Vikings Were One Of The Teams Supposed To Attend Kaepernick's Workout But

@"greediron" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"kahsmick" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"kahsmick" said: He's no Lamar Jackson. I was a CK fan when he destroyed GB with his legs in The Playoffs. That guy is long gone. And the weird politics, disagreements, PC stuff, and mouthy boasting after 60 throws at his workout are EXACTLY why He isn't gonna ever take another live snap in The NFL. Red Flags all over the place and he's the one throwing them up by all appearances.

Missed the mouthy boasting post workout. What did he say?

I heard him talking to press about how teams can't run from the truth after seeing his workout.  It was kinda lame.  I was left with the impression he was either insecure about his talent, or not really serious about doing whatever it took to get on a roster.

Here is the exact quote. Not really the mouthy boasting alluded to by another poster. 

“I’ve been ready for three years,” Kaepernick said. “I’ve been denied for three years. We all know why. I came out here and showed it today in front of everybody. We have nothing to hide. So we’re waiting for the 32 owners, the 32 teams, Roger Goodell, all of them to stop running — stop running from the truth, stop running from the people.”

Not sure what you would call it then.  Definitely boastful, arrogant, delusional.

Sorry Big---the ceo spot on the 32 teams requires a little common sense also.  If he wanted to get back in the league it might behoove him to have some humility(hell he can write books and sell the movie rights after his career)  but 

All of them to stop running, stop running from the truth, stop running from the people.

Eff him it's his career let him politicize it---just please don't tell me he deserves a spot if he doesn't want take it down a notch.

@"bigbone62" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"kahsmick" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"kahsmick" said: He's no Lamar Jackson. I was a CK fan when he destroyed GB with his legs in The Playoffs. That guy is long gone. And the weird politics, disagreements, PC stuff, and mouthy boasting after 60 throws at his workout are EXACTLY why He isn't gonna ever take another live snap in The NFL. Red Flags all over the place and he's the one throwing them up by all appearances.

Missed the mouthy boasting post workout. What did he say?

I heard him talking to press about how teams can't run from the truth after seeing his workout.  It was kinda lame.  I was left with the impression he was either insecure about his talent, or not really serious about doing whatever it took to get on a roster.

Here is the exact quote. Not really the mouthy boasting alluded to by another poster. 

“I’ve been ready for three years,” Kaepernick said. “I’ve been denied for three years. We all know why. I came out here and showed it today in front of everybody. We have nothing to hide. So we’re waiting for the 32 owners, the 32 teams, Roger Goodell, all of them to stop running — stop running from the truth, stop running from the people.”

Not sure what you would call it then.  Definitely boastful, arrogant, delusional.

This is what happens when people have such a strong dislike for someone/something. 

"I've been ready for three years". 

Which  reaction of yours does this check off? You prefer he say he's been sitting around for 3 years not caring?

"I came out here today and showed it in front of everybody."

Really obnoxious of him. So your basic canned cliche sports response every player uses? That gets you worked up? Good lord if being boastful gets you lathered up, and you call this boastful make sure to skip any and all future sports  post game interviews. 

"all of them to stop running, stop running from the truth, stop running from the people. "

You understand when he says the "truth" he's talking about being black balled right? Not the truth as in he's some all world QB. Even people who are against this guy pretty much universally agree, and gloat about him being black balled. Now if you dont think the shit show around this guy is what has kept him out of the league we can stop there.

To me his politics is sort of an irrelevant sideshow, it doesn't change minds or improve things it mostly polarizes football fans so it's of no interest to me personally.    But reality is, who needs a backup qb that makes himself a constant lightning rod for attention/controversy?  No team is interested in that.   His skillset was running qb and that skillset is mostly gone because that happens with age, so what you have is a relatively inaccurate passer who was benched late in his career due to lack of production.   Nothing has changed for the better in that regard because he's been off the field aging the whole time.   His mindset and media persona are not those of an NFL backup qb which is his ceiling at this point so I don't see how he gets a job.   

Just a few random thoughts...

Malcolm Jenkins has done far more regarding the issue than Kaep.

Nate Boyer.

Kaep is one of the 64 best QBs on the planet. 

The waiver the NFL wanted was more about muzzling Kaep than injury protection.

Without using Google, I'm willing to bet the majority of people reading this have no idea who Nate Boyer is.

I cringed when I saw the t-shirt. It wasn't about showcasing your ability, it was about venting your spleen. Figure it out, that shit has gotten you NO WHERE.

I honestly do not think he CK has any interest in taking the redemption path that is so well
laid out in the NFL.  That path is to take a low salary, if not league minimum, position as a backup then wait for an opportunity that may or may not come due to poor play by the starter or injury.  

Honestly not one coach wants the weekly distraction that a backup QB would bring to the team.   CK is a middling passer with a lot of baggage.

Not one successful team needs him and not one struggling team who does not want to alienate its fanbase wants him either.  

BTW if he had the skills of Jackson Or Mahommes Rodgers or Brady he would be on a roster.  He just doesn’t but he is better than our backup for instance and as a fan I would want the skillset but not the  headache. 

@"Akvike" said: Sorry Big---the ceo spot on the 32 teams requires a little common sense also.  If he wanted to get back in the league it might behoove him to have some humility(hell he can write books and sell the movie rights after his career)  but 

All of them to stop running, stop running from the truth, stop running from the people.

Eff him it's his career let him politicize it---just please don't tell me he deserves a spot if he doesn't want take it down a notch.

But the people who cant just admit one or the other who continually look to invent reasons to slam the guy are laughable. 
You can tell who these people are based on how ridiculously hyperbolic they get and whether or not they reply when proven wrong. Or if they run to a different thread and move the goal post on the argument.

Pre workout it was all about how he had to do this because he was broke and stupid. That argument gets dismantled and people run to a new thread and change the narrative to Collin is some massive loud mouth. The comments highlighted about are so mundane, none of which are him actually bragging about his abilities. But actually commenting about being black balled. 

If these vanilla comments trigger people so bad Id hate to see them after hearing Ochocinco, Mayweather, TO and every athlete ever to speak of themselves in the 3rd person. How about some critical thinking skills on this? Rather than seeking click bait stories that further confirmation bias and use half truths and partial quotes. Why not watch/read an interview start to finish. I am still looking for these over the top comments he made about how wonderful he is. People who lack critical thinking in this dont bother to take the time to notice that through out all of this Collin hasn't really said a whole hell of a lot.  What has happened is the media and certain politicians continue to turn old quotes into new click bait stories.  

@"KingBash" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"kahsmick" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"kahsmick" said: He's no Lamar Jackson. I was a CK fan when he destroyed GB with his legs in The Playoffs. That guy is long gone. And the weird politics, disagreements, PC stuff, and mouthy boasting after 60 throws at his workout are EXACTLY why He isn't gonna ever take another live snap in The NFL. Red Flags all over the place and he's the one throwing them up by all appearances.

Missed the mouthy boasting post workout. What did he say?

I heard him talking to press about how teams can't run from the truth after seeing his workout.  It was kinda lame.  I was left with the impression he was either insecure about his talent, or not really serious about doing whatever it took to get on a roster.

Here is the exact quote. Not really the mouthy boasting alluded to by another poster. 

“I’ve been ready for three years,” Kaepernick said. “I’ve been denied for three years. We all know why. I came out here and showed it today in front of everybody. We have nothing to hide. So we’re waiting for the 32 owners, the 32 teams, Roger Goodell, all of them to stop running — stop running from the truth, stop running from the people.”

Not sure what you would call it then.  Definitely boastful, arrogant, delusional.

This is what happens when people have such a strong dislike for someone/something. 

"I've been ready for three years". 

Which  reaction of yours does this check off? You prefer he say he's been sitting around for 3 years not caring?

"I came out here today and showed it in front of everybody."

Really obnoxious of him. So your basic canned cliche sports response every player uses? That gets you worked up? Good lord if being boastful gets you lathered up, and you call this boastful make sure to skip any and all future sports  post game interviews. 

"all of them to stop running, stop running from the truth, stop running from the people. "

You understand when he says the "truth" he's talking about being black balled right? Not the truth as in he's some all world QB. Even people who are against this guy pretty much universally agree, and gloat about him being black balled. Now if you dont think the shit show around this guy is what has kept him out of the league we can stop there.

I'll begin by saying I think Kaep is pretty overrated by the "let him play" crowd. And personally, I think he's kind of an ass, so defending him doesn't come easily. (I remember years ago when he posted his Instagram picture of his shoe closet that was bigger than my bedroom. What a boob.) And I don't think his cause - kneeling in protest of police brutality - does any good. It divides us further. It doesn't elicit an epiphany in the people he's trying to get attention from, it just incites more anger.

Having said all that, I genuinely believe he wants to play, that he's more than capable of being one of the better backups in the league, and possibly starting for a small number of teams. He was benched for his play, but he's being black balled because the NFL has a political problem. They've intertwined themselves with pro-military values. And not to speak against the military members themselves... I'd never do that. They're talking to the blind allegiance crowd.

I don't mind disliking Kaepernick, but more than anything I can't stand bullshit arguments. And the people campaigning the hardest against the guy are being extremely dishonest.

I think most people agree that he was blackballed because of his message.  

I suspect most people would agree he deserves the position he is in. 

Most people would agree with Sticky that he could play backup in the NFL, but teams prefer anyone else because of what he would bring.  

Most people also think his “tryout” proves it isn’t worth bringing him in.  

I personally question his motives in what he does. Wearing pigs dressed as cops on socks doesn’t further whatever message he had.  

Of course he doesn’t need the job financially.  

But he certainly needs the public to believe he is viable so he can continue his political campaign, his endorsements and book deals, etc. 

If he wants to play - he knows how to do it.  Take a shitty salary, grab the clipboard, and earn playing time.  

But lets also be fair ... did it really matter for us who our backup is?

He didn't really need to speak --- just showing up in his selection of attire was going for a reaction and not in a "I want to get back to work sort of way."  So back to my original comment, "no common sense and average ability doesn't endear him a second chance."

@"Akvike" said: He didn't really need to speak --- just showing up in his selection of attire was going for a reaction and not in a "I want to get back to work sort of way."  So back to my original comment, "no common sense and average ability doesn't endear him a second chance."

@"KingBash" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"kahsmick" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"kahsmick" said: He's no Lamar Jackson. I was a CK fan when he destroyed GB with his legs in The Playoffs. That guy is long gone. And the weird politics, disagreements, PC stuff, and mouthy boasting after 60 throws at his workout are EXACTLY why He isn't gonna ever take another live snap in The NFL. Red Flags all over the place and he's the one throwing them up by all appearances.

Missed the mouthy boasting post workout. What did he say?

I heard him talking to press about how teams can't run from the truth after seeing his workout.  It was kinda lame.  I was left with the impression he was either insecure about his talent, or not really serious about doing whatever it took to get on a roster.

Here is the exact quote. Not really the mouthy boasting alluded to by another poster. 

“I’ve been ready for three years,” Kaepernick said. “I’ve been denied for three years. We all know why. I came out here and showed it today in front of everybody. We have nothing to hide. So we’re waiting for the 32 owners, the 32 teams, Roger Goodell, all of them to stop running — stop running from the truth, stop running from the people.”

Not sure what you would call it then.  Definitely boastful, arrogant, delusional.

This is what happens when people have such a strong dislike for someone/something. 

"I've been ready for three years". 

Which  reaction of yours does this check off? You prefer he say he's been sitting around for 3 years not caring?

"I came out here today and showed it in front of everybody."

Really obnoxious of him. So your basic canned cliche sports response every player uses? That gets you worked up? Good lord if being boastful gets you lathered up, and you call this boastful make sure to skip any and all future sports  post game interviews. 

"all of them to stop running, stop running from the truth, stop running from the people. "

You understand when he says the "truth" he's talking about being black balled right? Not the truth as in he's some all world QB. Even people who are against this guy pretty much universally agree, and gloat about him being black balled. Now if you dont think the shit show around this guy is what has kept him out of the league we can stop there.

I'll begin by saying I think Kaep is pretty overrated by the "let him play" crowd. And personally, I think he's kind of an ass, so defending him doesn't come easily. (I remember years ago when he posted his Instagram picture of his shoe closet that was bigger than my bedroom. What a boob.) And I don't think his cause - kneeling in protest of police brutality - does any good. It divides us further. It doesn't elicit an epiphany in the people he's trying to get attention from, it just incites more anger.

Having said all that, I genuinely believe he wants to play, that he's more than capable of being one of the better backups in the league, and possibly starting for a small number of teams. He was benched for his play, but he's being black balled because the NFL has a political problem. They've intertwined themselves with pro-military values. And not to speak against the military members themselves... I'd never do that. They're talking to the blind allegiance crowd.

I don't mind disliking Kaepernick, but more than anything I can't stand bullshit arguments. And the people campaigning the hardest against the guy are being extremely dishonest.

I also think the best solution would be for the NFL to get rid of the national anthem.  Institute it if we are in a major war, or for games on holidays, or special events.  

And stop flying fighter jets over stadiums. 

And Kaep can get the NFL, teams, and players to donate to some charity set up to handle the crime problem in inner cities, the relationship between minorities and police, homelessness ... whatever.  Fans at stadiums could donate as well.  And hit up the major networks and providers to add a small percentage to their payment - to go into the charity.   You know - come up with solutions and fix problems.  Not create division and not solve the problems while personally benefitting.  

I don't get the hatred for this guy.  I'm old so I generally support young people doing their thing so long as it is not illegal. I see no reason not to support CK.  This guy risked an NFL QB career to bring attention to other people at risk. He was not at risk. Others were.  Whether you agree with him or not, I think that's noble.  Shows character.  (Hence the Nike and other endorsement deals.)

Lots of people do not like how another conducts his protest. The communist Chinese government does not like the Hong Kong protests.  CK was not only not breaking the law, what he did is entirely protected under the Constitution.  The negative reaction seems purely emotional/irrational, not the product of thoughtful reflection.  

The NFL is a business and may have decided he was bad for business.  But the owners/teams may have colluded (illegally) in keeping him out of the league.  He sued. They would like him to trade a dog and pony show workout in exchange for a release of all his claims against the league.  He said no - I would have counseled him to reject it, too.  Now for that he gets more criticism?  Whatever.   

@"A1Janitor" said: I also think the best solution would be for the NFL to get rid of the national anthem.  Institute it if we are in a major war, or for games on holidays, or special events.  

And stop flying fighter jets over stadiums. 

And Kaep can get the NFL, teams, and players to donate to some charity set up to handle the crime problem in inner cities, the relationship between minorities and police, homelessness ... whatever.  Fans at stadiums could donate as well.  And hit up the major networks and providers to add a small percentage to their payment - to go into the charity.   You know - come up with solutions and fix problems.  Not create division and not solve the problems while personally benefitting.  

@"KingBash" said:

@"A1Janitor" said: I also think the best solution would be for the NFL to get rid of the national anthem.  Institute it if we are in a major war, or for games on holidays, or special events.  

And stop flying fighter jets over stadiums. 

And Kaep can get the NFL, teams, and players to donate to some charity set up to handle the crime problem in inner cities, the relationship between minorities and police, homelessness ... whatever.  Fans at stadiums could donate as well.  And hit up the major networks and providers to add a small percentage to their payment - to go into the charity.   You know - come up with solutions and fix problems.  Not create division and not solve the problems while personally benefitting.  

Have you hit your head? I agree with everything you said.

Over in the XFL, those in attendance will be asked to rise for Stone Cold Steve Austin's entrance theme instead.

@"A1Janitor" said:

@"KingBash" said:

@"A1Janitor" said: I also think the best solution would be for the NFL to get rid of the national anthem.  Institute it if we are in a major war, or for games on holidays, or special events.  

And stop flying fighter jets over stadiums. 

And Kaep can get the NFL, teams, and players to donate to some charity set up to handle the crime problem in inner cities, the relationship between minorities and police, homelessness ... whatever.  Fans at stadiums could donate as well.  And hit up the major networks and providers to add a small percentage to their payment - to go into the charity.   You know - come up with solutions and fix problems.  Not create division and not solve the problems while personally benefitting.  

Have you hit your head? I agree with everything you said.

No.

We finally found a topic you understand.  If you put the effort to review the evidence in other discussions, you’d agree with me there too.  When your TDS goes into remission, you become a little smarter! ;)

I disagreed with your earlier Kaep post slightly, didn’t want to respond ... because it is an honest take.  

@"dadevike" said: I don't get the hatred for this guy.  I'm old so I generally support young people doing their thing so long as it is not illegal. I see no reason not to support CK.  This guy risked an NFL QB career to bring attention to other people at risk. He was not at risk. Others were.  Whether you agree with him or not, I think that's noble.  Shows character.  (Hence the Nike and other endorsement deals.)

Lots of people do not like how another conducts his protest. The communist Chinese government does not like the Hong Kong protests.  CK was not only not breaking the law, what he did is entirely protected under the Constitution.  The negative reaction seems purely emotional/irrational, not the product of thoughtful reflection.  

The NFL is a business and may have decided he was bad for business.  But the owners/teams may have colluded (illegally) in keeping him out of the league.  He sued. They would like him to trade a dog and pony show workout in exchange for a release of all his claims against the league.  He said no - I would have counseled him to reject it, too.  Now for that he gets more criticism?  Whatever.   

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"dadevike" said: I don't get the hatred for this guy.  I'm old so I generally support young people doing their thing so long as it is not illegal. I see no reason not to support CK.  This guy risked an NFL QB career to bring attention to other people at risk. He was not at risk. Others were.  Whether you agree with him or not, I think that's noble.  Shows character.  (Hence the Nike and other endorsement deals.)

Lots of people do not like how another conducts his protest. The communist Chinese government does not like the Hong Kong protests.  CK was not only not breaking the law, what he did is entirely protected under the Constitution.  The negative reaction seems purely emotional/irrational, not the product of thoughtful reflection.  

The NFL is a business and may have decided he was bad for business.  But the owners/teams may have colluded (illegally) in keeping him out of the league.  He sued. They would like him to trade a dog and pony show workout in exchange for a release of all his claims against the league.  He said no - I would have counseled him to reject it, too.  Now for that he gets more criticism?  Whatever.   

The waiver was for any iinjuries he may have gotten during the workout.  It wasnt a wipe the slate clean waiver.