Pardons

[Zanary]

You tighten up the tinfoil hat a little too much Z?  I was actually going to post this article and another one in the other thread you mentioned it.  As the article states, the EEOC is the one that brought the suit against Tesla.  The suit actually started by the CA version of the EEOC.  The plaintiff was initially awarded $115 mil than reduced to $30 mil..now down to $3,2 mil.   EEOC is the governing body not the organization that was eliminated by Trump.  The OFCCP focus was on minority participation and more recently DEI adherence for federal contractors. I had to file a DEI plan as part of my company's most recent GSA contract.  The EEOC is untouched.  The article conflated the role of the two organizations to make it boo scary.  The EEOC will continue to do racial investigations in the workplace. As you have said repeatedly, facts matter.

Btw..I tried to find info on the actual discrimination case.  Maybe it's just the world we live in but the BS alarms usually come out when a noose is involved ala Smullett, Bubba Wallace, and a number of lower profile cases where people were found to have planted the nooses themselves.

Well, in Bubba Wallace's case, the noose was found to have been left on the garage door (at the track, not his home) previously...but, no one noticed until then. As Bubba doesn't go to much trouble to scream about being the sole Black driver at the Cup level, I saw no reason to doubt the overall findings. Naturally, orange boi called him stupid and ignorant crap.

https://www.espn.com/racing/nascar/story...scar-tweet

Again, on brand...and people think that level of petulance needed re-electing. Amazing.

[badgervike]

Really?  That's the part you respond to.  You made references to DOGE cutting an agency behind a discrimination suit at Tesla in two different threads.  You even posted the article...which actually disproved the point.  You're always the first to call out one of the other posters if they post and defend utter nonsense in the strongest terms.  Yet the same standard of truthfulness and accuracy doesn't apply to you?  It's not all that hard to do a "yea...I guess that was wrong...sorry..lol" instead of doubling down.

As I said above, the noose thing raises my bs alarms.  We've had a lot of noose incidents that turned out to be (k)not.  The mini nooses on the table...that turned out to be remnants of a fisherman practicing knot tying at lunch.  The noose found at a rally...that turned out to be...a rope (I guess you could characterize that a DUI noose).  The mini nooses hanging from trees that were left over from Christmas tree decorations, etc.  We also had reported nooses hanging that turned out to be hoaxes.  

The Bubba Wallace thing...should have been handled quietly and discreetly without the need to elevate first and ask questions later.  There were a lot of accusations before the noose was found to be just a door pull.  And btw...Wallace is kind of a dick regardless of his race.

[Zanary]

Really?  That's the part you respond to.  You made references to DOGE cutting an agency behind a discrimination suit at Tesla in two different threads.  You even posted the article...which actually disproved the point.  You're always the first to call out one of the other posters if they post and defend utter nonsense in the strongest terms.  Yet the same standard of truthfulness and accuracy doesn't apply to you?  It's not all that hard to do a "yea...I guess that was wrong...sorry..lol" instead of doubling down.

As I said above, the noose thing raises my bs alarms.  We've had a lot of noose incidents that turned out to be (k)not.  The mini nooses on the table...that turned out to be remnants of a fisherman practicing knot tying at lunch.  The noose found at a rally...that turned out to be...a rope (I guess you could characterize that a DUI noose).  The mini nooses hanging from trees that were left over from Christmas tree decorations, etc.  We also had reported nooses hanging that turned out to be hoaxes.  

The Bubba Wallace thing...should have been handled quietly and discreetly without the need to elevate first and ask questions later.  There were a lot of accusations before the noose was found to be just a door pull.  And btw...Wallace is kind of a dick regardless of his race.

We can disagree on "disproven".

https://sfstandard.com/2025/02/06/trump-...stigation/

I went with the most "neutral" link I could find, because the Reynolds Wrap Collective will spit and hiss at anything vaguely left-leaning, and most of the stories were from that side...because it's not like "news" right of center seems to tell on the sunkist savior, do they?


"The Department of Labor’s Office of Federal Contract Compliance Programs enforced equal employment laws for federal contractors. The office’s employees now have little to do besides notifying companies that they will no longer be audited for potential discrimination — and, in some cases, that they won’t have to pay outstanding fines.

The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, which operates under a different department, sued Tesla in September 2023 for “widespread and ongoing racial harassment of its Black employees.” That case is ongoing even as Tesla’s board promised to end discrimination at company sites.

Tesla — and its Fremont factory in particular — was among a group of Bay Area companies that were to be audited by the OFCCP in 2024. That investigation was still underway, and findings had not been made public, when the office was shut down."

There are others, and I actually mentioned in a thread awhile back that's it's MASSIVE conflict of interest to have a guy with federal contracts (and who's unelected, unvetted, and armed with a pack of adolescents!?!?) suddenly have oversight largely eliminated. He's been as bad about accountability as the liar-in-chief, and now is basically only accountable to the modern exhibit A of "unaccountable".

If this doesn't concern people...those blinders must be THICK.

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But, that's okay...ELON will judge if he's in a conflict of interest!

https://fortune.com/2025/02/06/elon-musk...la-spacex/

"Musk, the CEO of Tesla and founder of SpaceX, and his team are riffling through government contracts and federal spending plans, axing those he suspects aren’t benefiting the American people.

The only problem is that Musk and his empire of businesses are significant government contractors—estimated to have won around $15.4 billion in work over the past decade."

So, no, badger, I don't agree with you. Yes, the suit got settled from one direction, but the investigation was continuing...and only VIP's Rich Boy can decide if he, himself, is in conflict.

SNL doesn't write skits this obvious, for fuggsakes.

[badgervike]

We can disagree on "disproven".

https://sfstandard.com/2025/02/06/trump-...stigation/

I went with the most "neutral" link I could find, because the Reynolds Wrap Collective will spit and hiss at anything vaguely left-leaning, and most of the stories were from that side...because it's not like "news" right of center seems to tell on the sunkist savior, do they?


"The Department of Labor’s Office of Federal Contract Compliance Programs enforced equal employment laws for federal contractors. The office’s employees now have little to do besides notifying companies that they will no longer be audited for potential discrimination — and, in some cases, that they won’t have to pay outstanding fines.

The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, which operates under a different department, sued Tesla in September 2023 for “widespread and ongoing racial harassment of its Black employees.” That case is ongoing even as Tesla’s board promised to end discrimination at company sites.

Tesla — and its Fremont factory in particular — was among a group of Bay Area companies that were to be audited by the OFCCP in 2024. That investigation was still underway, and findings had not been made public, when the office was shut down."

There are others, and I actually mentioned in a thread awhile back that's it's MASSIVE conflict of interest to have a guy with federal contracts (and who's unelected, unvetted, and armed with a pack of adolescents!?!?) suddenly have oversight largely eliminated. He's been as bad about accountability as the liar-in-chief, and now is basically only accountable to the modern exhibit A of "unaccountable".

If this doesn't concern people...those blinders must be THICK.

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But, that's okay...ELON will judge if he's in a conflict of interest!

https://fortune.com/2025/02/06/elon-musk...la-spacex/

"Musk, the CEO of Tesla and founder of SpaceX, and his team are riffling through government contracts and federal spending plans, axing those he suspects aren’t benefiting the American people.

The only problem is that Musk and his empire of businesses are significant government contractors—estimated to have won around $15.4 billion in work over the past decade."

So, no, badger, I don't agree with you. Yes, the suit got settled from one direction, but the investigation was continuing...and only VIP's Rich Boy can decide if he, himself, is in conflict.

SNL doesn't write skits this obvious, for fuggsakes.

Again Z...you just proved my exact point yet again.  Do you even bother to read the stuff you post?

"The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, which operates under a different department, sued Tesla in September 2023 for “widespread and ongoing racial harassment of its Black employees.” That case is ongoing even as Tesla’s board promised to end discrimination at company sites.

Tesla — and its Fremont factory in particular — was among a group of Bay Area companies that were to be audited by the OFCCP in 2024. That investigation was still underway, and findings had not been made public, when the office was shut down."

These are TWO different organizations.  Once again, the article jumps between the two organizations to deliberately mislead.  As I said prior, the EEOC is responsible for racial harassment cases.  The OFCCP, which was shuttered, is responsible for workforce participation quotas and DEI initiatives.  As the previous article said, the audit at Tesla was one of 2000 audits for federal contractors.  I've been through a number of them.  There's a lot of paperwork back and forth and some action/improvement plans to work on..virtually every time.  In the tech world, it's tough to maintain minority and disadvantaged quota participation rates.  As a country, we don't get enough women in STEM related disciplines so there are few to choose from and many of those get promoted quickly to meet diversity goals (which can cause pay disparity).  There's even less to choose from in the traditional minority ranks...thank God for the Asians to even have a chance at hitting some of the minority workforce goals.

So...you keep selling the same tired propaganda.  At this point, it's either ignorance or an attempt to deliberately deceive.

[Zanary]

Again Z...you just proved my exact point yet again.  Do you even bother to read the stuff you post?

"The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, which operates under a different department, sued Tesla in September 2023 for “widespread and ongoing racial harassment of its Black employees.” That case is ongoing even as Tesla’s board promised to end discrimination at company sites.

Tesla — and its Fremont factory in particular — was among a group of Bay Area companies that were to be audited by the OFCCP in 2024. That investigation was still underway, and findings had not been made public, when the office was shut down."

These are TWO different organizations.  Once again, the article jumps between the two organizations to deliberately mislead.  As I said prior, the EEOC is responsible for racial harassment cases.  The OFCCP, which was shuttered, is responsible for workforce participation quotas and DEI initiatives.  As the previous article said, the audit at Tesla was one of 2000 audits for federal contractors.  I've been through a number of them.  There's a lot of paperwork back and forth and some action/improvement plans to work on..virtually every time.  In the tech world, it's tough to maintain minority and disadvantaged quota participation rates.  As a country, we don't get enough women in STEM related disciplines so there are few to choose from and many of those get promoted quickly to meet diversity goals (which can cause pay disparity).  There's even less to choose from in the traditional minority ranks...thank God for the Asians to even have a chance at hitting some of the minority workforce goals.

So...you keep selling the same tired propaganda.  At this point, it's either ignorance or an attempt to deliberately deceive.

...I'm sorry, but I'm just chuckling at the spirited defense of an on-books felon, fraudster, sexual assaulter, utter and complete liar (you yourself have "aw shucks, he talks a lot of babble" posts in weak defense), and shameless attention whore. If I had a dime for every time his fan club, definitely among those here, either pulled the "...yeah, but the DEMS..." BS, or tried to just tsk-tsk away all the constant distortions that lying clown has thrown around, I'd be able to by Mar-a-Largo with cash.

Seriously, doesn't it get tiring? "Well, yeah, he's a constant liar AND philanderer AND known con man AND guilty of sexual assault AND...(etc etc etc)...but, er, MAGA!".

I'll admit that it's funny as hell to me, even if the implications aren't. What his fan club never wants to admit is that they wanted their very own philandering liar, so they could be "cool", too....

[badgervike]

I don't really care about the other nonsense Z. The schtick gets old. On this particular issue of the OFCCP, I gave you many chances to admit you were wrong and was actually much nicer than you are to others when they come in with puff policy pieces to justify their teams position. It's the typical rant filled deflection to avoid admitting the that you were wrong.

[Zanary]

I don't really care about the other nonsense Z.  The schtick gets old. On this particular issue of the OFCCP, I gave you many chances to admit you were wrong and was actually much nicer than you are to others when they come in with puff policy pieces to justify their teams position.  It's the typical rant filled deflection to avoid admitting the that you were wrong.

So, the investigation still being underway when the office was shut down...how does that strengthen your point?

Seriously?

Oh, and yes, it'll always be the "same old rant" BS, yet there's always so much new material...it's almost as if it's easier to just dismiss what you don't want to acknowledge, isn't it?

You won't meet the points about orange boi, just try and do general wave-offs. In person, I can only assume there's fingers in ears and shrieking "LA LA LA LA LA" with every new story.

Hey, if that brings you peace...and you can pretend that a $270 million campaign contribution isn't buying Elon a ton of special privileges, just...wow. Nothing anyone can say will make a differnce.

[badgervike]

Ok..one last time. Any article that jumps between an investigation and trial brought forward by the Equal Opportunity Commission and than jumps to an on-going audit from the OFFCP on Federal Contractor for DEI and minority / disadvantaged participation is deliberately attempting to lie. It would be like saying they found a body on the beach at Mar a lago...and than jump into an ongoing Fish and Wildlife investigation into Trump. The "Investigation" from the OFFCP is really a Contractor audit. They typically can go on for years. You have to file your minority / disadvantage percentages with the government. If they find the numbers deficient, you have to file your DEI plans to improve. This can be anything from hiring practices (attending minority job fairs, women's fairs, etc.), to offering transportation from high minority areas, to hiring minority subcontractors, to training and education for minority employees. Like I said, this can go on for years with a lot of back and forth. According to your first article, there were 2000 Federal Contractors in various stages of audit including Tesla. As some point, the government may fine you if they feel you're not making progress fast enough. Again, from your first article, they fined Google $1M.

So...don't conflate the roles of the EEOC and the OFFCP. They are completely unrelated so continuing to post articles that morph between the two is intellectually dishonest. The second point is that if you REALLY believe that Musk is doing all of this to avoid a potential $1M fine from the OFFCP, well...than you're just plain ignorant or deliberately lying so you can go on your daily Orange Boi rant. That's round off error to Musk.

I'm a small government guy so it's very refreshing to see Musk and crew actually doing something to address the size and scope of the government.

[Zanary]

Ok..one last time.  Any article that jumps between an investigation and trial brought forward by the Equal Opportunity Commission and than jumps to an on-going audit from the OFFCP on Federal Contractor for DEI and minority / disadvantaged participation is deliberately attempting to lie.  It would be like saying they found a body on the beach at Mar a lago...and than jump into an ongoing Fish and Wildlife investigation into Trump.  The "Investigation" from the OFFCP is really a Contractor audit.  They typically can go on for years.  You have to file your minority / disadvantage percentages with the government.  If they find the numbers deficient, you have to file your DEI plans to improve.  This can be anything from hiring practices (attending minority job fairs, women's fairs, etc.), to offering transportation from high minority areas, to hiring minority subcontractors, to training and education for minority employees.  Like I said, this can go on for years with a lot of back and forth.  According to your first article, there were 2000 Federal Contractors in various stages of audit including Tesla.  As some point, the government may fine you if they feel you're not making progress fast enough.  Again, from your first article, they fined Google $1M.

So...don't conflate the roles of the EEOC and the OFFCP.  They are completely unrelated so continuing to post articles that morph between the two is intellectually dishonest.  The second point is that if you REALLY believe that Musk is doing all of this to avoid a potential $1M fine from the OFFCP, well...than you're just plain ignorant or deliberately lying so you can go on your daily Orange Boi rant.  That's round off error to Musk.

I'm a small government guy so it's very refreshing to see Musk and crew actually doing something to address the size and scope of the government.

The approach is like using nukes to mosquitos in New Zealand. Shuttering whole agencies with wide-ranging operations rather than actually seeing what works vs what doesn't...is lazy, junk work by any standard. It's irresponsible grandstanding with terrifying ramifications.

I just saw Elon and his young son (I'm assuming named WuZark4.76/13) staring straight into a camera in the Oval Office babbling "I'm going to say incorrect things, sometimes"...which basically gives him license to keep misquoting or utterly fictionalizing his positions, with eventual shrugging of "oops, I was full of feces, again" somehow acceptable as "accountability".

He's obviously learned from his boss, though the orange trash heap would seemingly rather be faithful to a wife than admit error/deception...and, that's saying something...!

If you actually think my concern is about ONE leveraged investigation rather than the sweeping powers to sidestep/end many others...you're seriously trying too hard. Truly.

[badgervike]

So, the investigation still being underway when the office was shut down...how does that strengthen your point?

Seriously?

Oh, and yes, it'll always be the "same old rant" BS, yet there's always so much new material...it's almost as if it's easier to just dismiss what you don't want to acknowledge, isn't it?

You won't meet the points about orange boi, just try and do general wave-offs. In person, I can only assume there's fingers in ears and shrieking "LA LA LA LA LA" with every new story.

Hey, if that brings you peace...and you can pretend that a $270 million campaign contribution isn't buying Elon a ton of special privileges, just...wow. Nothing anyone can say will make a differnce.

Shuttering whole agencies with wide-ranging operations rather than actually seeing what works vs what doesn't...is lazy, junk work by any standard. It's irresponsible grandstanding with terrifying ramifications.

I just saw Elon and his young son (I'm assuming named WuZark4.76/13) staring straight into a camera in the Oval Office babbling "I'm going to say incorrect things, sometimes"...which basically gives him license to keep misquoting or utterly fictionalizing his positions, with eventual shrugging of "oops, I was full of feces, again" somehow acceptable as "accountability".

He's obviously learned from his boss, though the orange trash heap would seemingly rather be faithful to a wife than admit error/deception...and, that's saying something...!

If you actually think my concern is about ONE leveraged investigation rather than the sweeping powers to sidestep/end many others...you're seriously trying too hard. Truly.

So..now your issue is shuttering a Department that you didn't even know existed until yesterday and didn't know what they do.  The OFFCP didn't have wide ranging responsibilities...they were almost exclusively targeted at DEI since Obama created the organization by Executive Order in 2009.  Since we don't have DEI any more in the Federal Government, the remaining functions of minority participation can be folded back into the Department of Labor or GSA.  The Department is roughly 450 employees btw.

For the rest of it Z, I just find it amusing that you rail against others on this board repeatedly for lying and in this thread express your dislike of Trump because of his lying...while continuing to promote a demonstrably untrue position on the role of the OFFCP.  

Again, for DOGE's work, I find it immoral the debt we have accrued and will leave to our children unless something drastic is done.  The interest on the debt alone exceeds to Defense budget.  We're effectively just able to make interest payments on the National Credit Card without paying down any principal.  Every previous generation left their children in a better place.  My generation...not so much.  It's shameful.