This is why Sloter is still 3rd string

When asked why he used 3rd string QB Jarrett Stidham with the 2's instead of backup QB Brian Hoyer, Bill Belichick said “Yeah, we do what we think is best for the team, take a look at everybody,” Belichick said. “Brian’s played a lot of football.” 

Idiot. Kids a rookie. What if he makes a mistake?

https://theathletic.com/1156342/2019/08/23/whats-keeping-kyle-sloter-from-moving-up-the-vikings-depth-chart/

@"savannahskol" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said: Meanwhile, we give up a 5th rd. pick for a kicker that the "professional" coaching staff doesn't seem to even have a clue what he's good at... 

Or the guy is good enough to do both and they are trying to figure out if he should replace Bailey or Wile...  since neither have secured their spot on the team yet.

Or they have a clear idea (already) who'll they'll keep, yet "stall" the cuts as to not unnecessarily benefit other teams.  (Bears)

But I get M-Go's point.  

@"StickyBun" said: https://theathletic.com/1156342/2019/08/23/whats-keeping-kyle-sloter-from-moving-up-the-vikings-depth-chart/

Can you please give a brief rundown on what the writer thinks it is? Don't have a subscription. Or is the article just rehashing what everyone here has been saying? Thanks in advance!

@"StickyBun" said: https://theathletic.com/1156342/2019/08/23/whats-keeping-kyle-sloter-from-moving-up-the-vikings-depth-chart/

But is anyone suggesting that Sloter should be moved up - or just that he should get some game time with the 2nd team? Then we can all see him embarrass himself and Zimmer will be proven right. But we might lose a preseason game - is that important?

@"Jor-El" said:

@"StickyBun" said: https://theathletic.com/1156342/2019/08/23/whats-keeping-kyle-sloter-from-moving-up-the-vikings-depth-chart/

But is anyone suggesting that Sloter should be moved up - or just that he should get some game time with the 2nd team? Then we can all see him embarrass himself and Zimmer will be proven right. But we might lose a preseason game - is that important?

ŔS doesn't decide who's where on the Depth Chart. If he did there wouldn't be a single Coach in the League willing to work for him. Period.

This notion that Sloter is comparable to Brad Johnson is laughable.

Brad was fighting for 1st String QB at FSU during that run of like 10 straight Top 5 Seasons. He started against the Canes in Miami.

You can't even remotely compare Sloter's college pedigree to Brad's in terms of preparing for an NFL career. Brad was quite literally light years ahead of Kyle from a developmental prospective. There has to be a better analogy, though I'm having a hard time thinking of one since Kyle's background is so unique.

Think about this: the things Kyle is struggling with are fundamentals that most guys already have down due to a ton of snaps taken.

Throwing him out against better competition isn't going to help him learn how to do the little things right. On the contrary, he'd doubtlessly be spending more time thinking about the increased level of player he's facing instead of focusing on getting everyone lined up right, monitoring the Game Clock, reading the Defense, etc.

If you have an Outfielder in AA Ball that catches everything that comes his way but consistently misses the cutoff man and sometimes forgets how many outs there are would you promote him to AAA Ball or keep him where he's at and help him master the nuances of the game?

@"FSUVike" said: ŔS doesn't decide who's where on the Depth Chart. If he did there wouldn't be a single Coach in the League willing to work for him. Period.

This notion that Sloter is comparable to Brad Johnson is laughable.

Brad was fighting for 1st String QB at FSU during that run of like 10 straight Top 5 Seasons. He started against the Canes in Miami.

You can't even remotely compare Sloter's college pedigree to Brad's in terms of preparing for an NFL career. Brad was quite literally light years ahead of Kyle from a developmental prospective. There has to be a better analogy, though I'm having a hard time thinking of one since Kyle's background is so unique.

Think about this: the things Kyle is struggling with are fundamentals that most guys already have down due to a ton of snaps taken.

Throwing him out against better competition isn't going to help him learn how to do the little things right. On the contrary, he'd doubtlessly be spending more time thinking about the increased level of player he's facing instead of focusing on getting everyone lined up right, monitoring the Game Clock, reading the Defense, etc.

If you have an Outfielder in AA Ball that catches everything that comes his way but consistently misses the cutoff man and sometimes forgets how many outs there are would you promote him to AAA Ball or keep him where he's at and help him master the nuances of the game?

can you show me these plays where he is consistently behind the clock (more so than any QB is, remember KC burned a TO last game as well IIRC)  or how about the defense confusing him, (seems to me if he wasnt able to read defenses he wouldnt be nearly as successful or would have more turnovers to his credit)  or the offense being in disarray and Sloter not being able to get people lined up?  I mean after 2.5 years of pre season games there should be ample examples of his ineptness.  I know what the coaches are saying,  we as fans just havent seen it,  at least not any more so than the QBs ahead of him.

And RS may not decided who plays and when,  but he is the GM who is ultimately going to lose his job if good players are cut and inferior players are retained.  

@"FSUVike" said: ŔS doesn't decide who's where on the Depth Chart. If he did there wouldn't be a single Coach in the League willing to work for him. Period.

This notion that Sloter is comparable to Brad Johnson is laughable.

Brad was fighting for 1st String QB at FSU during that run of like 10 straight Top 5 Seasons. He started against the Canes in Miami.

You can't even remotely compare Sloter's college pedigree to Brad's in terms of preparing for an NFL career. Brad was quite literally light years ahead of Kyle from a developmental prospective. There has to be a better analogy, though I'm having a hard time thinking of one since Kyle's background is so unique.

Think about this: the things Kyle is struggling with are fundamentals that most guys already have down due to a ton of snaps taken.

Throwing him out against better competition isn't going to help him learn how to do the little things right. On the contrary, he'd doubtlessly be spending more time thinking about the increased level of player he's facing instead of focusing on getting everyone lined up right, monitoring the Game Clock, reading the Defense, etc.

If you have an Outfielder in AA Ball that catches everything that comes his way but consistently misses the cutoff man and sometimes forgets how many outs there are would you promote him to AAA Ball or keep him where he's at and help him master the nuances of the game?

This. I've made the case that Sloter hasn't always been a college QB, he was a WR. Developmentally, he's incredibly raw even now. And the thing lost by the fans is there's nothing the organization would love more than for Sloter to be successful. Its not some conspiracy or idiocy by Zimmer. But this is what happens when somebody does well in preseason with some fans: they can't get past it, even though there are a thousand stories over the years of players that light it up in preseason and don't even make rosters come September. 

@"Jor-El" said:

@"StickyBun" said: https://theathletic.com/1156342/2019/08/23/whats-keeping-kyle-sloter-from-moving-up-the-vikings-depth-chart/

But is anyone suggesting that Sloter should be moved up - or just that he should get some game time with the 2nd team? Then we can all see him embarrass himself and Zimmer will be proven right. But we might lose a preseason game - is that important?

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Jor-El" said:

@"StickyBun" said: https://theathletic.com/1156342/2019/08/23/whats-keeping-kyle-sloter-from-moving-up-the-vikings-depth-chart/

But is anyone suggesting that Sloter should be moved up - or just that he should get some game time with the 2nd team? Then we can all see him embarrass himself and Zimmer will be proven right. But we might lose a preseason game - is that important?

I can only speak for myself. No, of course he shouldn't be moved up yet. Yes, of course he should get some game time with the 2's.

I want to see how he does. If, in his 11th game, he continues to perform like he did in the first 10, well then dang FIRE! We might just have ourselves a gamer! Like Belichick with Stidham, I want to see how he does....call us crazy. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"FSUVike" said: ŔS doesn't decide who's where on the Depth Chart. If he did there wouldn't be a single Coach in the League willing to work for him. Period.

This notion that Sloter is comparable to Brad Johnson is laughable.

Brad was fighting for 1st String QB at FSU during that run of like 10 straight Top 5 Seasons. He started against the Canes in Miami.

You can't even remotely compare Sloter's college pedigree to Brad's in terms of preparing for an NFL career. Brad was quite literally light years ahead of Kyle from a developmental prospective. There has to be a better analogy, though I'm having a hard time thinking of one since Kyle's background is so unique.

Think about this: the things Kyle is struggling with are fundamentals that most guys already have down due to a ton of snaps taken.

Throwing him out against better competition isn't going to help him learn how to do the little things right. On the contrary, he'd doubtlessly be spending more time thinking about the increased level of player he's facing instead of focusing on getting everyone lined up right, monitoring the Game Clock, reading the Defense, etc.

If you have an Outfielder in AA Ball that catches everything that comes his way but consistently misses the cutoff man and sometimes forgets how many outs there are would you promote him to AAA Ball or keep him where he's at and help him master the nuances of the game?

can you show me these plays where he is consistently behind the clock (more so than any QB is, remember KC burned a TO last game as well IIRC)  or how about the defense confusing him, (seems to me if he wasnt able to read defenses he wouldnt be nearly as successful or would have more turnovers to his credit)  or the offense being in disarray and Sloter not being able to get people lined up?  I mean after 2.5 years of pre season games there should be ample examples of his ineptness.  I know what the coaches are saying,  we as fans just havent seen it,  at least not any more so than the QBs ahead of him.

And RS may not decided who plays and when,  but he is the GM who is ultimately going to lose his job if good players are cut and inferior players are retained.  

@"FSUVike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"FSUVike" said: ŔS doesn't decide who's where on the Depth Chart. If he did there wouldn't be a single Coach in the League willing to work for him. Period.

This notion that Sloter is comparable to Brad Johnson is laughable.

Brad was fighting for 1st String QB at FSU during that run of like 10 straight Top 5 Seasons. He started against the Canes in Miami.

You can't even remotely compare Sloter's college pedigree to Brad's in terms of preparing for an NFL career. Brad was quite literally light years ahead of Kyle from a developmental prospective. There has to be a better analogy, though I'm having a hard time thinking of one since Kyle's background is so unique.

Think about this: the things Kyle is struggling with are fundamentals that most guys already have down due to a ton of snaps taken.

Throwing him out against better competition isn't going to help him learn how to do the little things right. On the contrary, he'd doubtlessly be spending more time thinking about the increased level of player he's facing instead of focusing on getting everyone lined up right, monitoring the Game Clock, reading the Defense, etc.

If you have an Outfielder in AA Ball that catches everything that comes his way but consistently misses the cutoff man and sometimes forgets how many outs there are would you promote him to AAA Ball or keep him where he's at and help him master the nuances of the game?

can you show me these plays where he is consistently behind the clock (more so than any QB is, remember KC burned a TO last game as well IIRC)  or how about the defense confusing him, (seems to me if he wasnt able to read defenses he wouldnt be nearly as successful or would have more turnovers to his credit)  or the offense being in disarray and Sloter not being able to get people lined up?  I mean after 2.5 years of pre season games there should be ample examples of his ineptness.  I know what the coaches are saying,  we as fans just havent seen it,  at least not any more so than the QBs ahead of him.

And RS may not decided who plays and when,  but he is the GM who is ultimately going to lose his job if good players are cut and inferior players are retained.  

So Zimmer is a liar who's making this stuff up? If so, he needs to go ASAP.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"FSUVike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"FSUVike" said: ŔS doesn't decide who's where on the Depth Chart. If he did there wouldn't be a single Coach in the League willing to work for him. Period.

This notion that Sloter is comparable to Brad Johnson is laughable.

Brad was fighting for 1st String QB at FSU during that run of like 10 straight Top 5 Seasons. He started against the Canes in Miami.

You can't even remotely compare Sloter's college pedigree to Brad's in terms of preparing for an NFL career. Brad was quite literally light years ahead of Kyle from a developmental prospective. There has to be a better analogy, though I'm having a hard time thinking of one since Kyle's background is so unique.

Think about this: the things Kyle is struggling with are fundamentals that most guys already have down due to a ton of snaps taken.

Throwing him out against better competition isn't going to help him learn how to do the little things right. On the contrary, he'd doubtlessly be spending more time thinking about the increased level of player he's facing instead of focusing on getting everyone lined up right, monitoring the Game Clock, reading the Defense, etc.

If you have an Outfielder in AA Ball that catches everything that comes his way but consistently misses the cutoff man and sometimes forgets how many outs there are would you promote him to AAA Ball or keep him where he's at and help him master the nuances of the game?

can you show me these plays where he is consistently behind the clock (more so than any QB is, remember KC burned a TO last game as well IIRC)  or how about the defense confusing him, (seems to me if he wasnt able to read defenses he wouldnt be nearly as successful or would have more turnovers to his credit)  or the offense being in disarray and Sloter not being able to get people lined up?  I mean after 2.5 years of pre season games there should be ample examples of his ineptness.  I know what the coaches are saying,  we as fans just havent seen it,  at least not any more so than the QBs ahead of him.

And RS may not decided who plays and when,  but he is the GM who is ultimately going to lose his job if good players are cut and inferior players are retained.  

So Zimmer is a liar who's making this stuff up? If so, he needs to go ASAP.

  There are plenty of guys that look great (reportedly) in practice and shit the bed when the lights come on,  well this kid looks great under the lights.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"FSUVike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"FSUVike" said: ŔS doesn't decide who's where on the Depth Chart. If he did there wouldn't be a single Coach in the League willing to work for him. Period.

This notion that Sloter is comparable to Brad Johnson is laughable.

Brad was fighting for 1st String QB at FSU during that run of like 10 straight Top 5 Seasons. He started against the Canes in Miami.

You can't even remotely compare Sloter's college pedigree to Brad's in terms of preparing for an NFL career. Brad was quite literally light years ahead of Kyle from a developmental prospective. There has to be a better analogy, though I'm having a hard time thinking of one since Kyle's background is so unique.

Think about this: the things Kyle is struggling with are fundamentals that most guys already have down due to a ton of snaps taken.

Throwing him out against better competition isn't going to help him learn how to do the little things right. On the contrary, he'd doubtlessly be spending more time thinking about the increased level of player he's facing instead of focusing on getting everyone lined up right, monitoring the Game Clock, reading the Defense, etc.

If you have an Outfielder in AA Ball that catches everything that comes his way but consistently misses the cutoff man and sometimes forgets how many outs there are would you promote him to AAA Ball or keep him where he's at and help him master the nuances of the game?

can you show me these plays where he is consistently behind the clock (more so than any QB is, remember KC burned a TO last game as well IIRC)  or how about the defense confusing him, (seems to me if he wasnt able to read defenses he wouldnt be nearly as successful or would have more turnovers to his credit)  or the offense being in disarray and Sloter not being able to get people lined up?  I mean after 2.5 years of pre season games there should be ample examples of his ineptness.  I know what the coaches are saying,  we as fans just havent seen it,  at least not any more so than the QBs ahead of him.

And RS may not decided who plays and when,  but he is the GM who is ultimately going to lose his job if good players are cut and inferior players are retained.  

So Zimmer is a liar who's making this stuff up? If so, he needs to go ASAP.

  There are plenty of guys that look great (reportedly) in practice and shit the bed when the lights come on,  well this kid looks great under the lights.

The lights? You mean the red-hot intensity of 3rd stringers in the 2nd half of preseason games?

I definitely want to see Sloter with the 2s, but isn't it telling that we've got staff from his time with Denver and he still can't make the jump? 

Something is off...maybe Sloter made a pass at Zim's daughter...

The Vikings always have a pre-season Hall of Famer that many fans are enamored with.
I remember Jaymar Johnson, Taylor Heinicke, and OMG Audie Cole.
Judging a player on what they do in preseason games with dudes who will be cut playing in simplified systems is astonishing to say the least.
Sloter probably faces tougher schemes in practice then he sees in these pre-season scrimmages.
The dude had very very very little experience coming out of college and it is going to take a bit longer for him to learn more about the position.
We are not even talking about his ability to read real NFL defenses running all their stuff.
It probably is going to take another year or two.
By then, we should have another pre-season Hall of Famer to be hyped about.
Like ...
Cole McDonald QB Hawaii6'4" 220
https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/5-play-prospect--hawaii-qb-cole-mcdonald

:)

@"FSUVike" said:

This notion that Sloter is comparable to Brad Johnson is laughable.

  
The Rich Gannon comparison is much more credible. He did play QB in college at Delaware but was drafted by the Patriots as a defensive back, and was traded to the Vikings who wanted to play him as a QB. He didn't establish himself as a quality starter until his 12th season in the NFL. The Vikings and the Chiefs can hardly be blamed for letting him go. It's also a testament to his perseverance.

I've been following the Vikings since the late 80s and I can't recall a #2 or #3 Viking QB having as much success as he has in the preseason.  Most #2 & #3s in the past were adequate, sometime barely at that, at moving the ball.  This makes Sloter so much more intriguing, because he's sustaining drives and putting points on the board while not turning it over. 

Perhaps, the Vikings plan all along is to take their time and develop him, similar to how it was done with Brad Johnson in the 90s.        

@"DeepFreeze05" said:

I've been following the Vikings since the late 80s and I can't recall a #2 or #3 Viking QB having as much success as he has in the preseason.  Most #2 & #3s in the past were adequate, sometime barely at that, at moving the ball.  This makes Sloter so much more intriguing, because he's sustaining drives and putting points on the board while not turning it over. 

Perhaps, the Vikings plan all along is to take their time and develop him, similar to how it was done with Brad Johnson in the 90s.        

They wont get that much time.  He is getting frustrated with how slow they are with letting him progress and I can about assure you he will walk first chance he gets unless something dramatically changes.