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If you told me I could get Jefferson or Ruggs at #22, Jones at #25 and a 3T in the 2nd I'd be all over that. Otherwise, the depth of this Class would seem to indicate that the best value is in the 3rd.

It's so easy to want one of the guys with true #1 WR potential, though. Adam isn't getting any younger. Guys like Pittman, Johnson, Ceephus et al profile more as #2 guys IMO. Which means you're looking for another again in a few years 

Of course, Lamb, Juedy, Ruggs and Jefferson may all very well be gone by #22 rendering it a moot point. Will be fascinating to see how many runs on certain position types happen this year. Do all the Tackles go early, artificially moving someone up like Jackson or Cleveland in the process? Will the same happen at Receiver? Or will guys slide? Going to be a fun watch.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FpuXiCed4fg

My guy in the 3rd.

@FSUVike To me, at 22, if one of the top 3 WRs is there, it's a no brainer. I doubt that plays out. I think what's most likely is CB3 or 4 is there, OT5, or DT3. I'm seeing guys like Van Jefferson, Higgins and Bowden in the 3rd or later, that represent, IMO, superior value.

@"FSUVike" said: If you told me I could get Jefferson or Ruggs at #22, Jones at #25 and a 3T in the 2nd I'd be all over that. Otherwise, the depth of this Class would seem to indicate that the best value is in the 3rd.

It's so easy to want one of the guys with true #1 WR potential, though. Adam isn't getting any younger. Guys like Pittman, Johnson, Ceephus et al profile more as #2 guys IMO. Which means you're looking for another again in a few years 

Of course, Lamb, Juedy, Ruggs and Jefferson may all very well be gone by #22 rendering it a moot point. Will be fascinating to see how many runs on certain position types happen this year. Do all the Tackles go early, artificially moving someone up like Jackson or Cleveland in the process? Will the same happen at Receiver? Or will guys slide? Going to be a fun watch.

The latter portion of your post is what I'm most intrigued by. The feeling I get as of today is that the OTs are going to fly off the board early. The WRs will start going fast in the early teens. Ruggs will likely be the first one to go. If the Vikings want Jefferson they might need to get up to #18 depending on what the Raiders do at #12. In such a deep class its hard to say you should spend additional assets to move up for a receiver. 

Best news is that there is a good chance the DBs will fall down the board. I wouldn't be shocked if pick #22 rolled around and only C.J Henderson is off the board. 

Honestly, spending premium draft capital on a CB is going to make me vomit. I'm prepared for it, but how many times I were going to do the exact same thing and expect different results?

Hit the line with both picks with the bpa, at the highest position of value, as it relates to the highest need. That's a 3T and either a T or IOL. 

Geoff, do you see a drop off from Henderson to the next group of CBs? Maroon pointed out in another post that the next group feels more like early 2nd value instead of getting selected at #25. I'm a little on the fence as I like Fulton more than most and Diggs and Terrell less than most.

@"BarrNone55" said: Honestly, spending premium draft capital on a CB is going to make me vomit. I'm prepared for it, but how many times I were going to do the exact same thing and expect different results?

Hit the line with both picks with the bpa, at the highest position of value, as it relates to the highest need. That's a 3T and either a T or IOL. 

It probably will depend on if they have strong feelings for a particular DB. If they do then they'll grab their guy. Otherwise I could see them waiting on DB until round 3. In my mind that 3rd wave of corners provides some of the best value in the draft. 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JHQLugqDGLA

@"Geoff Nichols" I'm assuming, due to the limited number of starts on the current roster, and bringing in Dom and the thing on his head, we'll see more zones...I can find zone guys Day 2...

@"BarrNone55" said: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FpuXiCed4fg

My guy in the 3rd.

tracks the ball well,  uses what little size he has to shield the defender off the ball nicely,  appears to have really good hands,   I am a little concerned about his slight frame and how he will hold up at the next level though.

@"FSUVike" said: Geoff, do you see a drop off from Henderson to the next group of CBs? Maroon pointed out in another post that the next group feels more like early 2nd value instead of getting selected at #25. I'm a little on the fence as I like Fulton more than most and Diggs and Terrell less than most.

I think there is a big drop-off in overall ceiling. In my mind Henderson kind of is the unlimited ceiling type with a somewhat safe floor. That will appeal to teams quite a bit. 

When it comes to year-1 impacts I don't think there is a huge drop-off. I'm a fan of Fulton but don't know if I necessarily like his fit here. Although they're similar in a lot of way I think the Vikings would prefer Jaylon Johnson to him. He's just a bit more explosive. But I think the reason people put a 2nd round value on the group is supply/demand. There are just a lot of similarly talented corners each with a slightly different skill set. So if you have a strong preference that means you're going to need to take him in the 1st. In a normal year (take away the supply) I think a lot of these guys probably go in the back 1/3 of the 1st round. 

3rd rd??  The sentimental, local fave...
I strongly believe both Tyler and AWJr are going to make great pro's. Would love to see em both on the Vikings. 

I'm thinking they will grab a safety especially if they move Harris. Even if they don't, Grant Delpit or Xavier McKinney would be really good picks for the long term.

@"MarkSP18" said: I'm thinking they will grab a safety especially if they move Harris. Even if they don't, Grant Delpit or Xavier McKinney would be really good picks for the long term.

Deplit can't tackle either of us. McKinney is drool-worthy.

After hearing what Geoff is saying about 3rd Round value I think you need to move up in the 1st to address the Lines. Whomever of Kinlaw/Brown or Wirfs/Wills/Becton that slides to the early teens.

Can you imagine Hunter/Kinlaw (or Brown)/Pierce/All Vowels plus another long-armed freak Athlete from the mid to later rounds for Dre and Mike to develop?

Wirfs/Unknown/Bradbury/Samia (if we're lucky)/O'Neill doesn't have quite the same ring to it but doesn't suck and gets another contract off the books with Reiff hitting the road.

CB and WR in the 3rd. Maybe a sneaky trade to add a Starter somewhere. Probably not as good as last year's team but still looking like a Playoff contender. 

Yeah, if I can turn the 22 into the 13 or so and snag Kinlaw or I'd look into that even if it cost the 58 and 105 plus a 2021 pick. 

Kinlaw is the deodorant our secondary will need.

#Minnesota WR Tyler Johnson vs. #Auburn (Outback Bowl)

• 12 receptions, 204 yards, 2 TDs
• Volume target in the slot
• PA + overs/crossers
• Out cuts
• RPO + slants
• 73 yard TD vs. Quarters (slot post)
• Ball skills to finish plays

6-foot-1, 206 @NFLMatchup pic.twitter.com/44L74Pi8C9

— Matt Bowen (@MattBowen41) March 27, 2020

Scouts are suspicious of Tyler Johnson's speed, but he chose not to run at the combine - and now pro days are canceled. Will the doubt make him slide?

Denzel Mims was used as a vertical/fade specialist — which makes sense for a 6'3" guy who ran a 4.38 40 — but when he got to run other routes, you'd see flashes of an explosive route runner.

Then you see his senior bowl tape and my goodness. First round talent in my eyes. pic.twitter.com/AM3CQG4eNw

— Nick Olson (@NickOlsonNFL) March 27, 2020

@"Jor-El" said: Scouts are suspicious of Tyler Johnson's speed, but he chose not to run at the combine - and now pro days are canceled. Will the doubt make him slide?

There are going to be a lot of prospects in that same boat who were hurt, elected not to run, or are smaller school guys who teams won't get a second chance to evaluate. This would also hinder the evaluation of guys with character concerns. It is definitely going to force teams to evaluate differently. Do they trust the tape, do guys with any sort of red flag fall further than usual, do smaller school guys end up going undrafted & become RFAs, & will there be a bias towards guys who attended the Senior Bowl, Shrine Game, Combine, & local prospects? If a team plays this situation right, they could come out big winners, but a lot of the usual safety nets are gone.