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MaroonBells · 04-01-2025, 09:47 AM

(04-01-2025, 08:30 AM)purplefaithful Wrote: The duration of his contract gives the Vikings a little more time than they had with O’Connell’s deal. While coaches’ contracts generally expire after the season, GM deals run until after the draft, to provide front office stability through the busiest part of the offseason. According to a source with knowledge of the situation, Adofo-Mensah’s contract does not expire until after the 2026 NFL draft.

Harumph. They're clearly lying. The delay is about his crap drafts. To see it any other way is just putting on purple colored lenses.

StickierBuns · 04-01-2025, 09:49 AM

(04-01-2025, 09:47 AM)MaroonBells Wrote: Harumph. They're clearly lying. The delay is about his crap drafts. To see it any other way is just putting on purple colored lenses.

Dude....you ok? Seriously. Its either nap time or you need a new bottle. Childish. We can disagree, you know.

MaroonBells · 04-01-2025, 10:03 AM

(04-01-2025, 09:49 AM)StickierBuns Wrote: Dude....you ok? Seriously. Its either nap time or you need a new bottle. Childish. We can disagree, you know.

Sorry, did I misquote you?

StickierBuns · 04-01-2025, 10:04 AM

(04-01-2025, 10:03 AM)MaroonBells Wrote: Sorry, did I misquote you?

You seem like a fun guy.

supafreak84 · 04-01-2025, 10:06 AM

None of Kwesi's results have been surprising if you consider his background. He's a numbers/analytics guy, so it's not surprising along with Bryz's wizardry that they've been able to navigate the salary cap and structure contracts favorably. Kwesi's strong suit has been free agency where he is able to analyze known quantities with input from his coaches. I think he's done well trading for known quantities like Hockenson and the Cam Robinson acquisition really saved our season last year. It also shouldn't be surprising that the areas he has struggled in all deal with unknown quantities, those being the draft and trade compensation in the draft. Those are more difficult waters to navigate when you lack experience and a scouting background. I think if you combined Kwesi's numbers smarts with Spielman's scouting accumen...we'd have the perfect GM.

StickierBuns · 04-01-2025, 10:07 AM

(04-01-2025, 10:06 AM)supafreak84 Wrote: None of Kwesi's results have been surprising if you consider his background. He's a numbers/analytics guy, so it's not surprising along with Bryz's wizardry that they've been able to navigate the salary cap and structure contracts favorably. Kwesi's strong suit has been free agency where he is able to analyze known quantities with input from his coaches. I think he's done well trading for known quantities like Hockenson and the Cam Robinson acquisition really saved our season last year. It also shouldn't be surprising that the areas he has struggled in all deal with unknown quantities, those being the draft and trade compensation in the draft. Those are more difficult waters to navigate when you lack experience and a scouting background. I think if you combined Kwesi's numbers smarts with Spielman's scouting accumen...we'd have the perfect GM.

This ^

MaroonBells · 04-01-2025, 10:22 AM

(04-01-2025, 10:06 AM)supafreak84 Wrote: None of Kwesi's results have been surprising if you consider his background. He's a numbers/analytics guy, so it's not surprising along with Bryz's wizardry that they've been able to navigate the salary cap and structure contracts favorably. Kwesi's strong suit has been free agency where he is able to analyze known quantities with input from his coaches. I think he's done well trading for known quantities like Hockenson and the Cam Robinson acquisition really saved our season last year. It also shouldn't be surprising that the areas he has struggled in all deal with unknown quantities, those being the draft and trade compensation in the draft. Those are more difficult waters to navigate when you lack experience and a scouting background. I think if you combined Kwesi's numbers smarts with Spielman's scouting accumen...we'd have the perfect GM.

I don't disagree with this. Analytics will always be a more accurate and effective tool on the pro level than it is among the thousands of players on the college level.

*JimmyinSD* · 04-01-2025, 10:38 AM

(04-01-2025, 07:07 AM)JustInTime Wrote: Interesting. What would you deem as success for year 2?

Edge depth, unless I’m missing someone, is Turner, Murphy, and Ritcher. I’ll assume Turner gets the bulk of the snaps vacated by Jones and some of Ward’s. I know they’re really high on Murphy. I think I’d die laughing if Turner has a really good year but Murphy performs on par with him if not even better.

He is a first round pick ( that actually cost more than 1 first round pick ) so if he isnt a high level contributor in year two, I will be considering the pick a bust ( not the player ) but the pick, you cant give up that many resources for a guy that doesnt have a major role on your team after a full season of participation.

I would likely define that as a guy getting 60+% of the defensive snaps, and has the stats that support him getting even more snaps. I want to see teams accounting for his alignment on most snaps. He is still young, I wont say he is a bust if he isnt at that point yet, but I would say he was over drafted if he isnt since after this year he will be 40% through his rookie deal and the biggest advantage to a young player is the cheap cost for the level of play you get.

supafreak84 · 04-01-2025, 11:17 AM

(04-01-2025, 10:22 AM)MaroonBells Wrote: I don't disagree with this. Analytics will always be a more accurate and effective tool on the pro level than it is among the thousands of players on the college level.

Which brings me back full circle to..if you know that's a weak spot for your inexperienced GM, could you really not do any better than bringing in Ryan Grigson to be his right hand man and veteran "voice of reason" in the draft room? That guy was hot dog shit in Indy and got canned in 4 years despite starting his tenure there having stumbled upon the number #1 overall pick that became Andrew Luck. Bjorn Werner, Phillip Dorsett, Trent Richardson trade..and the list goes on. My mind is still blown that this guy has a seat at our table when it comes to drafting and evaluating college talent.

JustInTime · 04-01-2025, 11:27 AM

(04-01-2025, 10:38 AM)JimmyinSD Wrote: He is a first round pick ( that actually cost more than 1 first round pick ) so if he isnt a high level contributor in year two, I will be considering the pick a bust ( not the player ) but the pick, you cant give up that many resources for a guy that doesnt have a major role on your team after a full season of participation.

I would likely define that as a guy getting 60+% of the defensive snaps, and has the stats that support him getting even more snaps. I want to see teams accounting for his alignment on most snaps. He is still young, I wont say he is a bust if he isnt at that point yet, but I would say he was over drafted if he isnt since after this year he will be 40% through his rookie deal and the biggest advantage to a young player is the cheap cost for the level of play you get.

That seems reasonable. Greenie and Ginks were both over 80%, Jones at 46% of the snaps. Turner has to be penciled in for at least as much as Jones.

It’ll be interesting to see if they use him off ball a bit. Personally I would have limited what he did year 1 as far as drops go and just turn him lose in attack mode. His dip and rip is outstanding. Then he can straight arm a OT back into the QB. Now with pressure up the middle the guys off the edge will feast. Pretty jacked for year 2.