too.  Lock-up $30M+ in the QB position over the next 2 years.  We have the cap space and then you hedge your bet of a mistake and risk Bridgewater becoming a star.  If you do that, and it fails, Viking fans will realize you made the safest bet you could.

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Will be fascinating to see how the franchise manages through this...Hopefully we're not dealing with it for another 3+ weeks :)

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@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@"purplefaithful" said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said: He deserves to be retained on a team friendly long-term deal or the franchise tag, he doesn't deserve to have the 2018 starting job handed to him. 
Agree on the team friendly, long-term deal. Not aligned re: 2018 starter. I don't know why he'd bother to come back for a competition vs being the incumbent. 
All I am trying to say is that you don't promise him anything. But I would say the same thing for any QB not named Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, etc. 
I should preface my comments with the following disclaimer: "All comments regarding the status of Case Keenum are stated under the implicit understanding that: 

1) He has 'earned' the job through sustained proven performance, 
2) His performance doesn't regress in any way, and continues to perform in a manner comparable to his current performance. 

Any violation of the aforementioned terms or any performance resembling Trevor Seimian, Christian Ponder, or Brock Osweiler will result in an immediate retraction of the prior stated opinion."
 ;) 

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#15 · Jan 19, 8:12 AM
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I'm similar to Tom. With the love we seem to have for Sloter, keep developing him, sign Case and Teddy (lock up approx. 25M) so our D and all those upcoming stars can be resigned and still maybe 1 or 2 FA to bring in.
Although Sam has the arm, he only has a few games per year left with that knee, so he isn't worth much (he is shot unless he will sign for a 5M per year or less deal). Case gets the Gannon "prove it" starter deal, but lets see.

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@"Tom Moore" said: I have long said that Sam has the best arm, but untrustworthy on health.  Case is like Favre (not as good yet) - ballsy gunslinger with emotion and right leadership attitude.

Teddy is one of the nicest guys ever, but so mild mannered and still uncertain on the deep throws or what condition he is really in after a major, major knee rebuild.

I'd go Case, and sign Sam too.  Lock-up $30M+ in the QB position over the next 2 years.  We have the cap space and then you hedge your bet of a mistake and risk Bridgewater becoming a star.  If you do that, and it fails, Viking fans will realize you made the safest bet you could.


Tom, any insight into Bridgewater's mind?  I was a little taken back that he wasn't in the locker room for very long at all after the game Sunday.  Maybe he just doesn't want to be a distraction, or is he starting to distance himself from the team a little more, especially after Sam was named the backup on Sunday?  Did you get any sense either way from him or the team on Sunday?

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@"SFVikingFan" said:
@"Tom Moore" said: I have long said that Sam has the best arm, but untrustworthy on health.  Case is like Favre (not as good yet) - ballsy gunslinger with emotion and right leadership attitude.

Teddy is one of the nicest guys ever, but so mild mannered and still uncertain on the deep throws or what condition he is really in after a major, major knee rebuild.

I'd go Case, and sign Sam too.  Lock-up $30M+ in the QB position over the next 2 years.  We have the cap space and then you hedge your bet of a mistake and risk Bridgewater becoming a star.  If you do that, and it fails, Viking fans will realize you made the safest bet you could.


Tom, any insight into Bridgewater's mind?  I was a little taken back that he wasn't in the locker room for very long at all after the game Sunday.  Maybe he just doesn't want to be a distraction, or is he starting to distance himself from the team a little more, especially after Sam was named the backup on Sunday?  Did you get any sense either way from him or the team on Sunday?


I was thinking the same thing. It seems at odds with the Teddy we've come to know. 

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#18 · Jan 19, 8:25 AM
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@"SFVikingFan" said:
@"Tom Moore" said: I have long said that Sam has the best arm, but untrustworthy on health.  Case is like Favre (not as good yet) - ballsy gunslinger with emotion and right leadership attitude.

Teddy is one of the nicest guys ever, but so mild mannered and still uncertain on the deep throws or what condition he is really in after a major, major knee rebuild.

I'd go Case, and sign Sam too.  Lock-up $30M+ in the QB position over the next 2 years.  We have the cap space and then you hedge your bet of a mistake and risk Bridgewater becoming a star.  If you do that, and it fails, Viking fans will realize you made the safest bet you could.


Tom, any insight into Bridgewater's mind?  I was a little taken back that he wasn't in the locker room for very long at all after the game Sunday.  Maybe he just doesn't want to be a distraction, or is he starting to distance himself from the team a little more, especially after Sam was named the backup on Sunday?  Did you get any sense either way from him or the team on Sunday?


Initial appearances tell me that is a huge 360 for the kid. That not being dressed for the divisional round was a big deal.

Then again, he may just not want to be a distraction for Case.

We'll see...

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No one doubts Keenum has earned a contract and has proven himself a winning starter.  That doesnt mean you stop looking for a franchise player at that position.  Can Teddy elevate his game to the franchise level?  we dont know.  QB is the most important position on the team and you have to trust the evaluators to make the right call.   personally i would not offer case top 10 money for a LT deal.  just because you pay him Brees type money will not turn him into Brees

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@"Geoff Nichols" said: He deserves to be retained on a team friendly long-term deal or the franchise tag, he doesn't deserve to have the 2018 starting job handed to him. 
only time ive ever disageed with you. ive turned into a case homer!!!  In my mind you do what hes done, its his job to lose in 2018. 

Now if we go into training camp and hes gained 50#s and hasnt seen the inside of a gym then yeah he’ll lose the job. But to me its kind of an insult to not have him as #1 on the depth chart 

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