This is why Sloter is still 3rd string
This is what I was talking about with the kid not playing QB in college: he doesn't have the QB IQ you need in today's NFL. He was playing WRer in college as much as QB. Its like Ryan Tannehill. There's only so much ground they can make up mentally.
@"pattersaur" said:@"MaroonBells" said:Yeah the first round is part of the first 3 rounds@"pattersaur" said:Cousins would have to shit the bed for the Vikings to draft a QB.@"StickyBun" said: Honestly, does it matter? He's the 3rd string QB. I couldn't care less if he stays or goes at this point, the Vikings should draft a QB in the first 3 rounds next year anyway. This is true but will they? I doubt it. The Vikings have had many years where they could have gone this route on draft day over Spielman's tenure and I can't recall them ever doing it. Rick either waits until it's a dire need at the position or fills the spots with free agents.And it doesn't make any sense to draft a QB "in the first three rounds." You either get a franchise guy in the 1st round or don't bother. God knows we don't need any Mason Rudolphs, Deshone Kizers, Davis Webbs, CJ Beatherds, and Christian Hackenbergs wasting space on our bench.
Like I said, either draft a 1st rounder or don't waste your time.
After hearing what Zim said today I must admit I am reconsidering my stance on Sloter being #2. Doesn't sound like he's ready.
@"1VikesFan" said: After hearing what Zim said today I must admit I am reconsidering my stance on Sloter being #2. Doesn't sound like he's ready.That's me too...Seems pretty apparent he needs a little more curating on the position. Nothing wrong with that and KC is probably not going anywhere for a while either. I just got a feeling the surround is there for him now. That dude has a nice arm.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"pattersaur" said:Cousins would have to shit the bed for the Vikings to draft a QB.@"StickyBun" said: Honestly, does it matter? He's the 3rd string QB. I couldn't care less if he stays or goes at this point, the Vikings should draft a QB in the first 3 rounds next year anyway. This is true but will they? I doubt it. The Vikings have had many years where they could have gone this route on draft day over Spielman's tenure and I can't recall them ever doing it. Rick either waits until it's a dire need at the position or fills the spots with free agents.And it doesn't make any sense to draft a QB "in the first three rounds." You either get a franchise guy in the 1st round or don't bother. God knows we don't need any Mason Rudolphs, Deshone Kizers, Davis Webbs, CJ Beatherds, and Christian Hackenbergs wasting space on our bench.
Vikings won't stick with Cousins unless they win. He'll be 33 years old within the first year of a new contract. Cousins was also a 4th round pick, no too shabby. This will be the season that they decide whether or not to keep him beyond the original contract.
@"StickyBun" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"pattersaur" said:Cousins would have to shit the bed for the Vikings to draft a QB.@"StickyBun" said: Honestly, does it matter? He's the 3rd string QB. I couldn't care less if he stays or goes at this point, the Vikings should draft a QB in the first 3 rounds next year anyway. This is true but will they? I doubt it. The Vikings have had many years where they could have gone this route on draft day over Spielman's tenure and I can't recall them ever doing it. Rick either waits until it's a dire need at the position or fills the spots with free agents.And it doesn't make any sense to draft a QB "in the first three rounds." You either get a franchise guy in the 1st round or don't bother. God knows we don't need any Mason Rudolphs, Deshone Kizers, Davis Webbs, CJ Beatherds, and Christian Hackenbergs wasting space on our bench.
Vikings won't stick with Cousins unless they win. He'll be 33 years old within the first year of a new contract. Cousins was also a 4th round pick, no too shabby. This will be the season that they decide whether or not to keep him beyond the original contract.
Which is another reason why they need to find out more about what they have in Sloter. If he cant play against the 2s in preseason without shitting the bed, he likely has no future as a starter and they should move on now and keep Browning as the 3, since they are reportedly high on him. If Sloter proves to be capable to compete with the 2s, keep him over mannion and let him focus on the shit he needs to learn instead of running the scout team every week that QB3 typically does. He wont get as many reps in practice as QB3, but he will get more reps in our offense and coaches can focus on his shortcomings more.The only way I see mannion filling a role is if Sloter is a complete waste of time and they move on. Either way they need to keep the youth QB carousel moving upward IMO.
@"1VikesFan" said: After hearing what Zim said today I must admit I am reconsidering my stance on Sloter being #2. Doesn't sound like he's ready.After I heard his press conference remarks about Sloter, I'm questioning whether Zimmer is ready to be a Head Coach. What was the benefit of his rude public ripping of Sloter? Yeah, it was a preseason game against 3rd string - we all know that, so does the press, but why not let Sloter have his moment? Sean Payton, who many (myself included) consider an ass, has his #3 QB put up big numbers in preseason and he doesn't mind giving him some compliments. What does it hurt? Zimmer destroyed any trade value Sloter may have, too.
Zimmer should be glad the press is asking questions about something as minimal as 2nd/3rd string QB. But I guess he needs the preseason himself, to get ready to badmouth and scapegoat players during the regular season.
@"Jor-El" said:@"1VikesFan" said: After hearing what Zim said today I must admit I am reconsidering my stance on Sloter being #2. Doesn't sound like he's ready. After I heard his press conference remarks about Sloter, I'm questioning whether Zimmer is ready to be a Head Coach. What was the benefit of his rude public ripping of Sloter? Yeah, it was a preseason game against 3rd string - we all know that, so does the press, but why not let Sloter have his moment? Sean Payton, who many (myself included) consider an ass, has his #3 QB put up big numbers in preseason and he doesn't mind giving him some compliments. What does it hurt? Zimmer destroyed any trade value Sloter may have, too. Zimmer should be glad the press is asking questions about something as minimal as 2nd/3rd string QB. But I guess he needs the preseason himself, to get ready to badmouth and scapegoat players during the regular season.
rude public ripping?
They asked a question about Sloter and if he is ready to move up. He simply said he needs to get better at the stuff the press and fans don't see. He has probably heard the question a 100 times and knows of the media/fans lust for the physical abilities of the kid. But simply put, he isn't ready mentally and that is what Zim said.
Of course he could give the coach speak answer and then others would question whether he is fit to coach because he is too stupid to see this kid is ready for the HOF bust.
Get over it, Sloter will be 3rd string again as he needs to learn the mental part of the game. Maybe Sloter needs to apply himself in the classroom. But that is probably Zimmers fault cuz he didn't coddle him enough and give him a trophy.
@"Jor-El" said:@"1VikesFan" said: After hearing what Zim said today I must admit I am reconsidering my stance on Sloter being #2. Doesn't sound like he's ready. After I heard his press conference remarks about Sloter, I'm questioning whether Zimmer is ready to be a Head Coach. What was the benefit of his rude public ripping of Sloter? Yeah, it was a preseason game against 3rd string - we all know that, so does the press, but why not let Sloter have his moment? Sean Payton, who many (myself included) consider an ass, has his #3 QB put up big numbers in preseason and he doesn't mind giving him some compliments. What does it hurt? Zimmer destroyed any trade value Sloter may have, too.Zimmer should be glad the press is asking questions about something as minimal as 2nd/3rd string QB. But I guess he needs the preseason himself, to get ready to badmouth and scapegoat players during the regular season.
I think you have to put it all in context. I thought it was a bit unusual as well. Coaches are never afraid to criticize other positions--God knows, Zim publicly challenges his defensive players all the time--but coaches seldom do that with QBs. After all, they all wear dresses, as Jack Lambert used to say.However, I went back and listened to the whole presser and then the one immediately following the game, and Zimmer was very complimentary of Sloter, saying he continues to play very well.
One thing we all know about Zimmer is that he hates when someone ELSE tells him how to run his team. See other comments directed at media and PFF, for example. I think his comments were more about that than Sloter.
If this was a debate on who should be the starting quarterback at the start of the season, then I can understand the back and forth comments since everyone has their preference. But, we are talking about a 3rd string quarterback that has done extremely well playing with and against other 3rd string players during pre-season. Is he ready to move up on the depth chart? Who knows? Maybe the head coach and the coaching staff? According to them, Sloter is right where he needs to be. Coaches will know when he's ready to make the leap. People are over-thinking Sloter's value since he's consider an "Underdog" and want him to succeed. No love for Mannion either.
Every year fans are having wet dreams in August about some camp hero and every year come September that guy is either cut or buried deep on the roster never to see the field in a regular season game. Sloter should count himself lucky if he keeps getting a paycheck this year. But there is doubtless a space in the Third String Training Camp HOF for him, wherever that is.
It took awhile, but Brad Johnson went from the scout team QB to a SB Champ. If Sloter keeps playing well, it's a good bet he's going to make the team. I don't think they'd let him go only to have him get nabbed then possibly flourish for another team.
@"Jor-El" said:@"Magnus10" said:@"RS Express" said: Zimmer's spiel sounds good, but it doesn't explain away one big thing: why he won't let Sloter have any reps vs. the #2's. Is he afraid Sloter would continue to look better than his predetermined "winner"? And how is Sloter supposed to get better if he never gets to see better competition?Yes, it was against 3's, but Sloter has totally outperformed 2 different #2 QB's in a total of 6 preseason games. A coach interested in actual competition would give the guy lighting up 3's a chance to prove himself. But not Zimmer. Sloter's been tossed in the dungeon and the key thrown away.
Totally agree RS. I am not saying Sloter is the only answer if we decide to move on from Cousins, but...
What would be the fallout if this team needs to move on from Cousins? I think it's so unimaginable to the GM and HC that they won't imagine it.
the head coach and GM will no longer be with the team should they decide to move on from Cousins.
@"Purplewhizz" said:@"Jor-El" said:@"Magnus10" said:@"RS Express" said: Zimmer's spiel sounds good, but it doesn't explain away one big thing: why he won't let Sloter have any reps vs. the #2's. Is he afraid Sloter would continue to look better than his predetermined "winner"? And how is Sloter supposed to get better if he never gets to see better competition?Yes, it was against 3's, but Sloter has totally outperformed 2 different #2 QB's in a total of 6 preseason games. A coach interested in actual competition would give the guy lighting up 3's a chance to prove himself. But not Zimmer. Sloter's been tossed in the dungeon and the key thrown away.
Totally agree RS. I am not saying Sloter is the only answer if we decide to move on from Cousins, but...
What would be the fallout if this team needs to move on from Cousins? I think it's so unimaginable to the GM and HC that they won't imagine it.
the head coach and GM will no longer be with the team should they decide to move on from Cousins.
Agreed. This is a big year for the Vikings in a number of ways.
Brad Johnson was a guy who always lit it up in the preseason. Everybody mentioned he wasn't playing against the good players. Bottom line with Sloter, give him a chance to move up and see how he does. He not only looks good against third stringers. He looks great. I won't pretend to know as much as Zimmer, but the "gamer" concept is a possibility and I just don't understand not giving him an extended look even if Zimmer "thinks" he isn't ready. I've seen many guys given a chance to move up at QB over the years who clearly couldn't get it done, even playing with the third stringers. The guy is athletic, has a gun, and can run like a deer. Reminds me a little of Rich Gannon who we all know took a little time to develop, but ended up being dam good for a few years, and an excellent 2nd stringer for many.
When the dust settles this TC, I believe the Vikings will carry 3qb's and Sloter is on the 53.
Entering the season, The Kansas City Star ranked all 31 of the NFL’s projected starting quarterbacks. Warner was ranked dead last behind Doug Pederson, Cade McNown, Billy Joe Hobert, and others.
In his NFC West preview in the Atlanta Journal Constitution, Mark Schlabach wrote:
“After enduring two seasons of mistake-prone Banks, Vermeil made a $16.5 million gamble on Green. Now, Vermeil probably wishes he still had Banks. Former Arena League star Warner and rookie Joe Germaine aren’t NFL-caliber starters, so the Rams might turn to Justin.”
“Warner, the quarterbacking successor to the luckless Trent Green in St. Louis, has appeared mostly in places where footballs are flung about by nets suspended behind the end zones and the fields, such as they are, have fences around them.”
“Still, the thinking here is that Vermeil must reach for a quarterback more renowned than Warner or journeyman Paul Justin, whom the Rams obtained from the Raiders after Green’s season-ending injury. One possibility: Jeff George. He has been a training-camp whiz in Minnesota; he played under Mike White, Vermeil’s ranking offensive assistant, in Oakland; and the Vikings might be willing to surrender him, at the proper price, of course. They have Randall Cunningham to do their passing and behind him Daunte Culpepper, a large rookie with impressive notices.They also wrote the Rams couldn’t win with a Kurt Warner lead-offense.”
“One has to question, finally, how long Vermeil can endure in St. Louis. The Chargers’ Rodney Harrison rolling into the back of Green’s legs on Saturday might have represented a knell for Vermeil. With Green available and with Marshall Faulk to do his running/receiving tricks, Vermeil might have had a chance to perpetuate himself. Not now, one can suspect. One doesn’t win in this league going into a season with a Kurt Warner-Paul Justin-Joe Germaine quarterbacking troika.”Apparently, Rams fans weren’t very confident about Warner’s ability either. In a letter-to-the-editor piece for the St. Louis Dispatch, fans voiced their concerns. Some examples:
“Not very good at all. I don’t think they’ll ever go anywhere with Vermeil as the coach. They were on shaky ground, but losing the quarterback, Green, that just put the nail in the coffin. I don’t think the whole organization is very professional at all. Just look at their history – Rich Brooks was a college coach with a losing record, Vermeil was out of the league for years, the free agents aren’t top of the line. I don’t think they’re committed to winning. It’s just a paycheck.”
“I think their chances were better before the quarterback got injured. I hope they do well, but I don’t think it looks very good. They don’t have a lot of good talent. I don’t think they’ll do any better than last year. I would have thought so if the quarterback had been healthy. Maybe (Kurt) Warner will do well, but I just don’t know much about him.”
“Their chances aren’t very good. I also think Dick Vermeil needs to quit crying. With Trent Green getting hurt, he was the best chance for a good season.”
Meanwhile, we give up a 5th rd. pick for a kicker that the "professional" coaching staff doesn't seem to even have a clue what he's good at...
@"1VikesFan" said: After hearing what Zim said today I must admit I am reconsidering my stance on Sloter being #2. Doesn't sound like he's ready.I'm probably way off...
Zim...like his coaching guru, Parcells....is/was LOATHE to hype 2 positions. QB's & Kickers.
How could have Keenum played any better two yrs ago? And very little stated praise from Zim during the season, that I could remember.
Zim's statements the other day, could be just 'motivation'. Just spitballin'.
@"mgobluevikes" said: Meanwhile, we give up a 5th rd. pick for a kicker that the "professional" coaching staff doesn't seem to even have a clue what he's good at...Or the guy is good enough to do both and they are trying to figure out if he should replace Bailey or Wile... since neither have secured their spot on the team yet.
@"Wetlander" said:Or they have a clear idea (already) who'll they'll keep, yet "stall" the cuts as to not unnecessarily benefit other teams. (Bears)@"mgobluevikes" said: Meanwhile, we give up a 5th rd. pick for a kicker that the "professional" coaching staff doesn't seem to even have a clue what he's good at... Or the guy is good enough to do both and they are trying to figure out if he should replace Bailey or Wile... since neither have secured their spot on the team yet.But I get M-Go's point.
Edit Post (mod action — author will see a notice)
Warn Poster
Suspend User (3 days)
The user will be suspended for 3 days and will receive an email with the reason and information about how to appeal.