An Absurd Idea

[StickierBuns]

Derek Carr once had a season with 28 TD passes and 6 INTs...  went 12-3 as a starter and shit the bed in his first playoff game. Anyone banging down the door to bring in Derek Carr long term?  Cuz that's what we'll have with Darnold.  A QB who puts up good numbers, but is fundamentally flawed enough to not be able to win consistently against good teams in the playoffs.

No guarantees JJ McCarthy will, but I'd rather give him a chance to fail than sign up for a stats QB that can't play his best when it matters most.

Yep. Uncle Sammy had a nice run, but the sheets will end up back on the clothesline in big games. I'm obviously excited to see McCarthy play ball, he's only won national championships at every level.

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KOC made Dobbs look decent for a few games and Darnold good++ for 16...

I am excited to see what he can do with a QB that has the ceiling/intangibles of a McCarthy.

I'm good with it, do what we can to build a better surround in FA/draft around the kid and go. Probably wont see 14 wins in 25, but I'd be wearing shades a lot thinking the future is pretty bright.

[JustInTime]

Yep. Uncle Sammy had a nice run, but the sheets will end up back on the clothesline in big games. I'm obviously excited to see McCarthy play ball, he's only won national championships at every level.

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Question: Did you think he was capable of putting together the season he just did? Be honest.

I’ll assume your answer is no.

Question: Do you think it’s possible that KOC could coax an additional gain out of Darnold with another year of coaching? Let’s assume for arguments sake the iOL has been improved.

I’ll assume your eyebrows are at least slightly raised.

I’m not here to bash JJM, but outside an excellent preseason performance against the Raiders, we don’t have a clue how good or bad McCarthy is. None. Not many positions with a higher bust factor than QB. This isn’t debatable.

I’d bet on Darnold improving over last year with a better iOL and better running game happening before McCarthy producing 75% of what Darnold did.

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Derek Carr once had a season with 28 TD passes and 6 INTs...  went 12-3 as a starter and shit the bed in his first playoff game. Anyone banging down the door to bring in Derek Carr long term?  Cuz that's what we'll have with Darnold.  A QB who puts up good numbers, but is fundamentally flawed enough to not be able to win consistently against good teams in the playoffs.

No guarantees JJ McCarthy will, but I'd rather give him a chance to fail than sign up for a stats QB that can't play his best when it matters most.

We’re comparing Carr to Darnold? That’s not apples to oranges, that’s apples to aardvarks. There’s a reason Darnold went 3rd overall and Carr went in the second round. 

To date, Darnold hasn’t played to his best when it matters most exactly twice. Not a 7 year career of shitting the bed with the season on the line, but twice.  

Knowing the history of QBs, which is more likely, McCarthy being a bust or Darnold building on last season? 

Are we throwing out the baby with the bath water? We’ll never know most likely.

[StickierBuns]

Question: Did you think he was capable of putting together the season he just did? Be honest.

I’ll assume your answer is no.

Question: Do you think it’s possible that KOC could coax an additional gain out of Darnold with another year of coaching? Let’s assume for arguments sake the iOL has been improved.

I’ll assume your eyebrows are at least slightly raised.

I’m not here to bash JJM, but outside an excellent preseason performance against the Raiders, we don’t have a clue how good or bad McCarthy is. None. Not many positions with a higher bust factor than QB. This isn’t debatable.

I’d bet on Darnold improving over last year with a better iOL and better running game happening before McCarthy producing 75% of what Darnold did.

All fair questions, my man. I think Darnold is going to be what he has always been ultimately, I see no way KOC gets any additional gain out of him as skittish Sam Darnold returned in all its glory when it mattered most, unfortunately. You draft a QB top 10 and move up to do so....KOC called him a 'franchise QB' when he got injured and there were rumors he was neck and neck with Darnold at the end of training camp... JJM has that 'it' factor you can't teach....why wait another year to get him in there? We saw what other rookies did (Daniels, Nix) when starting, you can win with rookies. Zero doubt Minnesota will take a step back with McCarthy, but the thought is 2 steps forward the following year and maybe breaking this horrible, bed shitting narrative that all other Viking's QBs have had. And we all saw Uncle Sammy gloriously shit the bed. At some point, beyond stats and all the other things, don't we want more out of a QB? You won't know what you have in him until he starts and plays, just like anyone else.

I'd never bet on Darnold doing anything more than what he did in Minnesota. And when its all said and done, what did he really do? It was same ol', same ol' in the end. I want to see what KOC the QB whisperer can do with a new QB with the plastic still on him, unadulterated clay. Sam has things in his NFL DNA that will stop him from being a true winner, IMO. And I say this liking Darnold. But saying there's a higher likelihood of JJM being a bust than Darnold being better this year I seriously don't agree with. I also don't agree he had only 'two bad games', that isn't true.

[JustInTime]

It’s all a moot point because it will never happen.

I’ll just order myself a McCarthy whiteout jersey and see if we have ourselves the first real franchise QB since Francis.

[TheWinterSKOLdier]

JJ ain't going anywhere!

[StickierBuns]

JJ ain't going anywhere!

[JustInTime]

   

[purplefaithful]

It’s all a moot point because it will never happen.

I’ll just order myself a McCarthy whiteout jersey and see if we have ourselves the first real franchise QB since Francis.

Now, now...

Culpepper flamed-out in the end, but he was a true franchise QB for a while.

[AGRforever]

Now, now...

Culpepper flamed-out in the end, but he was a true franchise QB for a while.

Yes he was. He had everything you would ask for from a QB.

[badgervike]

Ok, 7 is strong but in no way farfetched:

1. Barron-CB competition: Blackmon, Nudie, Wright, Reddy Steward, Ambry Thomas, Even if you sign Reed, Barron still starts.

2. Harmon-4i competition: Bullard, LDR, something called Travis Bell. I like the chances he starts.

3. Booker-LG competition: Brandel, something called Henry Byrd. After KOC basically called out the iOL after the playoff loss, I like his chance to start.

4. Porter-CB competition: See 1

5. Emmanwori-Nickel competition: Also See 1. I project him as the big nickel/LB hybrid that BFlo is going to use in a similar fashion to Mettellus. This might be a stretch. But maybe Kahlef Hailassie beats him out.

6. Rutledge-RG competition: Ingram, Jurgens, Byrd. Do I have to go any further?

7. JCM-RB competition: Chandler, Zaiver Scott. Let's say for arguments sake they re-sign Jones. Is he starting all 17 games?

Doubtful? The whole premise has about a .00001 chance of playing out. But, if it were or something similar were to happen, I bet we'd pull multiple starters with a potential haul from JJM.

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If you use the Quick Reply box at the bottom, it doesn't embed the previous post.