Which stage of grief are you in about Zimmer?

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: I think we're missing one thing that worried a few of us going into this game. Things Jake Browning could've done to bite us in the ass:

1. Guys, this young line is being to taught to strategically hold. Everyone holds. Some just know how to get away with it more than others. Coaches to refs before the game: "watch the holding." Result: every single damned close-call hold was called. The entire bar was laughing it was so ridiculous. I've honestly never seen anything like it. 

2. Rashod HIll crosses his feet on deep pass sets. An upfield, outside rush will beat him every time. 

3. Vikings will do A when they're in formation B. 

4. Here are the changes to the Vikings defense. They'll disguise 4-3 and jump into 3-4. Here are the keys to watch for. 

5. Here are the things Cousins is struggling with in KK's new playbook. Here are KK's blind spots. 

There have to be about two dozen things he could've told them. Typically you get this stuff from film. Week 1 there is no film. Browning was our QB2 for three years and through training camp. He would've known it all. 

Did Browning tell them have 114 yards in penalties yesterday? That's the difference in the game.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: I think we're missing one thing that worried a few of us going into this game. Things Jake Browning could've done to bite us in the ass:

1. Guys, this young line is being to taught to strategically hold. Everyone holds. Some just know how to get away with it more than others. Coaches to refs before the game: "watch the holding." Result: every single damned close-call hold was called. The entire bar was laughing it was so ridiculous. I've honestly never seen anything like it. 

2. Rashod HIll crosses his feet on deep pass sets. An upfield, outside rush will beat him every time. 

3. Vikings will do A when they're in formation B. 

4. Here are the changes to the Vikings defense. They'll disguise 4-3 and jump into 3-4. Here are the keys to watch for. 

5. Here are the things Cousins is struggling with in KK's new playbook. Here are KK's blind spots. 

There have to be about two dozen things he could've told them. Typically you get this stuff from film. Week 1 there is no film. Browning was our QB2 for three years and through training camp. He would've known it all. 

Did Browning tell them have 114 yards in penalties yesterday? That's the difference in the game.

Read point 1. Not just holds. Even false starts can be prompted by a defense who knows a lineman's tells/vulnerabilities. Happens all the time.

No, I hate conspiracy excuses and I certainly don't know any of this to be fact. Just saying it's very possible. Likely even. Cuz I don't think anyone really believes the Bengals signed Browning because they liked what they saw in the preseason.

@"Skodin" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Rigby" said: Christian Ponder Matt Kalil Harrison Smith  Shariff Floyd Xavier Rhodes Cordarrelle Patterson Anthony Barr Teddy Bridgewater Trae Waynes Laquon Treadwell Mike Hughes Garrett Bradbury Justin Jefferson Jeff Gladney Christian Darrisaw

You have to be better than this in the 1st.

Christian Ponder--BUST
Matt Kalil--BUST
Harrison Smith--DEFINITE HOME RUN
Shariff Floyd--BUST ( injury, could happen to anybody )
Xavier Rhodes-- SUCCESS
Cordarrelle Patterson--BUST ( Especially considering the draft capital spent to get him )
Anthony Barr--SUCCESS ( But not when you consider that they passed on Aaron fricking Donald , but Barr has been a starter for many years)
Teddy Bridgewater--BUST ( injury, could happen to anybody )
Trae Waynes--Success... but not by much
Laquon Treadwell--BUST
Mike Hughes--BUST
Garrett Bradbury--STILL Early but I am saying BUST
Justin Jefferson--Early,  but looks like a SUCCESS
Jeff Gladney--BUST

Christian Darrisaw--WAY TO EARLY.

9 BUSTS ( 7 if you dont count the 2 injuries to Teddy and Shariff) 
5 SUCCESSES

The NFL average is 53%, success on first round picks.  Looks like Speilman is under 42%.

Which is a great reason to trade 1st for DeShaun Watson.  Give them 3 firsts and Cousins, some later picks.  

We draft better beyond the first and with Watson and these weapons, we would be a threat in every game.  

@"Skodin" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Rigby" said: Christian Ponder Matt Kalil Harrison Smith  Shariff Floyd Xavier Rhodes Cordarrelle Patterson Anthony Barr Teddy Bridgewater Trae Waynes Laquon Treadwell Mike Hughes Garrett Bradbury Justin Jefferson Jeff Gladney Christian Darrisaw

You have to be better than this in the 1st.

Christian Ponder--BUST
Matt Kalil--BUST
Harrison Smith--DEFINITE HOME RUN
Shariff Floyd--BUST ( injury, could happen to anybody )
Xavier Rhodes-- SUCCESS
Cordarrelle Patterson--BUST ( Especially considering the draft capital spent to get him )
Anthony Barr--SUCCESS ( But not when you consider that they passed on Aaron fricking Donald , but Barr has been a starter for many years)
Teddy Bridgewater--BUST ( injury, could happen to anybody )
Trae Waynes--Success... but not by much
Laquon Treadwell--BUST
Mike Hughes--BUST
Garrett Bradbury--STILL Early but I am saying BUST
Justin Jefferson--Early,  but looks like a SUCCESS
Jeff Gladney--BUST

Christian Darrisaw--WAY TO EARLY.

9 BUSTS ( 7 if you dont count the 2 injuries to Teddy and Shariff) 
5 SUCCESSES

The NFL average is 53%, success on first round picks.  Looks like Speilman is under 42%.

Which is a great reason to trade 1st for DeShaun Watson.  Give them 3 firsts and Cousins, some later picks.  

We draft better beyond the first and with Watson and these weapons, we would be a threat in every game.  

@"VikingOracle" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: I think we're missing one thing that worried a few of us going into this game. Things Jake Browning could've done to bite us in the ass:

1. Guys, this young line is being to taught to strategically hold. Everyone holds. Some just know how to get away with it more than others. Coaches to refs before the game: "watch the holding." Result: every single damned close-call hold was called. The entire bar was laughing it was so ridiculous. I've honestly never seen anything like it. 

2. Rashod HIll crosses his feet on deep pass sets. An upfield, outside rush will beat him every time. 

3. Vikings will do A when they're in formation B. 

4. Here are the changes to the Vikings defense. They'll disguise 4-3 and jump into 3-4. Here are the keys to watch for. 

5. Here are the things Cousins is struggling with in KK's new playbook. Here are KK's blind spots. 

There have to be about two dozen things he could've told them. Typically you get this stuff from film. Week 1 there is no film. Browning was our QB2 for three years and through training camp. He would've known it all. 

Did Browning tell them have 114 yards in penalties yesterday? That's the difference in the game.

Read point 1. Not just holds. Even false starts can be prompted by a defense who knows a lineman's tells/vulnerabilities. Happens all the time.

No, I hate conspiracy excuses and I certainly don't know any of this to be fact. Just saying it's very possible. Likely even. Cuz I don't think anyone really believes the Bengals signed Browning because they liked what they saw in the preseason.

Point 1:  If an offensive lineman has such a tell that Browning can identify it, then the coaches are doing a crap job.  One of the job of the coaches and quality control people is to self-scout and address any tells.

I agree they signed Browning for any insight he could give them.  But you take that into account and use it to your advantage.  For instance, if "Vikings will do A when they're in formation B," then you make sure to do C (if not the first time you run formation B, certainly the second time).

I'm in the "Good" stage of grief; as in "Good Grief" does this team look unmotivated, unprepared, and poorly coached (both sides of the ball).  B)

I think Zim is a very good "Xs and Os" guy, but he doesn't seem to be a very good team motivator.

I really feel the game has passed him by. They looks so vanilla most of the time compared to the complex systems around the league. Teams needs a more innovative coaching staff. 

The Vikings were absolutely prepared for this to be play-action, which confirms what Zimmer said after the game. Woods just lost Uzomah pic.twitter.com/7ffazKjLlw

— Arif Hasan, but NFL 🏈 (@ArifHasanNFL) September 13, 2021

@"JR44" said:

@"Greylock" said: The offense remains predictable with the annoying habit of throwing behind the sticks on 3rd downs and hoping for a missed tackle.

This has been the norm since Cousins has gotten here and it is all on him.  If you want to know how much of  a team player he is, watch the 3rd and 11 play on the last drive of OT and watch him not even think about throwing for a 1st, Thielen was not even in position to run after the catch, so it was just dumping it off, that is how his stats go up and his wins go down.  

@"Zanary" said:

@"JR44" said:

@"Greylock" said: The offense remains predictable with the annoying habit of throwing behind the sticks on 3rd downs and hoping for a missed tackle.

This has been the norm since Cousins has gotten here and it is all on him.  If you want to know how much of  a team player he is, watch the 3rd and 11 play on the last drive of OT and watch him not even think about throwing for a 1st, Thielen was not even in position to run after the catch, so it was just dumping it off, that is how his stats go up and his wins go down.  

... ridiculous anti-logic.

For starters, essentially every QB we've had for the last decade has done that exact, maddening play repeatedly.

Secondly, if that was some schemed stat bump...why not for more yards, why would Thirlen play along, when not move the chains toward more "stat" completions and TDs?

That babble is the dumbest s**t floating in the internet toilet.

@"Skodin" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Rigby" said: Christian Ponder Matt Kalil Harrison Smith  Shariff Floyd Xavier Rhodes Cordarrelle Patterson Anthony Barr Teddy Bridgewater Trae Waynes Laquon Treadwell Mike Hughes Garrett Bradbury Justin Jefferson Jeff Gladney Christian Darrisaw

You have to be better than this in the 1st.

Christian Ponder--BUST
Matt Kalil--BUST
Harrison Smith--DEFINITE HOME RUN
Shariff Floyd--BUST ( injury, could happen to anybody )
Xavier Rhodes-- SUCCESS
Cordarrelle Patterson--BUST ( Especially considering the draft capital spent to get him )
Anthony Barr--SUCCESS ( But not when you consider that they passed on Aaron fricking Donald , but Barr has been a starter for many years)
Teddy Bridgewater--BUST ( injury, could happen to anybody )
Trae Waynes--Success... but not by much
Laquon Treadwell--BUST
Mike Hughes--BUST
Garrett Bradbury--STILL Early but I am saying BUST
Justin Jefferson--Early,  but looks like a SUCCESS
Jeff Gladney--BUST

Christian Darrisaw--WAY TO EARLY.

9 BUSTS ( 7 if you dont count the 2 injuries to Teddy and Shariff) 
5 SUCCESSES

The NFL average is 53%, success on first round picks.  Looks like Speilman is under 42%.

Which is a great reason to trade 1st for DeShaun Watson.  Give them 3 firsts and Cousins, some later picks.  

We draft better beyond the first and with Watson and these weapons, we would be a threat in every game.  

@"Zanary" said:

@"Skodin" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Rigby" said: Christian Ponder Matt Kalil Harrison Smith  Shariff Floyd Xavier Rhodes Cordarrelle Patterson Anthony Barr Teddy Bridgewater Trae Waynes Laquon Treadwell Mike Hughes Garrett Bradbury Justin Jefferson Jeff Gladney Christian Darrisaw

You have to be better than this in the 1st.

Christian Ponder--BUST
Matt Kalil--BUST
Harrison Smith--DEFINITE HOME RUN
Shariff Floyd--BUST ( injury, could happen to anybody )
Xavier Rhodes-- SUCCESS
Cordarrelle Patterson--BUST ( Especially considering the draft capital spent to get him )
Anthony Barr--SUCCESS ( But not when you consider that they passed on Aaron fricking Donald , but Barr has been a starter for many years)
Teddy Bridgewater--BUST ( injury, could happen to anybody )
Trae Waynes--Success... but not by much
Laquon Treadwell--BUST
Mike Hughes--BUST
Garrett Bradbury--STILL Early but I am saying BUST
Justin Jefferson--Early,  but looks like a SUCCESS
Jeff Gladney--BUST

Christian Darrisaw--WAY TO EARLY.

9 BUSTS ( 7 if you dont count the 2 injuries to Teddy and Shariff) 
5 SUCCESSES

The NFL average is 53%, success on first round picks.  Looks like Speilman is under 42%.

Which is a great reason to trade 1st for DeShaun Watson.  Give them 3 firsts and Cousins, some later picks.  

We draft better beyond the first and with Watson and these weapons, we would be a threat in every game.  

You remind me of the people that wanted us to trade for Vick, even when he was outed as a psychotic dog murderer.

"Sure, he's got horrible issues and is a PR nightmare...but let's trade away 3 years of draft capital!".

Holy Hell...NO.

@"Skodin" said:

@"Zanary" said:

@"Skodin" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Rigby" said: Christian Ponder Matt Kalil Harrison Smith  Shariff Floyd Xavier Rhodes Cordarrelle Patterson Anthony Barr Teddy Bridgewater Trae Waynes Laquon Treadwell Mike Hughes Garrett Bradbury Justin Jefferson Jeff Gladney Christian Darrisaw

You have to be better than this in the 1st.

Christian Ponder--BUST
Matt Kalil--BUST
Harrison Smith--DEFINITE HOME RUN
Shariff Floyd--BUST ( injury, could happen to anybody )
Xavier Rhodes-- SUCCESS
Cordarrelle Patterson--BUST ( Especially considering the draft capital spent to get him )
Anthony Barr--SUCCESS ( But not when you consider that they passed on Aaron fricking Donald , but Barr has been a starter for many years)
Teddy Bridgewater--BUST ( injury, could happen to anybody )
Trae Waynes--Success... but not by much
Laquon Treadwell--BUST
Mike Hughes--BUST
Garrett Bradbury--STILL Early but I am saying BUST
Justin Jefferson--Early,  but looks like a SUCCESS
Jeff Gladney--BUST

Christian Darrisaw--WAY TO EARLY.

9 BUSTS ( 7 if you dont count the 2 injuries to Teddy and Shariff) 
5 SUCCESSES

The NFL average is 53%, success on first round picks.  Looks like Speilman is under 42%.

Which is a great reason to trade 1st for DeShaun Watson.  Give them 3 firsts and Cousins, some later picks.  

We draft better beyond the first and with Watson and these weapons, we would be a threat in every game.  

You remind me of the people that wanted us to trade for Vick, even when he was outed as a psychotic dog murderer.

"Sure, he's got horrible issues and is a PR nightmare...but let's trade away 3 years of draft capital!".

Holy Hell...NO.

So that's it for Watson, no more NFL?  Someone is going to take a chance on him and if he sees the field, that football team will benefit.

I would do the same deal for Wilson, I would mortgage the future of 1st round BUSTS for a franchise QB who can actually take this team to the super bowl.  Our GM hits on first rounders 1 out of every 3, small sacrifice for a MVP QB.

What is your solution?  Stick with Qirk?  Build around Mond?  Draft another QB?  Maybe we go re-tread to bring the QB cap number down in a couple years, Jimmy G, Ryan Tannehill, how about Tyrod Taylor?