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Mr. Sammy Darnold, you glorious bastard....
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(12-23-2024, 05:06 PM)purplefaithful Wrote: Your guess is as good as mine CA, but i saw it happen with KC yr2 in the KOC offense. 

I think Sam is going to be priced out of our mkt tbh - some team will over him >$39mm. Some franchise that he will find palatable enough to leave for. 

But Im enjoying the ride this year and waiting to see what unfolds the next mos or so. I'm bringing my nephew to the Pack game Sunday night and he's out of his mind excited. Just at that right 20 something age when he hasn't been scarred yet.

I think this point we will tag and trade him. KOC can then work with Darnold on his best fit and get something back. It helps that it is a weak QB class. 

The game should be fun for him! Nice seats too
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(12-23-2024, 05:14 PM)Canthony Wrote: I think this point we will tag and trade him. KOC can then work with Darnold on his best fit and get something back. It helps that it is a weak QB class. 

The game should be fun for him! Nice seats too

Tagging a 1yr reclamation project is a dick move. We have less leverage then we think. Teams would know who we want to start. 

Take the comp pick.
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(12-23-2024, 09:30 PM)AGRforever Wrote: Tagging a 1yr reclamation project is a dick move. We have less leverage then we think. Teams would know who we want to start. 

Take the comp pick.

it would be a smart move, that Is what the front office guys are paid to do, maximize moves that make Vikings better.

There will be no comp pick
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(12-23-2024, 11:09 AM)MaroonBells Wrote: And all three of those seasons were MVP seasons for those QBs. This is the stat that is one of the more meaningful in my opinion because it measures week-in, week-out consistency. We need to remove all the Darnold qualifiers, like "for a bridge QB" or "for a castoff." What he's doing is historic by any standard.
Historic indeed.
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(12-23-2024, 09:30 PM)AGRforever Wrote: Tagging a 1yr reclamation project is a dick move. We have less leverage then we think. Teams would know who we want to start. 

Take the comp pick.

A comp pick is hardly a lock. Also that pick wouldnt be until the 26 draft.

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It's possible that Darnold's contract prohibits the Vikings from tagging him at all. If Darnold's agent didn't insist on this, then he should be fired for negligence.
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(Yesterday, 08:18 AM)Knucklehead Wrote: It's possible that Darnold's contract prohibits the Vikings from tagging him at all. If Darnold's agent didn't insist on this, then he should be fired for negligence.

Lets remember that he was a free agent for a reason,  his track record wasnt putting him in a strong position to negotiate.   Vikings offered a good shot at starting again,  thats a lot for the resume.
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On the NFL Insider: The Vikings have a problem to solve at quarterback, but it’s a problem that seems tailor-made for the one-year franchise tag.


This isn’t word for word, but the preseason prediction for the 2024 Vikings from this corner of the football world went something like this:
No Way In God’s Green Earth Sam Darnold Leads The Vikings To The Playoffs!

Result: Wide wrong.

Care to go double or nothing on this 2025 prediction?

No Way In God’s Purple Earth Sam Darnold Doesn’t Get Franchise Tagged For An Estimated $39,637,000!

Thoughts?

“That’s above my pay grade,” former Vikings quarterback and 2002 NFL MVP Rich Gannon said a few weeks ago when our discussion about Darnold’s MVP chances turned to thoughts of where Darnold’s feet might land and for how much in 2025.

Gannon, however, did offer some advice as a guy who, like Darnold, spent his first six seasons in a dysfunctional situation — with the Vikings, ironically — before eventually gaining his career foothold en route to winning MVP at 37 — 10 years older than Darnold is now.

“Let’s throw out some arbitrary numbers,” Gannon said. “Let’s say he can re-sign for $40 million a year and stay with the Vikings, a place you like, a good organization, a head coach [Kevin O’Connell] you believe in, good play-caller who believes in you, you thrive in his system, you got those weapons, Justin Jefferson …

“Or you can get $50 million and go somewhere else. Do the latter and I think he’s making a huge mistake. What difference does it make if you take $50 million and you’re out on the street again in a year and a half because it’s not the right situation again?”

Darnold was considered pricey last spring when he got $10 million to A) serve as the Vikings’ short-term bridge to rookie J.J. McCarthy and, B) prove to everyone else he’s either starting-caliber or, at worst, the next Andy Dalton.

The market has changed considerably since McCarthy’s season-ending knee injury in August and Darnold’s ensuing MVP-caliber play for a team that’s 13-2 and needs no outside help to win the NFC’s No. 1 seed. So those who suggested four months ago that Darnold might be lucky to get a Baker Mayfield-type deal ($33.3 million a year) probably aimed a little low.

“If Sam can just keep the car on the road, he’s going to make a boatload of money,” Gannon said. “There’s been 30 coaches fired in the last four years. And 29 of them were fired because they couldn’t get the quarterback right, including Bill Belichick. Brandon Staley got fired for other reasons, because he had Justin Herbert. And there will be six or seven more this year, too.”

O’Connell has said there will be a time and place for Darnold and the team to discuss 2025. That time and place isn’t heading into back-to-back games against Green Bay and Detroit.

The Vikings have a problem to solve, but it’s the best problem to have. It’s also a problem that seems tailor-made for the one-year franchise tag.

The team still has lofty dreams for McCarthy. It also has several other roster spots to address primarily in free agency since there’s limited draft capital.

What the franchise tag does is buy the Vikings up to a year to figure things out. They can work slowly with McCarthy. They can build the roster without tying future cap space to Darnold. They can trade him like the Patriots did in 2009 when they franchised Matt Cassel and then traded him along with Mike Vrabel for the 34th overall pick.

And if the Vikings don’t tag and trade, they get to keep a strong-armed 27-year-old who’s been mentally-reprogrammed by K.O. the QB Whisperer himself.

Here’s a taste of what the two of them have done so far in Year 1 together:
Rank fourth in passer rating (105.4), fourth in yards per attempt (8.2), fifth in touchdown passes (32) and sixth in yards passing (3,776).
Rank second in game-winning drives (5). Only a guy named Patrick Mahomes (7) has more.
Rank tied for first with Lamar Jackson in games with a 100-plus passer rating (12). Only two players in NFL history have had seasons with more than 12: Aaron Rodgers had 13 in 2011 and 14 in 2020. Mahomes had 13 in 2018.

Rodgers and Mahomes won league MVP each of those years. Darnold is an MVP dark horse, but the race isn’t over.

Sure, Darnold probably won’t like being tagged. But, hey, he’s still young and he’d be getting roughly $40 million to soothe the pain for another year. And staying where his career went from flop to franchise tag wouldn’t be such a bad thing either.

“Just running for the best financial situation at the quarterback position is not always the best thing,” Gannon said. “Being with the right person, the right people, the right coaches, is the way to go.”

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Been talking about this since his first 2 games. Right now if I’m Kwesi, I offer him 3 years 100 , 2 yrs 75 and 1 year 40 no tag. If he doesn’t want any of those then consider tagging him.

Can you imagine another possible leap he could take with a 2nd year in KOC’s system?

If he signed any of those it’s a bargain. And if he walks we still have JJ McCarthy and Danny Dimes in the pen
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(Yesterday, 06:53 PM)Bullazin Wrote: Been talking about this since his first 2 games.  Right now if I’m Kwesi, I offer him 3 years 100 , 2 yrs 75 and 1 year 40 no tag.  If he doesn’t want any of those then consider tagging him. 

Can you imagine another possible leap he could take with a 2nd year in KOC’s system? 

If he signed any of those it’s a bargain.  And if he walks we still have JJ McCarthy and Danny Dimes in the pen

Isnt Jones a free agent as well?
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