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Vikings planning for Cook to play

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The Minneapolis Star-Tribune's Ben Goessling reports the Vikings "plan" to have Dalvin Cook (hamstring) active and play "limited" reps Week 9 against the Lions. We're not sure why the Vikings plan to rush Cook out there with the bye next week, especially with Latavius Murray producing like a top-10 back the last month, but it is what it is. Ultimately, we expect Murray to remain the lead dog with Cook mixing in to knock some rust off and feel good heading into the open date ahead of the stretch run. Murray is still an RB2. Cook will be desperation RB3/FLEX. Murray owners can remain confident in starting him.

Me: Yeah, I'm not sure either. This is batshit crazy in my opinion. Just sit him down, and get the two-fer, so there are no questions about his health and there are no limitations. 

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#1 · Nov 2, 10:46 AM
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IMO, keep him on the shelf until after the bye.  Murray is more than capable

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#2 · Nov 2, 11:21 AM
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Seems odd, but must be something to the plan.  If he is healthy, then he would need some time to get back into the swing of it.

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#3 · Nov 2, 11:27 AM
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Are they rushing him or do they feel he is ready? Does he feel he is ready? I guess we shall soon see. Hoping for the best.

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#4 · Nov 2, 11:33 AM
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Maybe Cook wants to gash the team that took out his knee last year.  If he's ready, turn him loose.

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#5 · Nov 2, 11:35 AM
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I dont know that holding him out an extra week will change anything,  if he feels ready now and the trainers are behind it... what else is there?   Hammies suck,  you can wait months, feel fine, stretch good, and then go to work and still have them reoccur.   a good hammie tear is something that may never fully heal and flare up from time to time... speaking from experience here.

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#6 · Nov 2, 11:36 AM
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If he's healthy and ready why would they hold him out? Only so many games left and he's missed enough of them already. Play the man.

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@"suncoastvike" said: If he's healthy and ready why would they hold him out? Only so many games left and he's missed enough of them already. Play the man.
If he's healthy and ready, why limit him? Because he hasn't proven himself 100% healthy and ready. For me, it's just playing the odds. With hammies, the more time, the lower the odds of aggravating it. No, I sit him through the bye.
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#8 · Nov 2, 12:17 PM
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Man has to earn his pay - let him play if Cook and the team feel he's ready. 

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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"suncoastvike" said: If he's healthy and ready why would they hold him out? Only so many games left and he's missed enough of them already. Play the man.
If he's healthy and ready, why limit him? Because he hasn't proven himself 100% healthy and ready. For me, it's just playing the odds. With hammies, the more time, the lower the odds of aggravating it. No, I sit him through the bye.
what comes first... the chicken or the egg?   how does he prove himself ready if he doesnt get to play?    I understand the feeling of sitting him,  but if they want to ease him back in maybe getting a few carries this week and then some time to rest and evaluate would be better than just another week of rest and then perhaps needing him in a bigger role after the bye week?  
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#10 · Nov 2, 12:30 PM
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Even when he's played he's been a non factor this year.  I'm not sure what yall are arguing about?  Boone and Thomas can just as easily get his 30 yards on 10 carries. 

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As a vike fan im thinking the worst like it needs surgery and they are just trying to get whatever they can until next year anybody have a @&$! Eeyore pic they can post cause thats about how i feel. 

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@"AGRforever" said: Even when he's played he's been a non factor this year.  I'm not sure what yall are arguing about?  Boone and Thomas can just as easily get his 30 yards on 10 carries. 


kind of harsh considering what he was doing healthy a year ago.  pretty much no preseason and then getting dinged early on... hard to gauge his worth on this years performance alone.

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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"suncoastvike" said: If he's healthy and ready why would they hold him out? Only so many games left and he's missed enough of them already. Play the man.
If he's healthy and ready, why limit him? Because he hasn't proven himself 100% healthy and ready. For me, it's just playing the odds. With hammies, the more time, the lower the odds of aggravating it. No, I sit him through the bye.

I agree.  If he's healthy, play him.  This "pitch count" crap is annoying.  He could aggravate it on the first carry just as much as the 25th.  But why monkey with it.  Sit him down.
PS...and my frustration is NOT just because I have him on my fantasy team and have only got 1 and 1/3 games out of him whereas I could have accepted the trade offer I received for Conner in week one.  Bitter?  Naah...  Angry?  No way.  Pissed beyond all belief??? BINGO! :#

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@"Ralphie" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"suncoastvike" said: If he's healthy and ready why would they hold him out? Only so many games left and he's missed enough of them already. Play the man.
If he's healthy and ready, why limit him? Because he hasn't proven himself 100% healthy and ready. For me, it's just playing the odds. With hammies, the more time, the lower the odds of aggravating it. No, I sit him through the bye.

I agree.  If he's healthy, play him.  This "pitch count" crap is annoying.  He could aggravate it on the first carry just as much as the 25th.  But why monkey with it.  Sit him down.
PS...and my frustration is NOT just because I have him on my fantasy team and have only got 1 and 1/3 games out of him whereas I could have accepted the trade offer I received for Conner in week one.  Bitter?  Naah...  Angry?  No way.  Pissed beyond all belief??? BINGO! :#



you do the limited return so you can gage its fitness,  it might not be an issue after a short workout,  but getting into a live action situation might give a different result so instead of running him hard and having it get tight and reinjured,  ease him back into the mix so you have a better chance of finding out it isnt quite ready to go yet instead of a complete set back.

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For me, it’s one of those things I just want to be
conservative with.  I don’t want to see
him out there at 80% limping along and reinjure it and be out most of the
season.  If he feels good to go and there’s
little chance of reinjury, I’d start Murray and give Cook 10-15ish snaps and if
all is well, let him start after the bye and give him 50-60% of the snaps.

I just don’t have any faith in our coaching staff being able
to put him on a pitch count.  I think if
they think he’s good enough to get some playing time, they’ll put him in and
run him until he breaks down.

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@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"Ralphie" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"suncoastvike" said: If he's healthy and ready why would they hold him out? Only so many games left and he's missed enough of them already. Play the man.
If he's healthy and ready, why limit him? Because he hasn't proven himself 100% healthy and ready. For me, it's just playing the odds. With hammies, the more time, the lower the odds of aggravating it. No, I sit him through the bye.

I agree.  If he's healthy, play him.  This "pitch count" crap is annoying.  He could aggravate it on the first carry just as much as the 25th.  But why monkey with it.  Sit him down.
PS...and my frustration is NOT just because I have him on my fantasy team and have only got 1 and 1/3 games out of him whereas I could have accepted the trade offer I received for Conner in week one.  Bitter?  Naah...  Angry?  No way.  Pissed beyond all belief??? BINGO! :#



you do the limited return so you can gage its fitness,  it might not be an issue after a short workout,  but getting into a live action situation might give a different result so instead of running him hard and having it get tight and reinjured,  ease him back into the mix so you have a better chance of finding out it isnt quite ready to go yet instead of a complete set back.


I agree you get him back in the mix. From what I've seen lately he's not the starter again anyhow. He gets 2nd snaps till he proves he gives us a better chance now. We've been riding Murray since week 4 of last season. Cooks should get back in there but not as the every down back regardless. He hasn't taken it yet from Murray and that's where I stand on it.

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@"Ralphie" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"suncoastvike" said: If he's healthy and ready why would they hold him out? Only so many games left and he's missed enough of them already. Play the man.
If he's healthy and ready, why limit him? Because he hasn't proven himself 100% healthy and ready. For me, it's just playing the odds. With hammies, the more time, the lower the odds of aggravating it. No, I sit him through the bye.

I agree.  If he's healthy, play him.  This "pitch count" crap is annoying.  He could aggravate it on the first carry just as much as the 25th.  But why monkey with it.  Sit him down.
PS...and my frustration is NOT just because I have him on my fantasy team and have only got 1 and 1/3 games out of him whereas I could have accepted the trade offer I received for Conner in week one.  Bitter?  Naah...  Angry?  No way.  Pissed beyond all belief??? BINGO! :#



Ha! Wow. I'm lucky. Yes, I have Dalvin, but I also have Conner and Gordon. As a Cook owner (and more importantly, as a Vikings fan), I just want to know he'll be there for the playoffs. If Bell stays away, and it's looking more and more like he will, that's going to be a helluva 1, 2, 3 punch. 

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@"medaille" said: For me, it’s one of those things I just want to be conservative with.  I don’t want to see him out there at 80% limping along and reinjure it and be out most of the season.  If he feels good to go and there’s little chance of reinjury, I’d start Murray and give Cook 10-15ish snaps and if all is well, let him start after the bye and give him 50-60% of the snaps.

I just don’t have any faith in our coaching staff being able
to put him on a pitch count.  I think if
they think he’s good enough to get some playing time, they’ll put him in and
run him until he breaks down.


This is my biggest issue. 

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Straight up dumb

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@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"AGRforever" said: Even when he's played he's been a non factor this year.  I'm not sure what yall are arguing about?  Boone and Thomas can just as easily get his 30 yards on 10 carries. 


kind of harsh considering what he was doing healthy a year ago.  pretty much no preseason and then getting dinged early on... hard to gauge his worth on this years performance alone.


I dont disagree but as far as this year goes I dont think hes going to blow up and get 200 yards from scrimage any time soon

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