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Tom P on NFL network just said the Vikings are making calls for a move up scenario for a sliding OL.
@"BarrNone55" said: I see nothing about Slater that would be compelling to require a move up. Probably the highest floor of the Top 3 OTs. You don't move up for safe in the top 10.It depends. I think there is a substantial drop-off between Sewell/Slater before you get to Darrisaw, AVT, and the rest of tier 2 O-lineman.
Vikings are a little tapped out without their 2nd round pick since it potentially forces them to reach for O-line. At #14 I don't know if the value is really there for Darrisaw (there are off-field concerns I was not aware of) and AVT. How much better are those two than Cosmi, Jenkins, and Eich? Ideally you'd be able to take advantage of the deep line class in round 2 but they just don't have that luxury.
Using process of elimination I think it makes sense to go get one of the top 2 guys otherwise you need to switch gears and look at D-lineman or trading back. I just don't think they're going to pull the trigger on the 3rd/4th lineman at #14 since the rest of the group is so closely ranked.
@"Geoff Nichols" said:@"BarrNone55" said: I see nothing about Slater that would be compelling to require a move up. Probably the highest floor of the Top 3 OTs. You don't move up for safe in the top 10. It depends. I think there is a substantial drop-off between Sewell/Slater before you get to Darrisaw, AVT, and the rest of tier 2 O-lineman.Vikings are a little tapped out without their 2nd round pick since it potentially forces them to reach for O-line. At #14 I don't know if the value is really there for Darrisaw (there are off-field concerns I was not aware of) and AVT. How much better are those two than Cosmi, Jenkins, and Eich? Ideally you'd be able to take advantage of the deep line class in round 2 but they just don't have that luxury.
Using process of elimination I think it makes sense to go get one of the top 2 guys otherwise you need to switch gears and look at D-lineman or trading back. I just don't think they're going to pull the trigger on the 3rd/4th lineman at #14 since the rest of the group is so closely ranked.
To me it seems they are just doing their homework if Sewell happens to drop. Like Barr, I just don't see the need to move up for Slater as there is a chance he could realistically fall in our laps without having to trade up. If anything we would just need to jump the Chargers picking one spot ahead of us.
Also the more I look at this draft there is just so much talent along the offensive line in the 3rd round that I don't even see a need for us to try and recoup that second round pick to address the offensive line. I'm betting Cleveland and O'Neill in some fashion will be the starting tackles next season and I still think Eric Fisher will be in play after the draft. We can pull two starting caliber guards out of our six 3rd and 4th round selections.
@"Geoff Nichols" said:@"BarrNone55" said: I see nothing about Slater that would be compelling to require a move up. Probably the highest floor of the Top 3 OTs. You don't move up for safe in the top 10. It depends. I think there is a substantial drop-off between Sewell/Slater before you get to Darrisaw, AVT, and the rest of tier 2 O-lineman.Vikings are a little tapped out without their 2nd round pick since it potentially forces them to reach for O-line. At #14 I don't know if the value is really there for Darrisaw (there are off-field concerns I was not aware of) and AVT. How much better are those two than Cosmi, Jenkins, and Eich? Ideally you'd be able to take advantage of the deep line class in round 2 but they just don't have that luxury.
Using process of elimination I think it makes sense to go get one of the top 2 guys otherwise you need to switch gears and look at D-lineman or trading back. I just don't think they're going to pull the trigger on the 3rd/4th lineman at #14 since the rest of the group is so closely ranked.
To me, the drop off is after Sewell. Then you've got Slater, Darrisaw, AVT. Then another tier of guys like Cosmi, Brown, etc.
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@"Geoff Nichols" said: I'll post a mock on Thursday but my first iteration where they went up for Sewell wasn't a fluke. Vikings have been interested in moving up and have been talking with teams (all the way up to ATL) for weeks. What I don't know is if they have Sewell or Slater as their top ranked O-lineman. I've heard it both ways.So if they cant trade up they may not even get darrisaw right? in that case wouldnt you plug in AVT at LG, cole at RG andd go?
@"BarrNone55" said:@"Geoff Nichols" said:@"BarrNone55" said: I see nothing about Slater that would be compelling to require a move up. Probably the highest floor of the Top 3 OTs. You don't move up for safe in the top 10. It depends. I think there is a substantial drop-off between Sewell/Slater before you get to Darrisaw, AVT, and the rest of tier 2 O-lineman.Vikings are a little tapped out without their 2nd round pick since it potentially forces them to reach for O-line. At #14 I don't know if the value is really there for Darrisaw (there are off-field concerns I was not aware of) and AVT. How much better are those two than Cosmi, Jenkins, and Eich? Ideally you'd be able to take advantage of the deep line class in round 2 but they just don't have that luxury.
Using process of elimination I think it makes sense to go get one of the top 2 guys otherwise you need to switch gears and look at D-lineman or trading back. I just don't think they're going to pull the trigger on the 3rd/4th lineman at #14 since the rest of the group is so closely ranked.
To me, the drop off is after Sewell. Then you've got Slater, Darrisaw, AVT. Then another tier of guys like Cosmi, Brown, etc.
Slater is considerably better than both Darrisaw and AVT and is more position versatile as well. Just my opinion but I won't be shocked if he comes off the board before Sewell. You look at guys ceilings and Slater could be Zack Martin when all is set and done. Purely at guard AVT may have a higher ceiling that Darrisaw but OTs will always have more value due to positional scarcity.
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A trade?@CourtneyRCronin takes a look at the options at #14. pic.twitter.com/XuPFtFotIr
If we give up next year's first for an OT we better damn well hit it out of the park. Man that'd be a tough ask. Just think if Kaptin Kirk went down with an injury and we went 2-14 or something stupid like that.
If you're trading next years 1st the guy you get better be decade long team changing.
@"purplefaithful" said:I wouldn't be so sure of that. Not that what I say matters, but I have Slater over Sewell. Daniel Jeremiah does as well. That said, you can't go wrong with either. They're pretty neck and neck. Slater is a slightly cleaner prospect though. JMO. JMF'NO.@"BarrNone55" said:Sewell is going to be the #1 OT taken...Maybe they see Slater as someone available in that 7-11 slot..· 11mSean Borman.@PAOnTheMic on KFAN said a #Vikings trade up would likely be for tackle Rashawn Slater twitter.com/tompelissero/s…
@"BarrNone55" said:@"Geoff Nichols" said:@"BarrNone55" said: I see nothing about Slater that would be compelling to require a move up. Probably the highest floor of the Top 3 OTs. You don't move up for safe in the top 10. It depends. I think there is a substantial drop-off between Sewell/Slater before you get to Darrisaw, AVT, and the rest of tier 2 O-lineman.Vikings are a little tapped out without their 2nd round pick since it potentially forces them to reach for O-line. At #14 I don't know if the value is really there for Darrisaw (there are off-field concerns I was not aware of) and AVT. How much better are those two than Cosmi, Jenkins, and Eich? Ideally you'd be able to take advantage of the deep line class in round 2 but they just don't have that luxury.
Using process of elimination I think it makes sense to go get one of the top 2 guys otherwise you need to switch gears and look at D-lineman or trading back. I just don't think they're going to pull the trigger on the 3rd/4th lineman at #14 since the rest of the group is so closely ranked.
To me, the drop off is after Sewell. Then you've got Slater, Darrisaw, AVT. Then another tier of guys like Cosmi, Brown, etc.
Have to agree with Geoff on this one. Sewell and Slater is a pick 'em, a small gap, then Darrisaw/AVT/Jenkins, then a big gap between that group and the others.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"BarrNone55" said:@"Geoff Nichols" said:@"BarrNone55" said: I see nothing about Slater that would be compelling to require a move up. Probably the highest floor of the Top 3 OTs. You don't move up for safe in the top 10. It depends. I think there is a substantial drop-off between Sewell/Slater before you get to Darrisaw, AVT, and the rest of tier 2 O-lineman.Vikings are a little tapped out without their 2nd round pick since it potentially forces them to reach for O-line. At #14 I don't know if the value is really there for Darrisaw (there are off-field concerns I was not aware of) and AVT. How much better are those two than Cosmi, Jenkins, and Eich? Ideally you'd be able to take advantage of the deep line class in round 2 but they just don't have that luxury.
Using process of elimination I think it makes sense to go get one of the top 2 guys otherwise you need to switch gears and look at D-lineman or trading back. I just don't think they're going to pull the trigger on the 3rd/4th lineman at #14 since the rest of the group is so closely ranked.
To me, the drop off is after Sewell. Then you've got Slater, Darrisaw, AVT. Then another tier of guys like Cosmi, Brown, etc.
Have to agree with Geoff on this one. Sewell and Slater is a pick 'em, a small gap, then Darrisaw/AVT/Jenkins, then a big gap between that group and the others.
Well, you're both wrong. :pensive:Lol. You know me, when I like my guys, I like my guys. In totality, looking at fit, I see Darrisaw on par with Slater if not slightly ahead. Everyone talks about how he,Slater, handled Young, but Zack Baun gave him fits. Plus, I can't teach Darrisaw's length.
3. Gregory Rousseau, Miami (6-foot-6½, 266, 4.66, Round 1): His freshman season ended after two games becaus eof a broken ankle that required surgery. Was second in the nation with 15½ sacks in 2019 before opting out in ’20.
“He’s not explosive, but he’s a really good technician,” one scout said. “He knows how to use his hands and get off blocks. He knows angles. He’s a really smart player. He has the pass-rush knack. He just has feel for what he needs to do. He’s what you want in a full-time defensive end.”
Ok, so the guy who had the best 10 yard split isn't explosive? In the same breath, the guy says he's a good technician. Because he was a WR/S recruit, he either learned technique at an exponential rate, or this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
@"BarrNone55" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"BarrNone55" said:@"Geoff Nichols" said:@"BarrNone55" said: I see nothing about Slater that would be compelling to require a move up. Probably the highest floor of the Top 3 OTs. You don't move up for safe in the top 10. It depends. I think there is a substantial drop-off between Sewell/Slater before you get to Darrisaw, AVT, and the rest of tier 2 O-lineman.Vikings are a little tapped out without their 2nd round pick since it potentially forces them to reach for O-line. At #14 I don't know if the value is really there for Darrisaw (there are off-field concerns I was not aware of) and AVT. How much better are those two than Cosmi, Jenkins, and Eich? Ideally you'd be able to take advantage of the deep line class in round 2 but they just don't have that luxury.
Using process of elimination I think it makes sense to go get one of the top 2 guys otherwise you need to switch gears and look at D-lineman or trading back. I just don't think they're going to pull the trigger on the 3rd/4th lineman at #14 since the rest of the group is so closely ranked.
To me, the drop off is after Sewell. Then you've got Slater, Darrisaw, AVT. Then another tier of guys like Cosmi, Brown, etc.
Have to agree with Geoff on this one. Sewell and Slater is a pick 'em, a small gap, then Darrisaw/AVT/Jenkins, then a big gap between that group and the others.
Well, you're both wrong. :pensive:Lol. You know me, when I like my guys, I like my guys. In totality, looking at fit, I see Darrisaw on par with Slater if not slightly ahead. Everyone talks about how he,Slater, handled Young, but Zack Baun gave him fits. Plus, I can't teach Darrisaw's length.
I would maybe give you that Darrisaw falls somewhere between Slater and AVT but they're distinct tiers. A lot of the media talk up AVT but I followed up and watched more tape on him and came to the strong opinion he's a guard in the NFL. Don't watch the tape of AVT vs. Kayvon Thibodeaux.
Sewell and Slater are a tier above Darrishaw, but it will very likely take a trade up to get Slater and Sewell will be long gone by #14. AVT is devalued because he shows as a guard in the NFL, albeit a damn good one -- question is whether #14 is too high for a guard.
I could certainly see Sewell gone and the price to trade up for Slater too steep. Trader Rick slides down the board in the hopes of getting AVT and recouping a 2nd or more capital with which to trade back into the second. It's just the way he rolls.
@"Purpleblooded" said: Sewell and Slater are a tier above Darrishaw, but it will very likely take a trade up to get Slater and Sewell will be long gone by #14. AVT is devalued because he shows as a guard in the NFL, albeit a damn good one -- question is whether #14 is too high for a guard.I could certainly see Sewell gone and the price to trade up for Slater too steep. Trader Rick slides down the board in the hopes of getting AVT and recouping a 2nd or more capital with which to trade back into the second. It's just the way he rolls.
So if its going to take an extremely high pick from next years picks to get Sewell or Slater, AVT isnt a consolation prize. You would need to feel confident in Clevlands abilities to hold down one of the OT spots or be willing to sign a T with your remaining FA money.
Would you rather have Sewell and no first next year or AVT and get to keep next years first?
I lean option #2
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