Not A Fan Of Flip

I am more concerned about Zimmer than I am about Flip. I think there is little chance that the game has passed Flip by.  I am not so sure I can say that about Zimmer.  He is a very good defensive coach, but at bottom he is an old school coach.  He is Bill Parcells. Let's run the ball, punt it away on 4th, focus on field position, limit turnovers, play good defense, kick your field goal, and force the opponent to beat your defense on the last drive.  (I know I am overstating the case.  Going for it on 4th down yesterday was awesome, but it is not what you would normally expect from Zimmer.)
Zimmer's style is not where the game is today.  It's not how the Rams (McVay) or KC (Reid) or the Saints (Payton) or NE do it.  It's not how the Eagles did it last year.  Football is innovated at the college level. And the NFL game is looking more and more like the college game. Zimmer is mostly not interested in that.  I think Zimmer will always have a good, solid team. They will always be competitive and usually make the playoffs. But to win it all, he needs a talent discrepancy like only Alabama enjoys. He will never have that in the NFL.
He wants to run the ball to control the clock. But if teams know you are going to run, you probably will not be successful running the ball.  Three and out does not eat a lot of clock. Drives eat clock - whether that is done by passing or running. If you try to sit on leads you are likely to lose a game you should win. Giving opposing QBs opportunities to score will eventually result in them scoring. It's just how the NFL is today.
Zimmer is naturally conservative. But conservative play does not win championships anymore . . . unless you are Alabama.

“ Everyone at the bar kept seeing it “

well a room full of drunks always have a bettter perspective 

@"Maple Surple" said: “ Everyone at the bar kept seeing it “

well a room full of drunks always have a bettter perspective 

@"Maple Surple" said: “ Everyone at the bar kept seeing it “

well a room full of drunks always have a bettter perspective 

@"StickyBun" said:

LOL, yep. Its a true fan-think comment. The idea that fans are seeing something unique or insightful that coaches AREN'T seeing from watching the game at the sports bar is hilarious. 

we scored 37 points on the road in a swirling wind.  Yeah, our offense sucks. 

Sorry, but it gets old.  We run to much on first down.  Now we throw too much.  We can run the ball, why do we keep running it.  Zimmer is to old and stuck in his ways.  We will never win with him.

We scored 37 points.  Won on the road where we had never won before.  The D played well without Joseph, EG, and Rhodes and Barr at the end.  We are leading our division, the offense is piling up points and the D is holding its own in a year of offensive outbursts.  Our coach is consistent, thoughtful, respected and has the team always playing at a top level.

Did I miss anything?

@"greediron" said: we scored 37 points on the road in a swirling wind.  Yeah, our offense sucks. 

Sorry, but it gets old.  We run to much on first down.  Now we throw too much.  We can run the ball, why do we keep running it.  Zimmer is to old and stuck in his ways.  We will never win with him.

We scored 37 points.  Won on the road where we had never won before.  The D played well without Joseph, EG, and Rhodes and Barr at the end.  We are leading our division, the offense is piling up points and the D is holding its own in a year of offensive outbursts.  Our coach is consistent, thoughtful, respected and has the team always playing at a top level.

Did I miss anything?

@"StickyBun" said:

@"greediron" said: we scored 37 points on the road in a swirling wind.  Yeah, our offense sucks. 

Sorry, but it gets old.  We run to much on first down.  Now we throw too much.  We can run the ball, why do we keep running it.  Zimmer is to old and stuck in his ways.  We will never win with him.

We scored 37 points.  Won on the road where we had never won before.  The D played well without Joseph, EG, and Rhodes and Barr at the end.  We are leading our division, the offense is piling up points and the D is holding its own in a year of offensive outbursts.  Our coach is consistent, thoughtful, respected and has the team always playing at a top level.

Did I miss anything?

Right on. Sometimes as fans we need to check ourselves a bit, our knee jerk, too close to the trees micromanaging of a game. Road games are hard to win in the NFL. It seems like sometimes there is more complaining over a win than a loss on this board. Listen, I have my share of direct opinions some might say slant 'negative' , but not after wins on the road. 

J.C. guys!  All I did was f'n comment on the frustration of watching them repeatedly try something that wasn't working which culminated in poor possession results, which was on topic with the thread.  I'm not pissed about the game or the outcome obviously - just that I wished they'd tried fewer of those particular plays.

I don't believe I'm known to really complain about anything much regarding the team... 

@"CLOBIMON" said: J.C. guys!  All I did was f'n comment on the frustration of watching them repeatedly try something that wasn't working which culminated in poor possession results, which was on topic with the thread.  I'm not pissed about the game or the outcome obviously - just that I wished they'd tried fewer of those particular plays. 

Not trying to pick on you, Clob. Sorry if it came across that way!

@"CLOBIMON" said: J.C. guys!  All I did was f'n comment on the frustration of watching them repeatedly try something that wasn't working which culminated in poor possession results, which was on topic with the thread.  I'm not pissed about the game or the outcome obviously - just that I wished they'd tried fewer of those particular plays.

I don't believe I'm known to really complain about anything much regarding the team... 

@"CLOBIMON" said: J.C. guys!  All I did was f'n comment on the frustration of watching them repeatedly try something that wasn't working which culminated in poor possession results, which was on topic with the thread.  I'm not pissed about the game or the outcome obviously - just that I wished they'd tried fewer of those particular plays.

I don't believe I'm known to really complain about anything much regarding the team... 

Did you read the OP? I believe I was speaking in general, not specifically only to this game.

Addressing this game specifically,I think that 37 points had a lot to do with four turnovers, and good field position via some decent returns. We certainly weren't sustaining anything on third down.

Regardless, there is no flow, continuity, identity to this O. The run game was successful the first series, then an afterthought. We are paying Diggs to do what? And that God damn backwards pass has got to go. First and goal from the 3, into the wind, and you don't run once? Again, I see no creativity, no maximization of the talent other than AT19. But that's just my opinion...

Yes we struggle to run the ball, so we use short passes to supplement the run.  Cousins is lighting up the stats.  Diggs was in the top 10 for WRs not that long ago.  I see plenty of creativity and Cousins is finding the open guy.  It was a bit rough yesterday, but with Elf and Remmers the only starting O-line in their original spots, we still kept Cousins pretty clean and scored.

Just my opinion, but I think our offense is finding new ways to move the ball each week and the D is coming around.  If there was a unit that struggled, it was kick coverage.

@"CLOBIMON" said: J.C. guys!  All I did was f'n comment on the frustration of watching them repeatedly try something that wasn't working which culminated in poor possession results, which was on topic with the thread.  I'm not pissed about the game or the outcome obviously - just that I wished they'd tried fewer of those particular plays.

I don't believe I'm known to really complain about anything much regarding the team... 

gotcha Clob, i just think its still a work in progress & i trust they are doing things for a reason

@"ATXVIKE" said: No shit when a fairly knowledgeable fan remarks/complains regarding multiple STUPID play calls give him a break. Yeah we won and actually are way better then the Jets. But damn those dump passes to #14 are just pathetic. I'm not a coach but those were shit plays!

@"Ralphie" said:

@"ATXVIKE" said: No shit when a fairly knowledgeable fan remarks/complains regarding multiple STUPID play calls give him a break. Yeah we won and actually are way better then the Jets. But damn those dump passes to #14 are just pathetic. I'm not a coach but those were shit plays!

Amen, brother!  Diggs is a thoroughbred that is being treated lately like a gimmick player.  He's not Cordarrelle Patterson.

Cousins will continue to air it out to Diggs...maybe with better results against the Saints...it's happened before.

You won't keep Diggs down. He's too good. I do wonder how he'll react mood-wise if he continues to play second fiddle to Thielen in such a big way.

@"StickyBun" said: You won't keep Diggs down. He's too good. I do wonder how he'll react mood-wise if he continues to play second fiddle to Thielen in such a big way.

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said: You won't keep Diggs down. He's too good. I do wonder how he'll react mood-wise if he continues to play second fiddle to Thielen in such a big way.

He seems to be handling it much better than other diva WRs, but yes it is a concern.  Like I have said in other threads, Flip was trying to keep him involved.