Case Keenum is who Zimmer and Vikes's brass thought he was....

I loved Case and the passion and joy he brought to the team. They were a bunch of kids having fun on the playground. If Zimmer was so right about anything it sure wasn't how to stop teams from scoring on him. He's been plenty wrong to. That said I'm happy with Kirk. Even if I miss the duck, duck goose. There's not much joy this year.
Thanks for the fun Case. Sorry things aren't working out for you. Hey at least your not Sam.

@"suncoastvike" said: I loved Case and the passion and joy he brought to the team. They were a bunch of kids having fun on the playground. If Zimmer was so right about anything it sure wasn't how to stop teams from scoring on him. He's been plenty wrong to. 

Yeah, he has been wrong but this is different: the team went 13-3 and Keenum played very well. They went to the NFCC game. Yet when it came time to sign him up, the team passed. That got a lot of outside scrutiny and they faded heat for it as an organization. Some pundits railed against it, etc. Yet they held firm after giving it a ton of review, I'm sure. And they were absolutely correct.

So if you want to be mad at Zimmer because the D has shit the bed so far, that's cool. But last year under Keenum was not sustainable, it wouldn't have been replicated and Zimmer and Viking's brass knew it. It was a bold move regardless. Some fans in this forum were pissed and being fans, they got attached to Keenum and the Cinderella story. The prudent move was to wish him well and let him go elsewhere and that's exactly what happened. Full credit to the Vikings for doing so.

love Case. Did a great job. But if this defense was half as good as last year’s, we are at least 3-1 and super pscyhed about what Kirk is going to be. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"suncoastvike" said: I loved Case and the passion and joy he brought to the team. They were a bunch of kids having fun on the playground. If Zimmer was so right about anything it sure wasn't how to stop teams from scoring on him. He's been plenty wrong to. 

Yeah, he has been wrong but this is different: the team went 13-3 and Keenum played very well. They went to the NFCC game. Yet when it came time to sign him up, the team passed. That got a lot of outside scrutiny and they faded heat for it as an organization. Some pundits railed against it, etc. Yet they held firm after giving it a ton of review, I'm sure. And they were absolutely correct.

So if you want to be mad at Zimmer because the D has shit the bed so far, that's cool. But last year under Keenum was not sustainable, it wouldn't have been replicated and Zimmer and Viking's brass knew it. It was a bold move regardless. Some fans in this forum were pissed and being fans, they got attached to Keenum and the Cinderella story. The prudent move was to wish him well and let him go elsewhere and that's exactly what happened. Full credit to the Vikings for doing so.

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"suncoastvike" said: I loved Case and the passion and joy he brought to the team. They were a bunch of kids having fun on the playground. If Zimmer was so right about anything it sure wasn't how to stop teams from scoring on him. He's been plenty wrong to. 

Yeah, he has been wrong but this is different: the team went 13-3 and Keenum played very well. They went to the NFCC game. Yet when it came time to sign him up, the team passed. That got a lot of outside scrutiny and they faded heat for it as an organization. Some pundits railed against it, etc. Yet they held firm after giving it a ton of review, I'm sure. And they were absolutely correct.

So if you want to be mad at Zimmer because the D has shit the bed so far, that's cool. But last year under Keenum was not sustainable, it wouldn't have been replicated and Zimmer and Viking's brass knew it. It was a bold move regardless. Some fans in this forum were pissed and being fans, they got attached to Keenum and the Cinderella story. The prudent move was to wish him well and let him go elsewhere and that's exactly what happened. Full credit to the Vikings for doing so.

Why did you only quote part of me? I did say I'm happy with the Kirk decision. I was only pointing out there's no magic this year. Case for all his flaws was a big part of that magic. I know it was not going to work long term. Nothing is working this year but Kirk. It's not fun. I'm just thinking of happier days not so long ago.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"suncoastvike" said: I loved Case and the passion and joy he brought to the team. They were a bunch of kids having fun on the playground. If Zimmer was so right about anything it sure wasn't how to stop teams from scoring on him. He's been plenty wrong to. 

Yeah, he has been wrong but this is different: the team went 13-3 and Keenum played very well. They went to the NFCC game. Yet when it came time to sign him up, the team passed. That got a lot of outside scrutiny and they faded heat for it as an organization. Some pundits railed against it, etc. Yet they held firm after giving it a ton of review, I'm sure. And they were absolutely correct.

So if you want to be mad at Zimmer because the D has shit the bed so far, that's cool. But last year under Keenum was not sustainable, it wouldn't have been replicated and Zimmer and Viking's brass knew it. It was a bold move regardless. Some fans in this forum were pissed and being fans, they got attached to Keenum and the Cinderella story. The prudent move was to wish him well and let him go elsewhere and that's exactly what happened. Full credit to the Vikings for doing so.

Why did you only quote part of me? I did say I'm happy with the Kirk decision. I was only pointing out there's no magic this year. Case for all his flaws was a big part of that magic. I know it was not going to work long term. Nothing is working this year but Kirk. It's not fun. I'm just thinking of happier days not so long ago.

I just quoted the part I disagreed with. The lack of magic this year has nothing to do with Kirk Cousins, that's my only point. They caught lightning in a bottle last year with Keenum, but ultimately got waxed against the Eagles. I take last year for what it was, a moment in time that I'll always love and appreciate, but letting Keenum go has nothing to do with the current team's issues. And my point was they were right to let him go. That's it really. 

I do miss the way Case can excape poor pass protection and make plays.  Cousins is a way better "pure" passer, but doesn't move anywhere near as well as Case.  Kirk hasn't consistently shown the ability to "step-up" to avoid outside pressure like Case can.  At times, I think Kirk actually looks awkward trying to avoid pressure.

While I agree Kirk is better than all three options on the team last year, I'm more than skeptical he's the "franchise QB" we've all been waiting for.  His fumbling is a real problem (35 since 2015), and he hasn't won me over yet as the new "face of the Vikings".  There's room for improvement for Kirk, and I hope he can continue to get better.

If we could combine the way Case moves around with Cousins throwing ability, then I believe we'd really have something.  B)

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"suncoastvike" said: I loved Case and the passion and joy he brought to the team. They were a bunch of kids having fun on the playground. If Zimmer was so right about anything it sure wasn't how to stop teams from scoring on him. He's been plenty wrong to. 

Yeah, he has been wrong but this is different: the team went 13-3 and Keenum played very well. They went to the NFCC game. Yet when it came time to sign him up, the team passed. That got a lot of outside scrutiny and they faded heat for it as an organization. Some pundits railed against it, etc. Yet they held firm after giving it a ton of review, I'm sure. And they were absolutely correct.

So if you want to be mad at Zimmer because the D has shit the bed so far, that's cool. But last year under Keenum was not sustainable, it wouldn't have been replicated and Zimmer and Viking's brass knew it. It was a bold move regardless. Some fans in this forum were pissed and being fans, they got attached to Keenum and the Cinderella story. The prudent move was to wish him well and let him go elsewhere and that's exactly what happened. Full credit to the Vikings for doing so.

Why did you only quote part of me? I did say I'm happy with the Kirk decision. I was only pointing out there's no magic this year. Case for all his flaws was a big part of that magic. I know it was not going to work long term. Nothing is working this year but Kirk. It's not fun. I'm just thinking of happier days not so long ago.

I loved Case and hated to see him go.  Case is the prototypical "overachiever".  A smart, hardworking guy who set major college records and has everything you'd want in a team mate.  Just not "the arm".
If we had the Cowboys O line of the 90's, our current receivers and RB's would be almost impossible to stop even with Case.  Kirk can overcome a lot of flaws in this O.  Case couldn't.

I'm old school, was hoping they would reward Case and had kept him around.  Glad we got Kirk, damn happy he's one of ours.  Probably good I am not a GM, I wouldn't make the same decisions.  Also why I am so disappointed with how BRob has been treated, it just feels wrong to me, just a real WTF reaction every time I think about it 

The Broncos offense has more points scored (84 against teams with a combined 10-6 record) than the Vikings offense (83 against teams with a combined 8-7-1 record).

The 2017 Vikings offense scored 79 through the first 4 games.

@"silverjoel" said: The Broncos offense has more points scored (84 against teams with a combined 10-6 record) than the Vikings offense (83 against teams with a combined 8-7-1 record).

The 2017 Vikings offense scored 79 through the first 4 games.

Cousins has 10 TD passes. Keenum has 3....and hasn't thrown a TD in his last 3 games. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"silverjoel" said: The Broncos offense has more points scored (84 against teams with a combined 10-6 record) than the Vikings offense (83 against teams with a combined 8-7-1 record).

The 2017 Vikings offense scored 79 through the first 4 games.

Cousins has 10 TD passes. Keenum has 3....and hasn't thrown a TD in his last 3 games. 

@"silverjoel" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"silverjoel" said: The Broncos offense has more points scored (84 against teams with a combined 10-6 record) than the Vikings offense (83 against teams with a combined 8-7-1 record).

The 2017 Vikings offense scored 79 through the first 4 games.

Cousins has 10 TD passes. Keenum has 3....and hasn't thrown a TD in his last 3 games. 

I forgot that passing TDs are worth more than rushing TDs.  Somehow, an 80 yard drive with 40 yards passing and 40 yards rushing is only good if it ends in a passing TD.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"silverjoel" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"silverjoel" said: The Broncos offense has more points scored (84 against teams with a combined 10-6 record) than the Vikings offense (83 against teams with a combined 8-7-1 record).

The 2017 Vikings offense scored 79 through the first 4 games.

Cousins has 10 TD passes. Keenum has 3....and hasn't thrown a TD in his last 3 games. 

I forgot that passing TDs are worth more than rushing TDs.  Somehow, an 80 yard drive with 40 yards passing and 40 yards rushing is only good if it ends in a passing TD.

Cousins has a QB rating of 103.6, Keenum's is 72.1. 

To anyone not pushing some kind of agenda, its painfully obvious who is playing better thus far. Only on a message board is this not abundantly clear. Not even sure how this can be a debate.

@"silverjoel" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"silverjoel" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"silverjoel" said: The Broncos offense has more points scored (84 against teams with a combined 10-6 record) than the Vikings offense (83 against teams with a combined 8-7-1 record).

The 2017 Vikings offense scored 79 through the first 4 games.

Cousins has 10 TD passes. Keenum has 3....and hasn't thrown a TD in his last 3 games. 

I forgot that passing TDs are worth more than rushing TDs.  Somehow, an 80 yard drive with 40 yards passing and 40 yards rushing is only good if it ends in a passing TD.

Cousins has a QB rating of 103.6, Keenum's is 72.1. 

To anyone not pushing some kind of agenda, its painfully obvious who is playing better thus far. Only on a message board is this not abundantly clear. Not even sure how this can be a debate.

Denver's offense has scored more points.  How is that an agenda?  It's a team game, isn't that what's always said if someone wants to discredit a particular player?  Now you get your QB stats, so let's discredit the team.

Yeah, I get it.  This Vikings team is letting Bradford Cousins down.  What more is Bradford Cousins supposed to do?  I already had this conversation with you two years ago.. Best Vikings QB since Favre.  You wanted QB stats, you got them.  You never looked at what throwing 50 times a game did to the rest of the team and the affect it had on actually winning games.

@"HappyViking" said: I do miss the way Case can excape poor pass protection and make plays.  Cousins is a way better "pure" passer, but doesn't move anywhere near as well as Case.  Kirk hasn't consistently shown the ability to "step-up" to avoid outside pressure like Case can.  At times, I think Kirk actually looks awkward trying to avoid pressure.

While I agree Kirk is better than all three options on the team last year, I'm more than skeptical he's the "franchise QB" we've all been waiting for.  His fumbling is a real problem (35 since 2015), and he hasn't won me over yet as the new "face of the Vikings".  There's room for improvement for Kirk, and I hope he can continue to get better.

If we could combine the way Case moves around with Cousins throwing ability, then I believe we'd really have something.  B)

Cousins has shown fine running ability and escapes from pressure often. He isn't a running QB, but Keenum is hardly Michael Vick either. We don't need to combine Cousins with any aspect of Keenum's game; Kirk is already something special.

@"suncoastvike" said:
I loved Case and the passion and joy he brought to the team. They were a bunch of kids having fun on the playground. If Zimmer was so right about anything it sure wasn't how to stop teams from scoring on him. He's been plenty wrong to. That said I'm happy with Kirk. Even if I miss the duck, duck goose. There's not much joy this year.
Thanks for the fun Case. Sorry things aren't working out for you. Hey at least your not Sam.

If players were doing duck, duck whatever or showing "joy" while we were losing, half this board would be screaming that they were out of line for it. I don't believe the 2017 Vikings were winning because they were having fun - they were having fun because they were winning.

@"Jor-El" said:

 I don't believe the 2017 Vikings were winning because they were having fun - they were having fun because they were winning. 

Love 2017 Case, but he truly caught lightning in a bottle, played with the #1 defense.  Never had to really go to to toe in any shootouts and put up big points.  Nice guy, but Cousins is a clear upgrade.  

@"Jor-El" said:

Cousins has shown fine running ability and escapes from pressure often. He isn't a running QB, but Keenum is hardly Michael Vick either. We don't need to combine Cousins with any aspect of Keenum's game; Kirk is already something special.