WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT FROM CASE?
WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT FROM CASE?
Should have beat the Lions?
He matched Matthew Staffords game. I’ve looked at the play by play and rewatched the game.
Here’s a recap.
Down 3 going into the 2min warning, Case leads the offense down the field for a Touchdown.
Second half Vikes start with the ball moving the ball well only to have Jerrick Mckinnon and Dalvin cook running the wildcat, fumble the ball.
Next possession 1st play Dalvin Cook rushes 10 yards tears ACL fumbles the ball BACK TO BACK fumbles. This came at the Vikings 28 yard line. Detroit scores a TD and 2pt conversion to go up by 7.
The next offensive series for the Vikings, having just lost Cook. 1st pass play is a deep pass to Treadwell who looks to mis time his jump but replays show he was held down by D. Slay NO Flag! 2nd play is also a pass but no one is open down field so it’s a check down to Murray for 2 yards. 3rd play Pass again and once again Diggs is mugged and falls down pass incomplete. PUNT.
The next offensive series for the Vikes, move the ball to the Detroit redzone and Miss a 39 yard field goal. The play before the field goal attempt. It appears that Theilen is open for a TD. He choose to throw short of the sticks and the pass was broken up.
The Vikings get the ball again this time move the ball down field taking 8 mins and is first and goal at the 8. 2 run plays later they are 3rd and goal at the 3. Keenum is sacked losing 11 yards. 4th down attempt is no good really nothing to blame on this play as the no one is open.
Despite 3 fumbles and a turnover on downs the Vikings would get another opportunity to tie the game with under 2 mins left. Only to lose the ball on a fumble by Adam Theilen.
3 second half turnovers
1 turnover on downs after 1st and goal
In the second half
1 missed field goal
Starting running back, gone for the season in the second half
Back up running back, injured left the game
At least 3 No Calls on PI as stated by the announcers
This was a disappointing loss, especially after coming off a dominate win against TB in which Case had a career best game (at the time) couple that with 2 disappointing losses last year vs the Lions and needing to build up wins for a daunting 2nd half of the season. Certainly hard to pin blame on Case or expect him to do more in light of the above negatives.
He should have beat the Steelers?
So the other loss on Case’s watch was in Pittsburgh I’m not going to take the time to dive into that game, but if I did it would be in light of the unknown surrounding Sam Bradford not sure about who got all the 1st team reps, but I’m thinking it was a late call that Bradford was unable to go. It was game 2 of the season on the road and there was not a lot of people predicting a win regardless of who was at QB.
From what I’ve seen Case has bounced back from every negative play on his part and he is doing everything that is being asked of him. He is having the best performance from a Viking QB since Brett Favre. What more do you expect?
Oh, and he's been a backup for some of his time in the NFL, so he is obviously strictly a backup and can never be allowed to rise above that.
The above two comments were meant in jest by the way.
He could have easily had two more turnovers in the first half as Well. The guy just makes me nervous.
I don't understand why people think you can't support both QBs.
Keenum has played well, but has some flaws that many believe will show up during games against better competition. I don't know how that is some outlandish take.
Some believe the time away for Bridgewater will be detrimental to his game. Another reasonable take.
Some believe that Bridgewater would do better against the tougher competition than Keenum. Fair take.
Zimmer makes the call. I will not proclaim Zimmer as a terrible coach if he sticks with Keenum. What will you say if Zimmer goes to Bridgewater? Ask yourself that.
@"Bolstad79" said: He could have easily had two more turnovers in the first half as Well. The guy just makes me nervous.On the flip side, I have to say I enjoy Keenum's style of play a lot more than the constant dink and dunk and throw short of the chains type. He takes risks, but to me for the most part they are calculated risks and they have turned out well in our favor so far this year. You can't criticize him for turnovers and scary throws without also acknowledging a lot of the big time plays he has made by taking chances and trusting his WRs to make plays. Just knowing that Case is willing to attack the defense deep helps keep the defense honest and also opens up more room for the running game, which has been a big strength as well this year.
Does Teddy make those throws or even attempt to make those throws? I think it's a very fair question to ask and based on his first two years in the league, I have my doubts. And yes I know the offense is different now, but if anything, Teddy played in a more vertical, deep ball offense than Case has under Shurmur.
One fumble was on Case, correct?
What more do I want? More than 7 points at home. Yes, two of the fumbles were not on him. But 7 points at home. Defense played lights out and we only score 7.
What do I expect? Consistency. But not sure I actually expect that. He is a great backup. Lots of energy, plays well enough to win most games. But avoiding the WTF plays would be a good start.
I want him to guest star on the YouTube channel FPS Russia.
I don't trust him as the season goes on, that's my bottom line. And I say this not wanting him pulled until he starts to stink it up....if he does. But I just think the other shoe is going to drop with him. But until that time, he's played very well. There's no denying it. But this offensive line is light years better than anything Teddy has played behind as a Viking. That's obvious.
Rather than repeat myself, I'll just refer you to this article, which sums up what I feel. The writer of this piece did also say this: "There are two types of people in this world: People who think Case Keenum should start the rest of the season and people who have actually watched him play this season." Which leads me to believe that there might be a mean spirited bias to his analysis, but he's not wrong in the article below...
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/11/nfl-vikings-quarterback-controversy-case-keenum-teddy-bridgewater-sam-bradford
@"greediron" said: One fumble was on Case, correct?What more do I want? More than 7 points at home. Yes, two of the fumbles were not on him. But 7 points at home. Defense played lights out and we only score 7.
What do I expect? Consistency. But not sure I actually expect that. He is a great backup. Lots of energy, plays well enough to win most games. But avoiding the WTF plays would be a good start.
When Sam went on IR, Case went to starter. He started every game but one.
Teddy is currently the backup.
If you don't think he makes pre-snap decisions on where he's going to throw the ball regardless of whether that target is covered or not....
If you don't think he tends to stare down his Receiver...
If you don't think he throws a lot of floaters...
If you don't think opposing DBs have dropped at least 4 sure-fire picks...
Then you don't understand the loud group that is happy with how far Keenum has taken this team but sees dark clouds on thw horizon against better Defenses.
I like Case. He is a Viking. He is helping us win. He is trying his best. He gets hit and he gets up again. I like his moxie or spirit or confidence or whatever you want to call it. And I like that he throws the ball downfield. But he is not without some significant faults.
The jump ball to Rudolph against Washington was a really bad decision. Something you might expect from a rookie or Jay Cutler. For a guy who has been in the NFL for a few years and who knows we have a good defense, those kinds of decisions leave me shaking my head.
His arm is below average so his passes are usually in the air for way too long. Every time he throws to flat I expect a Swearinger-type result. Now that he has thrown one, you know DBs will be looking for more (he can actually use that to his advantage by faking that pass and sending the receiver long).
The ball sails on him too frequently, especially when he rolls out of the pocket. That more of those passes have not been picked is remarkable. Sometimes it seems like it takes him forever to throw the ball. The pass to Thielen for the TD vs. Washington is one. The pass to Thielen for the TD vs. Cleveland is another. By the time Thielen caught the ball, he was standing flat-footed at the back of the endzone. But he was wide open five yards down the field and Case had seen him.
I am not blaming Keenum for the 2 losses. Those were team losses. (Had we lost the Washington game, that would have been on him.) But as soon as he thought that Bradford was even arguably able to walk fast enough to play, Zimmer put him in and sat Case. And now he seems to be looking for an opportunity to start playing Teddy. I doubt that it is because he loves Teddy. Zimmer's first responsibility is to the team, not to Teddy. He has 52+ other guys counting on him to make the right decisions for the team.
I was hoping that Case was going to shut everyone up with the way he played the first 6 or 7 possessions against Washington. He was getting it done in spades. Yes, there were some scary passes. But almost everything he did came out right. Then came the interceptions. And you could feel things start to change. Suddenly, the coaches were doubting Case. Teddy gets up and grabs his helmet. Was he coming in? Shurmur almost stopped calling passes. But Teddy stayed on the bench and Shurmur called just enough pass plays to get one more FG before shutting it down.
So a game that we led in the second half 35-17 (thanks largely to Case) we let Washington back in the game (thanks largely to Case) and hang on to win 38-30.
It's not just the fans who have their doubts about Case. The coaches do, too. And they are caused by Case.
@"FSUVike" said: If you don't think he makes pre-snap decisions on where he's going to throw the ball regardless of whether that target is covered or not....If you don't think he tends to stare down his Receiver...
If you don't think he throws a lot of floaters...
If you don't think opposing DBs have dropped at least 4 sure-fire picks...
Then you don't understand the loud group that is happy with how far Keenum has taken this team but sees dark clouds on thw horizon against better Defenses.
Then your not being positive,only looking for gloom.
You got to believe we can win.
If Teddy was QB I would be rooting for him 100%. I wouldn't be saying I know he is going to fail,I know he is going to lose.
I would be saying come on Teddy you can do it.
@"silverjoel" said: I don't understand why people think you can't support both QBs.Keenum has played well, but has some flaws that many believe will show up during games against better competition. I don't know how that is some outlandish take.
Some believe the time away for Bridgewater will be detrimental to his game. Another reasonable take.
Some believe that Bridgewater would do better against the tougher competition than Keenum. Fair take.
Zimmer makes the call. I will not proclaim Zimmer as a terrible coach if he sticks with Keenum. What will you say if Zimmer goes to Bridgewater? Ask yourself that.
That 3rd point is where I think most have an issue. With Teddy not having seen live bullets in nearly 16 months, how anyone could expect him to come in and immediately start playing better than what we've seen out of Keenum is a fools bet.
While I certainly am not giving up on Teddy, or doubting that he has the higher upside long term, changing horses this deep in the season when Keenum is playing well, because the grass MIGHT be greener while betting our playoff hopes on him is beyond wishful thinking.
@"mgobluevikes" said: That 3rd point is where I think most have an issue. With Teddy not having seen live bullets in nearly 16 months, how anyone could expect him to come in and immediately start playing better than what we've seen out of Keenum is a fools bet.While I certainly am not giving up on Teddy, or doubting that he has the higher upside long term, changing horses this deep in the season when Keenum is playing well, because the grass MIGHT be greener while betting our playoff hopes on him is beyond wishful thinking.
Spot on.
@"greediron" said: One fumble was on Case, correct?What more do I want? More than 7 points at home. Yes, two of the fumbles were not on him. But 7 points at home. Defense played lights out and we only score 7.
What do I expect? Consistency. But not sure I actually expect that. He is a great backup. Lots of energy, plays well enough to win most games. But avoiding the WTF plays would be a good start.
What fumble? Case did not fumble Mckinnon and Cook on the wildcat, cook on his injury and Theilen to end the game.
And I just re watched the game With the exception of one pass that theilen appeared to be open for a TD He did everything you could ask for in a QB.
Case has guided the offense to 34, 23 and 24 in home games outside of Detroit.
Is there anything saying that Case CAN'T be a starter in this league other than past history? I am starting to wonder if the guy could actually be a starter. I'd bet other teams that may need a QB are starting to keep a tab on him as well.
Most of what was already said applies to my concerns. I'm mostly worried about interceptions and him not really playing quality teams. I think against the better teams, he'll try to force the ball too much and give the other team some easy interceptions.
I think he's been playing admirably. I'm not shitting bricks if he's starting. I think a healthy Bridgewater would outperform him most games and would upgrade our offense from good to great. I'm not too worried about it. This upcoming stretch of games will really solidify things as there's a lot of good teams in a row. Either Case will look great or he'll look underwhelming. I trust Zimmer to play the right QB.
@"StickyBun" said: I don't trust him as the season goes on, that's my bottom line. And I say this not wanting him pulled until he starts to stink it up....if he does. But I just think the other shoe is going to drop with him. But until that time, he's played very well. There's no denying it. But this offensive line is light years better than anything Teddy has played behind as a Viking. That's obvious.
@"MaroonBells" said: Rather than repeat myself, I'll just refer you to this article, which sums up what I feel. The writer of this piece did also say this: "There are two types of people in this world: People who think Case Keenum should start the rest of the season and people who have actually watched him play this season." Which leads me to believe that there might be a mean spirited bias to his analysis, but he's not wrong in the article below...
Sticky you dont' want anything more from him? you just don't trust him and you think the bottom will fall out?
Maroon I'm not raising this question as a who would you rather start. Just a simple question of what more do you want from Case? I could even say what more do you want from a QB maybe we could just redact his name.
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