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https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/07/20/vikings-jordan-addison-cited-for-driving-140-mph
Vikings rookie wide receiver Jordan Addison was cited for speeding and reckless driving early Thursday morning in St. Paul, Minn.
Addison,
21, is accused of traveling 140 mph in a 55-mph zone while driving a
Lamborghini Urus, according to a statement by the Minnesota State
Patrol. The incident occurred on eastbound Interstate 94 near Dale
Street in St. Paul, according to the MSP.
Addison, whose place of residence is listed as Frederick, Md., played college football at Pittsburgh and Southern California. He won the 2021 Biletnikoff Award as the nation’s top receiver at Pitt before transferring to USC for his junior season.

He was selected with the No. 23 pick in the first round of the 2023 NFL draft by Minnesota.

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Oh the Kwesi haters are enjoying this but shouldn't some of the criticism go to the scouts that watched this kid during the college season.  I guarantee Kwesi was not the only guy that scouted him or interviewed him, everybody in the draft room had a say on draft night.  The final decision may have been Kwesi and KOC but they depend on everybody else in that room.

I guess the almighty Harbaugh wouldn't have made that selection but we will never know.  If we had only hired Ryan Poles and Jim Harbaugh this never would have happened.  Dream on Kwesi haters.

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@"Greylock" said: Oh the Kwesi haters are enjoying this but shouldn't some of the criticism go to the scouts that watched this kid during the college season.  I guarantee Kwesi was not the only guy that scouted him or interviewed him, everybody in the draft room had a say on draft night.  The final decision may have been Kwesi and KOC but they depend on everybody else in that room.

I guess the almighty Harbaugh wouldn't have made that selection but we will never know.  If we had only hired Ryan Poles and Jim Harbaugh this never would have happened.  Dream on Kwesi haters.


Who's to say Kwesi wasn't provided with concerns from the scouting department but went ahead and pulled the trigger anyways? And Kwesi deserves the entirety of the criticism as he is the final decision maker and we had the kid at the facility for a top 30 visit! The buck stops with him and if Addison continues down this path of immaturity and poor decision making, then Kwesi should absolutely be on the hot seat on the heels of his last disaster of a draft 

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#43 · Jul 22, 3:09 PM
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Bring on training camp, let’s see what the kid can do! Some of you guys act like he went Ray Lewis on soneone…  ;) 

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@"supafreak84" said:
@"Greylock" said: Oh the Kwesi haters are enjoying this but shouldn't some of the criticism go to the scouts that watched this kid during the college season.  I guarantee Kwesi was not the only guy that scouted him or interviewed him, everybody in the draft room had a say on draft night.  The final decision may have been Kwesi and KOC but they depend on everybody else in that room.

I guess the almighty Harbaugh wouldn't have made that selection but we will never know.  If we had only hired Ryan Poles and Jim Harbaugh this never would have happened.  Dream on Kwesi haters.


Who's to say Kwesi wasn't provided with concerns from the scouting department but went ahead and pulled the trigger anyways? And Kwesi deserves the entirety of the criticism as he is the final decision maker and we had the kid at the facility for a top 30 visit! The buck stops with him and if Addison continues down this path of immaturity and poor decision making, then Kwesi should absolutely be on the hot seat on the heels of his last disaster of a draft 


Who says Kwesi was provided concerns? Weren't teams trying to trade to get this guy, that's what I have read.

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@"1VikesFan" said:
@"supafreak84" said:
@"Greylock" said: Oh the Kwesi haters are enjoying this but shouldn't some of the criticism go to the scouts that watched this kid during the college season.  I guarantee Kwesi was not the only guy that scouted him or interviewed him, everybody in the draft room had a say on draft night.  The final decision may have been Kwesi and KOC but they depend on everybody else in that room.

I guess the almighty Harbaugh wouldn't have made that selection but we will never know.  If we had only hired Ryan Poles and Jim Harbaugh this never would have happened.  Dream on Kwesi haters.


Who's to say Kwesi wasn't provided with concerns from the scouting department but went ahead and pulled the trigger anyways? And Kwesi deserves the entirety of the criticism as he is the final decision maker and we had the kid at the facility for a top 30 visit! The buck stops with him and if Addison continues down this path of immaturity and poor decision making, then Kwesi should absolutely be on the hot seat on the heels of his last disaster of a draft 


Who says Kwesi was provided concerns? Weren't teams trying to trade to get this guy, that's what I have read.


Well that's just it, we can't say anything because nobody knows. What is known is that Kwesi is the decision maker and made the selection...so if this blows up he rightfully deserves the blame. That's what he signed up for. Same as if Addison turns out to be Randy Moss, then he should get the credit. Right now this situation is trending down and this is not what he needed on the heels of his last draft.

I also had not heard anyone was clamoring trying to move up for him. There were four receivers chosen in a row and he was the fourth. 

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I'm sorry...are people actually blaming this on Kwesi?

Really?

It's just fuggin' amazing, sometimes.  Truly.

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@"supafreak84" said:
@"Mattyman" said: After watching the draft and interview of Addison did anyone else "Cringe".

That he weighed 174lbs didn't make it better.

Now the "uh-oh Kwesi can't see past his analytics" is becoming apparent.


The Wilfs took a huge swing on him at least partially for political reasons and thusfar he hasn't done anything to prove he knows what he is doing from a personnel standpoint. "Out of the box" hire is putting it mildly. If this Addison pick blows up...how long do we stick it out with this guy and his "competitive rebuild?" Knowing the Wilfs it will probably be at least a few years longer then it should to the detriment of all of u

Kwesi has made 2 stellar moves IMO, hiring KOC and trading for Hockenson. 

As for the rest, it's still in the yet to be determined category.

Due to  roster changes this offseason, young players are gonna be playing meaningful snaps this season

And by the end of 2023, fans will have a more clear picture.

As for the Wilfs', it's coming up on 20 years with them as owners.

Can we agree they've been slow learners?

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@"Zanary" said: I'm sorry...are people actually blaming this on Kwesi?

Really?

It's just fuggin' amazing, sometimes.  Truly.


First day on the board?  :p

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#49 · Jul 23, 3:41 AM
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@"Zanary" said: I'm sorry...are people actually blaming this on Kwesi?

Really?

It's just fuggin' amazing, sometimes.  Truly.


We just drafted the kid and thusfar he's shown a ton of immaturity and now poor decision making. Who should get the fuggin' blame then if he busts? 

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#50 · Jul 23, 6:24 AM
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@"supafreak84" said:
@"Zanary" said: I'm sorry...are people actually blaming this on Kwesi?

Really?

It's just fuggin' amazing, sometimes.  Truly.


We just drafted the kid and thusfar he's shown a ton of immaturity and now poor decision making. Who should get the fuggin' blame then if he busts? 


Your'e overreacting. To a ridiculous level. 

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I'm not saying he's gonna be a bust, and few are saying that (and too many are jumping to conclusions to begin the blame game). My hope is that this turns out to be a blessing in disguise.  Possibly this public embarrassment and humiliation (and let's assume that the Vikings are going to apply some kind of public penance to him, if they haven't scolded the hell out of him already in private), that he might strive to be a quiet overachiever.

I admit that I am not a fan of public displays of wealth or attention (such as his outfit on draft night), so maybe he needed to be knocked down a notch.

Regardless, nobody is going to go out of their way to buy an Addison jersey anytime this year.

As it is, it is both a distraction and embarrassment.  With TC starting today for rookies, let's just see what happens.

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@"Montana Tom" said: I'm not saying he's gonna be a bust, and few are saying that (and too many are jumping to conclusions to begin the blame game). My hope is that this turns out to be a blessing in disguise.  Possibly this public embarrassment and humiliation (and let's assume that the Vikings are going to apply some kind of public penance to him, if they haven't scolded the hell out of him already in private), that he might strive to be a quiet overachiever.

I admit that I am not a fan of public displays of wealth or attention (such as his outfit on draft night), so maybe he needed to be knocked down a notch.

Regardless, nobody is going to go out of their way to buy an Addison jersey anytime this year.

As it is, it is both a distraction and embarrassment.  With TC starting today for rookies, let's just see what happens.

Yah, I want to see how he handles himself going forward. 

Ive cooled down a bit since it came out. The franchise needs this kid to succeed and contribute. 

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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"supafreak84" said:
@"Zanary" said: I'm sorry...are people actually blaming this on Kwesi?

Really?

It's just fuggin' amazing, sometimes.  Truly.


We just drafted the kid and thusfar he's shown a ton of immaturity and now poor decision making. Who should get the fuggin' blame then if he busts? 


Your'e overreacting. To a ridiculous level. 


Lol bro you just laid out all the immaturity in a prior post! I'm just saying if he continues and he busts, its not going to look good for the golden child. But yeah....ridiculous level overreaction. Addison needs to clean up his act. This team needs him and nobody is rooting against him. Completely fair though to question what went into the decision to draft him on the heels of this incident. 

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@"supafreak84" said:
@"Zanary" said: I'm sorry...are people actually blaming this on Kwesi?

Really?

It's just fuggin' amazing, sometimes.  Truly.


We just drafted the kid and thusfar he's shown a ton of immaturity and now poor decision making. Who should get the fuggin' blame then if he busts? 


Completely fair. Not.

Yeah, don't blame the kid, don't blame typical young male exuberance, don't blame the NFLPA that's supposed to coach these kids against these exact behaviors, as are their agents...

...nope, it's gotta be one more reason to blame the GM that helped us to a 5-win improvement in his first season.

(paddling the seas of drool)

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@"StickyBun" said:
@"Zanary" said: I'm sorry...are people actually blaming this on Kwesi?

Really?

It's just fuggin' amazing, sometimes.  Truly.


First day on the board?  :p



Fair point, I forgot the inevitability of melodrama-mamas.

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@"Zanary" said:
@"supafreak84" said:
@"Zanary" said: I'm sorry...are people actually blaming this on Kwesi?

Really?

It's just fuggin' amazing, sometimes.  Truly.


We just drafted the kid and thusfar he's shown a ton of immaturity and now poor decision making. Who should get the fuggin' blame then if he busts? 


Completely fair. Not.

Yeah, don't blame the kid, don't blame typical young male exuberance, don't blame the NFLPA that's supposed to coach these kids against these exact behaviors, as are their agents...

...nope, it's gotta be one more reason to blame the GM that helped us to a 5-win improvement in his first season.

(paddling the seas of drool)



Well of course it's the kids fault, but there's been a clear pattern of immaturity from the day he was drafted and going full on Henry Ruggs down the highway at 3 am is the most recent and glaring. If there's a behavior issue, how did that slip through the cracks being that we just drafted him and had him in our facility pre draft on a top 30 visit!? If the signs were there and we had ample opportunity to vet sources, then you are damn right it's Kwesi's fugg up and its not a good look after his totally lackluster, non-impactful draft of last year. He is a Viking because it was Kwesi's decision to make him a Viking and spend a 1st round pick on him. Not sure how some of you want to hold Kwesi harmless in this equation. Let's all just hope this is the end of things and Addison gets his shit straight and becomes a contributor for us..

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@"Zanary" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"Zanary" said: I'm sorry...are people actually blaming this on Kwesi?

Really?

It's just fuggin' amazing, sometimes.  Truly.


First day on the board?  :p



Fair point, I forgot the inevitability of melodrama-mamas.


Can say the same thing about your post, seems kind of hypocritical.  

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@"Mattyman" said:
@"supafreak84" said:
@"Mattyman" said: After watching the draft and interview of Addison did anyone else "Cringe".

That he weighed 174lbs didn't make it better.

Now the "uh-oh Kwesi can't see past his analytics" is becoming apparent.


The Wilfs took a huge swing on him at least partially for political reasons and thusfar he hasn't done anything to prove he knows what he is doing from a personnel standpoint. "Out of the box" hire is putting it mildly. If this Addison pick blows up...how long do we stick it out with this guy and his "competitive rebuild?" Knowing the Wilfs it will probably be at least a few years longer then it should to the detriment of all of u

Kwesi has made 2 stellar moves IMO, hiring KOC and trading for Hockenson. 

As for the rest, it's still in the yet to be determined category.

Due to  roster changes this offseason, young players are gonna be playing meaningful snaps this season

And by the end of 2023, fans will have a more clear picture.

As for the Wilfs', it's coming up on 20 years with them as owners.

Can we agree they've been slow learners?



Depends where you set the bar and what constitutes good owners?

Good Franchise Culture
Competitive on the field
Context: Wilfs vs predecessors (Gang of 10 & Red McCombs)
Exemplary facilities 
Exemplary Stadium
Strong ties to state/local community today and tomorrow

Do I want 1 Lombardi b4 I meet my maker? Hell yes after rooting for this team for 50+ years.

We may not get it better than current ownership in our lifetimes. 

I know they are a little "woke" here for some, but overall I really cant complain or call for a change. 

The grass aint always greener elsewhere. 

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@"supafreak84" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"supafreak84" said:
@"Zanary" said: I'm sorry...are people actually blaming this on Kwesi?

Really?

It's just fuggin' amazing, sometimes.  Truly.


We just drafted the kid and thusfar he's shown a ton of immaturity and now poor decision making. Who should get the fuggin' blame then if he busts? 


Your'e overreacting. To a ridiculous level. 


Lol bro you just laid out all the immaturity in a prior post! I'm just saying if he continues and he busts, its not going to look good for the golden child. But yeah....ridiculous level overreaction. Addison needs to clean up his act. This team needs him and nobody is rooting against him. Completely fair though to question what went into the decision to draft him on the heels of this incident. 


Yes, I did lay out a few things that alarmed me about Addison. But so many of you see things only in black and white. If it doesn't fit one "camp" or another, or one accepted agenda or another, you don't understand it. 

But cringing at Addison's money suit and his draft day phone etiquette is a far cry from indicting the GM, the coach and the entire scouting staff for blowing our first round draft pick. 

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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"supafreak84" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"supafreak84" said:
@"Zanary" said: I'm sorry...are people actually blaming this on Kwesi?

Really?

It's just fuggin' amazing, sometimes.  Truly.


We just drafted the kid and thusfar he's shown a ton of immaturity and now poor decision making. Who should get the fuggin' blame then if he busts? 


Your'e overreacting. To a ridiculous level. 


Lol bro you just laid out all the immaturity in a prior post! I'm just saying if he continues and he busts, its not going to look good for the golden child. But yeah....ridiculous level overreaction. Addison needs to clean up his act. This team needs him and nobody is rooting against him. Completely fair though to question what went into the decision to draft him on the heels of this incident. 


Yes, I did lay out a few things that alarmed me about Addison. But so many of you see things only in black and white. If it doesn't fit one "camp" or another, or one accepted agenda or another, you don't understand it. 

But cringing at Addison's money suit and his draft day phone etiquette is a far cry from indicting the GM, the coach and the entire scouting staff for blowing our first round draft pick. 



What is there to understand? He's an immature kid who could have easily killed somebody else or himself and it doesn't play into the favor of a questionable GM who really needs to hit on a draft pick. That's not playing a side, that's just reality, and it's fair to question what they knew or didn't know prior to drafting him. 

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