Case Keenum has “a horseshoe right now” but how long will he have starting job?
MINNEAPOLIS – The Vikings faced second-and-5 from the Los Angeles 30-yard line late in the first quarter Sunday when Case Keenum dropped back and came under heavy pressure.The quarterback managed to evade linebacker Robert Quinn and ducked as linebacker Connor Barwin somehow slipped off him. And then, as he was about to take a hit from defensive tackle Michael Brockers, Keenum lofted the ball into the air.
It came down in Adam Thielen’s hands, a split second before cornerback Trumaine Johnson arrived, for a 12-yard gain to the Rams 18. Five plays later, Latavius Murray scored on an 8-yard run to tie the score at 7 in what became a 24-7 victory for the Vikings.
So Vikings coach Mike Zimmer had to be thrilled with his quarterback’s Houdini-like act to avoid the sack, right?
“Yeah, um, it was a good ending,” Zimmer said afterward showing little enthusiasm for the play.
Zimmer, who has called Keenum excitable in recent weeks, later elaborated on seeing his QB launch a pass that just as easily could have been intercepted. “I’m thinking a lot of things at that point,” he said. “But, he’s got a horseshoe right now.”
http://www.1500espn.com/vikings-2/2017/11/case-keenum-horseshoe-right-now-long-will-starting-job/
Hurry-up Vikings, we ain't getting any younger!
@"greediron" said:@"golfervike" said:@"greediron" said:
What amazes me is the lack of trust people have in the coaches that are paid to do this, have their livelihood depend on it and watch them every day.Nothing amazes me about what people will discuss on a football board. That is what we do. But to think that some man crush would make an NFL coach throw a season down the toilet is rather odd.
TB seemed to learn from his WTF plays and rarely repeated mistakes. But Case and his horseshoe seem to thrive on them, so he isn't exactly cutting out the mistakes.
I hashed it out last week and won't waste more time on it. I think Case is on an unsustainable path. Film and defenses and lady luck will all catch up. That is my opinion and I stand by it. But I enjoy the ride.
I was waiting for this argument to come out.
" The coaches have forgotten more than we'll ever know!"
" Zim sees them every day in practice"OF COURSE the coaches know more than we do, and have their livelihood dependent on this, but does that exclude them from making biased or incorrect decisions? if that was the case nobody would be fired...
And yes, there are proven cases where a Head Coach has tied his wagon to a QB he loves for whatever reason the reason might be. and When did you see Teddy learn from his WTF moments, two years ago? in a Preseason game against the Chargers? that's what you're basing this off of?You're certainly entitled to your opinion and i am mine, i guess it boils down to people's faith in Teddy, who has always had a divided fan base regarding how good of an NFL qb he is/will be, despite everyone loving him as a person.
So in other words, you have some preset arguments you are looking to use? Glad we could check that box.You are amazed that we are debating football on the internet.
And you keep dropping the line that Zim would sacrifice his job because he loves Teddy. That is rather an odd take. The players love playing for Zimmer because he actually cares about them. So for him to talk about how great a young man that Teddy is doesn't mean he would risk his career for that feeling.
As to Teddy learning from his mistakes, that was a common thread in many of the articles I have read on Teddy over the years, and not just Zimmer.
And it doesn't boil down to unreasonable faith in Teddy. It boils down to watching football. I see Case make plenty of WTF plays, but somehow he usually ends up lucky. The "horseshoe theory". Zimmer sees that too. So obviously our eyes are telling us something that a career coach is seeing as well. Is it enough to put a leash on Case? Dunno. That is why we are debating it.
Im going to steal this from someone on another board.It went something like this.
That pass to Rudy was a thing of beauty.
When Rodgers makes that throw they can see Bucks boner from outer space.Edit: I should have asked first. was the Rudy pass a WTF play to you like it was to the person who got the above response.
How about the avoid sack pass to Adam, that has been hashed out as well.
So riddle me this: Teddy takes an AP-centric, archaic Norvel-schemed Offense with a bad Offensive Line and no WRs to 11-5.
But some of you think Zimmer is nuts for wanting to see what he can do with all this talent....
I am definitely a tad confused by all the Teddy love.
Before everyone blasts me, I know he a really great guy and his health comeback is amazing. Having said that I going to throw my two cents in to this thread.
I get the fact that Keenum is a career backup and possibly should be. OTOH, has he ever played on a team with as much surrounding talent? I think he's currently doing an excellent job and no way would I switch QB's.
Funny, maybe I have a short memory but I really don't remember Teddy being an all-world QB by any stretch of the imagination. I know Zimmer loves the guy but like I said I really don't get all the Teddy love. Is he really that good of a QB? Maybe I'm completely off base, wouldn't be the first time.
@"FSUVike" said: So riddle me this: Teddy takes an AP-centric, archaic Norvel-schemed Offense with a bad Offensive Line and no WRs to 11-5.But some of you think Zimmer is nuts for wanting to see what he can do with all this talent....
I don't think he's nuts at all for wanting to see Teddy set up behind this line in Shurmur's offense....and not sure why fans wouldn't be just as curious. But that doesn't have to take away from Keenum and what he's done. No way he's getting benched until he tanks a game and brings up a loss. You can feel both ways, but it seems some in this thread are definitely raising the stubborn bar to a new height.
@"FSUVike" said: So riddle me this: Teddy takes an AP-centric, archaic Norvel-schemed Offense with a bad Offensive Line and no WRs to 11-5.But some of you think Zimmer is nuts for wanting to see what he can do with all this talent....
Ted didn't take anything.
He just happened to be the QB handing the ball off on a pretty good Defensive team.
@"golfervike" said:The difference is that Teddy is the presumptive franchise QB. He was drafted in the first round and appeared well on his way to becoming the QB we drafted him to be. He's the starter and Case is the backup. That's why Case has a short leash and Teddy has gotten and will continue to get a longer one.@"JimmyinSD" said:Like when Teddy held on to the ball for 8 years against the Cardinals and cost us the game? i understand that's cherry picking. but i was not calling for Teddy to be benched after that game, and we shouldnt call for Case to be benched if he has one poor game.@"golfervike" said:thats hardly a fair statement to make. if its another stare the guy down and throw it anyway pick, or chuck it up for grabs when the pressure gets to hot, yes he will catch some shit, but any QB should in those situations. If its a tipped ball or the defender just makes a good play on a well thrown ball.... well thats football.@"Mike Olson" said:Honestly, the next pick he throws, this board is going to freak the hell out. because heaven forbid a QB ever throw an int. Teddy clearly wouldnt have made that pass. (whatever pass it is)@"JimmyinSD" said:Ok but what is the definition of changing the trajectory? Two bad plays? A bad half? A bad game? Two bad games?@"Mike Olson" said: How fair would it be to Bridgewater to ask him to come in after not playing a meaningful football game since Jan 2016 and not screw up the current trajectory? That's a lot of time that he hasn't led a team. And that's a lot of pressure to welcome him back under. If it doesn't work you have a whole locker room full of folks that are going to ask why you went away from a guy that basically saved your season at the QB position. I just don't think we will see Teddy again this year. well not as long as Case keeps doing enough to win. if the trajectory changes I dont think that the team would have any issues with Teddy getting his chance.It seems some of you have convinced yourselves that Case Keenum has replaced Teddy Bridgewater as the "future of the franchise," which is ridiculous in my opinion. We're riding the hot hand and we'll continue to do so as long as he plays well, but in all likelihood Teddy will eventually return to that role.
@"silverjoel" said:@"Mike Olson" said:I read it. Not really sure what that means. Has Hill saved the season at RT? Harris at S? Backups are suppose to come in and play well, otherwise they shouldn't be the backup.@"silverjoel" said:@"Mike Olson" said: How fair would it be to Bridgewater to ask him to come in after not playing a meaningful football game since Jan 2016 and not screw up the current trajectory? That's a lot of time that he hasn't led a team. And that's a lot of pressure to welcome him back under. If it doesn't work you have a whole locker room full of folks that are going to ask why you went away from a guy that basicallysaved your season at the QB position. I just don't think we will see Teddy again this year. Bridgewater is a NFL QB, if he can't hack it, so be it and go back to Keenum. Again, if Zimmer feels Bridgewater is the best option, he should go with him. Play the best talent. To paraphrase Zimmer, good enough is the enemy of great.Isn't a little insulting to the rest of the team to say that Keenum saved the season? I would guess the defense feels like they're a part of the success of the team.
Maybe you should read my post a little closer...
Well he sure as shit ain't Spurgeon Wynn now is he? I'd say 6 wins in a row with 5 games over 100 rating is pretty fuckin good no?
@"MaroonBells" said:@"golfervike" said:The difference is that Teddy is the presumptive franchise QB. He was drafted in the first round and appeared well on his way to becoming the QB we drafted him to be. He's the starter and Case is the backup. That's why Case has a short leash and Teddy has gotten and will continue to get a longer one.@"JimmyinSD" said:Like when Teddy held on to the ball for 8 years against the Cardinals and cost us the game? i understand that's cherry picking. but i was not calling for Teddy to be benched after that game, and we shouldnt call for Case to be benched if he has one poor game.@"golfervike" said:thats hardly a fair statement to make. if its another stare the guy down and throw it anyway pick, or chuck it up for grabs when the pressure gets to hot, yes he will catch some shit, but any QB should in those situations. If its a tipped ball or the defender just makes a good play on a well thrown ball.... well thats football.@"Mike Olson" said:Honestly, the next pick he throws, this board is going to freak the hell out. because heaven forbid a QB ever throw an int. Teddy clearly wouldnt have made that pass. (whatever pass it is)@"JimmyinSD" said:Ok but what is the definition of changing the trajectory? Two bad plays? A bad half? A bad game? Two bad games?@"Mike Olson" said: How fair would it be to Bridgewater to ask him to come in after not playing a meaningful football game since Jan 2016 and not screw up the current trajectory? That's a lot of time that he hasn't led a team. And that's a lot of pressure to welcome him back under. If it doesn't work you have a whole locker room full of folks that are going to ask why you went away from a guy that basically saved your season at the QB position. I just don't think we will see Teddy again this year. well not as long as Case keeps doing enough to win. if the trajectory changes I dont think that the team would have any issues with Teddy getting his chance.It seems some of you have convinced yourselves that Case Keenum has replaced Teddy Bridgewater as the "future of the franchise," which is ridiculous in my opinion. We're riding the hot hand and we'll continue to do so as long as he plays well, but in all likelihood Teddy will eventually return to that role.
Wouldn't the future franchise QB be under contract for next season.
Or is he not part of the team yet.
@"FSUVike" said: So riddle me this: Teddy takes an AP-centric, archaic Norvel-schemed Offense with a bad Offensive Line and no WRs to 11-5.But some of you think Zimmer is nuts for wanting to see what he can do with all this talent....
The offensive line wasn't great in 2015, but it was much better than last year's squad. AD didn't lead the league in rushing all by himself. And a rookie Diggs, Wright, Wallace, and Rudolph is not exactly "no WRs". Plus you aren't giving any credit to the defense, which was the 5th ranked scoring defense that year. The offense ranked 16th in points scored.
And I do think he's nuts if he wants to replace a QB who is playing very well and has the team on a 6 game win streak for a QB who hasn't played in a real game in 22 months and in his first two years in the league averaged 212 yards and just under 1 TD per game.
@"StickyBun" said:@"FSUVike" said: So riddle me this: Teddy takes an AP-centric, archaic Norvel-schemed Offense with a bad Offensive Line and no WRs to 11-5.But some of you think Zimmer is nuts for wanting to see what he can do with all this talent....
I don't think he's nuts at all for wanting to see Teddy set up behind this line in Shurmur's offense....and not sure why fans wouldn't be just as curious. But that doesn't have to take away from Keenum and what he's done. No way he's getting benched until he tanks a game and brings up a loss. You can feel both ways, but it seems some in this thread are definitely raising the stubborn bar to a new height.
I agree that you can't sit Case now. Tantamount to a Manager pulling a Starter throwing a shutout in the 9th with a low pitch count.Just don't get the vocal minority that can't wrap their brains around the concept that a 1st Round QB that led his inarguably lesser team to the Playoffs might actually be doing even better. IF he's healthy.
Or the fact that if Rick & Mike don't get to see how Teddy performs under live pressure then they head into the offseason with limited information on what to do with him.
Best Case Keenum scenario is getting a huge lead early enough for Teddy to get 4th Quarter mop-up duty. Hopefully more than once.
More likely scenario because, you know, it's the Minnesota Vikings? Case plays all the snaps the rest of the way, losing a close game in the NFCCG through no fault of his own, is inked as the Franchise QB and turms into a pumpkin while Bridgewater gets signed elsewhere and turns into a Franchise QB.
I'm like 99% sure that Scenario #2 will happen. And I'm only 47 and not as jaded/wounded as so many on here are!
@"golfervike" said:@"greediron" said:@"golfervike" said:right- so this entire discussion is based on a game where he had 300 yards and 4 TD's on the road. yes i know the TD's were short, but he still executed them..because he had two bad passes?
2? Sometimes I wonder if people actually watch the game.
with all due respect, go pound sand. my god. nope we all f***ing post on this have a healthy debate, but nope we dont watch the effing game because it doesnt fit your agenda or we disagree with you.I hadnt posted in a long time. perhaps i'll stop again. peace out.
Case Vs redskins
what a garbage performance, clearly he should be benched.
after all the discussion last week. One dropped INT, one or two other bad throws that ended well.You got the condescending attitude going with your "because he had 2 bad passes".
@"holmanjp" said:Im going to steal this from someone on another board.It went something like this.
That pass to Rudy was a thing of beauty.
When Rodgers makes that throw they can see Bucks boner from outer space.Edit: I should have asked first. was the Rudy pass a WTF play to you like it was to the person who got the above response.
How about the avoid sack pass to Adam, that has been hashed out as well.
Haha, good description of Joe Buck. No, that was a great throw IMO. Threaded the needle, put it in a tight space. Case does that well.
It is the chuck and duck throws that make me cringe. Even when the end well. That is where the "horseshoe" comes in.
@"holmanjp" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"golfervike" said:The difference is that Teddy is the presumptive franchise QB. He was drafted in the first round and appeared well on his way to becoming the QB we drafted him to be. He's the starter and Case is the backup. That's why Case has a short leash and Teddy has gotten and will continue to get a longer one.@"JimmyinSD" said:Like when Teddy held on to the ball for 8 years against the Cardinals and cost us the game? i understand that's cherry picking. but i was not calling for Teddy to be benched after that game, and we shouldnt call for Case to be benched if he has one poor game.@"golfervike" said:thats hardly a fair statement to make. if its another stare the guy down and throw it anyway pick, or chuck it up for grabs when the pressure gets to hot, yes he will catch some shit, but any QB should in those situations. If its a tipped ball or the defender just makes a good play on a well thrown ball.... well thats football.@"Mike Olson" said:Honestly, the next pick he throws, this board is going to freak the hell out. because heaven forbid a QB ever throw an int. Teddy clearly wouldnt have made that pass. (whatever pass it is)@"JimmyinSD" said:Ok but what is the definition of changing the trajectory? Two bad plays? A bad half? A bad game? Two bad games?@"Mike Olson" said: How fair would it be to Bridgewater to ask him to come in after not playing a meaningful football game since Jan 2016 and not screw up the current trajectory? That's a lot of time that he hasn't led a team. And that's a lot of pressure to welcome him back under. If it doesn't work you have a whole locker room full of folks that are going to ask why you went away from a guy that basically saved your season at the QB position. I just don't think we will see Teddy again this year. well not as long as Case keeps doing enough to win. if the trajectory changes I dont think that the team would have any issues with Teddy getting his chance.It seems some of you have convinced yourselves that Case Keenum has replaced Teddy Bridgewater as the "future of the franchise," which is ridiculous in my opinion. We're riding the hot hand and we'll continue to do so as long as he plays well, but in all likelihood Teddy will eventually return to that role.
Wouldn't the future franchise QB be under contract for next season.
Or is he not part of the team yet.
Yeah, make no mistake, money is a big part of it. Right now the only QB we have under contract next season Kyle Sloter. The next 9 weeks are going to have a lot to say about who joins him.
@"golfervike" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"golfervike" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"golfervike" said:@"JimmyinSD" said: again, cant really pre-decide what it will take can we? it really has to be an in the moment type of decision IMO based on what else was happening at the time. I am not really remembering the play you are talking about, is that the one the Kalil completely was made to look the fool by freeny? if thats the play I think the blame is a bit arguable. I would say it can be pre determined. I know he's got the backup QB label, but that's like saying Big Ben should have been permanently benched after the Jags game because he was god awful. I know the equity/history of the QB's is different, but Case has been statistically just as good as big ben if not better this year.Just seems like Zim's got an itchy trigger finger for bridgewater... when our team has won 6 games in a row, and our QB mostly playing lights out and the team is behind Case. makes zero sense to me. every QB has WTF moments, or bad passes throughout the course of the game, and that seems to be the biggest argument against him, that he's not PERFECT.
so is it a WTF moment or is a string of poor moments with a really WTF moment? like I said, it cant be predetermined. would I let him take the second half if he shit the bed in a first half and the game was within 1 score... maybe, 2 scores probably not, 3 scores probably as I wouldnt put Teddy into a shit situation. it really depends the overall picture surrounding the situation.
in the past 9 games, how many times has this happened? i guess it's plausible, but not likely? other than the skins game with two bad passes (in a game he passed for 300 yards and 4td's on the road for the first time since Daunte) he's been pretty damn solid for our team.
uhm... second half of the redskins game. if he had played like that in the first half it would have been Teddys game in the second half I am pretty sure. but he didnt play like that in the first half and that bought him some lee way. he followed it up with a pretty good outing this week so he gets more leash. if he continues to grow and minimize the WTF moments it will be tough to remove him, but it remains to be seen what it would ultimately take.
right- so this entire discussion is based on a game where he had 300 yards and 4 TD's on the road. yes i know the TD's were short, but he still executed them..because he had two bad passes?
yep, thats this entire discussion. and now we are done.. have a nice day.
@"FSUVike" said: Just don't get the vocal minority that can't wrap their brains around the concept that a 1st Round QB that led his inarguably lesser team to the Playoffs might actually be doing even better. IF he's healthy.
Or the possibility that Zimmer and coaches watch them in practice and can see that Teddy is at a different level already.
Case is making the decision hard because he is playing pretty damn well himself.
@"Mike Olson" said:No he isn't, he's played pretty well. 3.5 games over 100 rating (feel free to call it 4, but not 5). He also has 4 games under 80 rating. I'm not really trying to knock him here, he's just been up and down game to game (sometimes half to half). Just not sure what this savior thing is. Bradford was the savior and should have been locked up on a multiyear deal and now Keenum is the savior and should be locked up on a multiyear deal.@"silverjoel" said:@"Mike Olson" said:I read it. Not really sure what that means. Has Hill saved the season at RT? Harris at S? Backups are suppose to come in and play well, otherwise they shouldn't be the backup.@"silverjoel" said:@"Mike Olson" said: How fair would it be to Bridgewater to ask him to come in after not playing a meaningful football game since Jan 2016 and not screw up the current trajectory? That's a lot of time that he hasn't led a team. And that's a lot of pressure to welcome him back under. If it doesn't work you have a whole locker room full of folks that are going to ask why you went away from a guy that basicallysaved your season at the QB position. I just don't think we will see Teddy again this year. Bridgewater is a NFL QB, if he can't hack it, so be it and go back to Keenum. Again, if Zimmer feels Bridgewater is the best option, he should go with him. Play the best talent. To paraphrase Zimmer, good enough is the enemy of great.Isn't a little insulting to the rest of the team to say that Keenum saved the season? I would guess the defense feels like they're a part of the success of the team.
Maybe you should read my post a little closer...
Well he sure as shit ain't Spurgeon Wynn now is he? I'd say 6 wins in a row with 5 games over 100 rating is pretty fuckin good no?
I'm still going to trust the coaches on all of this.
@"greediron" said:@"golfervike" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"golfervike" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"golfervike" said:@"JimmyinSD" said: again, cant really pre-decide what it will take can we? it really has to be an in the moment type of decision IMO based on what else was happening at the time. I am not really remembering the play you are talking about, is that the one the Kalil completely was made to look the fool by freeny? if thats the play I think the blame is a bit arguable. I would say it can be pre determined. I know he's got the backup QB label, but that's like saying Big Ben should have been permanently benched after the Jags game because he was god awful. I know the equity/history of the QB's is different, but Case has been statistically just as good as big ben if not better this year.Just seems like Zim's got an itchy trigger finger for bridgewater... when our team has won 6 games in a row, and our QB mostly playing lights out and the team is behind Case. makes zero sense to me. every QB has WTF moments, or bad passes throughout the course of the game, and that seems to be the biggest argument against him, that he's not PERFECT.
so is it a WTF moment or is a string of poor moments with a really WTF moment? like I said, it cant be predetermined. would I let him take the second half if he shit the bed in a first half and the game was within 1 score... maybe, 2 scores probably not, 3 scores probably as I wouldnt put Teddy into a shit situation. it really depends the overall picture surrounding the situation.
in the past 9 games, how many times has this happened? i guess it's plausible, but not likely? other than the skins game with two bad passes (in a game he passed for 300 yards and 4td's on the road for the first time since Daunte) he's been pretty damn solid for our team.
uhm... second half of the redskins game. if he had played like that in the first half it would have been Teddys game in the second half I am pretty sure. but he didnt play like that in the first half and that bought him some lee way. he followed it up with a pretty good outing this week so he gets more leash. if he continues to grow and minimize the WTF moments it will be tough to remove him, but it remains to be seen what it would ultimately take.
right- so this entire discussion is based on a game where he had 300 yards and 4 TD's on the road. yes i know the TD's were short, but he still executed them..because he had two bad passes?
2? Sometimes I wonder if people actually watch the game.
exaclty. I will have these conversations with anybody, but when they try to twist shit, or prove that they are blinded by their desires to "win the internet" well then its not worth my time. have fun with this one, I think I may take another break from the QB discussion as there really is no discussing it.
@"StickyBun" said:@"FSUVike" said: So riddle me this: Teddy takes an AP-centric, archaic Norvel-schemed Offense with a bad Offensive Line and no WRs to 11-5.But some of you think Zimmer is nuts for wanting to see what he can do with all this talent....
I don't think he's nuts at all for wanting to see Teddy set up behind this line in Shurmur's offense....and not sure why fans wouldn't be just as curious. But that doesn't have to take away from Keenum and what he's done. No way he's getting benched until he tanks a game and brings up a loss. You can feel both ways, but it seems some in this thread are definitely raising the stubborn bar to a new height.
yep, i am fine with Case continuing to play, but heaven forbid you also want to see Teddy or even think that Teddy might be better... or mention that Case has flaws in his game OMFG this is so stupid. why does everybody have to think they have a "gothca" argument when it comes to these QBs? or that you cant support both of them?
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"greediron" said:@"golfervike" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"golfervike" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"golfervike" said:@"JimmyinSD" said: again, cant really pre-decide what it will take can we? it really has to be an in the moment type of decision IMO based on what else was happening at the time. I am not really remembering the play you are talking about, is that the one the Kalil completely was made to look the fool by freeny? if thats the play I think the blame is a bit arguable. I would say it can be pre determined. I know he's got the backup QB label, but that's like saying Big Ben should have been permanently benched after the Jags game because he was god awful. I know the equity/history of the QB's is different, but Case has been statistically just as good as big ben if not better this year.Just seems like Zim's got an itchy trigger finger for bridgewater... when our team has won 6 games in a row, and our QB mostly playing lights out and the team is behind Case. makes zero sense to me. every QB has WTF moments, or bad passes throughout the course of the game, and that seems to be the biggest argument against him, that he's not PERFECT.
so is it a WTF moment or is a string of poor moments with a really WTF moment? like I said, it cant be predetermined. would I let him take the second half if he shit the bed in a first half and the game was within 1 score... maybe, 2 scores probably not, 3 scores probably as I wouldnt put Teddy into a shit situation. it really depends the overall picture surrounding the situation.
in the past 9 games, how many times has this happened? i guess it's plausible, but not likely? other than the skins game with two bad passes (in a game he passed for 300 yards and 4td's on the road for the first time since Daunte) he's been pretty damn solid for our team.
uhm... second half of the redskins game. if he had played like that in the first half it would have been Teddys game in the second half I am pretty sure. but he didnt play like that in the first half and that bought him some lee way. he followed it up with a pretty good outing this week so he gets more leash. if he continues to grow and minimize the WTF moments it will be tough to remove him, but it remains to be seen what it would ultimately take.
right- so this entire discussion is based on a game where he had 300 yards and 4 TD's on the road. yes i know the TD's were short, but he still executed them..because he had two bad passes?
2? Sometimes I wonder if people actually watch the game.
exaclty. I will have these conversations with anybody, but when they try to twist shit, or prove that they are blinded by their desires to "win the internet" well then its not worth my time. have fun with this one, I think I may take another break from the QB discussion as there really is no discussing it.
agreed Jimmy. Willful dishonesty or twisting words or stats just to win their point.I have said all I need to say on this, onto Detroit. I suspect the week will be too short to drum up much "controversy" this week.
@"greediron" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"greediron" said:@"golfervike" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"golfervike" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"golfervike" said:@"JimmyinSD" said: again, cant really pre-decide what it will take can we? it really has to be an in the moment type of decision IMO based on what else was happening at the time. I am not really remembering the play you are talking about, is that the one the Kalil completely was made to look the fool by freeny? if thats the play I think the blame is a bit arguable. I would say it can be pre determined. I know he's got the backup QB label, but that's like saying Big Ben should have been permanently benched after the Jags game because he was god awful. I know the equity/history of the QB's is different, but Case has been statistically just as good as big ben if not better this year.Just seems like Zim's got an itchy trigger finger for bridgewater... when our team has won 6 games in a row, and our QB mostly playing lights out and the team is behind Case. makes zero sense to me. every QB has WTF moments, or bad passes throughout the course of the game, and that seems to be the biggest argument against him, that he's not PERFECT.
so is it a WTF moment or is a string of poor moments with a really WTF moment? like I said, it cant be predetermined. would I let him take the second half if he shit the bed in a first half and the game was within 1 score... maybe, 2 scores probably not, 3 scores probably as I wouldnt put Teddy into a shit situation. it really depends the overall picture surrounding the situation.
in the past 9 games, how many times has this happened? i guess it's plausible, but not likely? other than the skins game with two bad passes (in a game he passed for 300 yards and 4td's on the road for the first time since Daunte) he's been pretty damn solid for our team.
uhm... second half of the redskins game. if he had played like that in the first half it would have been Teddys game in the second half I am pretty sure. but he didnt play like that in the first half and that bought him some lee way. he followed it up with a pretty good outing this week so he gets more leash. if he continues to grow and minimize the WTF moments it will be tough to remove him, but it remains to be seen what it would ultimately take.
right- so this entire discussion is based on a game where he had 300 yards and 4 TD's on the road. yes i know the TD's were short, but he still executed them..because he had two bad passes?
2? Sometimes I wonder if people actually watch the game.
exaclty. I will have these conversations with anybody, but when they try to twist shit, or prove that they are blinded by their desires to "win the internet" well then its not worth my time. have fun with this one, I think I may take another break from the QB discussion as there really is no discussing it.
agreed Jimmy. Willful dishonesty or twisting words or stats just to win their point.I have said all I need to say on this, onto Detroit. I suspect the week will be too short to drum up much "controversy" this week.
I dont know... Weatherly looked pretty good in his limited opportunities.
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