We really picked Turner over Jared Verse??

[MaroonBells]

That Eagles DL though. Jordan Davis in the middle, Milton Williams and Jalen Carter outside. Milton Williams is a free agent on a lot of Viking fans wish lists, including mine. Not a great run defender, but he's an elite interior pass rusher.

[Canthony]

That Eagles DL though. Jordan Davis in the middle, Milton Williams and Jalen Carter outside. Milton Williams is a free agent on a lot of Viking fans wish lists, including mine. Not a great run defender, but he's an elite interior pass rusher.

I think Milton would work here. We have Pace, and I think that would mask an inside guy that isn't as strong in the run defense department. It would allow us to have more of an inside push with Pace being a blanket if needed in run support.

[JimmyinSD]

I'm not sure Flores is on board with that. Vikings ranked 2nd in the NFL against the run. What he really needs IMO is interior pass rush, so a guy who can plug the middle and rush the passer (like Dexter Lawrence) would be ideal. David had 1 sack all season.

Davis is largely used in run situations so his pass rush stats are shit,  likely because they have others like Carter that are much better at it.  At Davis's size he isnt an every down guy, but few are...either way I would much rather have had either of these two than the shit show that we ended up with in that draft.

[JimmyinSD]

Yeah he was well on his way. Why we passed on Donald for Barr. Floyd before his injury looked phenomenal. He was a force. No one saw that injury derailing his career.

he played for about 3 years ( 44 games, started 24) ,  averaged about 1 sack every 4 games,  a QB hit every 2 games,  and about 2 tackles per game.  IIRC there was a lot of talk at the time about him being a bust of a pick compared to the hype that he came in with.  I dont think he was on the verge of much, maybe I am mis-remembering, but he certainly wasnt a player that was likely to make my list of great defensive linemen for the Vikings,  just another nice piece at best.

[DH11]

He has won every level he has played. I have explained this Turner vs Verse with this dude multiple times. Hes 4 years older. Turner was known he will take time to come into his own body. He was 20. Verse is 4 years older. JJ is a winner and has won at every level. Has that factor to him. You know, the things you can't teach. I would take Turner every time over Verse. Turner should have went 8th overall at his age. Not Verse. Dudes just a clown.

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How many times do I need to prove that you are wrong. JJ was put out with 2's on offense against the 1's on defense and JJ outplayed Darnold. As a 21 year old fucking rookie. They never did that again in camp. Why? Because they knew what they had.

lol
Ya sure

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You might be right,  hell hedging on the side of failure puts the odds in your favor,  but like it or not he is the future of this franchise and with Darnold returning to the mean the last half of the season... that future with JJM will start soon.

This tape is alarming to me not once did look past his first option, panicked and threw three terrible interceptions!  That was amateur hour against a team like bowling Green come on man that’s ridiculous. 

He was a caretaker in college - doubt he’s even in the league 10 years from now. I’m a diehard Viking fan and will be pulling for him if he plays next year but I would say there’s a 10% chance if even that he’s successful.

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Let’s face it - the general managers drafting has been simply atrocious, and I’m supposed to trust the quarterback he drafted when he was merely a caretaker at Michigan. He was along for the ride the FEW times he was asked to do anything He peed down his leg.

[Canthony]

he played for about 3 years ( 44 games, started 24) ,  averaged about 1 sack every 4 games,  a QB hit every 2 games,  and about 2 tackles per game.  IIRC there was a lot of talk at the time about him being a bust of a pick compared to the hype that he came in with.  I dont think he was on the verge of much, maybe I am mis-remembering, but he certainly wasnt a player that was likely to make my list of great defensive linemen for the Vikings,  just another nice piece at best.

Maybe I am misremembering... I just remember he had that knee injury through his first two years until he decided to have surgery, which was botched from I remember, and it ended his career. I think he had a lawsuit for it too against Andrews I thought. I just remember a lot of talk saying he was the perfect 3 tech for Zimmer and that he wasn't being used correctly before Zimmer. Well, he never got that chance. That may be what I remember the talk about. The "thought" of him being used in the right system and the center piece of Zims defense.

[JR44]

For the last 3 years it is painfully obvious that Kwesi should have not been in position to run a draft. The argument of Turner being 4 years younger is not a valid one, when you are picking that hight in the draft for a non-QB, it has to be an immediate impact player, not a guy you are grooming. Then take the fact you also gave up a 3rd, 4th and 5th to move up to get him and that is a lot of picks that could have been used on a really poor OL and DL.

[JimmyinSD]

Maybe I am misremembering... I just remember he had that knee injury through his first two years until he decided to have surgery, which was botched from I remember, and it ended his career. I think he had a lawsuit for it too against Andrews I thought. I just remember a lot of talk saying he was the perfect 3 tech for Zimmer and that he wasn't being used correctly before Zimmer. Well, he never got that chance. That may be what I remember the talk about. The "thought" of him being used in the right system and the center piece of Zims defense.

IMO the biggest thing that made Zimmers D work was a space eater at DT that demanded a double to allow his double A blitz to work,  when Joseph was at his peak was when Zimmers D was at its best.  Dont get me wrong,  you can never go wrong with a big man that can move creating pressure in the QBs face allowing the LB to drop in coverage,  but I just never really got the "ready to explode" from Floyd ( funny thing is though... IIRC I was defending him against those calling him a bust back in the day,  I thought he could be more,  just wasnt finding it in Minny)

[Canthony]

For the last 3 years it is painfully obvious that Kwesi should have not been in position to run a draft.  The argument of Turner being 4 years younger is not a valid one, when you are picking that hight in the draft for a non-QB, it has to be an immediate impact player, not a guy you are grooming.  Then take the fact you also gave up a 3rd, 4th and 5th to move up to get him and that is a lot of picks that could have been used on a really poor OL and DL.

I see your point. Turner was really coming on the last 6 games. It took him a bit, but I believe he got there. His pass rushing skills are next to no one IMO. Flores has a complex defense as well. Turner did struggle with getting it. The last 4 games he had a 60% pressure rate (next gen stats), when in the game, which is really impressive and that I think says a lot of what we are going to see moving forward. Many experts and NexGen say he has it and is just scratching the surface. 

Remember Chris Doleman? 3.5 sacks his first two years combined. I don't see Turner taking that long. I think he will be huge out the gate come 2025.

[JimmyinSD]

For the last 3 years it is painfully obvious that Kwesi should have not been in position to run a draft.  The argument of Turner being 4 years younger is not a valid one, when you are picking that hight in the draft for a non-QB, it has to be an immediate impact player, not a guy you are grooming.  Then take the fact you also gave up a 3rd, 4th and 5th to move up to get him and that is a lot of picks that could have been used on a really poor OL and DL.

personally.. I would extend KOC,  but KAM would have to wait until after the upcoming FA and draft.  He has shown the ability to move chess pieces, but hasnt shown that he knows how the game is played.  He totally screwed up his first draft,  didnt do much his second ( although getting Cheech Addison as a back up plan to JJ was a good move IMO ) and this last one...well he saw something he liked and went after it and time will tell,  but I still wouldnt offer him an extension until I see how he handles this offseason.